Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (4 Viewers)

[Ilov80s]

People love to ##### and moan.

That was the clear highlight of the episode.

 

[KarmaPolice]

People love to ##### and moan.

..or people just disagree that it's the greatest thing ever to be put on TV and every episode is a 10/10. 

 

[NewlyRetired]

I got the feeling we were writing off the direwolves with that scene.  

here is the show runners comments on the scene.

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/game-of-thrones-season-7-episode-2-stormborn-arya-nymeria-reunion-ned-stark-callback-a7856401.html

 

[packersfan]

One thing that has changed for the better for me is Arya's story. Previously her episodes seemed to drag on and on. But ever since she dispatched the Freys, in a fittingly way, I want more Arya!

Her Faceless Man storyline was one of the weakest on the show for a time. But ever since she dropped the mic and said she was going home Arya's back to being one of the strongest stories on the show.

 

[Ilov80s]

Tywin might've gotten beaten by Stannis were it not for Tyrion. Tyrion was the true King that day. He saved his city. 

True, but look where it got him. He came out of it as the biggest loser not part of the Baretheon crew. 

I have 0 clue on that. If so, wouldn't a skull be way more brittle after hundreds of years? Anyway, it's still the Euron story line that I am very meh on.

Yeah, the dragon skulls are hundreds of years old. They mention that the Targaryn kings had them lined up in the throne room but when Robert took over, he had them all moved to the basement. They are hunting trophies but honored remains of former important dragons. Ofcourse you would expect them to be brittle now, but maybe dragon bones don't become brittle? IDK, plenty of things haven't made sense this season.

 

[The Duff Man]

This is feeling more and more like the Night King will win the GOT. 

Dragons might be the only thing that can stop them, and the war for the Iron Throne  may see them get killed. 

Cersei would make a good Night Queen...

 

[packersfan]

True, but look where it got him. He came out of it as the biggest loser not part of the Baretheon crew. 

Yeah, the dragon skulls are hundreds of years old. They mention that the Targaryn kings had them lined up in the throne room but when Robert took over, he had them all moved to the basement. They are hunting trophies but honored remains of former important dragons. Ofcourse you would expect them to be brittle now, but maybe dragon bones don't become brittle? IDK, plenty of things haven't made sense this season.

Because Tywin was a rather mean SOB who hated Tyrion. There was no way he would ever allow Tyrion's full greatness to be realized or enjoyed. That was the bitter pill for Tyrion at that time. He saved his city and his reward was an attempt on his life by Joffrey and further isolation.

 

[RedmondLonghorn]

Yeah I think the Casterly Rock idea is brilliant. Still think it's interesting that Olenna is apparently trying to turn Dany against Tyrion in some fashion. I also agree Little Finger was up to something with the crypt scene. He always is.

I liked the Sam-Jorah scene. Gruesome for sure (loved how it cut to the people eating in the pub) but I think it further sets up Sam as being someone vital to the entire story (not just Jon's although perhaps this become a connection as well) and I like Jorah and am hoping he gets back to Dany even if he's pushed deeper into the friend zone.

I was thinking about it last night and Sam is one of the bravest characters in the entire show. 

 

[Chadstroma]

..or people just disagree that it's the greatest thing ever to be put on TV and every episode is a 10/10. 

Sure. But people love to ##### and moan. 

Every freaking season.... you have people unless you have a Blackwater Bay or Red Wedding going on that they ##### and moan. Heck, people were freaking #####ing and moaning about the Battle of the Bastards last season and that was freaking awesome. 

The only thing of this show that really deserved #####ing and moaning in all of the seasons have been the Dorne storyline that was horrid in execution. And that is another reason why this makes this episode so good. Because a big part of that was ended. 

 

[packersfan]

I was thinking about it last night and Sam is one of the bravest characters in the entire show. 

Yup. That's one of the greatest story arcs we've seen. This fat, loser of a guy who everyone hated has done some amazing things. 

 

[Major]

You are insane. Did you miss the scene of Missandei getting naked? Her naked alone makes the episode a top 10 choice. 

I've seen her before 

 

[hagmania]

I was thinking about it last night and Sam is one of the bravest characters in the entire show. 

We've come a long, long way from Sam the Craven. Great arc.

 

[pantherclub]

I am trying to figure out what they are trying to do with Jorah?  Seems like he could have been completely written off the show and it would be a clean break but they brought him back and now have a plot line for him.  Seems odd.

 

[packersfan]

Sure. But people love to ##### and moan. 

Every freaking season.... you have people unless you have a Blackwater Bay or Red Wedding going on that they ##### and moan. Heck, people were freaking #####ing and moaning about the Battle of the Bastards last season and that was freaking awesome. 

