Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (3 Viewers)

[Insomniac]

How would Littlefinger even know? Did anyone outside of Ned know that is still alive? He never told Catelyn or Jon, so I don't know how Littlefinger would know.

There was a scene in season 5 with Littlefinger and Sansa in the Stark family crypt where they talk about Lyanna. Baelish mentions that he saw the tournament won by Rhaegar and give flowers to Lyanna. When Sansa mentions that Rhaegar kidnapped Lyanna Baelish is silent but he has a look on his face that says "that's not what really happened". So Baelish may know that Lyanna chose to run off with Rhaegar and he at least could suspect the truth of Jon's origins.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfnl9owFc84  

 

[Native]

Actress that played Lyanna Stark

 

[packersfan]

How would Littlefinger even know?

Sansa and Little Finger have had a conversation about Lyanna being taken and allegedly raped. Little Finger's expression seemed to suggest he didn't buy the popular story about how all that went down. He may not know but if he has any suspicions that there's more to the Lyanna story than everyone has been told and somehow Jon is involved he's gonna start digging for sure now.

And again I don't know if people finding out Jon isn't Ned's son will end up harming him as the King in the North. It might not since he would still be a Stark. I'm just going off the scene where Lyanna Bad ### Mormont saying he had Ned's blood in his veins was a huge selling point to the crowd. That seemed to be put into the script for a reason and it came right after we had just found out he wasn't Ned's son. I'm just guessing and thinking there's a reason why all that was done. 

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

She doesn't owe him a ### #### thing.  He barely paid off his debt to her by bringing his the knights of the Vale to help Jon and if she said that he still owes her I wouldn't say she is wrong.

Yeah that's a good point. Though assured destruction of her, her brothers, and the entire future of the Stark clan is no small thing. Everybody was cheering Jon (myself included) but let's face it the LOTV saved the day.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Seemed like Cersai wanted Tommen to take his own life. 

 

[RUSF18]

Watching the finale again...Lady Mormont's pronunciation of "refused the call" is amazing each time. 

 

[massraider]

Watching the finale again...Lady Mormont's pronunciation of "refused the call" is amazing each time. 

Add her to the roster of bad### female characters in this story. 

 

[Mario Kart]

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/4q5fpt/ama_request_bella_ramsey_actor_playing_lyanna/

 

[Capella]

It's weird, this whole season I just had a feeling that a group of kids were going to run up and stab that old guy to death at the beginning of episode 10. I didn't KNOW anything, just a hunch I had that he was going to die this very specific death. 

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Watching the finale again...Lady Mormont's pronunciation of "refused the call" is amazing each time. 

Refused the Carl

 

[Major]

Is Fat Sam an autobiographical character of Martin's? Worthless tub of goo. Loves books. Pretty sure he's taking down the dragons and then doing a three way with Dany and Cersei.

Pretty sure he'll be riding one of those dragons, banging Dany mid-flight.   

 

[shuke]

Did this particular shot remind anyone of anything?  

Wes Andersons style. 

Reminded me of 9/11.  I've seen video that people took from their apartment building, and would put the camera down and walk away for a while.  I don't know, just a weird very distinct feeling watching that shot.

 

[timschochet]

Wish Catlyn Stark was still around so she could realize what a complete ##### she was.

If she WAS around, she would be highly displeased to see Jon Snow as King of the North. 

 

[the moops]

Watching the finale again...Lady Mormont's pronunciation of "refused the call" is amazing each time. 

seriously. so awesome. one of the best scenes of the show

https://youtu.be/sG8PQOE1tmU

 

[PIK95]

It's weird, this whole season I just had a feeling that a group of kids were going to run up and stab that old guy to death at the beginning of episode 10. I didn't KNOW anything, just a hunch I had that he was going to die this very specific death. 

 

[bentley]

Rewatching the episode. If Arya was the server girl when she first saw Jamie, does that mean that Bronn nailed her?

 

[the moops]

Rewatching the episode. If Arya was the server girl when she first saw Jamie, does that mean that Bronn nailed her?

u should watch it a third time 

 

[PIK95]

Rewatching the episode. If Arya was the server girl when she first saw Jamie, does that mean that Bronn nailed her?

No, he nailed the other two.

 

[bigbottom]

Rewatching the episode. If Arya was the server girl when she first saw Jamie, does that mean that Bronn nailed her?

