G Men after McGahee (1 Viewer)

[jeter23]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2778174

The Buffalo Bills are using part of their time here at the NFL scouting combine this weekend to apprise teams that starting tailback Willis McGahee is available via trade, and it appears they have attracted the interest of at least one potential suitor.

Jerry Reese, the first-year general manager of the New York Giants, acknowledged Saturday morning that his team has some interest in McGahee, a four-year veteran who has twice posted 1,000-yard seasons.

"There is some talk about Willis out there," Reese said. "We'll investigate Willis. We'll investigate everybody out there with trade talks. We'll leave no stones unturned."

The Giants are seeking to bolster a tailback depth chart thinned by the retirement of star Tiki Barber, and where two-year veteran Brandon Jacobs is now the nominal starter. The Giants feel Jacobs has a strong upside, but Barber's former backup has logged just 134 carries in two seasons.

Jacobs carried 96 times for 423 yards in 2006, but he posted double-digit rushing attempts in only three games and will have to demonstrate in camp that he is able to assume the workhorse load that Barber once shouldered. The ideal situation, Reese allowed, would be for Jacobs to win the starting job and for the team to have a complementary back, maybe a veteran, on hand as well.

"We're looking for Brandon to probably carry the ball 20 times and for another running back [to carry] 15 times," Reese said. "[Jacobs] will carry the maximum amount of the load for us, I'm assuming, if everything goes like we expect it to."

In truth, though, McGahee is a more accomplished back than Jacobs, and he certainly would compete hard for the No. 1 job if the Giants acquired him. It is not believed that there have been any substantive trade discussions yet between the Giants and the Bills. But officials from other teams confirmed that the Bills are actively pursuing trade partners for McGahee, the team's first-round choice in the 2003 draft.

Buffalo officials seem to have soured on McGahee, who has not asked to be traded, but who is entering the final year of his contract in 2007. McGahee could depart as a free agent after the 2007 season and the Bills, wary of the possibility he could exit with them getting nothing in return, have taken a active stance in trying to find him a new home.

It is not known if any other teams have indicated an interest in McGahee. The former University of Miami standout has appeared in 46 games, including 40 starts, and carried 868 times for 3,365 yards and 24 touchdowns.

McGahee, 25, missed his entire rookie campaign as he recovered from the catastrophic knee injury that ended his college career, then rushed for over 1,000 yards each in 2004 and 2005, before running for 990 yards last season.

In an unrelated move, the Giants reached agreement with two-year veteran linebacker Chase Blackburn on a four-year, $3.5 million contract. Blackburn is expected to vie for a starting job in the Giants' revamped linebacker corps in 2007.

 

[brednbuddah]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2778174

"We're looking for Brandon to probably carry the ball 20 times and for another running back [to carry] 15 times," Reese said. " [Jacobs] will carry the maximum amount of the load for us, I'm assuming, if everything goes like we expect it to."

Not exactly a ringing endorsement for Eli if the Giants are looking to run the ball about 35 times a game.

 

[zamboni]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2778174

"We're looking for Brandon to probably carry the ball 20 times and for another running back [to carry] 15 times," Reese said. " [Jacobs] will carry the maximum amount of the load for us, I'm assuming, if everything goes like we expect it to."

Not exactly a ringing endorsement for Eli if the Giants are looking to run the ball about 35 times a game.

I wouldn't read too much into it. Virtually every team would love to run the ball 35 times a game, as that indicates controlling the clock and keeping the defense off the field.Of course, that's the desire, but realism has a way of interfering with plans.

 

[brednbuddah]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2778174

"We're looking for Brandon to probably carry the ball 20 times and for another running back [to carry] 15 times," Reese said. " [Jacobs] will carry the maximum amount of the load for us, I'm assuming, if everything goes like we expect it to."

Not exactly a ringing endorsement for Eli if the Giants are looking to run the ball about 35 times a game.

I wouldn't read too much into it. Virtually every team would love to run the ball 35 times a game, as that indicates controlling the clock and keeping the defense off the field.Of course, that's the desire, but realism has a way of interfering with plans.

I understand your point and agree with it, it's waaaay too early to take anything these guys say seriously, but we're not talking about J.P. Losman here where you would have to run the ball 35 times a game to have a chance to win a game. Eli is supposed to be the type of QB who can win a game all by himself. A comment like this, however unmerited, surprises me

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

we're not talking about J.P. Losman here where you would have to run the ball 35 times a game to have a chance to win a game. Eli is supposed to be the type of QB who can win a game all by himself. A comment like this, however unmerited, surprises me

JP was as good as Eli this year, if not better.JP Losman: 268/429 (62.5%), 3051 yards (7.1 Y/A), 19TD/14INT (1.4 TD per INT), 84.9 QB Rating

Eli Manning: 301/522 (57.7%), 3244 yards (6.2 Y/A), 24TD/18INT (1.3 TD per INT), 77.0 QB Rating

 

[Ron_Mexico]

I think it's a stretch for Reese to assume

Jacobs is good for 20 carries per game

when he has never carried the ball more

than 11 times in a single game during

his entire NFL career.

