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GotFingNoDukes

Footballguy
Great game today. Heartbreak for me but the Panthers played great. A couple of plays the other way and who knows what the outcome would be. Good luck against Seattle. Better watch your ### next year though.

 

ditka311

Footballguy
Yeah, I agree. Congrats to the Panthers. I am so disappointed in the Bears right now but credit is due to the Panthers.

 

Carter_Can_Fly

Footballguy
Yeah, I agree. Congrats to the Panthers. I am so disappointed in the Bears right now but credit is due to the Panthers.
Would you agree with me that we were outcoached just a bit today?
Chicago's coaching staff did as much as it could have done. It was up to the players to do the rest.Give Chicago a solid QB or an improved O-line and they win that game.
Or maybe the defense could take note of a guy named S. Smith. You can't put all the blame on the offense for this one. I was actually impressed with Rex today. I think this kid can be a real nice player. Remember this was only his 9th game started ever and I think he handeled the pressure ok for the most part.
 

gman8343

What would Lemmy do?
Grossman looked pretty good after the butterflies wore off. I'd be optimistic if I were a Bears fan.The defense got absolutely lit up though, proving they're not an elite unit and probably benefited from playing in the worst division in the poorer conference.

 

Your Mom

Footballguy
Yeah, I agree. Congrats to the Panthers. I am so disappointed in the Bears right now but credit is due to the Panthers.
Would you agree with me that we were outcoached just a bit today?
Chicago's coaching staff did as much as it could have done. It was up to the players to do the rest.Give Chicago a solid QB or an improved O-line and they win that game.
This just shows that people dont understand football. Rex didn't play great but the defense played like complete crap. The #1 goal should have been to shut down Steve smith. Tillman can't cover him 1 on 1 and they tried that. Then they put Thompson on him. The coaches got OUT COACHED. They should have double covered Smith all game. Deshaun Foster is a chicken chit. he got hurt again. The bears got out coached and the defense played like ####. The bears put 21 pts on the board. Grossman did what he could. By NO MEANS is the game on grossman's shoulders. The O-line didn't play very good, but the defense was supposed to be dominant. They sucked. Congrats carolina.
 

ditka311

Footballguy
Yeah, I agree. Congrats to the Panthers. I am so disappointed in the Bears right now but credit is due to the Panthers.
Would you agree with me that we were outcoached just a bit today?
That depends. The D did not adapt to what Carolina was doing at all. Lining up rookie CB's/Charles Tillman vs Steve Smith was just plain dumb. Tillman got lit up all day. Carolina knew it and kept going that way. Also, WR's were continuously open across the middle underneath all game long. I really thought Lovie's talk to the D would have woken them up. No dice. They continued to make the same mistakes over and over. So, you could say the coaches didn't adapt to what Carolina was doing or the players just weren't holding up their end of the bargain. For all of the sh#t they talked, they sure didn't back it up.

 

Bears_Man2

Footballguy
Yeah, I agree. Congrats to the Panthers. I am so disappointed in the Bears right now but credit is due to the Panthers.
Would you agree with me that we were outcoached just a bit today?
Chicago's coaching staff did as much as it could have done. It was up to the players to do the rest.Give Chicago a solid QB or an improved O-line and they win that game.
Or maybe the defense could take note of a guy named S. Smith. You can't put all the blame on the offense for this one. I was actually impressed with Rex today. I think this kid can be a real nice player. Remember this was only his 9th game started ever and I think he handeled the pressure ok for the most part.
I blame Ron Rivera and the secondary (to a lesser extent) for this one. The defensive gameplan sucked. Tillman is too slow to contain any #1 WR in the league (let alone THE current #1 WR in the league in Steve Smith). Whatever slim shot Rivera had of getting a HC job this offseason (which I don't think he's qualified for yet) is down the toilet.Grossman looked decent. No worse than what the Bears have gotten from the QB position this year. Some bad decisions here and there, but he'll live and learn from them. The upgrade isn't needed at QB, but at......

WR: Other than Berrian (who I will apologize for saying previously he didn't have the nuts to go across the middle), they've got two plodding WR's in Gage and Moose. I hope to hell they either find a speedy WR this offseason and/or Berrian continues to improve and Bradley has a speedy ACL recovery.

