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Great game today. Heartbreak for me but the Panthers played great. A couple of plays the other way and who knows what the outcome would be. Good luck against Seattle. Better watch your ### next year though.
Would you agree with me that we were outcoached just a bit today?Yeah, I agree. Congrats to the Panthers. I am so disappointed in the Bears right now but credit is due to the Panthers.
Or maybe the defense could take note of a guy named S. Smith. You can't put all the blame on the offense for this one. I was actually impressed with Rex today. I think this kid can be a real nice player. Remember this was only his 9th game started ever and I think he handeled the pressure ok for the most part.Chicago's coaching staff did as much as it could have done. It was up to the players to do the rest.Give Chicago a solid QB or an improved O-line and they win that game.Would you agree with me that we were outcoached just a bit today?Yeah, I agree. Congrats to the Panthers. I am so disappointed in the Bears right now but credit is due to the Panthers.
This just shows that people dont understand football. Rex didn't play great but the defense played like complete crap. The #1 goal should have been to shut down Steve smith. Tillman can't cover him 1 on 1 and they tried that. Then they put Thompson on him. The coaches got OUT COACHED. They should have double covered Smith all game. Deshaun Foster is a chicken chit. he got hurt again. The bears got out coached and the defense played like ####. The bears put 21 pts on the board. Grossman did what he could. By NO MEANS is the game on grossman's shoulders. The O-line didn't play very good, but the defense was supposed to be dominant. They sucked. Congrats carolina.Chicago's coaching staff did as much as it could have done. It was up to the players to do the rest.Give Chicago a solid QB or an improved O-line and they win that game.Would you agree with me that we were outcoached just a bit today?Yeah, I agree. Congrats to the Panthers. I am so disappointed in the Bears right now but credit is due to the Panthers.
That depends. The D did not adapt to what Carolina was doing at all. Lining up rookie CB's/Charles Tillman vs Steve Smith was just plain dumb. Tillman got lit up all day. Carolina knew it and kept going that way. Also, WR's were continuously open across the middle underneath all game long. I really thought Lovie's talk to the D would have woken them up. No dice. They continued to make the same mistakes over and over. So, you could say the coaches didn't adapt to what Carolina was doing or the players just weren't holding up their end of the bargain. For all of the sh#t they talked, they sure didn't back it up.Would you agree with me that we were outcoached just a bit today?Yeah, I agree. Congrats to the Panthers. I am so disappointed in the Bears right now but credit is due to the Panthers.
I blame Ron Rivera and the secondary (to a lesser extent) for this one. The defensive gameplan sucked. Tillman is too slow to contain any #1 WR in the league (let alone THE current #1 WR in the league in Steve Smith). Whatever slim shot Rivera had of getting a HC job this offseason (which I don't think he's qualified for yet) is down the toilet.Grossman looked decent. No worse than what the Bears have gotten from the QB position this year. Some bad decisions here and there, but he'll live and learn from them. The upgrade isn't needed at QB, but at......Or maybe the defense could take note of a guy named S. Smith. You can't put all the blame on the offense for this one. I was actually impressed with Rex today. I think this kid can be a real nice player. Remember this was only his 9th game started ever and I think he handeled the pressure ok for the most part.Chicago's coaching staff did as much as it could have done. It was up to the players to do the rest.Give Chicago a solid QB or an improved O-line and they win that game.Would you agree with me that we were outcoached just a bit today?Yeah, I agree. Congrats to the Panthers. I am so disappointed in the Bears right now but credit is due to the Panthers.
This was a great post. I think the exact same way. Berrian played a great game. moose and Gage play way too much. I cant say anymore. this guy summed it up for me.I blame Ron Rivera and the secondary (to a lesser extent) for this one. The defensive gameplan sucked. Tillman is too slow to contain any #1 WR in the league (let alone THE current #1 WR in the league in Steve Smith). Whatever slim shot Rivera had of getting a HC job this offseason (which I don't think he's qualified for yet) is down the toilet.Grossman looked decent. No worse than what the Bears have gotten from the QB position this year. Some bad decisions here and there, but he'll live and learn from them. The upgrade isn't needed at QB, but at......Or maybe the defense could take note of a guy named S. Smith. You can't put all the blame on the offense for this one. I was actually impressed with Rex today. I think this kid can be a real nice player. Remember this was only his 9th game started ever and I think he handeled the pressure ok for the most part.Chicago's coaching staff did as much as it could have done. It was up to the players to do the rest.Give Chicago a solid QB or an improved O-line and they win that game.Would you agree with me that we were outcoached just a bit today?Yeah, I agree. Congrats to the Panthers. I am so disappointed in the Bears right now but credit is due to the Panthers.