The only thing of this show that really deserved #####ing and moaning in all of the seasons have been the Dorne storyline that was horrid in execution. And that is another reason why this makes this episode so good. Because a big part of that was ended. 

That and most of Arya's Faceless Man storyline was tough sledding to get through.

I don't think every episode is a Perfect 10 but I don't see a drop in quality at all. As I said in my first post there were tons of things in this episode I really enjoyed a lot. That's one of the things I like about the season so far. I'm not feeling as if anything unnecessary is being added to the mix. 

 

[Chadstroma]

I liked the Sam-Jorah scene. Gruesome for sure (loved how it cut to the people eating in the pub) but I think it further sets up Sam as being someone vital to the entire story (not just Jon's although perhaps this become a connection as well) and I like Jorah and am hoping he gets back to Dany even if he's pushed deeper into the friend zone.

The actor who plays Sam, John Bradley-West, is brilliant. He does the little things that you have to be paying attention to in order to see that really make a difference- similar to Peter. 

 

[hagmania]

A Song of Ice and Fire = Combining Ice and Fire = Water

Euron wins the game of thrones confirmed.

 

[NewlyRetired]

I am confused by something.

During Tyrion's speech on how they intended to organize the battle, he referred to the "Martell army" and the "Dornish army" as separate entities.  Should they be one in the same?

 

[RedmondLonghorn]

He is also the moral compass. He is one of the only characters, maybe the only one, who seems to only care about what is right, rather than what advances his interests.

 

[pantherclub]

Also have they ever said on the show or in the books how they killed all the dragons in the past?

 

[AnonymousBob]

It's likely Theon just reverted to Reek, but isn't it possible he's bailing for a smart reason? I'm not sure he's good enough to beat his uncle head on, and even if he is they had a lot more guys. I'm not sure how him sacrificing himself saves her life in any way. 

 

[Chadstroma]

I've seen her before 

I could do with seeing her over and over and over.... every morning would be perfect for me. 

 

[hagmania]

I am trying to figure out what they are trying to do with Jorah?  Seems like he could have been completely written off the show and it would be a clean break but they brought him back and now have a plot line for him.  Seems odd.

Doff the Grey, don the Black. Gonna take up where his daddy left off with the Night's Watch and make him proud.

 

[Hawks64]

The discussion in here is about as silly as the episode was.

Hi, El Floppo!

Welcome to the GoT thread!

Feel free to post absolute horse-crap and baseless speculation!

 

[KarmaPolice]

Sure. But people love to ##### and moan. 

Every freaking season.... you have people unless you have a Blackwater Bay or Red Wedding going on that they ##### and moan. Heck, people were freaking #####ing and moaning about the Battle of the Bastards last season and that was freaking awesome. 

The only thing of this show that really deserved #####ing and moaning in all of the seasons have been the Dorne storyline that was horrid in execution. And that is another reason why this makes this episode so good. Because a big part of that was ended. 

Yeah, I am the opposite with my #####ing and moaning.  Sure the huge spectacle scenes are great but the quiet moments and character development isn't what it used to be, and for my money that is what it really excelled at through the first 4 seasons. 

 

[hagmania]

He is also the moral compass. He is one of the only characters, maybe the only one, who seems to only care about what is right, rather than what advances his interests.

RIP Stannis.

 

[Chadstroma]

It's likely Theon just reverted to Reek, but isn't it possible he's bailing for a smart reason? I'm not sure he's good enough to beat his uncle head on, and even if he is they had a lot more guys. I'm not sure how him sacrificing himself saves her life in any way. 

Unless it was intentional to throw us off... the quick cuts to show trophy taking of body parts seems to have been the major deciding factor. 

 

[hagmania]

Ok the dude burned his daughter alive. Not quite the moral compass.

 

[AnonymousBob]

If Dany would just go to Cersei with full force, display the dragons, lay out her terms and give everyone a couple of days, I'm pretty sure several of Cersei's allies would have a change of heart. Would be easy to take the city after that. 

 

[El Floppo]

Sure. But people love to ##### and moan. 

Every freaking season.... you have people unless you have a Blackwater Bay or Red Wedding going on that they ##### and moan. Heck, people were freaking #####ing and moaning about the Battle of the Bastards last season and that was freaking awesome. 

The only thing of this show that really deserved #####ing and moaning in all of the seasons have been the Dorne storyline that was horrid in execution. And that is another reason why this makes this episode so good. Because a big part of that was ended. 