TE: Today's TD aside, the Bears need to move away from the whole Desmond Clark experiment. They should be in position to take one of the better TE's in the draft. After seeing the solid impact Heath Miller's had with Pitt, I'd make it a priority.

CB: As a unit, they aren't that bad. Just lacking a shutdown corner (which how many of them are their really around the league?).

 
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Your Mom

Footballguy
Yeah, I agree. Congrats to the Panthers. I am so disappointed in the Bears right now but credit is due to the Panthers.
Would you agree with me that we were outcoached just a bit today?
Chicago's coaching staff did as much as it could have done. It was up to the players to do the rest.Give Chicago a solid QB or an improved O-line and they win that game.
Or maybe the defense could take note of a guy named S. Smith. You can't put all the blame on the offense for this one. I was actually impressed with Rex today. I think this kid can be a real nice player. Remember this was only his 9th game started ever and I think he handeled the pressure ok for the most part.
I blame Ron Rivera and the secondary (to a lesser extent) for this one. The defensive gameplan sucked. Tillman is too slow to contain any #1 WR in the league (let alone THE current #1 WR in the league in Steve Smith). Whatever slim shot Rivera had of getting a HC job this offseason (which I don't think he's qualified for yet) is down the toilet.Grossman looked decent. No worse than what the Bears have gotten from the QB position this year. Some bad decisions here and there, but he'll live and learn from them. The upgrade isn't needed at QB, but at......

WR: Other than Berrian (who I will apologize for saying previously he didn't have the nuts to go across the middle), they've got two plodding WR's in Gage and Moose. I hope to hell they either find a speedy WR this offseason and/or Berrian continues to improve and Bradley has a speedy ACL recovery.

TE: Today's TD aside, the Bears need to move away from the whole Desmond Clark experiment. They should be in position to take one of the better TE's in the draft. After seeing the solid impact Heath Miller's had with Pitt, I'd make it a priority.

CB: As a unit, they aren't that bad. Just lacking a shutdown corner (which how many of them are their really around the league?).
This was a great post. I think the exact same way. Berrian played a great game. moose and Gage play way too much. I cant say anymore. this guy summed it up for me.
 

ditka311

Footballguy
Yeah, I agree. Congrats to the Panthers. I am so disappointed in the Bears right now but credit is due to the Panthers.
Would you agree with me that we were outcoached just a bit today?
Chicago's coaching staff did as much as it could have done. It was up to the players to do the rest.Give Chicago a solid QB or an improved O-line and they win that game.
The only part I agree with is the part you said about the players doing the rest. They flat out didn't. The line was fine but Carolina was bringing the house in the first half. There just werent enough blockers and a lot of guys came through without a touch. What made it worse was that T. Jones would be in the flat for a screen so there was no backfield help. When Grossman did have time to throw, he made just about all of them. The Bears' WR's (besides Berrian) basically suck. Muhammad is the most overpaid possession WR in the league and he has questionable hands.

That being said, they could use O Line help. I mean, besides a few teams whose lines can't? They also need a TE who can catch and maybe even decide to use the TE.

 

flooredyas

Footballguy
Yeah, I agree. Congrats to the Panthers. I am so disappointed in the Bears right now but credit is due to the Panthers.
Would you agree with me that we were outcoached just a bit today?
Chicago's coaching staff did as much as it could have done. It was up to the players to do the rest.Give Chicago a solid QB or an improved O-line and they win that game.
Or maybe the defense could take note of a guy named S. Smith. You can't put all the blame on the offense for this one. I was actually impressed with Rex today. I think this kid can be a real nice player. Remember this was only his 9th game started ever and I think he handeled the pressure ok for the most part.
I blame Ron Rivera and the secondary (to a lesser extent) for this one. The defensive gameplan sucked. Tillman is too slow to contain any #1 WR in the league (let alone THE current #1 WR in the league in Steve Smith). Whatever slim shot Rivera had of getting a HC job this offseason (which I don't think he's qualified for yet) is down the toilet.Grossman looked decent. No worse than what the Bears have gotten from the QB position this year. Some bad decisions here and there, but he'll live and learn from them. The upgrade isn't needed at QB, but at......

WR: Other than Berrian (who I will apologize for saying previously he didn't have the nuts to go across the middle), they've got two plodding WR's in Gage and Moose. I hope to hell they either find a speedy WR this offseason and/or Berrian continues to improve and Bradley has a speedy ACL recovery.