WR: Other than Berrian (who I will apologize for saying previously he didn't have the nuts to go across the middle), they've got two plodding WR's in Gage and Moose. I hope to hell they either find a speedy WR this offseason and/or Berrian continues to improve and Bradley has a speedy ACL recovery.
TE: Today's TD aside, the Bears need to move away from the whole Desmond Clark experiment. They should be in position to take one of the better TE's in the draft. After seeing the solid impact Heath Miller's had with Pitt, I'd make it a priority.
CB: As a unit, they aren't that bad. Just lacking a shutdown corner (which how many of them are their really around the league?).
The only part I agree with is the part you said about the players doing the rest. They flat out didn't. The line was fine but Carolina was bringing the house in the first half. There just werent enough blockers and a lot of guys came through without a touch. What made it worse was that T. Jones would be in the flat for a screen so there was no backfield help. When Grossman did have time to throw, he made just about all of them. The Bears' WR's (besides Berrian) basically suck. Muhammad is the most overpaid possession WR in the league and he has questionable hands.Chicago's coaching staff did as much as it could have done. It was up to the players to do the rest.Give Chicago a solid QB or an improved O-line and they win that game.Would you agree with me that we were outcoached just a bit today?Yeah, I agree. Congrats to the Panthers. I am so disappointed in the Bears right now but credit is due to the Panthers.
At least I can go into the off-season feeling at peace with Rex at QB. After his shaky start, from the mid 2nd quarter on he played as I would expect. Next year, given some tweaking we will be back-stronger. Congrats Panther fans.I blame Ron Rivera and the secondary (to a lesser extent) for this one. The defensive gameplan sucked. Tillman is too slow to contain any #1 WR in the league (let alone THE current #1 WR in the league in Steve Smith). Whatever slim shot Rivera had of getting a HC job this offseason (which I don't think he's qualified for yet) is down the toilet.Grossman looked decent. No worse than what the Bears have gotten from the QB position this year. Some bad decisions here and there, but he'll live and learn from them. The upgrade isn't needed at QB, but at......Or maybe the defense could take note of a guy named S. Smith. You can't put all the blame on the offense for this one. I was actually impressed with Rex today. I think this kid can be a real nice player. Remember this was only his 9th game started ever and I think he handeled the pressure ok for the most part.Chicago's coaching staff did as much as it could have done. It was up to the players to do the rest.Give Chicago a solid QB or an improved O-line and they win that game.Would you agree with me that we were outcoached just a bit today?Yeah, I agree. Congrats to the Panthers. I am so disappointed in the Bears right now but credit is due to the Panthers.
WR: Other than Berrian (who I will apologize for saying previously he didn't have the nuts to go across the middle), they've got two plodding WR's in Gage and Moose. I hope to hell they either find a speedy WR this offseason and/or Berrian continues to improve and Bradley has a speedy ACL recovery.
TE: Today's TD aside, the Bears need to move away from the whole Desmond Clark experiment. They should be in position to take one of the better TE's in the draft. After seeing the solid impact Heath Miller's had with Pitt, I'd make it a priority.
CB: As a unit, they aren't that bad. Just lacking a shutdown corner (which how many of them are their really around the league?).
Several players in the NFL have broken ankles or legs getting tackled like Foster did. I don't really understand how that makes DeShaun a chicken chit. Anyway, that was a entertaining and close game. I'm glad the Panthers won, but I sure was getting worried there in the second half with the Bears offense really getting into a groove. I wasn't expecting the game to turn into an offensive affair like it did. The Bears have had a great season, and have a great foundation to build on now. Maybe the Cats and Bears will meet again next year for a rematch!!Deshaun Foster is a chicken chit. he got hurt again.
I hate to say I told you so...well actually that wouldn't be true. Letting Muhammad walk was a solid decision by the Panthers. Not a huge mistake for the Bears as they're loaded with young talent with small cap numbers.Grossman impressed me today.Muhammad is the most overpaid possession WR in the league and he has questionable hands.
