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Bob Costas had a great interview on his Studio 42 MLB Network show with three long-time umpires.They said the #1 myth about umpires is that a "tie goes to the runner." They said you are either safe or out... there are no ties.Tie goes to the runner 100% of the time, perfect game or not.
I do agree with this. If it was a tie, Joyce should make the safe call.
uh, no. he has to have control of the ball, just like footballWe've all made snowcone catches. Some of them you have control immediately. Others you really don't have control of until you move the ball into the center of the glove. It is very difficult to tell the difference.If this were any other out (not the last out for a perfect game) we'd be saying this was a borderline call, not a horrible call.
PerhapsI'm not gonna lose much sleepBut this guy's life is gonna be a mess for a while, regardless. Like Hochuli after his flagrantly awful game-losing call a couple years ago. It will pass. From what I know Joyce is a good ump.
Easy tiger. I didn't say he was safe.
Link to any play where they got there at the same time and the runner's called out? I'll wait...Bob Costas had a great interview on his Studio 42 MLB Network show with three long-time umpires.They said the #1 myth about umpires is that a "tie goes to the runner." They said you are either safe or out... there are no ties.
relax guys. I agree 100% that he was out. Just trying to figure out the umps moronic call.
Tiger homers are a little sensitive tonight...can't say as I blame them.
Leyland said in his post game that Joyce told him that he called it based on Donald beating the ball (not related to a bobble or coming off the bag).
I got what you were doing but still don't think bobble is the right way to say it since it implies to those not seeing the play that there might have been a loss of control. I do think maybe the ump saw the guy reposition the ball and that played into his choice.
Really, the player did not even act like he was safe.
Figured it would be here, and there it ishttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_games
Denkinger esque...
THERE ARE NO TIES!!!! That is why there is a safe or out call. There is no 50/50 and no umpire worth a #### is trained to think the call goes to the runner. Plenty of "ties" are out calls and this close play should have been one of them. Awful.Tie goes to the runner 100% of the time, perfect game or not.
OK, I thought maybe Tiger homers would be more upset. I get that every fan would like to see it. It is a shame that the kid was robbed by Joyce. He's a good ump.
Jim?
So you're saying that in 130+ years of baseball, there has NEVER been a time when the ball and the runner didn't get there at the same time? Fascinating...THERE ARE NO TIES!!!! That is why there is a safe or out call. There is no 50/50 and no umpire worth a #### is trained to think the call goes to the runner. Plenty of "ties" are out calls and this close play should have been one of them. Awful.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsTVH_F_qGoLink to any play where they got there at the same time and the runner's called out? I'll wait...Bob Costas had a great interview on his Studio 42 MLB Network show with three long-time umpires.They said the #1 myth about umpires is that a "tie goes to the runner." They said you are either safe or out... there are no ties.
Nope... not once. How many times has the umpire called a tie and replayed the last at bat? Or stopped the game and called a tie.So you're saying that in 130+ years of baseball, there has NEVER been a time when the ball and the runner didn't get there at the same time? Fascinating...THERE ARE NO TIES!!!! That is why there is a safe or out call. There is no 50/50 and no umpire worth a #### is trained to think the call goes to the runner. Plenty of "ties" are out calls and this close play should have been one of them. Awful.
Link to any play where they got there at the same time and the runner's called out? I'll wait...Bob Costas had a great interview on his Studio 42 MLB Network show with three long-time umpires.They said the #1 myth about umpires is that a "tie goes to the runner." They said you are either safe or out... there are no ties.
Wow...in thousands of games, the ball and the runner have never reached first at the same time in your opinion? I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, I guess.Nope... not once. How many times has the umpire called a tie and replayed the last at bat? Or stopped the game and called a tie.So you're saying that in 130+ years of baseball, there has NEVER been a time when the ball and the runner didn't get there at the same time? Fascinating...THERE ARE NO TIES!!!! That is why there is a safe or out call. There is no 50/50 and no umpire worth a #### is trained to think the call goes to the runner. Plenty of "ties" are out calls and this close play should have been one of them. Awful.
Joyce's bad call didn't cost a team a World Series victory. Still sucks, though. The runner clearly looked to be out. Ouch.
