Wait...I may have missed something.He has Stark blood but not Ned's. Maybe that won't matter to everyone in the North if people find out who his true parents are. Maybe it will. But ultimately I don't think Jon wants to rule. I think he's doing it now because he thinks it's what he needs to do and it's what is expected of him now. But if he had a choice he'd probably let Sansa run things and he'd go somewhere warm like he originally wanted before she showed up at Castle Black.
Sam's gotta go learn stuff...and come back with the plan to kill the white walkers.Also, what did I miss with the Sam and the library thing...he just sought out a really cool library?
#######it.Also, what did I miss with the Sam and the library thing...he just sought out a really cool library?
Yes you are wrong. Raegar Targaryean loved Lyanna StarkWait...I may have missed something.
I thought in that flashback...that was Ned coming to his sister's bedside. She said, "I missed you big brother."
So, I assume Jon Snow has more Stark blood in him and anyone ever. Am I wrong to assume Ned and his sister are the parents of Jon Snow?
Yes, you're wrong to assume this.Wait...I may have missed something.
I thought in that flashback...that was Ned coming to his sister's bedside. She said, "I missed you big brother."
So, I assume Jon Snow has more Stark blood in him and anyone ever. Am I wrong to assume Ned and his sister are the parents of Jon Snow?
Arya doesn't have it. Needle is only special to her because Jon had it made for her by the Winterfell blacksmith in season one. It's good castle steel but not Valyrian.Sam's gotta go learn stuff...and come back with the plan to kill the white walkers.
Dragons kill off the horde, but not the handful of leaders...those dudes will require valarian steel.
Only a handful of people have that, right? Brienne, Arya, Sam, Jon, who else?
So glad she's back in Westeros, back to her list. Who's next on her list?Also, what did I miss with the Sam and the library thing...he just sought out a really cool library?
Yes, Maester Q mentioned to Cersei a couple episodes back that he had recruited the little birds, when he was talking about the rumor he confirmed. Which I think was the cache of wild fire.Were those Varys' little birds or did Cersei have her own? I don't remember them being killers. Awesome scene though.
also, was it assumed the mountain raped the sister?
Also - did we figure out how he found Dany's ring in that field? Seems unpossible to me.Also, what did I miss with the Sam and the library thing...he just sought out a really cool library?
Jon has Longclaw, Sam has Heartsbane, Brienne has half of Ice known as Oathkeeper, Tommen had Joffery's sword, the other half of Ice, known as Widow's Wail. There is also the Valyrian Dagger that belonged to Littlefinger that was used in the attempt on Bran's life in season 1.Arya doesn't have it. Needle is only special to her because Jon had it made for her by the Winterfell blacksmith in season one. It's good castle steel but not Valyrian.
The list that we know of is:
Jon, Sam, Brienne, and whoever has Joffrey's old sword, the sister to Brienne's that came from Ned's huge sword.
The music throughout the entire episode was one of the highlights of this episode for me. Really great!That music though
Narrow Sea isn't that wide. Plus, since the story isn't neccessarily linear....he could have had the time to travel.If Varys was in Dorne around the halfway mark of the show, then on the ship at the end of the show, that means he got from Dorne to the ship in 30-40 minutes.![]()
If Jaime kills Cercei, I'm guessing Jaime will also make sure he dies too, all his kids are dead, can't see him wanting to live any longer.
Prescient on some of these. Well done!So - predictions on tonight's episode?
My guesses - no legitimate spoliers
Wall
Bran makes it to the wall, has his last peek into the past, we find out Jon is a Targaryen/Stark; Wall begins to crack, Whitewalkers have a way thorugh.
Winterfell
Jon is crowned King of the North. He pardons Melisandre, Davos walks/rides away. Sansa and Littlefinger discuss marriage but maybe between Sansa and Robyn
Kings Landing - one legit spoiler in here
Loras and Cersei have their trials. Loras admits his sins, punishment = castration. Cersei does not show up - blows up the Sept instead killing everyone in their - including Sparrows, Margaery, Loras, and other Tyrells, and an undetermined number of high society types. Tommen sees this, and jumps out a window, killing himself. Cersei realizes the prophecy has come true.
Freys/Lannisters
Arya shows up at the Frey/Lannister feast - kills Walder Frey, becomes Red Wedding, Part II can see this breaking down into Lannisters v. Freys when they start blaming each other.