I watched it last night and something just felt off.

came in here, and I'm obviously not the only one. we all love the show- but it's nice to be able to talk about what's going on and why it feels different in quality. and of course to listen to the inevitable people who get upset that anybody talks about the problems with the show. every freaking season.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Also have they ever said on the show or in the books how they killed all the dragons in the past?

in the book The Untold History of Westeroos, almost every dragon's fate is detailed.   Is there a specific dragon you are interested in knowing how it died?  Many died in battle The Dance of Dragons..

 

[Major]

I could do with seeing her over and over and over.... every morning would be perfect for me. 

I'd trade you Missandei for three Sand Snakes

 

[packersfan]

I could do with seeing her over and over and over.... every morning would be perfect for me. 

I   Missandei from the Isle of Naath.

Big time.

 

[AnonymousBob]

Unless it was intentional to throw us off... the quick cuts to show trophy taking of body parts seems to have been the major deciding factor. 

Yeah he probably went full Reek but even if didn't how does he save her at that point? 

 

[pantherclub]

in the book The Untold History of Westeroos, almost every dragon's fate is detailed.   Is there a specific dragon you are interested in knowing how it died?  Many died in battle The Dance of Dragons..

How did they die?  Is there a standard way to fight them?  The big cross bow doesnt really seem effective to me.

How did that big one in the cellar die?

 

[Slapdash]

Hi, El Floppo!

Welcome to the GoT thread!

Feel free to post absolute horse-crap and baseless speculation!

Last several pages are a nice rebuttal to people that argue it is better to see a show live than binging for the discussion/debate.

 

[packersfan]

RIP Stannis.

Stannis burned his daughter alive at the stake and allowed his brother to be murdered by a shadow demon he helped create. He wasn't the show's moral compass by any stretch.

 

[pantherclub]

Yeah he probably went full Reek but even if didn't how does he save her at that point? 

Was that her hanging from the bow of the boat in the last shot or did he capture her to give to Cersei?

 

[Chadstroma]

I watched it last night and something just felt off.

came in here, and I'm obviously not the only one. we all love the show- but it's nice to be able to talk about what's going on and why it feels different in quality. and of course to listen to the inevitable people who get upset that anybody talks about the problems with the show. every freaking season.

It was different because there were a lot of scenes covering the various storylines coming together. Which is funny because most of the #####ing and moaning in the past is about such and such storyline dragging or spending too much time here or there. Then you get an episode the has a lot of quick hits and the #####ing and moaning is about it being rushed. I bet it is even the same people #####ing and moaning too. 

 

[El Floppo]

Unless it was intentional to throw us off... the quick cuts to show trophy taking of body parts seems to have been the major deciding factor. 

I don't think he and the director/writers slow-played us with this. 

they made a point of showing the mayhem and showing his quick reversion physically (his eyes especially) into reek. and then just bobbing along fearfully in the wreckage.. not furiously paddling to try to get somewhere.

I'm with you and the other posters who think he did in fact lose his #### here and just freak out back into reek. 

 

[packersfan]

Was that her hanging from the bow of the boat in the last shot or did he capture her to give to Cersei?

Two of the Sand Snakes

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I love every part of Arya's storyline from start to finish.  I have no problem with a season of buildup to what she is now.  Because knowing everything she has been through makes what she is now so much more appealing and fun to watch.  She isn't a pretend ninja assassin of death, she actually is one, and we know how she got there.  Just didn't have a complaint about the last 2 years at all.

This is actually kind of my point.  We can buy that Arya is a bad### many-faced assassin because we spent a lot of time watching her difficult journey to get there.

Under the show's current pacing she would have boarded the ship to Braavos an episode after the Red Wedding, and then in her next scene she'd have been murdering Walder Frey as a many-faced assassin and we'd all be rolling our eyes at it instead of enjoying it with great, earned satisfaction.

Even the Ramsey torture scenes and his following scenes gave us enough on him and built him up enough that when it was time for him to make the transition for secondary character to the big bad, it felt natural and made sense.  This is always what the show has done really well.  Give us background characters but spend enough time with them and give their stories enough of an arc that when a bunch of main characters die and it's time for them to step into the spotlight, it works.

These are all things that are missing with Euron that would have made a lot of what's going on now a lot more palatable if done in the quality the show has shown previously.

 

[packersfan]

It was different because there were a lot of scenes covering the various storylines coming together. Which is funny because most of the #####ing and moaning in the past is about such and such storyline dragging or spending too much time here or there. Then you get an episode the has a lot of quick hits and the #####ing and moaning is about it being rushed. I bet it is even the same people #####ing and moaning too. 

