Gado's World 2006 -- Are you on the bandwagon? (1 Viewer)

[H.K.]

Given that Green and Davenport are still hurt, doesn't that give Gaso a decent chance at getting some touches? Last I checked Green was hardly a lock to get much practice time in before the season started as he was slated to hopefully see the field in mid to late August. And last I saw Davenport was not yet cleared to play.

Davenport has had but one 100 yard rushing game in his career (out of 9 games with 10+ carries) vs 3 for Gado (out og 6 games with 10+ carries).

I'd be surprised if Green did much this year, so IMO Gado has a chance to get in the lineup.

I follow the logic, but I think too many here are assuming Gado gets the full workload with Davenport and Green back in the mix, even if they are both still less than 100%. Gado was the only game in town last year, the only way that happens agains is if both RB's ahead of him on the depth chart get hurt for a lengthy period of time again. Personally, I don't like the odds of that happening.

 

[stedman]

PackersNews.com reports Green Bay Packers offensive coordinator Jeff

Jagodzinski is looking forward to seeing what the team's running backs can do in 2006. RBs Ahman Green and Najeh Davenport are coming back from severe season-ending injuries last year. Green was one of the NFL's top five or six runners from 2001 through 2004, but after his injury Oct. 23 at Minnesota, it's almost impossible to project him getting the Packers' running game back to the upper-tier position it held when he was healthy and in his prime. The other question is whether Davenport will still have his speed after a broken ankle ended his 2005 season. It's a prospect that has to leave the Packers feeling a little uneasy after last season. "I don't know if uneasy is the word," said Jeff Jagodzinski, the Packers' offensive coordinator. "I'm looking forward to seeing what they can do. I know what Ahman can do, and if we can get him back to where he feels comfortable and confi! dent with his injury and rehab, he'll be fine." "Najeh's always been a good player, he's just never been able to stay health," Jagodzinski said. "I just think there's a question mark on how fast they come back in the preseason." RB Samkon Gado showed enough last season to suggest he's at least a capable backup and perhaps more, though he's been too indecisive in the new zone-blocking scheme that requires the backs to make one cut and go. In fact, RB Noah Herron had moved ahead of Gado with the No. 1 offense by the organized-team activities practices in June, though Gado is the superior talent.

How difficult is it for a RB to adjust to the zone-blocking scheme? Or another way to ask the question is how difficult is it to break a RB from hesitating in the hole?

 

[RC94]

PackersNews.com reports Green Bay Packers offensive coordinator Jeff

Jagodzinski is looking forward to seeing what the team's running backs can do in 2006. RBs Ahman Green and Najeh Davenport are coming back from severe season-ending injuries last year. Green was one of the NFL's top five or six runners from 2001 through 2004, but after his injury Oct. 23 at Minnesota, it's almost impossible to project him getting the Packers' running game back to the upper-tier position it held when he was healthy and in his prime. The other question is whether Davenport will still have his speed after a broken ankle ended his 2005 season. It's a prospect that has to leave the Packers feeling a little uneasy after last season. "I don't know if uneasy is the word," said Jeff Jagodzinski, the Packers' offensive coordinator. "I'm looking forward to seeing what they can do. I know what Ahman can do, and if we can get him back to where he feels comfortable and confi! dent with his injury and rehab, he'll be fine." "Najeh's always been a good player, he's just never been able to stay health," Jagodzinski said. "I just think there's a question mark on how fast they come back in the preseason." RB Samkon Gado showed enough last season to suggest he's at least a capable backup and perhaps more, though he's been too indecisive in the new zone-blocking scheme that requires the backs to make one cut and go. In fact, RB Noah Herron had moved ahead of Gado with the No. 1 offense by the organized-team activities practices in June, though Gado is the superior talent.

How difficult is it for a RB to adjust to the zone-blocking scheme? Or another way to ask the question is how difficult is it to break a RB from hesitating in the hole?

I think the saying "practice makes perfect" fits in here. If Gado continues to work hard and learn (he is still very young afterall), he will pick it up.

 

[kwille]

PackersNews.com reports Green Bay Packers offensive coordinator Jeff

Jagodzinski is looking forward to seeing what the team's running backs can do in 2006. RBs Ahman Green and Najeh Davenport are coming back from severe season-ending injuries last year. Green was one of the NFL's top five or six runners from 2001 through 2004, but after his injury Oct. 23 at Minnesota, it's almost impossible to project him getting the Packers' running game back to the upper-tier position it held when he was healthy and in his prime. The other question is whether Davenport will still have his speed after a broken ankle ended his 2005 season. It's a prospect that has to leave the Packers feeling a little uneasy after last season. "I don't know if uneasy is the word," said Jeff Jagodzinski, the Packers' offensive coordinator. "I'm looking forward to seeing what they can do. I know what Ahman can do, and if we can get him back to where he feels comfortable and confi! dent with his injury and rehab, he'll be fine." "Najeh's always been a good player, he's just never been able to stay health," Jagodzinski said. "I just think there's a question mark on how fast they come back in the preseason." RB Samkon Gado showed enough last season to suggest he's at least a capable backup and perhaps more, though he's been too indecisive in the new zone-blocking scheme that requires the backs to make one cut and go. In fact, RB Noah Herron had moved ahead of Gado with the No. 1 offense by the organized-team activities practices in June, though Gado is the superior talent.