TE: Today's TD aside, the Bears need to move away from the whole Desmond Clark experiment. They should be in position to take one of the better TE's in the draft. After seeing the solid impact Heath Miller's had with Pitt, I'd make it a priority.

CB: As a unit, they aren't that bad. Just lacking a shutdown corner (which how many of them are their really around the league?).
:goodposting: At least I can go into the off-season feeling at peace with Rex at QB. After his shaky start, from the mid 2nd quarter on he played as I would expect. Next year, given some tweaking we will be back-stronger. Congrats Panther fans.

 

simey

Footballguy
Deshaun Foster is a chicken chit. he got hurt again.
Several players in the NFL have broken ankles or legs getting tackled like Foster did. I don't really understand how that makes DeShaun a chicken chit. Anyway, that was a entertaining and close game. I'm glad the Panthers won, but I sure was getting worried there in the second half with the Bears offense really getting into a groove. I wasn't expecting the game to turn into an offensive affair like it did. The Bears have had a great season, and have a great foundation to build on now. Maybe the Cats and Bears will meet again next year for a rematch!! :boxing:
 

BassNBrew

IBL Representative
Muhammad is the most overpaid possession WR in the league and he has questionable hands.
I hate to say I told you so...well actually that wouldn't be true. Letting Muhammad walk was a solid decision by the Panthers. Not a huge mistake for the Bears as they're loaded with young talent with small cap numbers.Grossman impressed me today.
 

Bears_Man2

Footballguy
Yeah, I agree. Congrats to the Panthers. I am so disappointed in the Bears right now but credit is due to the Panthers.
Would you agree with me that we were outcoached just a bit today?
Chicago's coaching staff did as much as it could have done. It was up to the players to do the rest.Give Chicago a solid QB or an improved O-line and they win that game.
Muhammad is the most overpaid possession WR in the league and he has questionable hands.
I agree. What's worse is to watch him ##### at Orton/Grossman (more so with Orton) when he's not getting the ball. Then when he gets one, he drops it. He doesn't get open enough plan and simple.Perhaps there's a stat somewhere, I'd be shocked if he wasn't the league leader in drops and/or lowest target-to-catch ratio. He's Keyshawn Johnson playing #1 WR. IMO Moose doesn't have but a year or two left in the league.

Edit: I hate even calling him by his nickname "Moose". As I think you've actually got to be good to have a nickname. If I could consistently spell Muhammed right, I'd probably call him that.

It'd be like calling Anthony Thomas the A-train now.....now that's he's barely hanging on in the league.

 
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DPRugby

knucklehead
Two fallen DBs and Tillmen getting toasted all day spelt doom for the Bears. Carolina did exactly what they needed to do to win, and I hope they do well in Seattle.

 

ditka311

Footballguy
Two fallen DBs and Tillmen getting toasted all day spelt doom for the Bears. Carolina did exactly what they needed to do to win, and I hope they do well in Seattle.
The fallen DB's shouldn't have been a problem. They did pretty good without Brown before that. He obviously wasn't healthy. Also, Azumah hasn't been healthy all year long. I don't know that for a fact but he hasn't been played much and he is one of the most (overall) athletically gifted players on the team. I can't fault the Bears for sticking with Tillman. When they put in their #3 he got burnt bad. It was the lesser of 2 evils at that point. Vasher is the #1 by far. A #2 should be a key priority in the draft.

 

BringItOn

Footballguy
Grossman did fairly well today once he got up to speed.. but unfortunately by that time they were down by 10. A Couple things that stand out to me here:First, THEY SHOULD HAVE GIVEN HIM SOME PLAYING TIME IN THE REG. SEASON FINALE. Perhaps then, he would have gotten up to speed quicker.Second, Why was Rex being forced to throw the ball so much when much of the game he was averaging 4.5+ yards per carry.. Go with what got you there.. RUN.Third. loss of Mike Brown on Defense early on had a much greater impact than people think.. When he got hurt earlier this season, the impact on the overall defensive effectiveness was very noticible..All in all, while I am very disappointed that they lost, They are a very young team, and most of the defense is locked up for several more years.. There is a lot to look forward to.