Bronn nailed two different wenches. 

 

[bentley]

Ah. That one.

u should watch it a third time 

 

[jhib]

I effin' love they way Cersei plays the game. Sparrow thinks they're playing chess and has her in check.... Cersei knocks the board over and burns it all down. 

She's going to get hers in the end, but she's been great to watch along the way. 

She's like the Russel Hantz of this version of Survivor.  You know she's not going to win in the end, but it's fun watching her try.

 

[stbugs]

There was a scene in season 5 with Littlefinger and Sansa in the Stark family crypt where they talk about Lyanna. Baelish mentions that he saw the tournament won by Rhaegar and give flowers to Lyanna. When Sansa mentions that Rhaegar kidnapped Lyanna Baelish is silent but he has a look on his face that says "that's not what really happened". So Baelish may know that Lyanna chose to run off with Rhaegar and he at least could suspect the truth of Jon's origins.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfnl9owFc84  

Littlefinger says he was a boy when he saw that tournament and while he likely thinks that it wasn't kidnap/rape, how would that one event lead him to knowing about Jon. Ned had said from the beginning Jon was his ******* son. Littlefinger knew Ned through Catelyn, he wasn't friends with Ned. I still don't see how this shows anything other than him not believing that Rhaegar took Lyanna by force. I doubt Littlefinger as a kid would have presumed that there was a child and that that child was Jon. We have seen no inkling of this rumor from anyone who knows Jon and/or Ned. This isn't like the Jamie/Cersei rumor where lots of people suspect Tommen et al were their children.

Sorry, but that link IMHO shows nothing close to Littlefinger suspecting Jon is the love child of Rhaegar and Lyanna. He even calls him a motherless ******* from the south (when Ned was fighting alongside Robert) when talking to Sansa before the king of the north scene. There was no indication that he had any inkling about Jon's true parents. He was just pissed after the king of the north scene because Sansa is the one he was backing, not Jon. Easier for him to marry her and be king of the north.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

No way there's been back to back episodes of a TV show better than these last two.  Great stuff.  I'm glad they made this episode longer so they could draw out some of the cuts (like Tommen's suicide) to make them more cinematic.  This whole show lately is not just on movie level, but top tier movie level.

Only thing I didn't dig about the episode was the Melisandre resolution.  Seemed like the options were to sentence her to death or spare her because they needed her against the White Walkers.  Instead they spare her but send her south away from the battle with the white walkers anyway.  What was the point in that?  And it's hard to believe that Davos would have accepted that.

The show is in a weird spot now where all of the "protagonists" are sitting pretty, and most of the evil characters are gone or not doing so well.  Even the evil character that had success this show (Cersei) I think most people were rooting for in this particular matchup.  Of course there are still the WW's out there but the solution to that seems almost too obvious.  With all of this good going on right now I think something majorly bad is going to happen to throw things out of whack early next season, particularly to Dany as waltzing into King's Landing just seems all too easy right now.

Littlefinger is the other real wildcard sitting out there to really stir some stuff up bigtime.  His scheming has not been so hot lately though.  Marrying off Sansa to the Boltons was a YUGE bust and now his best effort at salvaging it has gone down the toilet as well.

 

[stbugs]

Seemed like Cersai wanted Tommen to take his own life. 

Really? She went from happy, happy, just drinking my wine watching the people die as I smile to appearing to be upset over Tommen. She specifically saved him from being there. I didn't get the feeling she wanted her son dead, just all off the people around him who were controlling him and setting her up.

 

[jhib]

Did anyone else feel like the whole Tyrion becoming hand of the queen thing was a bit forced?  It seemed to me he should have done something more to prove himself before that happened. 

 

[stbugs]

Sansa and Little Finger have had a conversation about Lyanna being taken and allegedly raped. Little Finger's expression seemed to suggest he didn't buy the popular story about how all that went down. He may not know but if he has any suspicions that there's more to the Lyanna story than everyone has been told and somehow Jon is involved he's gonna start digging for sure now.

And again I don't know if people finding out Jon isn't Ned's son will end up harming him as the King in the North. It might not since he would still be a Stark. I'm just going off the scene where Lyanna Bad ### Mormont saying he had Ned's blood in his veins was a huge selling point to the crowd. That seemed to be put into the script for a reason and it came right after we had just found out he wasn't Ned's son. I'm just guessing and thinking there's a reason why all that was done. 