Dorne
Nothing much here - Varys secures Dorne, and maybe Lady Olenna as allies for Daenerys
Mereen
Daenerys and Tyrion join with Iron Fleet to head to Westeros
Other stuff
Euron Greyjoy has his fleet and sets out to woo Daenerys, Samwell and Gilly make it to oldtown with the sword - send white ravens to other houses to warn that Winter is here. Brienne and Pod meet up with Brotherhood, and continue the trek up north.
Jorah Mormont is seen headed to Valyria - photo of him from the set
And it also helps keep the story moving along briskly which they've really begun doing. Let's get Dany to King's Landing now. No more messing around. Time for her to get there and fight for the Iron Throne. Time's running out.This is what I assumed happened. It would make sense that they sailed to Dorne to meet up with the rest of their allies.
I did. It was freaking great. I've been waiting for a Stark to avenge one of the Stark murders. Fitting it was Arya who did it and I loved that she avenged the Red Wedding. Arya's become all kinds of a major league bad ###. Now it's time for her to get back with Jon and Sansa. Let's get all the Starks together again. The way all the storylines are beginning to merge together I don't think we'll see a lot of fragmented stories anymore. Not enough time left on the show to keep doing that.Nobody has mentioned the Arya re-emergence...about effing time that story line paid off.
In a few years Jon Snow should be all over that.Lyanna Mormont is all kinds of awesome.
Right, same girl. Jaime's fidelity may have saved him there, he also seemed to be on to her somewhat. He's wary and is not an easy mark.When Bronn is talking to Jamie about all the girls eyeing him, the first one we see, isn't it Arya in her new face? If so, maybe she had plans to get Jamie too, but couldn't get close enough.
Now that's a solid theory.Any chance that Lolly Mormont ends up with Robin Arryn? They are about the same age, but she would probably eat him for breakfast. Too bad Rickon is gone.
That person obviously saw the episode in advance. They threw in a couple of feints, but they obviously saw it imo.Prescient on some of these. Well done!
Jamie isn't on The List.When Bronn is talking to Jamie about all the girls eyeing him, the first one we see, isn't it Arya in her new face? If so, maybe she had plans to get Jamie too, but couldn't get close enough.
Some of it they could have guessed, but others like "Nothing much here - Varys secures Dorne, and maybe Lady Olenna as allies for Daenerys".That person obviously saw the episode in advance. They threw in a couple of feints, but they obviously saw it imo.
which part is so unpredictable?Some of it they could have guessed, but others like "Nothing much here - Varys secures Dorne, and maybe Lady Olenna as allies for Daenerys".
No f'Ing way.
What do you mean? The exact part I quoted. There was no indication ever where Varys was going. Nobody knew Olenna was traveling to Dorne because no one knew it would be in response to her grandkids getting roasted. You would have had to have seen the first part of the episode to even postulate that she would be in Dorne.which part is so unpredictable?
How about "predicting" Tommen would jump out of a window?What do you mean? The exact part I quoted. There was no indication ever where Varys was going. Nobody knew Olenna was traveling to Dorne because no one knew it would be in response to her grandkids getting roasted. You would have had to have seen the first part of the episode to even postulate that she would be in Dorne.
The shot where Tommen way holes the Sept burn then walks away - the framing of that shot (centered on burning building - symmetrical with the columns and intricate shades of the castle's windows) and it stayed there for like 5 seconds - I honestly thought my hbogo froze... You never see cinematic pacing like that in Tv shows.
He could have just said "Tommen dies" or even got away with "Tommen commits suicide." Instead we get basically a scene for scene narration of what happened including the oddly specific "Tommen jumping out of a window."How about "predicting" Tommen would jump out of a window?
That makes sense. She knows how Jamie feels about using wildfire to kill as many people as possible. Cersei basically had her Mad King moment. Last time it happened is when Jamie got his nickname so having him around wasn't in Cersei's best interests since it could've muddied up her plan.And I guess Cersei sent Jaime away so she could be free to do what she needed (wanted) to do in the first place. Otoh I guess trial by combat was Plan A, but Jaime was a vital part of protecting their son. Him not being around greatly increased the chance of something disastrous happening to him.
I kept thinking, this music should be annoying me, but it worked. The pace of the last 2 episodes was absolutely perfect.I really don't see how anyone could not enjoy that finale. It was so good. The music set to the build up of Kings Landing exploding was really well done.