The bigger they are, the harder they fall.

 

[redman]

Good Lord! The Big Apple's going to be even bigger by the time McGahee gets done with its women!

 

[Capella]

I think it's a stretch for Reese to assumeJacobs is good for 20 carries per gamewhen he has never carried the ball morethan 11 times in a single game duringhis entire NFL career.The bigger they are, the harder they fall.

why do you post like this?

 

[moleculo]

I think it's a stretch for Reese to assumeJacobs is good for 20 carries per gamewhen he has never carried the ball morethan 11 times in a single game duringhis entire NFL career.The bigger they are, the harder they fall.

why do you post like this?

I've beenwondering thatsame thingfor a while.

 

[redman]

I think it's a stretch for Reese to assumeJacobs is good for 20 carries per gamewhen he has never carried the ball morethan 11 times in a single game duringhis entire NFL career.The bigger they are, the harder they fall.

why do you post like this?

Don't you recognize iambic pentameter when you see it? Heathen.

 

[Couch Potato]

I think it's a stretch for Reese to assumeJacobs is good for 20 carries per gamewhen he has never carried the ball morethan 11 times in a single game duringhis entire NFL career.The bigger they are, the harder they fall.

why do you post like this?

Becauseit'sbetterthanpostinglikethis.Alittle.

 

[Bri]

I did not take that quote from Reese to be that the G-men are after Willis. He said he'd investigate everyone involved in trade talks and leave no stone unturned.

What do you expect a new GM to say? No he's not going to consider Willis?

Pretty big leap IMO

 

[brednbuddah]

we're not talking about J.P. Losman here where you would have to run the ball 35 times a game to have a chance to win a game. Eli is supposed to be the type of QB who can win a game all by himself. A comment like this, however unmerited, surprises me

JP was as good as Eli this year, if not better.JP Losman: 268/429 (62.5%), 3051 yards (7.1 Y/A), 19TD/14INT (1.4 TD per INT), 84.9 QB Rating

Eli Manning: 301/522 (57.7%), 3244 yards (6.2 Y/A), 24TD/18INT (1.3 TD per INT), 77.0 QB Rating

Does J.P. Losman have Archie Manning for a father and the best QB in the league for a brother? point is, I would expect the Giants wouldn't have to run as much as they are posturing they will need to with Eli at QB.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

we're not talking about J.P. Losman here where you would have to run the ball 35 times a game to have a chance to win a game. Eli is supposed to be the type of QB who can win a game all by himself. A comment like this, however unmerited, surprises me

JP was as good as Eli this year, if not better.JP Losman: 268/429 (62.5%), 3051 yards (7.1 Y/A), 19TD/14INT (1.4 TD per INT), 84.9 QB Rating

Eli Manning: 301/522 (57.7%), 3244 yards (6.2 Y/A), 24TD/18INT (1.3 TD per INT), 77.0 QB Rating

Does J.P. Losman have Archie Manning for a father and the best QB in the league for a brother? point is, I would expect the Giants wouldn't have to run as much as they are posturing they will need to with Eli at QB.

who cares? it certainly didn't look like Eli could win games on his own this year based on those stats above. he was pretty terrible most of the time. Archie and Peyton going to make him get better now all of a sudden? he's already been in the league for 3 years.

 

[Byron_nyc]

I think this makes a lot of sense for everyone, and could very well happen.

Brandon Jacobs is not a starting tailback in the NFL. He's a fullback with better-than-average vision, moves, and speed. He is going to be a Mike Alstott type player, which means he will be a great weapon but not a load-carrying tailback. His experiment at tailback that has not panned out.

Giants get a win-now option at RB, with an option at the end of 2007 to franchise tag or negotiate with a young back, who, had he not blown out his knee senior year, would have been a top-three draft pick out of college.

Buffalo could do well with some of the Giants LB or CB free-agent acquisitions and developments over the past two years.

I think Willis would show massively improved yardage stats in NY, with a bottom of 1200 yards, though TDs will continue to be vultured by Jacobs. The Giants have an elite O-line, and a dangerous passing game, and McGahee's problems -- besides a lousy attitude because the team was losing -- were lack of the top factors above. Willis McGahee has the skills to be an elite running back in this league if he stays healthy -- all he needs is the opportunity, and running behind the Giants O-line and taking play-action from Eli and Burress is just what the doctor ordered.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Buffalo could do well with some of the Giants LB or CB free-agent acquisitions and developments over the past two years.

apart from Antonio Pierce who isn't going anywhere, there isn't a single Giants LB or CB I'd want on the Bills.if McGahee does get shopped, I imagine the Bills would want a low 1st round pick for him.