See my post above. He said he was a boy when he saw Rhaegar choose Lyanna over his wife, which started the war. It is a gigantic leap from not believing that Rhaegar kidnapped/raped Lyanna when he was a boy to somehow knowing about the lovechild (who his friend Catelyn didn't know existed) and then somehow think that lovechild was Jon. I honestly think that Ned never told anyone about who Jon really was. At this point, I think Bran may be the only one alive who knows.

 

[timschochet]

Did anyone else feel like the whole Tyrion becoming hand of the queen thing was a bit forced?  It seemed to me he should have done something more to prove himself before that happened. 

If I'm Dany, and my main obstacles to the throne are Cersei and Jamie, I might only trust Tyrion so far. He is a Lannister, after all. 

 

[ProstheticRGK]

That makes sense. She knows how Jamie feels about using wildfire to kill as many people as possible. Cersei basically had her Mad King moment. Last time it happened is when Jamie got his nickname so having him around wasn't in Cersei's best interests since it could've muddied up her plan.   

D'oh. Good point. I was wondering to myself why Jaime was giving her the stink eye when he went in for her coronation. It wasn't adding up for me why that tension was there. I thought maybe because Tommen was dead. Just dawned on me reading your post, the whole mention of why he killed the Mad King, and she just did the exact same thing. So obvious.

On a positive note, I cleared all the chocolates from level 115 on Candy Crush.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

Speaking of Arya...I figured the whole "swapping faces" thing would be over as soon as she stopped serving the Many Faced God. Is the implication that it's just something she has learned and can use freely now, or did she "steal" that and she may have to pay for that later on?

Yeah, if she had that ability, why wasn't she using it in Braavos when she knew Jaquen and the waif were coming for her?

 

[Gr00vus]

Yeah, if she had that ability, why wasn't she using it in Braavos when she knew Jaquen and the waif were coming for her?

Killing the waif was her final test.

 

[thecatch]

See my post above. He said he was a boy when he saw Rhaegar choose Lyanna over his wife, which started the war. It is a gigantic leap from not believing that Rhaegar kidnapped/raped Lyanna when he was a boy to somehow knowing about the lovechild (who his friend Catelyn didn't know existed) and then somehow think that lovechild was Jon. I honestly think that Ned never told anyone about who Jon really was. At this point, I think Bran may be the only one alive who knows.

I'm sure LF doesn't know, but he could certainly have his suspicions. He knew Ned well and could be as skeptical about him really having a ******* as the show watchers were. 

 

[Kevrunner]

Rewatching Season 1 now, the last time Ned Stark talked to Jon he told Jon that the next time he saw him he would tell him about his mother, too bad Ned didn't last much longer.

 

[Sconch]

Rewatching Season 1 now, the last time Ned Stark talked to Jon he told Jon that the next time he saw him he would tell him about his mother, too bad Ned didn't last much longer.

So Jon doesn't know who Ned Stark's mother is?

 

[Good Posting Judge]

It's a good point

 

[Daywalker]

Can Jon and Sansa now hook up since they are only cousins?

 

[kentric]

That was an awesome finale.  So much death and carnage.  Loved the way they blew up the citadel with wildfire.  Special effects were nice.

Anyone else get the feeling that Jon will be marrying Daenerys?  Seems pretty clear with the family history of marriage and cementing the throne through political marriage.

 

[packersfan]

I'm sure LF doesn't know, but he could certainly have his suspicions. He knew Ned well and could be as skeptical about him really having a ******* as the show watchers were. 

Yup and plenty of people on the show have questioned the cover story in the past. Jamie has. Stannis has. Little Finger clearly seemed to question it when Sansa brought it up. I don't think he knows Jon's true parentage but he knows when Jon arrived on the scene and if he has any suspicions about what happened to Lyanna he's gonna start digging and it may not be difficult for him to piece it all together the way the book readers did (yeah I know, what books?) years ago.

 

[packersfan]

Did anyone else feel like the whole Tyrion becoming hand of the queen thing was a bit forced?  It seemed to me he should have done something more to prove himself before that happened. 