How difficult is it for a RB to adjust to the zone-blocking scheme? Or another way to ask the question is how difficult is it to break a RB from hesitating in the hole?

More from Jags (same interview)..."(Gado) thinks too much. He overanalyzes things," Jagodzinski said. "When he didn't think about it in the first minicamp, I thought, 'This kid's going to be OK in this deal.' And then he started thinking about things rather than just hitting it up in there like he did the first camp. He'll be fine.

"When he starts getting smacked around, he'll get that thing downhill in a hurry, I promise you. He's not going to sit there second guessing himself. He's going to have to get up in there. He will. I saw him do it last year (on videotape)."

 

[Big Score]

More from Jags (same interview)...



"When he starts getting smacked around, he'll get that thing downhill in a hurry, I promise you. He's not going to sit there second guessing himself. He's going to have to get up in there. He will. I saw him do it last year (on videotape) ."

Actually, Jagodzinski saw Gado on tape and in person when Gado just annihilated Atlanta's run D, to the tune of 103 rushing yards & 3 TD's.

 

[PennState-JD]

well, everybody gashed Atlanta's run D in the second half. Hartwell was out, Lavalais got pushed around, Demorrio was out of position, and you had Boley as a rookie. Throw Brooking into the middle and the entire situation was a mess.

I wouldn't put too much stock into that single game as Atlanta's run D was pathetic in the 2nd half. It was THE reason for the 2-6 finish. Ask Caddy or Foster.

 

[Big Score]

well, everybody gashed Atlanta's run D in the second half. Hartwell was out, Lavalais got pushed around, Demorrio was out of position, and you had Boley as a rookie. Throw Brooking into the middle and the entire situation was a mess.

I wouldn't put too much stock into that single game as Atlanta's run D was pathetic in the 2nd half. It was THE reason for the 2-6 finish. Ask Caddy or Foster.

Uhhhh...the point of my post was that Jagodzinski not only saw tape on Gado, but he also got to see Gado with his own eyes.

Not sure how you managed to read anything more into it than that.

 

[kwille]

Then there is this from PackersNews.com columnist Chris Havel (July 24)

At running back, I've got to think Samkon Gado will be the primary ballcarrier. I say that because he is totally healthy, and he was the No. 1 back until his injury last season. The RB spot is iffy, no doubt, but I can't pin hopes on Green or Davenport until I see them on the field, hitting holes, cutting and breaking tackles.

 

[CravenM]

I've held on to him in a dynasty league but I'm probably going to look to trade him at the beginning of the season while his value is still relatively high.

The Packers OLine might turn out pretty dodgy this season and I suspect that might not be very good for the next few years.

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

The Packers OLine might turn out pretty dodgy this season and I suspect that might not be very good for the next few years.

I think you suspect wrong here. They have two of the best tackles in the league in Tauscher and Clifton. Scott Wells is the starting center now, and he is more than capable.You're right to be concerned about Guard, because this season two rookies could start. But, I think they'll improve some this season, and be even better next.

 

[PennState-JD]

well, everybody gashed Atlanta's run D in the second half.  Hartwell was out, Lavalais got pushed around, Demorrio was out of position, and you had Boley as a rookie.  Throw Brooking into the middle and the entire situation was a mess. 

I wouldn't put too much stock into that single game as Atlanta's run D was pathetic in the 2nd half.  It was THE reason for the 2-6 finish.  Ask Caddy or Foster.

Uhhhh...the point of my post was that Jagodzinski not only saw tape on Gado, but he also got to see Gado with his own eyes.

Not sure how you managed to read anything more into it than that.

probably had something to do with this part of the statement--

Actually, Jagodzinski saw Gado on tape and in person when Gado just annihilated Atlanta's run D, to the tune of 103 rushing yards & 3 TD's.

Point is, Jags saw a lot of backs annihilate Atlanta's D, in person, on tape, etc. What I read from your statement is that seeing a RB "annihilate" a D for close for a hundred and 3 TD's would give him a favorable opinion of Gado. If that assumption is wrong, my bad.