 

Red Apples

Footballguy
On Smiths 2 TDs the corner back fell. Just fell. Smith was wide open.The Bears got lucky on that reversal in the first quarter where Peppers ran it back for the TD.Lovie was outcoached. Jesus cover Smith.Run Thomas Jones.

 

DPRugby

knucklehead
Two fallen DBs and Tillmen getting toasted all day spelt doom for the Bears.  Carolina did exactly what they needed to do to win, and I hope they do well in Seattle.
The fallen DB's shouldn't have been a problem. They did pretty good without Brown before that. He obviously wasn't healthy. Also, Azumah hasn't been healthy all year long. I don't know that for a fact but he hasn't been played much and he is one of the most (overall) athletically gifted players on the team. I can't fault the Bears for sticking with Tillman. When they put in their #3 he got burnt bad. It was the lesser of 2 evils at that point. Vasher is the #1 by far. A #2 should be a key priority in the draft.
I mean fallen as in Chicago's DBs FELL on both of Carolina's long TD passes.
 

ditka311

Footballguy
On Smiths 2 TDs the corner back fell. Just fell. Smith was wide open.

The Bears got lucky on that reversal in the first quarter where Peppers ran it back for the TD.

Lovie was outcoached. Jesus cover Smith.

Run Thomas Jones.
The more i think about it, I think they did get outcoached.
 

ditka311

Footballguy
Two fallen DBs and Tillmen getting toasted all day spelt doom for the Bears.  Carolina did exactly what they needed to do to win, and I hope they do well in Seattle.
The fallen DB's shouldn't have been a problem. They did pretty good without Brown before that. He obviously wasn't healthy. Also, Azumah hasn't been healthy all year long. I don't know that for a fact but he hasn't been played much and he is one of the most (overall) athletically gifted players on the team. I can't fault the Bears for sticking with Tillman. When they put in their #3 he got burnt bad. It was the lesser of 2 evils at that point. Vasher is the #1 by far. A #2 should be a key priority in the draft.
I mean fallen as in Chicago's DBs FELL on both of Carolina's long TD passes.
Oh, my bad.
 

DPRugby

knucklehead
On Smiths 2 TDs the corner back fell.  Just fell.  Smith was wide open.

The Bears got lucky on that reversal in the first quarter where Peppers ran it back for the TD.

Lovie was outcoached.  Jesus cover Smith.

Run Thomas Jones.
The more i think about it, I think they did get outcoached.
I agree, the Bears had no plan to deal with Smith.
 

Kai's Hero

Footballguy
Yeah, I agree. Congrats to the Panthers. I am so disappointed in the Bears right now but credit is due to the Panthers.
Would you agree with me that we were outcoached just a bit today?
It's more what the players did than what Foxy did. The Panthers, cleary, was the best D on the field and their skill guys (Delhomme and Smith) are head and shoulders better than anyone Chicago puts on the field. I picked Carolina at the start of the year but living in Seattle I was pulling for the Bears. We can beat the Bears handily but the Panthers ..... I'm a bit scared of!
 

Your Mom

Footballguy
Grossman did fairly well today once he got up to speed.. but unfortunately by that time they were down by 10.

A Couple things that stand out to me here:

First,

THEY SHOULD HAVE GIVEN HIM SOME PLAYING TIME IN THE REG. SEASON FINALE. Perhaps then, he would have gotten up to speed quicker.

Second, Why was Rex being forced to throw the ball so much when much of the game he was averaging 4.5+ yards per carry.. Go with what got you there.. RUN.

Third. loss of Mike Brown on Defense early on had a much greater impact than people think.. When he got hurt earlier this season, the impact on the overall defensive effectiveness was very noticible..

All in all, while I am very disappointed that they lost, They are a very young team, and most of the defense is locked up for several more years.. There is a lot to look forward to.
i agree with most of your post except the fact that grossman should have played against Minnesota. That had nothing to do with it. The defense played like crap. You think if Grossman played a little against minnesota they would have won? Sorry, but i disagree.
 

DPRugby

knucklehead
If someone would have told me that the Bears would score 21 points I would have thought it would be a Bears win. Can't fault the offense, when the D let Carolina score on 4 of it's 5 last possesions or something like that.Rex did fine... (2nd qtr on) and I think the Bears will be fine next year too. They certainly played above their head all year and today were brought back to reality by Jake and Steve.