 

[brednbuddah]

we're not talking about J.P. Losman here where you would have to run the ball 35 times a game to have a chance to win a game. Eli is supposed to be the type of QB who can win a game all by himself. A comment like this, however unmerited, surprises me

JP was as good as Eli this year, if not better.JP Losman: 268/429 (62.5%), 3051 yards (7.1 Y/A), 19TD/14INT (1.4 TD per INT), 84.9 QB Rating

Eli Manning: 301/522 (57.7%), 3244 yards (6.2 Y/A), 24TD/18INT (1.3 TD per INT), 77.0 QB Rating

Does J.P. Losman have Archie Manning for a father and the best QB in the league for a brother? point is, I would expect the Giants wouldn't have to run as much as they are posturing they will need to with Eli at QB.

who cares? it certainly didn't look like Eli could win games on his own this year based on those stats above. he was pretty terrible most of the time. Archie and Peyton going to make him get better now all of a sudden? he's already been in the league for 3 years.

good. looks like we're in agreement.

 

[weegmc]

we're not talking about J.P. Losman here where you would have to run the ball 35 times a game to have a chance to win a game. Eli is supposed to be the type of QB who can win a game all by himself. A comment like this, however unmerited, surprises me

JP was as good as Eli this year, if not better.JP Losman: 268/429 (62.5%), 3051 yards (7.1 Y/A), 19TD/14INT (1.4 TD per INT), 84.9 QB Rating

Eli Manning: 301/522 (57.7%), 3244 yards (6.2 Y/A), 24TD/18INT (1.3 TD per INT), 77.0 QB Rating

Does J.P. Losman have Archie Manning for a father and the best QB in the league for a brother? point is, I would expect the Giants wouldn't have to run as much as they are posturing they will need to with Eli at QB.

who cares? it certainly didn't look like Eli could win games on his own this year based on those stats above. he was pretty terrible most of the time. Archie and Peyton going to make him get better now all of a sudden? he's already been in the league for 3 years.

I don't think you watched too many Giant games last year - down the stretch while the team struggled Manning continually put them ahead in the 4th quarter. Yeah he had some stinkers but he had alot more solid games. The comment about Losman being bettter had me doubled over.

 

[brednbuddah]

Just heard on sirius NFL radio, Reese has interest in not only McGahee, but Thomas Jones and Michael Turner.

I'm now convinced Reese is just blowing smoke.

J.P. Losman still sucks...

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

I think this makes a lot of sense for everyone, and could very well happen.

Brandon Jacobs is not a starting tailback in the NFL. He's a fullback with better-than-average vision, moves, and speed. He is going to be a Mike Alstott type player, which means he will be a great weapon but not a load-carrying tailback. His experiment at tailback that has not panned out.

Giants get a win-now option at RB, with an option at the end of 2007 to franchise tag or negotiate with a young back, who, had he not blown out his knee senior year, would have been a top-three draft pick out of college.

Buffalo could do well with some of the Giants LB or CB free-agent acquisitions and developments over the past two years.

I think Willis would show massively improved yardage stats in NY, with a bottom of 1200 yards, though TDs will continue to be vultured by Jacobs. The Giants have an elite O-line, and a dangerous passing game, and McGahee's problems -- besides a lousy attitude because the team was losing -- were lack of the top factors above. Willis McGahee has the skills to be an elite running back in this league if he stays healthy -- all he needs is the opportunity, and running behind the Giants O-line and taking play-action from Eli and Burress is just what the doctor ordered.

I don't know many people who consider the Giants O-line to be elite.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

The comment about Losman being bettter had me doubled over.

stats don't lie.Losman finished with a better completion %, better yards per attempt, better TD/INT ratio, and better QB Rating.Eli takes fewer sacks and threw for more yards and TDs.Eli finished ranked 13th in fantasy points. Losman finished 14th.I think most would agree that Eli is the more talented QB and that he should be better, but that wasn't necessarily the case this year.Bills finished 7-9 in a strong AFC while the Giants finished 8-8 in a weak NFC.Eli had studs like Tiki Barber, Plaxico Burress, and Jeremy Shockey at his disposal. JP Losman had Lee Evans and a pretty mediocre year from McGahee. Eli almost certainly had the better offensive line as well.are you really arguing that Eli had a much better year than Losman? so much better that the comparison is laughable? seriously?

 

[King of the Jungle]

we're not talking about J.P. Losman here where you would have to run the ball 35 times a game to have a chance to win a game. Eli is supposed to be the type of QB who can win a game all by himself. A comment like this, however unmerited, surprises me

JP was as good as Eli this year, if not better.JP Losman: 268/429 (62.5%), 3051 yards (7.1 Y/A), 19TD/14INT (1.4 TD per INT), 84.9 QB Rating

Eli Manning: 301/522 (57.7%), 3244 yards (6.2 Y/A), 24TD/18INT (1.3 TD per INT), 77.0 QB Rating

Does J.P. Losman have Archie Manning for a father and the best QB in the league for a brother? point is, I would expect the Giants wouldn't have to run as much as they are posturing they will need to with Eli at QB.

who cares? it certainly didn't look like Eli could win games on his own this year based on those stats above. he was pretty terrible most of the time. Archie and Peyton going to make him get better now all of a sudden? he's already been in the league for 3 years.

I don't think you watched too many Giant games last year - down the stretch while the team struggled Manning continually put them ahead in the 4th quarter. Yeah he had some stinkers but he had alot more solid games. The comment about Losman being bettter had me doubled over.