Oof....almost feel bad for the guy.
Ball was there first. Ump blew the call...Link to any play where they got there at the same time and the runner's called out? I'll wait...Bob Costas had a great interview on his Studio 42 MLB Network show with three long-time umpires.They said the #1 myth about umpires is that a "tie goes to the runner." They said you are either safe or out... there are no ties.
Tie goes to the runner 100% of the time, perfect game or not.
Almost? You have to feel bad for him. No one is perfect, and at least he owned up to it immediately. I am sure that will haunt him for a long time, and Tigers fans will hate him forever, but #### happens.
I feel worse for GalarragaAt least he wont be known as the worst pitcher to ever throw a PG
Cliche as it may be, we are indeed human. The guy owned up to it, and it sucks, but credit for not duckng or denying.
That would be like feeling sorry for the homeliest Supermodel.At least he wont be known as the worst pitcher to ever throw a PG
I feel for him. You can be mad at the guy but when you get down to it he's human and simply made a (huge) mistake. Major credit to him for owning up to it though.Still no idea what he was really thinking though. The play was so close that you really almost have to bow to history there and call him out.
I felt like this should have gotten a little love before this whole mess happenedBrilliant. Put a guy on, turn back the earth, get the ******* outStupid Tigers TV announcer:
"He has literally been Superman tonight."
Everybody makes mistakes. Joyce stood there after the game was over and let Leyland lay into him, then owned up to it after the game.
Miggy too. 9/10 of these knobs would have tossed himLet's face it, this is really JIM'S tragedy
If he was a jew in palestine they would have nailed him to a cross.
Holy ####, is Jim Joyce THE ONE??
I just asked HIM. I'll keep you updated.
The rule actually speaks to the "tie". It says the ball must BEAT the player to the bag. So, in a tie, the ball doesn't beat the runner.Nope... not once. How many times has the umpire called a tie and replayed the last at bat? Or stopped the game and called a tie.So you're saying that in 130+ years of baseball, there has NEVER been a time when the ball and the runner didn't get there at the same time? Fascinating...THERE ARE NO TIES!!!! That is why there is a safe or out call. There is no 50/50 and no umpire worth a #### is trained to think the call goes to the runner. Plenty of "ties" are out calls and this close play should have been one of them. Awful.
I've never felt a more appropriate time to use theMiggy too. 9/10 of these knobs would have tossed himLet's face it, this is really JIM'S tragedy
Jesus, I can't believe how quickly Joyce has turned into some poor victim in all of this.
What do you want him to do? Put a shotgun in his mouth?Guy made a huge mistake, apologized to the main "victim" (couldn't think of a better word) and then came out and told the media he ####ed up. Would you like for his bloody corpse to be stoned on Main Street?Michael Brown said:I've never felt a more appropriate time to use theJZilla said:Miggy too. 9/10 of these knobs would have tossed himLet's face it, this is really JIM'S tragedyComer said:Smack Tripper said:Jesus, I can't believe how quickly Joyce has turned into some poor victim in all of this.
How can there be a tie if a distinct call is made and the call stands no matter what? Joyce made the wrong call tonight and even admitted so. Does that change it? No. So how can a theoretical tie go to the runner. It doesn't, it is plainly at the discretion of the umpire. Anyone who yells out tie goes to the runner is the equivalent to a little league dad who doesn't understand the game of baseball. Theoretical ties are called out all the time.Bojang0301 said:Nope... not once. How many times has the umpire called a tie and replayed the last at bat? Or stopped the game and called a tie.Tom Servo said:So you're saying that in 130+ years of baseball, there has NEVER been a time when the ball and the runner didn't get there at the same time? Fascinating...Bojang0301 said:THERE ARE NO TIES!!!! That is why there is a safe or out call. There is no 50/50 and no umpire worth a #### is trained to think the call goes to the runner. Plenty of "ties" are out calls and this close play should have been one of them. Awful.Tom Servo said:ianfitzy said:
He is not a victim. But, considering we live in an age where personal accountability seems to be a thing of the past, for a guy to own up to such a huge mistake so quickly is something that people will take notice of. He is not the victim - Galarraga is, as he lost the perfect game - but Joyce is not the devil either.Michael Brown said:
