Game of Thrones Crossover Thread (1 Viewer)

[jamny]

Talk about the TV show and the book DOES exist. Try not to spoil anything major. Obviously there will be some minor things revealed that might not even come in to play on the show but will help in understanding things to non book readers. Use spoiler tags if you feel the need.

WARNING: There will be spoilers. It's inevitable. Don't cry when it happens.

I liked the original thread but it was understandable to make the split. I've tried venturing into the book thread but of course it has spoilers. I haven't read the books but have a lot of questions about them.

Where is this TV series in the timeline of the books? It seems like everyone is waiting for RRRR to finish the story. Will one more book be enough to end it?

 

[Ilov80s]

I like the idea, but I just don't trust those book readers.

 

[Mister CIA]

The Marty McFly thread, eh? No Biff's and George's allowed.

I love Fargo.

 

[Raider Nation]

I want a thread for people who only watched season 2 and only read half of the first book.

 

[jamny]

I want a thread for people who only watched season 2 and only read half of the first book.

Hmmmmm...message board sub-folders.

eta: sortable

 

[jamny]

I like the idea, but I just don't trust those book readers.

I'm sure there will be some minor spoilers,

Hopefully nothing major.

 

[jamny]

What do you think about the casting compared to the characters in the book?

 

[Ilov80s]

I like the idea, but I just don't trust those book readers.

I'm sure there will be some minor spoilers,

Hopefully nothing major.

Jammy, I put my faith in you.

 

[strykerpks]

This has trainwreck written all over it. But I'll try to answer the OP without spoiling anything

For the most part we're at the end of book 3 (out of 5 released). Allegedly there are 2 more books to be written but he's gotta tighten up some things. That said, books 4 and 5 essentially happen at the same time. And the show hasn't been linear. It can jump ahead a bit. I think this is due to the show actually showing events, with those events happening in inner monologue or through hearsay in the books. Also there are quite a few elements from this past season that are story arcs in books 4 and 5.

 

[strykerpks]

DIsclaimer, I powered through the books from about December to March. I am by no means an expert and much of the book thread stuff flies right over my head.

 

[derek245583]

This has trainwreck written all over it. But I'll try to answer the OP without spoiling anything

For the most part we're at the end of book 3 (out of 5 released). Allegedly there are 2 more books to be written but he's gotta tighten up some things. That said, books 4 and 5 essentially happen at the same time. And the show hasn't been linear. It can jump ahead a bit. I think this is due to the show actually showing events, with those events happening in inner monologue or through hearsay in the books. Also there are quite a few elements from this past season that are story arcs in books 4 and 5.

This is pretty accurate

Alot of the Ramsey and Reek story is book 5 and that started a heck of a long time ago on HBO if I remember correctly.

 

[jamny]

I like the idea, but I just don't trust those book readers.

I'm sure there will be some minor spoilers,

Hopefully nothing major.

Jammy, I put my faith in you.

Well get my ####in name right!

 

[jamny]

This has trainwreck written all over it. But I'll try to answer the OP without spoiling anything

For the most part we're at the end of book 3 (out of 5 released). Allegedly there are 2 more books to be written but he's gotta tighten up some things. That said, books 4 and 5 essentially happen at the same time. And the show hasn't been linear. It can jump ahead a bit. I think this is due to the show actually showing events, with those events happening in inner monologue or through hearsay in the books. Also there are quite a few elements from this past season that are story arcs in books 4 and 5.

This is pretty accurate

Alot of the Ramsey and Reek story is book 5 and that started a heck of a long time ago on HBO if I remember correctly.

This has trainwreck written all over it. But I'll try to answer the OP without spoiling anything

For the most part we're at the end of book 3 (out of 5 released). Allegedly there are 2 more books to be written but he's gotta tighten up some things. That said, books 4 and 5 essentially happen at the same time. And the show hasn't been linear. It can jump ahead a bit. I think this is due to the show actually showing events, with those events happening in inner monologue or through hearsay in the books. Also there are quite a few elements from this past season that are story arcs in books 4 and 5.

This is pretty accurate

Alot of the Ramsey and Reek story is book 5 and that started a heck of a long time ago on HBO if I remember correctly.

Good starting point.

So the reek/ramsey thing hasn't really started yet in the books. What was he doing this whole time?

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

This has trainwreck written all over it. But I'll try to answer the OP without spoiling anything

For the most part we're at the end of book 3 (out of 5 released). Allegedly there are 2 more books to be written but he's gotta tighten up some things. That said, books 4 and 5 essentially happen at the same time. And the show hasn't been linear. It can jump ahead a bit. I think this is due to the show actually showing events, with those events happening in inner monologue or through hearsay in the books. Also there are quite a few elements from this past season that are story arcs in books 4 and 5.

This is pretty accurate

Alot of the Ramsey and Reek story is book 5 and that started a heck of a long time ago on HBO if I remember correctly.

This has trainwreck written all over it. But I'll try to answer the OP without spoiling anything

For the most part we're at the end of book 3 (out of 5 released). Allegedly there are 2 more books to be written but he's gotta tighten up some things. That said, books 4 and 5 essentially happen at the same time. And the show hasn't been linear. It can jump ahead a bit. I think this is due to the show actually showing events, with those events happening in inner monologue or through hearsay in the books. Also there are quite a few elements from this past season that are story arcs in books 4 and 5.

This is pretty accurate

Alot of the Ramsey and Reek story is book 5 and that started a heck of a long time ago on HBO if I remember correctly.

Good starting point.So the reek/ramsey thing hasn't really started yet in the books. What was he doing this whole time?

Each chapter in the book is from a specific characters perspective. So sometimes people just aren't involved and you only know what you piece together from what one character at a time learns or observes.

 

[jamny]

Who is better? Book Tyrion or TV Tyrion?

 

[Ilov80s]

I like the idea, but I just don't trust those book readers.

I'm sure there will be some minor spoilers,

Hopefully nothing major.

Jammy, I put my faith in you.

Well get my ####in name right!

Ok, trust circle is broken.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Who is better? Book Tyrion or TV Tyrion?

I would give a slight edge to book tyrion. dicklage is too good looking.

 

[KarmaPolice]

DIsclaimer, I powered through the books from about December to March. I am by no means an expert and much of the book thread stuff flies right over my head.

I am rereading them and on book two. I am with you, and read books 4 & 5 way too quickly and nothing sank in.

 

[KarmaPolice]

What do you think about the casting compared to the characters in the book?

I think they did a fantastic job with casting.

there are some actors who don't look like their portrayals in the books: mentioned dinklage, and I believe tywin was muscular, and bald except for some golden mutton chops. but who cares when the performances have been so damn good?

 

[sn0mm1s]

I have read the series several times (got into it when the 2nd book was released). The problem with this thread is that you need to be very specific with the questions you want answered - and to the depth you want them answered.

Where is this TV series in the timeline of the books?

Most are at or near the end of book 3. Brienne, Bran, Dany, and Theon/Ramsay are closer to the ends of books 4 and 5. Actually, Dany is more at the beginning of book 5.

It seems like everyone is waiting for RRRR to finish the story. Will one more book be enough to end it?

One more book will likely not be enough. GRRM expects the series to be 7 books. I have heard rumors that his editor thinks 8.

What do you think about the casting compared to the characters in the book?

Not a fan of Yara (show) or Asha (book) Greyjoy. The others have been pretty good.

Who is better? Book Tyrion or TV Tyrion?

Book Tyrion by far. The TV show is a great character but a lot of great scenes and lines have been cut out.

 

[jamny]

Nice sn0

 

[jamny]

Sp what was different about book Tyrion?

 

[sn0mm1s]

Sp what was different about book Tyrion?

Book Tyrion is described as pretty ugly. Mismatched eyes, bulbous head, rather than just a scar (TV) his nose was cutoff at the Blackwater.

Also, with the way the books are structured (each chapter is from the viewpoint of a single character), the qualities you come to like/hate for each character are fleshed out to a much greater detail in the books.

IMO, the writers have done a fantastic job adapting the material to TV. However, I think they dropped the ball a few times in regards to Tyrion and especially Arya.

 

[aardball44]

The TV show already showed the Yellow Wedding, right? I haven't been watching.

 

[shuke]

What do you think about the casting compared to the characters in the book?

Dinklage not repulsive enough to play Tyrion. Other than that it's been great.

 

[Ilov80s]

The TV show already showed the Yellow Wedding, right? I haven't been watching.

Not sure if this a joke, but I'm out. If people aren't up to date on the show, they can't be trusted.

 

[shuke]

The TV show already showed the Yellow Wedding, right? I haven't been watching.

Not sure if this a joke, but I'm out. If people aren't up to date on the show, they can't be trusted.

He's kidding.

 

[Frostillicus]

Sp what was different about book Tyrion?

Book Tyrion is described as pretty ugly. Mismatched eyes, bulbous head, rather than just a scar (TV) his nose was cutoff at the Blackwater.

Also, with the way the books are structured (each chapter is from the viewpoint of a single character), the qualities you come to like/hate for each character are fleshed out to a much greater detail in the books.

IMO, the writers have done a fantastic job adapting the material to TV. However, I think they dropped the ball a few times in regards to Tyrion and especially Arya.

Interesting as I think Arya has been great. What don't you like?

 

[jamny]

What do you think about the casting compared to the characters in the book?

Dinklage not repulsive enough to play Tyrion. Other than that it's been great.

So was he completely hideous and could only get whores?

 

[strykerpks]

What do you think about the casting compared to the characters in the book?

Dinklage not repulsive enough to play Tyrion. Other than that it's been great.

So was he completely hideous and could only get whores?

This goes back to exactly how much back story you really want. I don't think anything would be spoiled but the portrayal of certain things would be much different.

I'm getting drunk so I"m going to bow out for a while. Unless I decide not to.

 

[jamny]

What do you think about the casting compared to the characters in the book?

Dinklage not repulsive enough to play Tyrion. Other than that it's been great.

So was he completely hideous and could only get whores?

This goes back to exactly how much back story you really want. I don't think anything would be spoiled but the portrayal of certain things would be much different.

I'm getting drunk so I"m going to bow out for a while. Unless I decide not to.

Bring it!

I'd like to hear what readers think of Tyrion up to this point.

 

[strykerpks]

What do you think about the casting compared to the characters in the book?

Dinklage not repulsive enough to play Tyrion. Other than that it's been great.

So was he completely hideous and could only get whores?

This goes back to exactly how much back story you really want. I don't think anything would be spoiled but the portrayal of certain things would be much different.

I'm getting drunk so I"m going to bow out for a while. Unless I decide not to.

Bring it!

I'd like to hear what readers think of Tyrion up to this point.

Probably need another thread for this since I had 3 seasons of Tyrion in my head before I read the books. But I agree with previous postings

Set us up the "Watched the show but then read the books" thread and I'm your guy

 

[KarmaPolice]

What do you think about the casting compared to the characters in the book?

Dinklage not repulsive enough to play Tyrion. Other than that it's been great.

So was he completely hideous and could only get whores?

This goes back to exactly how much back story you really want. I don't think anything would be spoiled but the portrayal of certain things would be much different.

I'm getting drunk so I"m going to bow out for a while. Unless I decide not to.

Bring it!

I'd like to hear what readers think of Tyrion up to this point.

To me, it isn't so much with the Dinklage, but it is more on the writing. Obviously there isn't enough time to go into everything in the book, but some of the omissions from the book to the show have been a little curious. A recent example is why did Tyrion double back in the show after Jamie let him out? In the book there was a great reason and a great scene that proceeded it with his brother.

Incidents like this have been increasing in the last couple seasons, and will only become more and more. I am all for them doing their own thing and all, but I do like to think about what choices they made and why. Some differences are great, and added amazing scenes and more on certain characters: in the show Tywin is enhanced, so was Oberyn and the Queen of Thorns and those were great. They have also added great scenes that weren't in the book like: Robert and Cersei talking about their relationship in S1, Tywin and Arya in Harrenhall, The Queen of Thorns and damn near everybody, etc.. all scenes I have loved. The only time I really scratch my head is when they add something I didn't really love - waxing nostalgic about beetles, and leave out something that could have been in it's place - a little backstory on Tyrion. I also think they whiffed big time on Jon/Ygrette, not that I really loved that in the book either.

Since it is told in POV in the books, it is really hard to get all the backstory and motivations of the characters. For the most part, I think they have done a masterful job.

 

[sn0mm1s]

Sp what was different about book Tyrion?

Book Tyrion is described as pretty ugly. Mismatched eyes, bulbous head, rather than just a scar (TV) his nose was cutoff at the Blackwater.

Also, with the way the books are structured (each chapter is from the viewpoint of a single character), the qualities you come to like/hate for each character are fleshed out to a much greater detail in the books.

IMO, the writers have done a fantastic job adapting the material to TV. However, I think they dropped the ball a few times in regards to Tyrion and especially Arya.

Interesting as I think Arya has been great. What don't you like?

Spoiler

Arya killing the Tickler is one of the best scenes in all of the books - that was replaced with her killing Raff the Sweetling in a totally different fashion.

GRRM has released a WOW chapter with Arya and Raff which is insanely good - which cannot be done now.

Arya killing the guard to escape Harrenhal is a great scene as well (and she uses the iron coin to do it).

The Arya naming Jaqen scene was changed the original took place in the Godswood and led to the Weasel soup - neither happened.

I don't think we have seen any of her wolf dreams - although I am not entirely certain.

 

[fruity pebbles]

what was the relationship between arya and the hound like in the book? seemed like they grew closer in the tv show but then they kind of took the carpet out from beneath viewers when she left him there to die. more animosity in the book between the 2?

 

[Uruk-Hai]

This has trainwreck written all over it. But I'll try to answer the OP without spoiling anything

For the most part we're at the end of book 3 (out of 5 released). Allegedly there are 2 more books to be written but he's gotta tighten up some things. That said, books 4 and 5 essentially happen at the same time. And the show hasn't been linear. It can jump ahead a bit. I think this is due to the show actually showing events, with those events happening in inner monologue or through hearsay in the books. Also there are quite a few elements from this past season that are story arcs in books 4 and 5.

This is pretty accurate

Alot of the Ramsey and Reek story is book 5 and that started a heck of a long time ago on HBO if I remember correctly.

This has trainwreck written all over it. But I'll try to answer the OP without spoiling anything

For the most part we're at the end of book 3 (out of 5 released). Allegedly there are 2 more books to be written but he's gotta tighten up some things. That said, books 4 and 5 essentially happen at the same time. And the show hasn't been linear. It can jump ahead a bit. I think this is due to the show actually showing events, with those events happening in inner monologue or through hearsay in the books. Also there are quite a few elements from this past season that are story arcs in books 4 and 5.

This is pretty accurate

Alot of the Ramsey and Reek story is book 5 and that started a heck of a long time ago on HBO if I remember correctly.

Good starting point.

So the reek/ramsey thing hasn't really started yet in the books. What was he doing this whole time?

The Ramsey/Reek stuff happened DURING the time the last couple of seasons of the TV show covered, but didn't have "real time" chapters in the books covering it.

 

[Freelove]

What do you think about the casting compared to the characters in the book?

Dinklage not repulsive enough to play Tyrion. Other than that it's been great.

So was he completely hideous and could only get whores?

This goes back to exactly how much back story you really want. I don't think anything would be spoiled but the portrayal of certain things would be much different.

I'm getting drunk so I"m going to bow out for a while. Unless I decide not to.

Bring it!

I'd like to hear what readers think of Tyrion up to this point.

To me, it isn't so much with the Dinklage, but it is more on the writing. Obviously there isn't enough time to go into everything in the book, but some of the omissions from the book to the show have been a little curious. A recent example is why did Tyrion double back in the show after Jamie let him out? In the book there was a great reason and a great scene that proceeded it with his brother.

Incidents like this have been increasing in the last couple seasons, and will only become more and more. I am all for them doing their own thing and all, but I do like to think about what choices they made and why. Some differences are great, and added amazing scenes and more on certain characters: in the show Tywin is enhanced, so was Oberyn and the Queen of Thorns and those were great. They have also added great scenes that weren't in the book like: Robert and Cersei talking about their relationship in S1, Tywin and Arya in Harrenhall, The Queen of Thorns and damn near everybody, etc.. all scenes I have loved. The only time I really scratch my head is when they add something I didn't really love - waxing nostalgic about beetles, and leave out something that could have been in it's place - a little backstory on Tyrion. I also think they whiffed big time on Jon/Ygrette, not that I really loved that in the book either.

Since it is told in POV in the books, it is really hard to get all the backstory and motivations of the characters. For the most part, I think they have done a masterful job.

Since that's already passed in the show, and my wife and I were wondering about his reasons (eventually just wrote it off as his pent up rage against/resentment of his father being too much for him to overcome without confronting him...then the stuff with his whore being too much for him to take and causing the homicidal snap), can you outline in brief what the book story was? Spoiler tag it for safety, maybe, in case they come back to it next season? (I don't care if I get minorly spoiled.)

 

[Uruk-Hai]

what was the relationship between arya and the hound like in the book? seemed like they grew closer in the tv show but then they kind of took the carpet out from beneath viewers when she left him there to die. more animosity in the book between the 2?

Yes, at least in my opinion. But you have to keep in mind that the books are structured such that each chapter is told from a particular character's point-of-view so, when reading, you're seeing things through that character's eyes/mind. There's no way to show that on TV - you're on the outside looking in. I actually like the way the TV show has portrayed them, though it's a little different than the book.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

What do you think about the casting compared to the characters in the book?

I think they did a fantastic job with casting.

there are some actors who don't look like their portrayals in the books: mentioned dinklage, and I believe tywin was muscular, and bald except for some golden mutton chops. but who cares when the performances have been so damn good?

Agreed. I'm trying to think of another cast in recent memory that came into a show with as much prestige as this one did - not necessarily in America, but abroad. You can't swing a dead Cat without hitting an award-winner on Game Of Thrones.

I think Kit Harrington & Emelia Clarke are a little below the standards of the rest of the main cast, but I also think some of that is due to the way their characters are written.

They hit home runs with just about everyone else, IMO.

 

[psychobillies]

What do you think about the casting compared to the characters in the book?

I think they did a fantastic job with casting.there are some actors who don't look like their portrayals in the books: mentioned dinklage, and I believe tywin was muscular, and bald except for some golden mutton chops. but who cares when the performances have been so damn good?

Agreed. I'm trying to think of another cast in recent memory that came into a show with as much prestige as this one did - not necessarily in America, but abroad. You can't swing a dead Cat without hitting an award-winner on Game Of Thrones.I think Kit Harrington & Emelia Clarke are a little below the standards of the rest of the main cast, but I also think some of that is due to the way their characters are written.

They hit home runs with just about everyone else, IMO.

I'm not a fan of TV Stannis. Not really how I pictured him from the books. They made up for it with a perfect casting of Davos.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

What do you think about the casting compared to the characters in the book?

I think they did a fantastic job with casting.there are some actors who don't look like their portrayals in the books: mentioned dinklage, and I believe tywin was muscular, and bald except for some golden mutton chops. but who cares when the performances have been so damn good?

Agreed. I'm trying to think of another cast in recent memory that came into a show with as much prestige as this one did - not necessarily in America, but abroad. You can't swing a dead Cat without hitting an award-winner on Game Of Thrones.I think Kit Harrington & Emelia Clarke are a little below the standards of the rest of the main cast, but I also think some of that is due to the way their characters are written.

They hit home runs with just about everyone else, IMO.

I'm not a fan of TV Stannis. Not really how I pictured him from the books. They made up for it with a perfect casting of Davos.

I don't have much of a problem with the actor they cast for Stannis, but agree that the way he's been written is a little off.

IMO, Stannis looks more the way I pictured him than Davos does, but I agree again that Cunningham is nails with what he's given to work with.

 

[sn0mm1s]

What do you think about the casting compared to the characters in the book?

Dinklage not repulsive enough to play Tyrion. Other than that it's been great.

So was he completely hideous and could only get whores?

This goes back to exactly how much back story you really want. I don't think anything would be spoiled but the portrayal of certain things would be much different.

I'm getting drunk so I"m going to bow out for a while. Unless I decide not to.

Bring it!

I'd like to hear what readers think of Tyrion up to this point.

To me, it isn't so much with the Dinklage, but it is more on the writing. Obviously there isn't enough time to go into everything in the book, but some of the omissions from the book to the show have been a little curious. A recent example is why did Tyrion double back in the show after Jamie let him out? In the book there was a great reason and a great scene that proceeded it with his brother.

Incidents like this have been increasing in the last couple seasons, and will only become more and more. I am all for them doing their own thing and all, but I do like to think about what choices they made and why. Some differences are great, and added amazing scenes and more on certain characters: in the show Tywin is enhanced, so was Oberyn and the Queen of Thorns and those were great. They have also added great scenes that weren't in the book like: Robert and Cersei talking about their relationship in S1, Tywin and Arya in Harrenhall, The Queen of Thorns and damn near everybody, etc.. all scenes I have loved. The only time I really scratch my head is when they add something I didn't really love - waxing nostalgic about beetles, and leave out something that could have been in it's place - a little backstory on Tyrion. I also think they whiffed big time on Jon/Ygrette, not that I really loved that in the book either.

Since it is told in POV in the books, it is really hard to get all the backstory and motivations of the characters. For the most part, I think they have done a masterful job.

Since that's already passed in the show, and my wife and I were wondering about his reasons (eventually just wrote it off as his pent up rage against/resentment of his father being too much for him to overcome without confronting him...then the stuff with his whore being too much for him to take and causing the homicidal snap), can you outline in brief what the book story was? Spoiler tag it for safety, maybe, in case they come back to it next season? (I don't care if I get minorly spoiled.)

Spoiler

In Season 1, Tyrion tells Bronn and Shae a story about his first wife: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z76l53LukE8

Jaime lets Tyrion out of the Black Cells because he feels guilty about this. The truth is that his 1st wife wasn't a whore. Tywin had Jaime lie about that. Jaime claims he didn't know that Tywin would have her raped by the guards. Tyrion kills Shae (but because of something she said - not because she tries to attack him). Tyrion then confronts Tywin about Tysha (who Tywin calls Tyrion's first whore and Tyrion warns him) and asks where she was sent off to. Tywin responds with "Wherever whores go." and Tyrion shoots him.

Tyrion - being pissed at his brother - also tells him that he killed Joffrey and that he replans to pay his debt to Jaime in the future. He also tells Jaime about Cersei and Lancel (and a few others not in the show).

 

[Uruk-Hai]

What do you think about the casting compared to the characters in the book?

Dinklage not repulsive enough to play Tyrion. Other than that it's been great.

So was he completely hideous and could only get whores?

This goes back to exactly how much back story you really want. I don't think anything would be spoiled but the portrayal of certain things would be much different.

I'm getting drunk so I"m going to bow out for a while. Unless I decide not to.

Bring it!

I'd like to hear what readers think of Tyrion up to this point.

To me, it isn't so much with the Dinklage, but it is more on the writing. Obviously there isn't enough time to go into everything in the book, but some of the omissions from the book to the show have been a little curious. A recent example is why did Tyrion double back in the show after Jamie let him out? In the book there was a great reason and a great scene that proceeded it with his brother.

Incidents like this have been increasing in the last couple seasons, and will only become more and more. I am all for them doing their own thing and all, but I do like to think about what choices they made and why. Some differences are great, and added amazing scenes and more on certain characters: in the show Tywin is enhanced, so was Oberyn and the Queen of Thorns and those were great. They have also added great scenes that weren't in the book like: Robert and Cersei talking about their relationship in S1, Tywin and Arya in Harrenhall, The Queen of Thorns and damn near everybody, etc.. all scenes I have loved. The only time I really scratch my head is when they add something I didn't really love - waxing nostalgic about beetles, and leave out something that could have been in it's place - a little backstory on Tyrion. I also think they whiffed big time on Jon/Ygrette, not that I really loved that in the book either.

Since it is told in POV in the books, it is really hard to get all the backstory and motivations of the characters. For the most part, I think they have done a masterful job.

Since that's already passed in the show, and my wife and I were wondering about his reasons (eventually just wrote it off as his pent up rage against/resentment of his father being too much for him to overcome without confronting him...then the stuff with his whore being too much for him to take and causing the homicidal snap), can you outline in brief what the book story was? Spoiler tag it for safety, maybe, in case they come back to it next season? (I don't care if I get minorly spoiled.)

Spoiler

In Season 1, Tyrion tells Bronn and Shae a story about his first wife: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z76l53LukE8

Jaime lets Tyrion out of the Black Cells because he feels guilty about this. The truth is that his 1st wife wasn't a whore. Tywin had Jaime lie about that. Jaime claims he didn't know that Tywin would have her raped by the guards. Tyrion kills Shae (but because of something she said - not because she tries to attack him). Tyrion then confronts Tywin about Tysha (who Tywin calls Tyrion's first whore and Tyrion warns him) and asks where she was sent off to. Tywin responds with "Wherever whores go." and Tyrion shoots him.

Tyrion - being pissed at his brother - also tells him that he killed Joffrey and that he replans to pay his debt to Jaime in the future. He also tells Jaime about Cersei and Lancel (and a few others not in the show).

This isn't really a spoiler because the show appears to have gone away from this angle, but I'll tag it anyway.

Spoiler

A lot of Jaime's story arc in Books 4 & 5 involves Tyrion's comments about how Cercei was ####### half of King's Landing, which leads to Jaime burning Cercei's letter at the end of book 4. I have to believe the show will try to get to that point since it's such a huge deal, but can't imagine how they'll do it since they completely changed the dynamic of Jaime/Tyrion's last scene. Omitting the Tysha story in itself didn't bother me that much, but the ripple effect from Tyrion learning the truth and lashing out at Jaime DOES.

 

[jamny]

What did Shae say that got her killed? Or is it a spoiler?

For some reason I don't think Tyrion's first wife will be much of a story going forward. While they did mention it, it doesn't seem that relevant to his storyline at this point. Although I guess it's possible if they want to set up a dispute between him and Jamie.

I didn't realize there were big scenes like Arya and Tywin at Harrenhall that weren't in the book. That has to be fun for readers, getting something unexpected like that. Is George Martin involved with those?

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

What do you think about the casting compared to the characters in the book?

Dinklage not repulsive enough to play Tyrion. Other than that it's been great.

So was he completely hideous and could only get whores?

This goes back to exactly how much back story you really want. I don't think anything would be spoiled but the portrayal of certain things would be much different.I'm getting drunk so I"m going to bow out for a while. Unless I decide not to.

Bring it!

I'd like to hear what readers think of Tyrion up to this point.

To me, it isn't so much with the Dinklage, but it is more on the writing. Obviously there isn't enough time to go into everything in the book, but some of the omissions from the book to the show have been a little curious. A recent example is why did Tyrion double back in the show after Jamie let him out? In the book there was a great reason and a great scene that proceeded it with his brother.

Incidents like this have been increasing in the last couple seasons, and will only become more and more. I am all for them doing their own thing and all, but I do like to think about what choices they made and why. Some differences are great, and added amazing scenes and more on certain characters: in the show Tywin is enhanced, so was Oberyn and the Queen of Thorns and those were great. They have also added great scenes that weren't in the book like: Robert and Cersei talking about their relationship in S1, Tywin and Arya in Harrenhall, The Queen of Thorns and damn near everybody, etc.. all scenes I have loved. The only time I really scratch my head is when they add something I didn't really love - waxing nostalgic about beetles, and leave out something that could have been in it's place - a little backstory on Tyrion. I also think they whiffed big time on Jon/Ygrette, not that I really loved that in the book either.

Since it is told in POV in the books, it is really hard to get all the backstory and motivations of the characters. For the most part, I think they have done a masterful job.

Since that's already passed in the show, and my wife and I were wondering about his reasons (eventually just wrote it off as his pent up rage against/resentment of his father being too much for him to overcome without confronting him...then the stuff with his whore being too much for him to take and causing the homicidal snap), can you outline in brief what the book story was? Spoiler tag it for safety, maybe, in case they come back to it next season? (I don't care if I get minorly spoiled.)

Spoiler

Do you recall the conversation from season 1 with bronn tyrion and shae in the tent where tyrion talks about his first wife and how he saved her from rape and married her, but later his dad tells him Jaime paid her as a whore and then made tyrion watch 30 guys bang her for silver?

In the book tyrion obsesses in his mind about her/that a lot. Well, upon the escape Jaime tells him he lied. The girl wasn't a whore. What she and tyrion had was real. His dad just had her raped in front of him. So at that point he gets in a fight with Jaime and then Varys shows him how to get to his dads chambers but warns him not to go. So you knew something was going to happen. Shae in his bed was the huge shock.

I'm annoyed because the show could have made it work. Instead of beetle chat we could have had tyrion bring up how he was betrayed by both women/whores who he loved. Let him wax poetic about it. Then have Jaime's face be full of angst and set the thought process of Jaime confessing the truth to him upon the escape in motion. Then tyrion is actually motivated to delay his escape and confront Tywin.

 

[jamny]

What do you think about the casting compared to the characters in the book?

Dinklage not repulsive enough to play Tyrion. Other than that it's been great.

So was he completely hideous and could only get whores?

This goes back to exactly how much back story you really want. I don't think anything would be spoiled but the portrayal of certain things would be much different.I'm getting drunk so I"m going to bow out for a while. Unless I decide not to.

Bring it!

I'd like to hear what readers think of Tyrion up to this point.

To me, it isn't so much with the Dinklage, but it is more on the writing. Obviously there isn't enough time to go into everything in the book, but some of the omissions from the book to the show have been a little curious. A recent example is why did Tyrion double back in the show after Jamie let him out? In the book there was a great reason and a great scene that proceeded it with his brother.

Incidents like this have been increasing in the last couple seasons, and will only become more and more. I am all for them doing their own thing and all, but I do like to think about what choices they made and why. Some differences are great, and added amazing scenes and more on certain characters: in the show Tywin is enhanced, so was Oberyn and the Queen of Thorns and those were great. They have also added great scenes that weren't in the book like: Robert and Cersei talking about their relationship in S1, Tywin and Arya in Harrenhall, The Queen of Thorns and damn near everybody, etc.. all scenes I have loved. The only time I really scratch my head is when they add something I didn't really love - waxing nostalgic about beetles, and leave out something that could have been in it's place - a little backstory on Tyrion. I also think they whiffed big time on Jon/Ygrette, not that I really loved that in the book either.

Since it is told in POV in the books, it is really hard to get all the backstory and motivations of the characters. For the most part, I think they have done a masterful job.

Since that's already passed in the show, and my wife and I were wondering about his reasons (eventually just wrote it off as his pent up rage against/resentment of his father being too much for him to overcome without confronting him...then the stuff with his whore being too much for him to take and causing the homicidal snap), can you outline in brief what the book story was? Spoiler tag it for safety, maybe, in case they come back to it next season? (I don't care if I get minorly spoiled.)

Spoiler

Do you recall the conversation from season 1 with bronn tyrion and shae in the tent where tyrion talks about his first wife and how he saved her from rape and married her, but later his dad tells him Jaime paid her as a whore and then made tyrion watch 30 guys bang her for silver?

In the book tyrion obsesses in his mind about her/that a lot. Well, upon the escape Jaime tells him he lied. The girl wasn't a whore. What she and tyrion had was real. His dad just had her raped in front of him. So at that point he gets in a fight with Jaime and then Varys shows him how to get to his dads chambers but warns him not to go. So you knew something was going to happen. Shae in his bed was the huge shock.

I'm annoyed because the show could have made it work. Instead of beetle chat we could have had tyrion bring up how he was betrayed by both women/whores who he loved. Let him wax poetic about it. Then have Jaime's face be full of angst and set the thought process of Jaime confessing the truth to him upon the escape in motion. Then tyrion is actually motivated to delay his escape and confront Tywin.

That definitely seems like a better way to have done it.

 

[Psychopav]

What a great thread, jamny! Can I make a suggestion to edit the first post to include a qualifier that your intention is that book readers will try to avoid spoilers that haven't been shown yet or that spoiler tag more major spoilers (like Tyrion's backstory) which are so good in the books that telling them would really take away from a first time reader's enjoyment? Also add that, with that in midn, this thread should be free from #####ing about spoilers?

Good luck with this lol.

 

[Psychopav]

I agree with most of what's been said already.

Their portrayal of Asha Greyjoy hasn't been terrible, but the casting was. That actress really doesn't have much of a stage presence.

Arya's story has lacked a lot of the fire that she has in the book.

Stannis is portrayed well but he's just not as compelling a character in the book imo.

I'm trying to get on board with Jon Snow but that too could have been better cast.

The depth lost in Arya and Tyrion's stories alone are worth picking up the books even if you're a show only person.

The show has done quite a bit to bring some of the book stuff alive too, though. Oberyn, the Martell grandma, and Sansa's latest turn on the show have all expanded my understanding of the characters. I assume the spirit of what they're doing on the show is in line with GRRM's vision of the characters as well.

Also, I think that the show is doing a better job than the books of keeping the white walkers and the stuff north of the wall relevant, even though imo they didn't make it clear enough at the beginning which nobles were receptive to the call for more crows.

 

[sn0mm1s]

What did Shae say that got her killed? Or is it a spoiler?

For some reason I don't think Tyrion's first wife will be much of a story going forward. While they did mention it, it doesn't seem that relevant to his storyline at this point. Although I guess it's possible if they want to set up a dispute between him and Jamie.

I didn't realize there were big scenes like Arya and Tywin at Harrenhall that weren't in the book. That has to be fun for readers, getting something unexpected like that. Is George Martin involved with those?

This isn't really worth spoiler tags.

In the trial, Shae says that Tyrion made her call him "My giant of Lannister" (when it was her nickname) and everyone laughs at him for it. When he stumbles upon her in Tywin's chambers they have a brief conversation. Tyrion asks if she ever liked him and she says something like "Oh, yes. My giant of Lannister." This causes him to snap and he strangles her.

 

[Thunderlips]

I agree with most of what's been said already.

Their portrayal of Asha Greyjoy hasn't been terrible, but the casting was. That actress really doesn't have much of a stage presence.

Arya's story has lacked a lot of the fire that she has in the book.

Stannis is portrayed well but he's just not as compelling a character in the book imo.

I'm trying to get on board with Jon Snow but that too could have been better cast.

The depth lost in Arya and Tyrion's stories alone are worth picking up the books even if you're a show only person.

The show has done quite a bit to bring some of the book stuff alive too, though. Oberyn, the Martell grandma, and Sansa's latest turn on the show have all expanded my understanding of the characters. I assume the spirit of what they're doing on the show is in line with GRRM's vision of the characters as well.

Also, I think that the show is doing a better job than the books of keeping the white walkers and the stuff north of the wall relevant, even though imo they didn't make it clear enough at the beginning which nobles were receptive to the call for more crows.

Unless he's given a lot more liberty to the show runners, Jojen's death makes him irrelevant in the books.