Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (6 Viewers)

[Time Kibitzer]

No way Tyrion dies imo. Everyone thinks it's possible/likely he'll die now that Oberyn died for him; and based on GoT on HBO's past that all but ensures his survival. The death of main characters only happens when it's totally unexpected, which wouldn't be the case for Tyrion at this stage.

 

[Norman Paperman]

No way the Mountain lives. Blood shot out of his mouth when the spear went through him. That's massive internal bleeding. Plus his lower leg got sliced pretty good. No way he doesn't bleed out in 90 seconds after skull-popping Oberyn.

Eta: which brings up an interesting point - Oberyn may have delivered the fatal blow first, even though he died first. Food for thought.

The only way for Tyrion to survive is for Oberyn to have lived. He did not. The gods have judged Tyrion harshly. There are no "ties" in trial by combat, only life or death. Oberyn dies, Tyrion dies. It was a good run.

 

[Freelove]

I would count Jamie as dynamic...at least our view of him certainly is.

I would say so, but with him it's more a question of whether his character is central enough to be a driver for the story. If not, then his head could certainly be on the chopping block at any time. It's a big story, and can support lots of characters, but not infinite. And of course, even story driving POV characters can become cannon fodder once their character arcs reach their dramatic conclusions. But I think Jamie still has roles to play, so I'm tempted to agree with you.

I always forget Stannis and his lot are even out there. But I'm not seeing a lot of development on his end, either. Davos is clearly the one that action is swirling around out there, even though he kind of puts me to sleep. And may the gods preserve the Red Woman and her predilection for nudity.

 

[Quez]

Mentioned earlier about Arya laughing at her aunt's death - she wasn't laughing at that directly - she was laughing that the mighty Hounds plan fell through..

I think the Hound dies this season... I hope not, but I'd guess he is a character that doesn't get to season 5.

Yah, Arya's comment about him not walking as fast as he usually does made me think the same thing.

I was half expecting the mountain to confess, then Oberyn throw the spear at Tywin. Didn't expect that outcome at all. I have no doubt they'll still save Tyrion somehow, just don't see how.

Yup, that scene was the warning that Hound is out.Honestly, with the amount of curveballs from the show, I think it is almost probable Tyrion dies... Majority think he somehow survives, for that reason I think he goes. They always do the opposite of what you expect, since we all expect him to survive, he dies.

I think the opposite. I think so many people expect him to die because it is Game of Thrones, who's not afraid to kill main characters, that it will actually be surprising at this point if he does live.

I don't expect him to die simply because they have drawn it out for 3 episodes. People die quickly & surprisingly in GoT.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Mentioned earlier about Arya laughing at her aunt's death - she wasn't laughing at that directly - she was laughing that the mighty Hounds plan fell through..

I think the Hound dies this season... I hope not, but I'd guess he is a character that doesn't get to season 5.

Yah, Arya's comment about him not walking as fast as he usually does made me think the same thing.

I was half expecting the mountain to confess, then Oberyn throw the spear at Tywin. Didn't expect that outcome at all. I have no doubt they'll still save Tyrion somehow, just don't see how.

Yup, that scene was the warning that Hound is out.Honestly, with the amount of curveballs from the show, I think it is almost probable Tyrion dies... Majority think he somehow survives, for that reason I think he goes. They always do the opposite of what you expect, since we all expect him to survive, he dies.

I think the opposite. I think so many people expect him to die because it is Game of Thrones, who's not afraid to kill main characters, that it will actually be surprising at this point if he does live.

I don't expect him to die simply because they have drawn it out for 3 episodes. People die quickly & surprisingly in GoT.

Ned rotted in a dungeon for a few episodes as well.

 

[Juxtatarot]

If you had to put money on one character that would make it alive until the end of the series, who would it be? I'd pick Arya.

 

[Thunderlips]

Mentioned earlier about Arya laughing at her aunt's death - she wasn't laughing at that directly - she was laughing that the mighty Hounds plan fell through..

I think the Hound dies this season... I hope not, but I'd guess he is a character that doesn't get to season 5.