Keep in mind that Losman had less talent surrounding him. When I examine both Eli's and JP's 2006 season, I give the nod to Losman. Most of Eli's "good moments" were partly due to the fact that the team was down by so much. Defenses softened up allowing him to put up some numbers. I watched Eli several times this past season, and was not impressed. He is inaccurate on a variety of different throws, easily flustered by the blitz, and does not seem to have an ounce of leadership with his unit.

 

[Iceman56751]

I think this makes a lot of sense for everyone, and could very well happen.

Brandon Jacobs is not a starting tailback in the NFL. He's a fullback with better-than-average vision, moves, and speed. He is going to be a Mike Alstott type player, which means he will be a great weapon but not a load-carrying tailback. His experiment at tailback that has not panned out.

Giants get a win-now option at RB, with an option at the end of 2007 to franchise tag or negotiate with a young back, who, had he not blown out his knee senior year, would have been a top-three draft pick out of college.

Buffalo could do well with some of the Giants LB or CB free-agent acquisitions and developments over the past two years.

I think Willis would show massively improved yardage stats in NY, with a bottom of 1200 yards, though TDs will continue to be vultured by Jacobs. The Giants have an elite O-line, and a dangerous passing game, and McGahee's problems -- besides a lousy attitude because the team was losing -- were lack of the top factors above. Willis McGahee has the skills to be an elite running back in this league if he stays healthy -- all he needs is the opportunity, and running behind the Giants O-line and taking play-action from Eli and Burress is just what the doctor ordered.

I don't know many people who consider the Giants O-line to be elite.

No doubt - can u even name a Giant O linemen?Jacobs is a part timer - never carry the full load.

McGahee is not a great back - what makes one think he can do any better in NY as he did in Buffalo?

 

[Ron_Mexico]

I think it's a stretch for Reese to assumeJacobs is good for 20 carries per gamewhen he has never carried the ball morethan 11 times in a single game duringhis entire NFL career.The bigger they are, the harder they fall.

why do you post like this?

Don't you recognize iambic pentameter when you see it? Heathen.

precisely.

 

[RC94]

I hope this is just a rumor. The Giants need to go in a different direction than going after McGahee.

 

[Gargoylez]

I would take Losman over Manning any day of the week.

If you watched the Bills games this year, you saw Losman mature every game and his come from behind win against the Texans sparked something and ever since he was a top 10 QB in the league. Losman to Evans is a deadly combo, and Losman scrambling ability puts him above Manning, if his stats alone doesn't bury Eli.

I just find it somewhat humorous that someone would "think" Losman was some scrub, when in actuality he was better then Eli, had better stats, performed better and didn't choke as the year went on.

Take a better look. Losman IS the better QB. There really is no arguement here.

AS far as McGahee, he is an average RB. Nothing more nothing less. Anthony Thomas outperformed him at times this season. Plus anyone who interviews with penthouse and mentions that the team you play for needs to move to Toronto... yeah... thats called a team -player.

 

[biggamer3]

Would be great to get Willis.

A running back controversy would just make the offseason more interesting.

What the GMen BADLY need a solid cover corner, we havent had one in years, since Sehorn (guys he was solid )

 

[Koya]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2778174

"We're looking for Brandon to probably carry the ball 20 times and for another running back [to carry] 15 times," Reese said. " [Jacobs] will carry the maximum amount of the load for us, I'm assuming, if everything goes like we expect it to."

Not exactly a ringing endorsement for Eli if the Giants are looking to run the ball about 35 times a game.

Would love McGahee on the team but I don't see the price being right unless they are convinced that Jacobs cant make it at the full time guy.

 

[chris1969]

That's what gets me, I can't see the Giants wanting to trade enough or Buffalo wanting what the Giants would give.

 

[Construction Man Jim]

Buffalo could do well with some of the Giants LB or CB free-agent acquisitions and developments over the past two years.

apart from Antonio Pierce who isn't going anywhere, there isn't a single Giants LB or CB I'd want on the Bills.if McGahee does get shopped, I imagine the Bills would want a low 1st round pick for him.

First of all, Reese was asked specifically about McGahee and all he said was they would consider all options. Secondly, the Bills aren't going to get anywhere near a 1st for Willis at this point. They don't exactly have much leverage considering his recent performance and attitude. That being said, given the geriatrics you have in charge, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if that is the asking price.And just to clarify, do you really think Losman is better than Eli or were you just making the point that statistically he had the better season?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Buffalo could do well with some of the Giants LB or CB free-agent acquisitions and developments over the past two years.

apart from Antonio Pierce who isn't going anywhere, there isn't a single Giants LB or CB I'd want on the Bills.if McGahee does get shopped, I imagine the Bills would want a low 1st round pick for him.

First of all, Reese was asked specifically about McGahee and all he said was they would consider all options. Secondly, the Bills aren't going to get anywhere near a 1st for Willis at this point. They don't exactly have much leverage considering his recent performance and attitude. That being said, given the geriatrics you have in charge, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if that is the asking price.And just to clarify, do you really think Losman is better than Eli or were you just making the point that statistically he had the better season?

Bills can just keep McGahee then. He's got another year left on his contract and they can franchise him afterwards. If they can't get a low 1st or high 2nd for him, they're probably better off keeping him. What do you think the price for him should be?I think Losman had a better season than Eli did this year. Going forward, I'd still expect Eli to have a better career, but I can't see how he's been anything other than a disappointment at this point. Losman, however, exceeded the expectations of most this year.

 

[chris1969]

Buffalo could do well with some of the Giants LB or CB free-agent acquisitions and developments over the past two years.

apart from Antonio Pierce who isn't going anywhere, there isn't a single Giants LB or CB I'd want on the Bills.if McGahee does get shopped, I imagine the Bills would want a low 1st round pick for him.

First of all, Reese was asked specifically about McGahee and all he said was they would consider all options. Secondly, the Bills aren't going to get anywhere near a 1st for Willis at this point. They don't exactly have much leverage considering his recent performance and attitude. That being said, given the geriatrics you have in charge, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if that is the asking price.And just to clarify, do you really think Losman is better than Eli or were you just making the point that statistically he had the better season?

Bills can just keep McGahee then. He's got another year left on his contract and they can franchise him afterwards. If they can't get a low 1st or high 2nd for him, they're probably better off keeping him. What do you think the price for him should be?I think Losman had a better season than Eli did this year. Going forward, I'd still expect Eli to have a better career, but I can't see how he's been anything other than a disappointment at this point. Losman, however, exceeded the expectations of most this year.

I think that some other teams would give up a high second rounder for him. The Ravens may even give up a first rounder.

 

[ravnzfan]

Buffalo could do well with some of the Giants LB or CB free-agent acquisitions and developments over the past two years.

apart from Antonio Pierce who isn't going anywhere, there isn't a single Giants LB or CB I'd want on the Bills.if McGahee does get shopped, I imagine the Bills would want a low 1st round pick for him.

First of all, Reese was asked specifically about McGahee and all he said was they would consider all options. Secondly, the Bills aren't going to get anywhere near a 1st for Willis at this point. They don't exactly have much leverage considering his recent performance and attitude. That being said, given the geriatrics you have in charge, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if that is the asking price.

And just to clarify, do you really think Losman is better than Eli or were you just making the point that statistically he had the better season?

Bills can just keep McGahee then. He's got another year left on his contract and they can franchise him afterwards. If they can't get a low 1st or high 2nd for him, they're probably better off keeping him. What do you think the price for him should be?I think Losman had a better season than Eli did this year. Going forward, I'd still expect Eli to have a better career, but I can't see how he's been anything other than a disappointment at this point. Losman, however, exceeded the expectations of most this year.

As I understand it, the Bills would rather get something opposed to nothing after the fact...couple that w/the ~$7.5M tag for a disgruntled player, I doubt the Bills go that wayMcGhaee was taken 22nd overall, IIRC...do you expect nearly the same in return?

a guy like Portis was taken in the 2nd...it goes on and on

I understand the passion for the home team, trust me...as a GM looking for RB help, I'd be willing to entertain something in the 50's range in exchange if there were a possiblity of signing McGahee to a longer term deal...

...otherwise I'd pass and take my chance in the draft, where good, solid talent is always available beyond "late 1st, early 2nd"

 

[ravnzfan]

Buffalo could do well with some of the Giants LB or CB free-agent acquisitions and developments over the past two years.

apart from Antonio Pierce who isn't going anywhere, there isn't a single Giants LB or CB I'd want on the Bills.if McGahee does get shopped, I imagine the Bills would want a low 1st round pick for him.

First of all, Reese was asked specifically about McGahee and all he said was they would consider all options. Secondly, the Bills aren't going to get anywhere near a 1st for Willis at this point. They don't exactly have much leverage considering his recent performance and attitude. That being said, given the geriatrics you have in charge, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if that is the asking price.

And just to clarify, do you really think Losman is better than Eli or were you just making the point that statistically he had the better season?

Bills can just keep McGahee then. He's got another year left on his contract and they can franchise him afterwards. If they can't get a low 1st or high 2nd for him, they're probably better off keeping him. What do you think the price for him should be?I think Losman had a better season than Eli did this year. Going forward, I'd still expect Eli to have a better career, but I can't see how he's been anything other than a disappointment at this point. Losman, however, exceeded the expectations of most this year.

I think that some other teams would give up a high second rounder for him. The Ravens may even give up a first rounder.

with Anderson under contract, and sitting @29...why would we trade that for McGahee?

 

[chris1969]

Buffalo could do well with some of the Giants LB or CB free-agent acquisitions and developments over the past two years.

apart from Antonio Pierce who isn't going anywhere, there isn't a single Giants LB or CB I'd want on the Bills.if McGahee does get shopped, I imagine the Bills would want a low 1st round pick for him.

First of all, Reese was asked specifically about McGahee and all he said was they would consider all options. Secondly, the Bills aren't going to get anywhere near a 1st for Willis at this point. They don't exactly have much leverage considering his recent performance and attitude. That being said, given the geriatrics you have in charge, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if that is the asking price.

And just to clarify, do you really think Losman is better than Eli or were you just making the point that statistically he had the better season?

Bills can just keep McGahee then. He's got another year left on his contract and they can franchise him afterwards. If they can't get a low 1st or high 2nd for him, they're probably better off keeping him. What do you think the price for him should be?I think Losman had a better season than Eli did this year. Going forward, I'd still expect Eli to have a better career, but I can't see how he's been anything other than a disappointment at this point. Losman, however, exceeded the expectations of most this year.

I think that some other teams would give up a high second rounder for him. The Ravens may even give up a first rounder.

with Anderson under contract, and sitting @29...why would we trade that for McGahee?

The only thing i could think of was on Draft Day with Peterson and Lynch off the board, I don't think Anderson being on the roster will effect weather or not they get another RB and I think the RB's after those 2 may be a reach at 29. Not saying it would happen, but I think he'd do well on that team.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

As I understand it, the Bills would rather get something opposed to nothing after the fact...couple that w/the ~$7.5M tag for a disgruntled player, I doubt the Bills go that wayMcGhaee was taken 22nd overall, IIRC...do you expect nearly the same in return?a guy like Portis was taken in the 2nd...it goes on and onI understand the passion for the home team, trust me...as a GM looking for RB help, I'd be willing to entertain something in the 50's range in exchange if there were a possiblity of signing McGahee to a longer term deal......otherwise I'd pass and take my chance in the draft, where good, solid talent is always available beyond "late 1st, early 2nd"

link to him being "disgruntled"? why would they get nothing? like I said, he's under contract and they can always use the franchise tag on him if they wanted to. they could also franchise him and trade him just like they did with Peerless Price when they got the 1st round pick used to draft McGahee.I think McGahee is better than any RB in this draft besides Peterson and Lynch.A 2nd might get a deal done in the end if they can find an adequate replacement for him, but I still think they'll try to get a 1st. Doing otherwise would be foolish. Heck, the Raiders held onto Jerry Porter all year when they couldn't get a 1st round pick for him. I don't think the Bills would be that stubborn, but I doubt they just give him away for a 3rd round pick either.

 

[ravnzfan]

link to him being "disgruntled"? why would they get nothing? like I said, he's under contract and they can always use the franchise tag on him if they wanted to. they could also franchise him and trade him just like they did with Peerless Price when they got the 1st round pick used to draft McGahee.I think McGahee is better than any RB in this draft besides Peterson and Lynch.

"disgruntled"...bad adjective---I seemed to remember him being "less than a happy camper"he is under contract this year and management would be nuts to give him away---a tag and trade is always a possibility...and while I aggree Peterson and Lynch offer better options than Willis at this point, we've seen time and time again how good, solid RB talent always seems to be there a round or 2 later than the pick you see as reasonable for McGaheeI'm only trying to look at this from the the other side of the table here.....we as fans always seem to over-inflate the value of "our guys"---I don't see a team making an offer of anything near the 25 to accquire him---that'd be my point

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

with McGahee going into his contract year, he'd have plenty of motivation to have a huge season. the offensive line showed signs of turning things around last year, Losman established himself as the QB of the future, Evans is probably headed for the Pro Bowl soon. I just think there's a lot of positives for this offense heading into 2007 and McGahee could have a big season. If that happened, he'd be able to command a much larger contract than he would right now. I also don't think he'd be too difficult to replace, but if they aren't going to get a quality pick in return (high 2nd or better), then they might as well just keep him. They wound up getting a 3rd for Travis Henry. I think McGahee would command a mid-2nd at worst.

I honestly am not sure how he's viewed around the league, but all it takes is one team out there who thinks he's a top-10 or top-15 type of RB.

 

[-OZ-]

As I understand it, the Bills would rather get something opposed to nothing after the fact...couple that w/the ~$7.5M tag for a disgruntled player, I doubt the Bills go that way

McGhaee was taken 22nd overall, IIRC...do you expect nearly the same in return?

a guy like Portis was taken in the 2nd...it goes on and on

I understand the passion for the home team, trust me...as a GM looking for RB help, I'd be willing to entertain something in the 50's range in exchange if there were a possiblity of signing McGahee to a longer term deal...

...otherwise I'd pass and take my chance in the draft, where good, solid talent is always available beyond "late 1st, early 2nd"

this logic amazes me. Some seem to forget that most rookies don't pan out.

 

[ravnzfan]

Buffalo could do well with some of the Giants LB or CB free-agent acquisitions and developments over the past two years.

apart from Antonio Pierce who isn't going anywhere, there isn't a single Giants LB or CB I'd want on the Bills.if McGahee does get shopped, I imagine the Bills would want a low 1st round pick for him.

First of all, Reese was asked specifically about McGahee and all he said was they would consider all options. Secondly, the Bills aren't going to get anywhere near a 1st for Willis at this point. They don't exactly have much leverage considering his recent performance and attitude. That being said, given the geriatrics you have in charge, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if that is the asking price.

And just to clarify, do you really think Losman is better than Eli or were you just making the point that statistically he had the better season?