 

[PackerNation]

Look...I like Gado a lot and think he's got a good shot to lead the team in carries this year.......but I think there's every reason to believe that our offensive line is gonna be shaky early on, given that we're implementing a new blocking scheme and half of our offensive linemen have never played a single snap in the NFL.

Plus, you've gotta factor in that with Favre in the lineup we'll probably be playing from behind after he's turned it over a couple times and there'll be more pressure to go to the air which would limit Gado's carries.

Gado is completely recovered from his injury....in fact, he could have played in the season finale if there'd been a reason for him to do so. Green and Davenport will hopefully be reading at some point in the exhibition season.

 

[joffer]

Look...I like Gado a lot and think he's got a good shot to lead the team in carries this year.......but I think there's every reason to believe that our offensive line is gonna be shaky early on, given that we're implementing a new blocking scheme and half of our offensive linemen have never played a single snap in the NFL.Plus, you've gotta factor in that with Favre in the lineup we'll probably be playing from behind after he's turned it over a couple times and there'll be more pressure to go to the air which would limit Gado's carries.

i don't think anyone's disputing either of those points, but the fact remains that you can get the guy in the 9th/10th round right now, five rounds after Green.

 

[Kleck.]

Look...I like Gado a lot and think he's got a good shot to lead the team in carries this year.......but I think there's every reason to believe that our offensive line is gonna be shaky early on, given that we're implementing a new blocking scheme and half of our offensive linemen have never played a single snap in the NFL.

Plus, you've gotta factor in that with Favre in the lineup we'll probably be playing from behind after he's turned it over a couple times and there'll be more pressure to go to the air which would limit Gado's carries.

i don't think anyone's disputing either of those points, but the fact remains that you can get the guy in the 9th/10th round right now, five rounds after Green.

I don't trust either of their ADP's right now becuase of the difference in range I've seen them being picked. the newest FBG ADP has Green at #64 or 6.04 and Gado #111 or 10.03. In the drafts I have followed, Green's seems to be accurate and has been consistantly taken in the 5th/6th round, but Gado has been all over the place. In the eight No Mercy drafts, Green was taken in the 5th four times and 6th four times, ranging from picks 5.04-6.10. Gado was taken in the 7th once, the 9th three times, the 10th three times, and the 11th once, ranging from picks 7.03-11.12. I didn't look closely enough to see how many of the Gado picks were handcuffs to Green, but I do know LHUCKS did it with Green at 6.10 and Gado at 7.03 in the maggot draft.

 

[joffer]

Look...I like Gado a lot and think he's got a good shot to lead the team in carries this year.......but I think there's every reason to believe that our offensive line is gonna be shaky early on, given that we're implementing a new blocking scheme and half of our offensive linemen have never played a single snap in the NFL.

Plus, you've gotta factor in that with Favre in the lineup we'll probably be playing from behind after he's turned it over a couple times and there'll be more pressure to go to the air which would limit Gado's carries.

i don't think anyone's disputing either of those points, but the fact remains that you can get the guy in the 9th/10th round right now, five rounds after Green.

I don't trust either of their ADP's right now. Green seems to be more consistantly taken in the 5th/6th round, but Gado has been all over the place.In the eight No Mercy drafts, Green was taken in the 5th four times and 6th four times, ranging from picks 5.04-6.10. Gado was taken in the 7th once, the 9th three times, the 10th three times, and the 11th once, ranging from picks 7.03-11.12. I didn't look closely enough to see how many of the Gado picks were handcuffs to Green, but I do know LHUCKS did it with Green at 6.10 and Gado at 7.03 in the maggot draft.

LHUCKS clearly reached Gado has been pretty consistently going in the 9th/10th over in xpert survivor drafts. i know because i'm the one that keeps drafting him

 

[Big Score]

well, everybody gashed Atlanta's run D in the second half.  Hartwell was out, Lavalais got pushed around, Demorrio was out of position, and you had Boley as a rookie.  Throw Brooking into the middle and the entire situation was a mess.  I wouldn't put too much stock into that single game as Atlanta's run D was pathetic in the 2nd half.  It was THE reason for the 2-6 finish.  Ask Caddy or Foster.

Uhhhh...the point of my post was that Jagodzinski not only saw tape on Gado, but he also got to see Gado with his own eyes.

Not sure how you managed to read anything more into it than that.

probably had something to do with this part of the statement--

Actually' date=' Jagodzinski saw Gado on tape and in person when Gado just annihilated Atlanta's run D, to the tune of 103 rushing yards & 3 TD's.[/quote']

Yeah, you definitely only saw what you wanted to see.

You cherry picked what you wanted from the post, completely ignoring the BOLD & ITALICS in that post and the BOLD & ITALICS in the post being responding to.

This is for future reference, as it seems you were unaware.