I agree. What's worse is to watch him ##### at Orton/Grossman (more so with Orton) when he's not getting the ball. Then when he gets one, he drops it. He doesn't get open enough plan and simple.Perhaps there's a stat somewhere, I'd be shocked if he wasn't the league leader in drops and/or lowest target-to-catch ratio. He's Keyshawn Johnson playing #1 WR. IMO Moose doesn't have but a year or two left in the league.Muhammad is the most overpaid possession WR in the league and he has questionable hands.Chicago's coaching staff did as much as it could have done. It was up to the players to do the rest.Give Chicago a solid QB or an improved O-line and they win that game.Would you agree with me that we were outcoached just a bit today?Yeah, I agree. Congrats to the Panthers. I am so disappointed in the Bears right now but credit is due to the Panthers.
The fallen DB's shouldn't have been a problem. They did pretty good without Brown before that. He obviously wasn't healthy. Also, Azumah hasn't been healthy all year long. I don't know that for a fact but he hasn't been played much and he is one of the most (overall) athletically gifted players on the team. I can't fault the Bears for sticking with Tillman. When they put in their #3 he got burnt bad. It was the lesser of 2 evils at that point. Vasher is the #1 by far. A #2 should be a key priority in the draft.Two fallen DBs and Tillmen getting toasted all day spelt doom for the Bears. Carolina did exactly what they needed to do to win, and I hope they do well in Seattle.
I mean fallen as in Chicago's DBs FELL on both of Carolina's long TD passes.The fallen DB's shouldn't have been a problem. They did pretty good without Brown before that. He obviously wasn't healthy. Also, Azumah hasn't been healthy all year long. I don't know that for a fact but he hasn't been played much and he is one of the most (overall) athletically gifted players on the team. I can't fault the Bears for sticking with Tillman. When they put in their #3 he got burnt bad. It was the lesser of 2 evils at that point. Vasher is the #1 by far. A #2 should be a key priority in the draft.Two fallen DBs and Tillmen getting toasted all day spelt doom for the Bears. Carolina did exactly what they needed to do to win, and I hope they do well in Seattle.
The more i think about it, I think they did get outcoached.On Smiths 2 TDs the corner back fell. Just fell. Smith was wide open.
The Bears got lucky on that reversal in the first quarter where Peppers ran it back for the TD.
Lovie was outcoached. Jesus cover Smith.
Run Thomas Jones.
Oh, my bad.I mean fallen as in Chicago's DBs FELL on both of Carolina's long TD passes.The fallen DB's shouldn't have been a problem. They did pretty good without Brown before that. He obviously wasn't healthy. Also, Azumah hasn't been healthy all year long. I don't know that for a fact but he hasn't been played much and he is one of the most (overall) athletically gifted players on the team. I can't fault the Bears for sticking with Tillman. When they put in their #3 he got burnt bad. It was the lesser of 2 evils at that point. Vasher is the #1 by far. A #2 should be a key priority in the draft.Two fallen DBs and Tillmen getting toasted all day spelt doom for the Bears. Carolina did exactly what they needed to do to win, and I hope they do well in Seattle.
I agree, the Bears had no plan to deal with Smith.The more i think about it, I think they did get outcoached.On Smiths 2 TDs the corner back fell. Just fell. Smith was wide open.
The Bears got lucky on that reversal in the first quarter where Peppers ran it back for the TD.
Lovie was outcoached. Jesus cover Smith.
Run Thomas Jones.
It's more what the players did than what Foxy did. The Panthers, cleary, was the best D on the field and their skill guys (Delhomme and Smith) are head and shoulders better than anyone Chicago puts on the field. I picked Carolina at the start of the year but living in Seattle I was pulling for the Bears. We can beat the Bears handily but the Panthers ..... I'm a bit scared of!Would you agree with me that we were outcoached just a bit today?Yeah, I agree. Congrats to the Panthers. I am so disappointed in the Bears right now but credit is due to the Panthers.
i agree with most of your post except the fact that grossman should have played against Minnesota. That had nothing to do with it. The defense played like crap. You think if Grossman played a little against minnesota they would have won? Sorry, but i disagree.Grossman did fairly well today once he got up to speed.. but unfortunately by that time they were down by 10.
A Couple things that stand out to me here:
First,
THEY SHOULD HAVE GIVEN HIM SOME PLAYING TIME IN THE REG. SEASON FINALE. Perhaps then, he would have gotten up to speed quicker.
Second, Why was Rex being forced to throw the ball so much when much of the game he was averaging 4.5+ yards per carry.. Go with what got you there.. RUN.
Third. loss of Mike Brown on Defense early on had a much greater impact than people think.. When he got hurt earlier this season, the impact on the overall defensive effectiveness was very noticible..
All in all, while I am very disappointed that they lost, They are a very young team, and most of the defense is locked up for several more years.. There is a lot to look forward to.