 

ThisGuy

Ignored by Nipsey
John Fox is an F'n great coach. Panthers are really going to be trouble for Seattle next week. Steve Smith is Mighty Mouse.

 

Rounders

Footballguy
Did the Bears coaching get outcoached - yes.I think that the game was over after teh 2nd play of the game. I was at the game and the crowd was pumped, ready to go, then on the 2nd play of the game, BAM 60 yard TD!I fault the coaches for not having a better game plan for Steve Smith. We learned today, that the strength of the Bears defense is their defensive line. We could not get good pressure on Delhomme today and as a result, he had time to find Smith.Not having Mikey Brown also hurt, is this guy starting to get fragile?? Heading into the offseason, the Bears should be happy with Rex's moxy, he proved today that he's a fighter and gives your team a good chance to win. Having 21 of 22 starters signed for the next 3 years is good, but they really need to upgrade at the WR and CB positions. Muhammed was a disappointment, how many drops did he have this year? I count at least 10! Way to many. Although Berrian showed some flashes, they still need an upgrade. As for CB, Vasher is solid and a ballhawk, but Tillman is not a #1 corner and proved it today. Actually he had a terrible season. Azumah was hurt all year. If they can get a true shutdown CB, and a true #1 WR, this could be a very good team. The sad part however is the Bears Brass will not spend the money to improve. They will build through the draft (is there a WR worth taking in the late 1st round?)I hope that this game leaves a sour taste in their mouth, and gives them some motivation for next year.

 

Hamstring

Footballguy
Tillman sucked, its all his fault. He stinks. He missed the Mangum coverage too. Boo Peanut you blow. You can't even get a jump ball even though you're taller.

 

Spiderman

Footballguy
Wrote this in another thread, but moved it here as well....I think the gameplan was suspect and that sucks, but let's be realistic here, guys. The Bears have been the doormat of the NFL for the last 4 years. This year, they stayed healthy (other than Grossman) and brought some respectability back to the Organization. Lovie and the Ron's did a great job this year in the grand scheme of things. We just fell a little short. I'm not going to stand here and listen to guys like Mike North rant about how he would've started Kyle Orton. If you feel that was the problem, you didn't watch the game or know little about football. The Bears deserve congratulations for their run this year. Half the prognosticators felt they would be one of the worst three teams in the NFL this year and in the Reggie Bush/Matt Leinart/Vince Young sweepstakes. Let's enjoy the remaining games, plan for next year, and see if the Bears can prove to the league that they weren't a fluke this year. The offseason for the Bears begins today. Get on the phone with Briggs agent and begin working on that long term extension. That is our #1 offseason priority. Then, maybe we add one mid level free agent and begin to build via the draft. Angelo has done a magnificent job at that so far. This year's draft is very deep at TE, O-line, and LB. All positions of need for the Bears. Either way, we'd be in great position for any number of LB's (a gamebreaker to replace Hillenmeyer and give us more depth), TE's (Clark is overrated and overpaid), and OT's (need to plan for the eventual replacement of Miller at RT). And might even have a shot to add more WR depth if Santonio Holmes falls... It is a great time to be a Bears fan again. In July, you would never have imagined that at year's end, we'd be debating why we came up just short on our run for the NFC championship. Instead, we all thought we'd be debating who our new Coach and GM would be. Its all about perspective. On the whole, great season!!!

 

Power Monster

The Midnight Stalker
Yes – congrats to the Panther team and their fans. Played a great game and wanted it more. That was a huge distinction in the outcome of this game. Everyone talks up Steve Smith (who is a monster) but this game was won by the Panther’s OL and Jake. Remember- the Bears would not give Jake an interview when they were shopping for QBs and they went into the draft that year and grabbed Grossman and Michael Haynes. There were two other keys to the game. The first key was the obvious play of the Bears’ defense and STs. The Panthers deserve huge props here as they exposed the Bear’s weakness by opening up the middle of the field after SS stretched them good. Of course, executing lousy punts and poor punt coverage from play number one was the writing on the wall. The second key was the lame play calling from the Bear’s OC. I might have been watching a different game but whenever Thomas Jones touched the ball he was making an impact MOST of the time. That was the bread and butter for the Bears all season so WTF? Just throw it out the window? You just did not want to get into a shootout with Jake and that was the reason why the Panther brass kicked some major booty! No excuses now. Great win and best of luck in Seattle….

 
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