Yah, Arya's comment about him not walking as fast as he usually does made me think the same thing.

I was half expecting the mountain to confess, then Oberyn throw the spear at Tywin. Didn't expect that outcome at all. I have no doubt they'll still save Tyrion somehow, just don't see how.

Yup, that scene was the warning that Hound is out.Honestly, with the amount of curveballs from the show, I think it is almost probable Tyrion dies... Majority think he somehow survives, for that reason I think he goes. They always do the opposite of what you expect, since we all expect him to survive, he dies.

I think the opposite. I think so many people expect him to die because it is Game of Thrones, who's not afraid to kill main characters, that it will actually be surprising at this point if he does live.

I don't expect him to die simply because they have drawn it out for 3 episodes. People die quickly & surprisingly in GoT.

To the astute viewer, there was a number of episodes that foretold Robb Stark's demise.

 

[Thunderlips]

If you had to put money on one character that would make it alive until the end of the series, who would it be? I'd pick Arya.

Hot Pie. Best gravy in Westeros.

 

[fruity pebbles]

No way Tyrion dies imo. Everyone thinks it's possible/likely he'll die now that Oberyn died for him; and based on GoT on HBO's past that all but ensures his survival. The death of main characters only happens when it's totally unexpected, which wouldn't be the case for Tyrion at this stage.

I agree. I bet someone unexpected dies either trying to save him or something like that.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Mentioned earlier about Arya laughing at her aunt's death - she wasn't laughing at that directly - she was laughing that the mighty Hounds plan fell through..

I think the Hound dies this season... I hope not, but I'd guess he is a character that doesn't get to season 5.

Yah, Arya's comment about him not walking as fast as he usually does made me think the same thing.

I was half expecting the mountain to confess, then Oberyn throw the spear at Tywin. Didn't expect that outcome at all. I have no doubt they'll still save Tyrion somehow, just don't see how.

Yup, that scene was the warning that Hound is out.Honestly, with the amount of curveballs from the show, I think it is almost probable Tyrion dies... Majority think he somehow survives, for that reason I think he goes. They always do the opposite of what you expect, since we all expect him to survive, he dies.

I think the opposite. I think so many people expect him to die because it is Game of Thrones, who's not afraid to kill main characters, that it will actually be surprising at this point if he does live.

I don't expect him to die simply because they have drawn it out for 3 episodes. People die quickly & surprisingly in GoT.

Ned rotted in a dungeon for a few episodes as well.

But he wasn't supposed to die. Joff was supposed to send him to the wall.

 

[Chaka]

Mentioned earlier about Arya laughing at her aunt's death - she wasn't laughing at that directly - she was laughing that the mighty Hounds plan fell through..

I think the Hound dies this season... I hope not, but I'd guess he is a character that doesn't get to season 5.

Yah, Arya's comment about him not walking as fast as he usually does made me think the same thing.

I was half expecting the mountain to confess, then Oberyn throw the spear at Tywin. Didn't expect that outcome at all. I have no doubt they'll still save Tyrion somehow, just don't see how.

Yup, that scene was the warning that Hound is out.

Honestly, with the amount of curveballs from the show, I think it is almost probable Tyrion dies... Majority think he somehow survives, for that reason I think he goes. They always do the opposite of what you expect, since we all expect him to survive, he dies.

I think the opposite. I think so many people expect him to die because it is Game of Thrones, who's not afraid to kill main characters, that it will actually be surprising at this point if he does live.

It's not about main characters and minor characters. It's about static characters and dynamic characters.

Ned Stark, main though he was, was static. Honor, duty, honor, duty, rah, rah, rah. He stood for something, and was a likable and sympathetic character, but his character "arc" was flat. He didn't change from the moment we met him till the moment his head started to roll. Robert, same thing. Robb, same thing.

Authors don't kill off their dynamic characters. Not till the very end, anyway. Because it's their ever-changing character arcs that drive the story. That's what it means when you hear a story called "character based" instead of "plot driven."