Bills can just keep McGahee then. He's got another year left on his contract and they can franchise him afterwards. If they can't get a low 1st or high 2nd for him, they're probably better off keeping him. What do you think the price for him should be?I think Losman had a better season than Eli did this year. Going forward, I'd still expect Eli to have a better career, but I can't see how he's been anything other than a disappointment at this point. Losman, however, exceeded the expectations of most this year.

I think that some other teams would give up a high second rounder for him. The Ravens may even give up a first rounder.

with Anderson under contract, and sitting @29...why would we trade that for McGahee?

The only thing i could think of was on Draft Day with Peterson and Lynch off the board, I don't think Anderson being on the roster will effect weather or not they get another RB and I think the RB's after those 2 may be a reach at 29. Not saying it would happen, but I think he'd do well on that team.

all that is true...however, Ozzie has never made a trade of a 1st for a player, and isn't likely to start here w/this movethe Ravens as a whole have had better 1st round success than any team during their history...they use their first round picks to draft good, young solid football players that will be on the team for a long time

the only ones that haven't stayed beyond their rookie deals were Duayne Starks who stole a boatload of money from AZ the year after the Super Bowl win...and Travis Taylor, who was the only of the bunch

as far as McGahee goes...I see him playing in Buff--in the end, I doubt the Bills get a high enough pick to make a move, making all this a mute point

 

[ravnzfan]

As I understand it, the Bills would rather get something opposed to nothing after the fact...couple that w/the ~$7.5M tag for a disgruntled player, I doubt the Bills go that way

McGhaee was taken 22nd overall, IIRC...do you expect nearly the same in return?

a guy like Portis was taken in the 2nd...it goes on and on

I understand the passion for the home team, trust me...as a GM looking for RB help, I'd be willing to entertain something in the 50's range in exchange if there were a possiblity of signing McGahee to a longer term deal...

...otherwise I'd pass and take my chance in the draft, where good, solid talent is always available beyond "late 1st, early 2nd"

this logic amazes me. Some seem to forget that most rookies don't pan out.

nobody said "most rookies do pan out"

history shows that there is good, solid RB talent available later than Aaron and others have suggested trading for McGahee

with the history of high RB picks not panning out, as a GM I'd be slow to offer my first for a player whose positional life span in this league is as short as any

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

history shows that there is good, solid RB talent available later than Aaron and others have suggested trading for McGahee

with the history of high RB picks not panning out, as a GM I'd be slow to offer my first for a player whose positional life span in this league is as short as any

I'm not sure that matters. there is good talent available at every position in the 2nd round and later. the point is that some GMs would rather have a sure thing like McGahee who is already a proven performer than a draft pick, who may or may not turn out to be any good.

 

[chris1969]

As I understand it, the Bills would rather get something opposed to nothing after the fact...couple that w/the ~$7.5M tag for a disgruntled player, I doubt the Bills go that way

McGhaee was taken 22nd overall, IIRC...do you expect nearly the same in return?

a guy like Portis was taken in the 2nd...it goes on and on

I understand the passion for the home team, trust me...as a GM looking for RB help, I'd be willing to entertain something in the 50's range in exchange if there were a possiblity of signing McGahee to a longer term deal...

...otherwise I'd pass and take my chance in the draft, where good, solid talent is always available beyond "late 1st, early 2nd"

this logic amazes me. Some seem to forget that most rookies don't pan out.

nobody said "most rookies do pan out"

history shows that there is good, solid RB talent available later than Aaron and others have suggested trading for McGahee

with the history of high RB picks not panning out, as a GM I'd be slow to offer my first for a player whose positional life span in this league is as short as any

I pretty much agree with that, but I think that Balt has to try and make their Superbowl push this year. If they can't get that FA RB then I could see them trade a #1 if McGahee is motivated enough to sign a long term deal. They have to be looking for a guy they can start this year. What it comes down to is if they are on the clock with that #1 pick and they don't think a starter can fall to that #2 spot. If Willis really wants to go, then the deal could be done, if not then they'll take a chance in the second round or trade that #1 down if they can. But I'm pretty confident that if they don't get that RB in FA, they'll get it by round 2 of the draft or in a trade.

 

[Byron_nyc]

I think this makes a lot of sense for everyone, and could very well happen.

Brandon Jacobs is not a starting tailback in the NFL. He's a fullback with better-than-average vision, moves, and speed. He is going to be a Mike Alstott type player, which means he will be a great weapon but not a load-carrying tailback. His experiment at tailback that has not panned out.

Giants get a win-now option at RB, with an option at the end of 2007 to franchise tag or negotiate with a young back, who, had he not blown out his knee senior year, would have been a top-three draft pick out of college.

Buffalo could do well with some of the Giants LB or CB free-agent acquisitions and developments over the past two years.

I think Willis would show massively improved yardage stats in NY, with a bottom of 1200 yards, though TDs will continue to be vultured by Jacobs. The Giants have an elite O-line, and a dangerous passing game, and McGahee's problems -- besides a lousy attitude because the team was losing -- were lack of the top factors above. Willis McGahee has the skills to be an elite running back in this league if he stays healthy -- all he needs is the opportunity, and running behind the Giants O-line and taking play-action from Eli and Burress is just what the doctor ordered.