When a person uses BOLD in a post and then for added clarity, ITALICS, it's usually a pretty good clue that they're trying to draw attention to that particular part of the post, as being the most relevant. An even better clue is if they're responding to a previous post and have also BOLDED some part of it.

Here's the original quote & response again, but this time I've added underlining for extra, extra, extra emphasis on the part of the quote I was responding to & my subsequent response;

More from Jags (same interview)...

"When he starts getting smacked around, he'll get that thing downhill in a hurry, I promise you. He's not going to sit there second guessing himself. He's going to have to get up in there. He will. I saw him do it last year (on videotape) ."

Actually, Jagodzinski saw Gado on tape and in person when Gado just annihilated Atlanta's run D, to the tune of 103 rushing yards & 3 TD's.

Point is, Jags saw a lot of backs annihilate Atlanta's D, in person, on tape, etc.

While what you say above is true, Jagodzinski is not Coaching any of those other backs that ran against Atlanta, is he?

However, we do know he is Coaching Gado and again, my point was to show people who may not have been aware, that besides having tape on Gado, Jagodzinski also got to see what Gado could do with his own eyes.

If Jagodzinski had been on the Bears Coaching staff last year, I would've said;

Actually, Jagodzinski saw Gado on tape and in person when Gado put up 75 yards & a TD on the NFL's #2 D.

I would've said this if Jagodzinski had been on the Steelers Coaching staff last year;

Actually, Jagodzinski saw Gado on tape and in person when after only being with Green Bay for a few days and on his first ever NFL start, going up against the NFL's #4 D, Gado ran for 62 yards & 1 TD.

I would've said this if Jagodzinski had been on the Lions Coaching staff last year;

Actually, Jagodzinski saw Gado on tape and in person when Gado just beat the Lions run D like a red headed step child, rushing for 171 yards & 1 TD.

I would've said this if Jagodzinski had been on the Ravens Coaching staff last year;

Actually, Jagodzinski saw Gado on tape and in person when Gado ripped the Ravens 5th ranked D for 45 yards rushing, on only 6 carries.

In every example listed above, the point would have been to show those who were unaware, that Jagodzinski not only had tape on Gado, but Jagodzinski had seen what could do Gado in person in 2005.

Conversely, Jagodzinski did not get to see Green, Davenport or Herron in person last year.

Maybe not a big deal, but I felt it worth mentioning, as this is an entirely new Coaching staff.

 

[Kleck.]

Look...I like Gado a lot and think he's got a good shot to lead the team in carries this year.......but I think there's every reason to believe that our offensive line is gonna be shaky early on, given that we're implementing a new blocking scheme and half of our offensive linemen have never played a single snap in the NFL.

Plus, you've gotta factor in that with Favre in the lineup we'll probably be playing from behind after he's turned it over a couple times and there'll be more pressure to go to the air which would limit Gado's carries.

i don't think anyone's disputing either of those points, but the fact remains that you can get the guy in the 9th/10th round right now, five rounds after Green.

I don't trust either of their ADP's right now. Green seems to be more consistantly taken in the 5th/6th round, but Gado has been all over the place.In the eight No Mercy drafts, Green was taken in the 5th four times and 6th four times, ranging from picks 5.04-6.10. Gado was taken in the 7th once, the 9th three times, the 10th three times, and the 11th once, ranging from picks 7.03-11.12. I didn't look closely enough to see how many of the Gado picks were handcuffs to Green, but I do know LHUCKS did it with Green at 6.10 and Gado at 7.03 in the maggot draft.

LHUCKS clearly reached Gado has been pretty consistently going in the 9th/10th over in xpert survivor drafts. i know because i'm the one that keeps drafting him

In that case, the 9th/10th is spot on.

 

[phillzphan]

Shucks. No good info yet to speak of for Gado just yet. Wonder if anyone saw him run with the first team at camp?

 

[Red Apples]

In.

 

[Righetti]

August 14, 2006, 21:58

Packers :: RB

Packers RB Gado's Groin Injury Not Serious

Mike Spofford, Packers.com - [Full Article]

Green Bay Packers running back Samkon Gado received good news on Monday, when it was determined that the groin injury suffered during Saturday's preseason game against the San Diego Chargers was simply a muscle pull and not a tear. "They didn't give me a time frame," Gado said. "It could be days, it could be weeks, you just never know with groins. It all depends on how you attack the training and the rehab. The rule of thumb is they wait 48 hours before they start doing anything, and it hasn't been 48 hours yet. But if I feel this good before 48 hours, I feel very optimistic about getting back on the field real soon."

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

 

[phillzphan]

While I love how other people on FBG see this as an upgrade, I really don't. Even as starter of this thread I'm a little down on Gado right now.