I thought it was great. Tyrion has always given off the "I don't give a F" vibe but what he's always wanted was respect for what he had rightfully earned. He finally got it by someone who mattered to him and you could see how much it meant to him. Dinklage freaking rules. He was incredible in that scene.

And I think Tyrion has proven himself. He's provided wise counsel and there's no doubt in my mind he played a key role in Varys going off to Dorne which has secured a huge part of Dany's new army. That was a huge alliance that's been formed. Plus as he said the first time he met her, nobody knows the place they're going like he does and nobody knows Cersei like he does. She needs him by her side.  

 

[shadyridr]

I'm assuming red witch going south will meet red witch advising Dany and will somehow convince them of an alliance with Jon Snow.

 

[On The Rocks]

Sam placing the message into the hand of the guy at the library was pretty funny. 

 

[Thunderlips]

- Jamie will side with Tyrion over Cersei.

 

[belljr]

So serious side question :

Talking about little finger and his suspicions of Jon etc.   Doesn't it help Jon that his mother is an actual Stark? I don't get why it's bad

 

[Mario Kart]

Arya should have said to Bolton:

"My name is Arya Stark. You killed my mother. Prepare to die."

 

[packersfan]

Arya should have said to Bolton:

"My name is Arya Stark. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

It might not matter at all. I've only brought it up for two main reasons:

1. During Lyanna Bad ### Mormont's speech one of her big selling points that got the group to sack up and back Jon was when she said she didn't care if he was a ******* he had Ned Stark's blood flowing in his veins.and because of that he was her king. That really seemed to fire up the group. 

2. That moment came directly after we had just found out that R + L = J. 

It's entirely possible none of this means anything and all that matters to everyone in the North is that Jon is a Stark in some fashion. But those two things just stood out to me in terms of placement and their apparent importance. I'm just speculating but it does seem rather probable Jon's reign as the new King will endure some bumpy patches and perhaps his true parentage is one of them. 

 

[fruity pebbles]

Really? She went from happy, happy, just drinking my wine watching the people die as I smile to appearing to be upset over Tommen. She specifically saved him from being there. I didn't get the feeling she wanted her son dead, just all off the people around him who were controlling him and setting her up.

Seemed like it to me, watching it a second time. She "saved" him from actually physically killing him herself but as soon as the building exploded the Mountain left him all alone.   She knew what state of mind he'd be in and never went to see him. Without him, she assumed the power she's sought from the very beginning. 

 

[fruity pebbles]

Best line of the episode was when Cersai introduced the Mountain and said "he's quiet too"

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Another way to look at it is that from Cersei's POV Tommen had betrayed her for Margaery and High Sparrow, and betraying Cersei always ends with just this, absolute and utter destruction.

Not only that, but what would have been the likely conclusion of the trial? Either execution or lifetime imprisonment in the dungeon, or public airing and proving of the incest charge with Tommen losing his throne and Cersei her position anyway, which she had fought to cover up the whole time. As a practical matter Cersei herself was facing doom.

 

[Quez]

- Jamie will side with Tyrion over Cersei.

The prophecy says she will get choked out by her younger brother.  So we are either gonna have a 1 handed choke out, or a dwarf choke out.

 

[Quez]

Another way to look at it is that from Cersei's POV Tommen had betrayed her for Margaery and High Sparrow, and betraying Cersei always ends with just this, absolute and utter destruction.

Not only that, but what would have been the likely conclusion of the trial? Either execution or lifetime imprisonment in the dungeon, or public airing and proving of the incest charge with Tommen losing his throne and Cersei her position anyway, which she had fought to cover up the whole time. As a practical matter Cersei herself was facing doom.

I was happy to see Cersai blow them all up.   It's amazing how George Martin has been able to change how we feel about characters.  In the beginning we all hated Jamie & Cersai, and now we kind of like them.  Jamie more so than Cersai, but I was getting sick of the Sparrow.  I definitely am glad she got rid of that story line.  My guess is she gets more evil & bitter next season.

 

[tonydead]

That was an awesome finale.  So much death and carnage.  Loved the way they blew up the citadel with wildfire.  Special effects were nice.

Anyone else get the feeling that Jon will be marrying Daenerys?  Seems pretty clear with the family history of marriage and cementing the throne through political marriage.

The fire queen marring the ice king?  Just don't see how that song would go.