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Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (2 Viewers)

sartre said:
There is no doubt he was relying on spoiler info, and it isn't far-fetched to assume he watched the actual episode before his post (it was available).  SF has been posting spoilers for a while now.  In fairness, usually labeled as such.  Not sure why he disguised them as "guesses" this time.  

It's basically why I haven't clicked on anything inside spoiler tags whatsoever the last couple of weeks.  And why next season, I will probably avoid the thread altogether.
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So basically you are bigmarc27's selection in the Trial by Combat over the Spoiler Sinner. 

 
Thunderlips said:
FWIW,

A lot of those "predictions" were being talked about on various GOT sites for awhile now(particularly Tommen's leap).   Sure, there was some foreshadowing of things in the past couple of episodes (Tyrion specifically said there was a cache of wildfire under the Sept of Balor to Dany).

I know a lot of things in the "predictions" could be inferred by an astute viewer as they were simply a logical prediction of the story (Dany and the Iron Fleet/Varys to Dorne).  The two that kind of reek of "known spoilers masquarading as "predictions" are

1)  Olenna to Dorne (as that actually needed events in this episode to bring to fruitition.....with book readers knowing that Dorne and the Tyrells are enemies (I think it was said as much when Oberyn showed up in Season 4)

and

2) the pardoning of Melisandre.
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He didn't predict Olenna to Dorne...

 
Random predictions and thoughts.

- Previously, the scene I was waiting for with the most anticipation was Arya exacting her revenge.  Now, the scene I want to see most is Tyrion confronting Cersei.  I'm torn between wanting him to be the one to off her or Arya since she's on her list.  Maybe it will be a situation where Dany and Tyrion capture KL and throws Cersei in a cell.  They catch Arya breaking in to try and kill her but Tyrion lets her through to exact her revenge.

- I think we're heading towards 7 or maybe less independent kingdoms on Westeros.  I know Dany doesnt want this but she may capitulate after the pending war against the white walkers depletes everyone's armies, or see my super bold prediction below.  We already see the North rallying around Jon, Yara being promised independence (that happened, right?), and you know Dorne will probably want it as well for payment in helping Dany take KL.  

- I may be in the minority but I cant wait to see Sam's adventures in Maester land.  We havent seen the Citadel yet and seeing how all that works will be cool.  I just hope it isnt bogged down with the Gilly subplot.  Sam is either going to become grand maester of the Citadel or become Jon's maester in Winterfell.  

- Super Bold Prediction: Dany and her dragons are going to die, most likely at the hands of the white walkers or some double crossing (Littlefinger?).  There are no more seven kingdoms when its all said and done.  The dragons completely level KL.  It seems weird and predictable to have this all end with Dany on the throne.  The Targareans had their reign.  Except in the north, the political climate of Westeros will be completely different after the upcoming war.  The Stark and Targarean houses merge with Jon and Sansa marrying.  

 
So.... is it OK to say that I thought it was a damn good episode, but not the best thing ever to be produced for television, or does that negative can't enjoy anything in life #### need to be posted elsewhere?

 
nirad3 said:
I was playing Candy Crush during this episode but could there be any way that the "pretty girl" was actually just some "pretty girl" and Arya offed her (and stole her face) inbetween the Bronn/Jaime scene and when she offed Frey?

Or do we accept the fact that the "pretty girl" was already Arya during that scene?

I think it plays out fine either way.
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I think Arya was someone else at the feast, saw that the pretty girl was able to get close to Walder Frey, killed the girl, took her face, killed his sons, got Hot Pie to make a Frey Pie, and served it to Walder as the pretty girl and killed him.

 
Scoresman said:
It seems weird and predictable to have this all end with Dany on the throne.  The Targareans had their reign.  Except in the north, the political climate of Westeros will be completely different after the upcoming war.
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I sort of agree with this. Isn't this where everything began long ago, with the Targareans and the Starks in charge? It would be a whole other generation with a ew outlook and philosophy I suppose, but in the end it's the same families restored to power. Is this what it was all for?

 
Thunderlips said:
FWIW,

A lot of those "predictions" were being talked about on various GOT sites for awhile now(particularly Tommen's leap).   Sure, there was some foreshadowing of things in the past couple of episodes (Tyrion specifically said there was a cache of wildfire under the Sept of Balor to Dany).

I know a lot of things in the "predictions" could be inferred by an astute viewer as they were simply a logical prediction of the story (Dany and the Iron Fleet/Varys to Dorne).  The two that kind of reek of "known spoilers masquarading as "predictions" are

1)  Olenna to Dorne (as that actually needed events in this episode to bring to fruitition.....with book readers knowing that Dorne and the Tyrells are enemies (I think it was said as much when Oberyn showed up in Season 4)

and

2) the pardoning of Melisandre. 
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The problem is that Sinn Fein is not an "astute viewer".  He is someone that obviously seeks out spoilers and does a lot of reading about the show elsewhere.

 
shuke said:
Should have had some car chases, too.
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Well, for being called "Wild"fire, and having barrels of it, it seemed to be oddly contained to one building.  ;)

I did think she was going to do more damage this episode, but it has been hinted that there is more caches elsewhere, and I am guessing we see her descend more and more into being The Mad Queen and pulling the trigger (or trying to) on the rest of the stuff and Dany and the other come for her. 

 
GregR said:
I haven't bought Mellisandre's stuff about Stannis being the chosen leader of the Lord of Light. It all was very contrived, her having him pull the sword out of the flames to meet the prophecy/gospel/whatever. Stannis even just sort of gave up the sword to a servant then like it was nothing he cared about. I took that to be foreshadowing from the director that it wasn't the real event.

Looked up the quotes from the show:

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According to prophecy, the Prince That Was Promised would be reborn "amidst salt and smoke"[3] and pull a flaming sword from the flames, Lightbringer, to combat the coming darkness.[4]
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I think that event still is to come. With the "salt' part, wouldn't it be a trip if it was Theon?

Though my guess would still be it's Jon Snow, and we'll find out his mother Wylla gave birth to him on a boat or island or something.
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Does anyone have any thoughts on the sword from the fire thing? That just seemed to dissipate with Stannis being defeated and Meisandre being completely wrong. Or did it?

What happened to that? Doesn't this come into play as part of the Fire vs Ice equation at some point? Is there still a sword of fire still to be discovered? Is this Sam's role in all this?

 
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EYLive said:
I think Arya was someone else at the feast, saw that the pretty girl was able to get close to Walder Frey, killed the girl, took her face, killed his sons, got Hot Pie to make a Frey Pie, and served it to Walder as the pretty girl and killed him.
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Nothing about Arya's character indicates she would kill an innocent girl.

 
shuke said:
The problem is that Sinn Fein is not an "astute viewer".  He is someone that obviously seeks out spoilers and does a lot of reading about the show elsewhere.
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Exactly. He posted the Tommen jumping out the window spoiler several times and somehow wants us to think he is just guessing

 
Good Posting Judge said:
A bus full of Wildfyre, careening towards the Sept of Baelor. It can't go under 55 mph. Tons of freaking out King's Landing residents are on the bus, panicking. Only one brave, grizzled man on the bus has the ability to re-wire the bus to stop it and save everyone.

Bronn: "I'm too old for this ####."
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Sounds good, but not enough shocked faces.

 
I knew Tommen was going to jump out a window but I figured it would've been to escape wildfire or something.  It just seemed so sudden.  

He's the ####### king and he jumped out a window because he couldnt have pancake #### anymore.  Someone should've taken him to Littlefinger's brothel to show him there's much better #### out there.

 
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Mr. Mojo said:
Daenerys sure appears to have an overwhelming force going into next season. It makes me wonder what will go wrong?
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Encounter Uncle Euron on the way

Storms

Dothraki don't like ships or bossy ship captains

Dragons need to eat

They run out of gas.  Have a flat tire. Don't have enough money for cab fare. Her dragon saddle doesn't come back from the cleaners.  An old friend comes in from out of town.  An earthquake.  A terrible flood.  Locusts!!!

 
Bob Sacamano said:
Encounter Uncle Euron on the way

Storms

Dothraki don't like ships or bossy ship captains

Dragons need to eat

They run out of gas.  Have a flat tire. Don't have enough money for cab fare. Her dragon saddle doesn't come back from the cleaners.  An old friend comes in from out of town.  An earthquake.  A terrible flood.  Locusts!!!
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Except it's called the Narrow Sea because its small and doesn't take too long to traverse I'd assume.  

 
JerseyToughGuys said:
I suspect she will ultimately be faced with a choice: seek vengeance and reclaim the throne or divert up north and save the world.1

1 This is not a prediction or a spoiler. I have not seen the next two seasons of the show. Also, it's not in the books. It's an educated guess of sorts.
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Fortunately for Jon, Tyrion believes in grumpkins
 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
I sort of agree with this. Isn't this where everything began long ago, with the Targareans and the Starks in charge? It would be a whole other generation with a ew outlook and philosophy I suppose, but in the end it's the same families restored to power. Is this what it was all for?
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Everything began with the Children of the Forest. There's some evidence the Starks are descendants. Everyone else was an invader. First Men. The Andals. The Targaryns.

I say they blast Westeros back into the stone age.