Tyrion's a dynamic character. He was a cowardly, aloof, drunken, intellectual whore monger, and the shame of his family. He's become a lot more than that. He's led armies, found (and lost) true love, engendered the sympathies of his golden-child brother. His character is one of the ones driving the story, so he'll live to keep driving storylines in the future.

The Hound's a dynamic character. Arya's a dynamic character. Sansa's a dynamic character. Dany's one. Jon is. The crippled kid is.

If you want to worry about anyone's fate, worry about Cersei (who has been pure, malevolent evil since we first met her), Littlefinger (raw, unthrottled ambition), Tywin (family pride and power lust), and any other major character you don't see growing. Those are the players GOT seems to like to slaughter.

ETA: I'm torn on Jamie.

Very astute analysis.

Jamie is very clearly dynamic. I doubt that makes him bullteproof but his character has grown tremendously.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Bran is dynamic?

 

[Psychopav]

Bran is dynamic?

If you eat enough of it, it sure is.

 

[Freelove]

Bran is dynamic?

Yes? He was a wall climbing castle brat and now he's some kind of crippled barbarian voodoo priest or something. Did you miss that subtle transition?

 

[timschochet]

If you had to put money on one character that would make it alive until the end of the series, who would it be? I'd pick Arya.

Dany.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Bran is dynamic?

Yes? He was a wall climbing castle brat and now he's some kind of crippled barbarian voodoo priest or something. Did you miss that subtle transition?

he was a wall climbing castle brat for one episode.

now he just has dreams and more dreams and has gone from controlling Summer to controlling Hodor, which mentally is a downgrade.

sorry, bran bores me more than stannis. however, I also haven't seen nearly the personality arc take place that so many other characters have gone through that you listed. I am sure this bran story has a purpose and end game, but so far I am enjoying little of the ride.

 

[KarmaPolice]

If you had to put money on one character that would make it alive until the end of the series, who would it be? I'd pick Arya.

Dany.

that would be my pick too. fire kills white walkers, so dragons trump an army of them. we need those dragons in westeros which to me means dany is in for the duration.

 

[Arizona Ron]

If you had to put money on one character that would make it alive until the end of the series, who would it be? I'd pick Arya.

Daenerys

 

[Wildcat]

Bran (crippled and young), Arya, Sansa, Dany (young and women), Tyrion (dwarf), Jon (*******). Do you think it's a coincidence that those are dynamic characters? It seems pretty obvious to me that George RR Martin has an affinity towards characters that are not your typical heroes and is trying to send a message. I've only read the first book, but that group would be my bet on some of the characters that survive throughout the series.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Does timschooch know there's porn on the internet?

 

[fruity pebbles]

If you guys are right, i agree that Tywin and Cersai should be nervous.

 

[timschochet]

Does timschooch know there's porn on the internet?

I've been aware of that fact for some time yes. And?

 

[timschochet]

If you guys are right, i agree that Tywin and Cersai should be nervous.

But maybe not Littlefinger; he may not be dynamic but his story is interesting: will he win?

 

[culdeus]

So lets say Mance and Boltons armies square off at some point. Who do you root for?

Because it looks like the Boltons are the only thing that resemble an organized army in the North right now.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Does timschooch know there's porn on the internet?

I've been aware of that fact for some time yes. And?

I'm just saying if all you want to do is watch sex on tv that's available, so maybe you can stop posting about it.

 

[Freelove]

If you guys are right, i agree that Tywin and Cersai should be nervous.

I'm trusting in the literary sensibilities of the writers when I talk in terms like those. What I've seen so far leads me to believe they're good writers. A couple of the storylines look at this point like they could have used pruning, but I'll trust that it's in the name of a big payoff.

Should say by way of illustration that there's a big difference between the changes a Ned went through and the changes a Bran is going through.

Ned was a fairly major noble, who was going through some fairly major suffering. (Death in the family, kingdom under stress, etc.) He became a massively major noble, who went through massively major suffering. His changes were thus changes in degree, but not in kind. The changes were to what he did, but not who he was.