I don't dispute people's rights to feel how they feel but this is a good point. The storylines are compact right now which makes sense with the show coming to an end. I'm not seeing any useless bits.

 

[El Floppo]

huh... could be genetic cracks showing up in her demeanor.

I just read it as her getting nearer to her goal and realizing loyalties and oaths were going to be determine whether she gets there or not. instead of playing around, she's cutting straight to the quick; you're either with me or against me- if you're with me, show me by taking the symbolic gesture of taking a knee in my name.

but that said- the pace did bother me last night, but also it felt written by a completley different team. we've had seasons and seasons of intrigue and deception/subtlety ... now all of sudden (and it felt sudden to me, especially given the pace), everybody's just flat out saying what they want and/or need from other people. it came across as too obvious and a bit soap-operish (I think Koya mentioned that word earlier, and it felt apt) and rushed. still really fun to watch- but in comparison to what they've given us for years... totally different and a step down in quality. as I mentioned earlier- they spent an entire season plus on "a girl with no name", but now we're racing through this. feels very uneven to me.  

It was different because there were a lot of scenes covering the various storylines coming together. Which is funny because most of the #####ing and moaning in the past is about such and such storyline dragging or spending too much time here or there. Then you get an episode the has a lot of quick hits and the #####ing and moaning is about it being rushed. I bet it is even the same people #####ing and moaning too. 

I definitely thought the no-name stuff was dragged out... and likely mentioned it at the time. 

but it's the writing in this one that felt off as much as the pace. see my post above.

 

[RedmondLonghorn]

I don't think he and the director/writers slow-played us with this. 

they made a point of showing the mayhem and showing his quick reversion physically (his eyes especially) into reek. and then just bobbing along fearfully in the wreckage.. not furiously paddling to try to get somewhere.

I'm with you and the other posters who think he did in fact lose his #### here and just freak out back into reek. 

Let's be clear though, Theon Greyjoy was pretty much a little ##### before he got castrated and tortured. 

Reek is who he is, underneath his pretension and posturing.

 

[packersfan]

Let's be clear though, Theon Greyjoy was pretty much a little ##### before he got castrated and tortured. 

Reek is who he is, underneath his pretension and posturing.

Bingo

 

[NewlyRetired]

How did that big one in the cellar die?

Balerion was Aegon's Dragon, one of the oldest dragons ever.  He eventually died of old age.

Other dragons died fighting each other typically.  

Something changed over time in the dragon breeding where they stopped growing big.  Towards the end they grew no bigger than cats until they became extinct.

 

[Chadstroma]

I'd trade you Missandei for three Sand Snakes

Ooooohhhh.... well, one of the snakes would be easy go give up but I do like the one with the whip and the one that showed her boobs to Bronn is make second favorite hottie on the show..... then of course having three vs one...... maybe throw in Yara to even it up? 

 

[packersfan]

This is actually kind of my point.  We can buy that Arya is a bad### many-faced assassin because we spent a lot of time watching her difficult journey to get there.

Under the show's current pacing she would have boarded the ship to Braavos an episode after the Red Wedding, and then in her next scene she'd have been murdering Walder Frey as a many-faced assassin and we'd all be rolling our eyes at it instead of enjoying it with great, earned satisfaction.

Even the Ramsey torture scenes and his following scenes gave us enough on him and built him up enough that when it was time for him to make the transition for secondary character to the big bad, it felt natural and made sense.  This is always what the show has done really well.  Give us background characters but spend enough time with them and give their stories enough of an arc that when a bunch of main characters die and it's time for them to step into the spotlight, it works.

These are all things that are missing with Euron that would have made a lot of what's going on now a lot more palatable if done in the quality the show has shown previously.

I said last week it's going to be very difficult to make Euron into the type of villain Tywin, Joffrey or Ramsay were. There just isn't enough time. All of those others had numerous seasons to build up how we felt about them and those seasons added several layers to the characters. No time to do that with Euron so I'm just hoping he's enjoyable to watch. So far so good there.

 

[El Floppo]

Let's be clear though, Theon Greyjoy was pretty much a little ##### before he got castrated and tortured. 

Reek is who he is, underneath his pretension and posturing.

yeah- very well could be.

sounds like I'm not alone in wishing that he was more stark than greyjoy... and he's had a couple moments in that direction... but you're probably right about this.

 

[hagmania]

These are all things that are missing with Euron that would have made a lot of what's going on now a lot more palatable if done in the quality the show has shown previously.

Can you even imagine the Kingsmoot being held in Season 4? That's where Ol' Uncle Euron is introduced in ASOIAF. This is where the structuring of the books falls apart when taken to on-screen adaptation.