I don't know many people who consider the Giants O-line to be elite.

I'm one -- and no Giants fan, btw. (J-E-T-S) I'll quote you some numbers to make my point:

The G-O-line was seventh in overall rushing yards, ahead of the Broncos, Chiefs, and Steelers, among others. They were sixth in average yards/rush. By football outsides O-line rank, which I like for its sophistication, they were fourth overall last year (behind SD, JAC, and PHI).

The last three years weren't all Tiki. Tiki's a good runner, but so is Edge, and look what happened when he changed lines. -- they have good run blockers on the Giants line, and great depth. Whoever is toting the rock back there next year is going to see an uptick. .

 

[ravnzfan]

history shows that there is good, solid RB talent available later than Aaron and others have suggested trading for McGahee

with the history of high RB picks not panning out, as a GM I'd be slow to offer my first for a player whose positional life span in this league is as short as any

I'm not sure that matters. there is good talent available at every position in the 2nd round and later. the point is that some GMs would rather have a sure thing like McGahee who is already a proven performer than a draft pick, who may or may not turn out to be any good.

Dillon for a 2...Faulk for a 3&5...

when's the last time a RB was traded for a 1st? seriously...I don't recall

the point is GM's don't typically move a 1st to take a RB w/a couple miles on the tires...when you said you could see a mid-2nd at worst, I think we're finally comming to an aggrement on "what the market will bear"...

...somewhere around 50, is what I believe I said earlier

 

[ravnzfan]

I think this makes a lot of sense for everyone, and could very well happen.

Brandon Jacobs is not a starting tailback in the NFL. He's a fullback with better-than-average vision, moves, and speed. He is going to be a Mike Alstott type player, which means he will be a great weapon but not a load-carrying tailback. His experiment at tailback that has not panned out.

Giants get a win-now option at RB, with an option at the end of 2007 to franchise tag or negotiate with a young back, who, had he not blown out his knee senior year, would have been a top-three draft pick out of college.

Buffalo could do well with some of the Giants LB or CB free-agent acquisitions and developments over the past two years.

I think Willis would show massively improved yardage stats in NY, with a bottom of 1200 yards, though TDs will continue to be vultured by Jacobs. The Giants have an elite O-line, and a dangerous passing game, and McGahee's problems -- besides a lousy attitude because the team was losing -- were lack of the top factors above. Willis McGahee has the skills to be an elite running back in this league if he stays healthy -- all he needs is the opportunity, and running behind the Giants O-line and taking play-action from Eli and Burress is just what the doctor ordered.

I don't know many people who consider the Giants O-line to be elite.

I'm one -- and no Giants fan, btw. (J-E-T-S) I'll quote you some numbers to make my point:

The G-O-line was seventh in overall rushing yards, ahead of the Broncos, Chiefs, and Steelers, among others. They were sixth in average yards/rush. By football outsides O-line rank, which I like for its sophistication, they were fourth overall last year (behind SD, JAC, and PHI).

The last three years weren't all Tiki. Tiki's a good runner, but so is Edge, and look what happened when he changed lines. -- they have good run blockers on the Giants line, and great depth. Whoever is toting the rock back there next year is going to see an uptick. .

 

[ravnzfan]

As I understand it, the Bills would rather get something opposed to nothing after the fact...couple that w/the ~$7.5M tag for a disgruntled player, I doubt the Bills go that way

McGhaee was taken 22nd overall, IIRC...do you expect nearly the same in return?

a guy like Portis was taken in the 2nd...it goes on and on

I understand the passion for the home team, trust me...as a GM looking for RB help, I'd be willing to entertain something in the 50's range in exchange if there were a possiblity of signing McGahee to a longer term deal...

...otherwise I'd pass and take my chance in the draft, where good, solid talent is always available beyond "late 1st, early 2nd"

this logic amazes me. Some seem to forget that most rookies don't pan out.

nobody said "most rookies do pan out"

history shows that there is good, solid RB talent available later than Aaron and others have suggested trading for McGahee

with the history of high RB picks not panning out, as a GM I'd be slow to offer my first for a player whose positional life span in this league is as short as any

I pretty much agree with that, but I think that Balt has to try and make their Superbowl push this year. If they can't get that FA RB.....I'm pretty confident that if they don't get that RB in FA, they'll get it by round 2 of the draft or in a trade.

that's reality...trading the 1 for McGahee, not so much

 

[QUEZILLA]

I think Thomas Jones would be a better fit for the Giants. I think McGahee could end up in Baltimore.

 

[H.K.]

I think Thomas Jones would be a better fit for the Giants. I think McGahee could end up in Baltimore.

I agree. Assuming that it happens, how do you think a Jones/Jacobs workload is broken out? 65% Jones, 25-30% Jacobs, with the rest going to "other" (Ward et al) is my guess.

 

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

So other than his age, there is not a major difference between Willis McGahee and Thomas Jones of the Bears.

Jones CLEARLY AND EMPHATICALLY outperformed McGahee the past two seasons.

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/187390

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/396170

Both are entering the final year's of their contract - and both want 'new paper'.