Epilogue: its been a 8 thousand years since the last long night. People don't believe in dragons, or white walkers, Starks, or Direwolves. But, winter is coming (again).

Fade to black.

 
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Scoresman said:
Except it's called the Narrow Sea because its small and doesn't take too long to traverse I'd assume.  
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Well, first they'd have to go through The Gulf of Grief (run out of gas?  flat tire?).  Then The Smoking Sea (Earthquake? Terrible flood?).  Then the Summer Sea (An old friend in from out of town? Locusts?  Didn't pack sunscreen?).  THEN the Narrow Sea (Dragon saddle from the cleaners?)

OK, maybe the lack of cab fare was going too far, but a lack of sunscreen nearly offsets it.  I'm good with my call.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Does anyone have any thoughts on the backup to the big rumor that Cersei was gathering about High Sparrow? Did that dissipate or was there some inside info about the plans for the trial? I thought there was going to be some big reveal in the end about the High Sparrow, but no? - Or did I just misunderstand all that?
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the big rumor, I think, was about the wildfire and not about the sparrow at all. 

but yeah- I thought there was going to be something that the little birds had on the guy (pedo, whatever), not a method of offing the guy.

and lol at the poster who didn't think exploding 10% of the city and the entire aristocracy/theocracy was enough. I guess they could have made the whole episode about that... but I'm glad it was short and sweet so we could get on to other stories. love that when Jamie comes back, it's still smoking/smoldering... I'd think most of the city would have been on fire after that explosion. we could have spent a while looking at how they put it out, or just moved forward with the core stories.

 
El Floppo said:
the big rumor, I think, was about the wildfire and not about the sparrow at all. 

but yeah- I thought there was going to be something that the little birds had on the guy (pedo, whatever), not a method of offing the guy.

and lol at the poster who didn't think exploding 10% of the city and the entire aristocracy/theocracy was enough. I guess they could have made the whole episode about that... but I'm glad it was short and sweet so we could get on to other stories. love that when Jamie comes back, it's still smoking/smoldering... I'd think most of the city would have been on fire after that explosion. we could have spent a while looking at how they put it out, or just moved forward with the core stories.
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Yeah, I don't know what value there is in showing people being torched/dying over and over. The shot of everyone in the Sept going enough was more than enough. And then cutting to Cersei watching from afar, and seeing how much damage their was, was well-done.

WYLDFIRE CAN'T MELT STEEL BEAMS.

 
Spike said:
Well, you saw it from about 1/2 mile away and it was a big boom there but it was over with in about 5 seconds.  I thought they'd show it racing through different areas more, have it blow things up more, have more shocked faces both getting nailed from it and from people seeing it.

It was sort of like "Ok, Cersei and Tommen saw it and so now we're done with it".  I just figured it would be on a grander scale.
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Yeah, something like this would've been cool.

 
the moops said:
why did everyone assume tommen was gonna jump out a window? 
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I am glad I avoided that spoiler because honestly, it was the only part of the finale that was genuinely shocking.  

The 'Previously On...' segment telegraphed what might have been the other surprises.

 
And he didn't actually jump out the window.  He walked over very deliberately and leaned forward.  I find that choice interesting, though I'm not sure why.

 
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Scoresman said:
I knew Tommen was going to jump out a window but I figured it would've been to escape wildfire or something.  It just seemed so sudden.  

He's the ####### king and he jumped out a window because he couldnt have pancake #### anymore.  Someone should've taken him to Littlefinger's brothel to show him there's much better #### out there.
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Dunno, he bought right into the whole high sparrow/religion thing. He lost it all.....wife, his mentor and his mother, he knows she was behind it. 

 
I effin' love they way Cersei plays the game. Sparrow thinks they're playing chess and has her in check.... Cersei knocks the board over and burns it all down. 

She's going to get hers in the end, but she's been great to watch along the way. 

 
Peyton Marino said:
see I don't even know who tommen is/was.  is this just one of those shows that's hard to jump in on in the middle?
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There's no sense in watching from the start, pretty much everyone in the first episode left the show.  Some politics,  a couple weddings, pretty standard although they do spice it up from time to time with some hookers and a midget.

 
Big bravo to the show for tying up a lot of loose ends in the finale.  The story is far from over, but they did a great job putting the pieces in place for next season.

Also, great CGI job on the high sparrow during the explosion.  He blowed up real good.  Hated that guy.

 
Waingro said:
I effin' love they way Cersei plays the game. Sparrow thinks they're playing chess and has her in check.... Cersei knocks the board over and burns it all down. 

She's going to get hers in the end, but she's been great to watch along the way. 
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Yup. Truly great character. Biggest questions for her may be who ends up killing her and how incredible is her death going to be? 

 
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