Bran, even if he's a snooze sometimes, is discovering who he is, and that person is transforming based on his decisions and actions.

I don't mean to insult anyone's opinions on the relative interesting-ness of Ned vs. Bran when I call the former static, and the latter dynamic. They're just lit terms that describe the types of roles they're playing.

 

[Freelove]

If you guys are right, i agree that Tywin and Cersai should be nervous.

But maybe not Littlefinger; he may not be dynamic but his story is interesting: will he win?

Agree completely. Hope that story continues to play out. Just saying it wouldn't exactly shock me at all to see Arya gnawing on his thighbone by this time next week.

 

[timschochet]

Does timschooch know there's porn on the internet?

I've been aware of that fact for some time yes. And?

I'm just saying if all you want to do is watch sex on tv that's available, so maybe you can stop posting about it.

Is it really that annoying to you that I drop a few throwaway lines once in a while about certain characters I'd like to see "more" of? Am I the only one guilty of this?

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Does timschooch know there's porn on the internet?

I've been aware of that fact for some time yes. And?

I'm just saying if all you want to do is watch sex on tv that's available, so maybe you can stop posting about it.

Is it really that annoying to you that I drop a few throwaway lines once in a while about certain characters I'd like to see "more" of? Am I the only one guilty of this?

Pretty weird, imo.

 

[fruity pebbles]

If you guys are right, i agree that Tywin and Cersai should be nervous.

But maybe not Littlefinger; he may not be dynamic but his story is interesting: will he win?

Agree completely. Hope that story continues to play out. Just saying it wouldn't exactly shock me at all to see Arya gnawing on his thighbone by this time next week.

Cersai stills interests me as well. Tywin is a bore, especially since hes become hand of the king.

 

[Thunderlips]

So lets say Mance and Boltons armies square off at some point. Who do you root for?

Because it looks like the Boltons are the only thing that resemble an organized army in the North right now.

Mance's reasons for doing what he did/does are more noble than why Bolton did what he did. I vote for Mance.

 

[shadyridr]

If you had to put money on one character that would make it alive until the end of the series, who would it be? I'd pick Arya.

Ser Pounce

 

[Homer J Simpson]

Does timschooch know there's porn on the internet?

I've been aware of that fact for some time yes. And?

I'm just saying if all you want to do is watch sex on tv that's available, so maybe you can stop posting about it.

Is it really that annoying to you that I drop a few throwaway lines once in a while about certain characters I'd like to see "more" of? Am I the only one guilty of this?

You're not the only one, but for some reason it's super creepy when you do it.

 

[Amused to Death]

If you had to put money on one character that would make it alive until the end of the series, who would it be? I'd pick Arya.

Ser Pounce

That's cheating, he's got 9 freakin' lives.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Does timschooch know there's porn on the internet?

I've been aware of that fact for some time yes. And?

I'm just saying if all you want to do is watch sex on tv that's available, so maybe you can stop posting about it.

Is it really that annoying to you that I drop a few throwaway lines once in a while about certain characters I'd like to see "more" of? Am I the only one guilty of this?

You're not the only one, but for some reason it's super creepy when you do it.

It's almost as if someone is trying to shout how much they love women after asking to see little boy love earlier.

 

[hxperson]

Does timschooch know there's porn on the internet?

I've been aware of that fact for some time yes. And?

I'm just saying if all you want to do is watch sex on tv that's available, so maybe you can stop posting about it.

Is it really that annoying to you that I drop a few throwaway lines once in a while about certain characters I'd like to see "more" of? Am I the only one guilty of this?

You're not the only one, but for some reason it's super creepy when you do it.

It's almost as if someone is trying to shout how much they love women after asking to see little boy love earlier.

Maybe so, but he's right about the handmaid. She is smokin'

 

[shadyridr]

If you had to put money on one character that would make it alive until the end of the series, who would it be? I'd pick Arya.

Ser Pounce

That's cheating, he's got 9 freakin' lives.

why do you think I picked him?

 

[shadyridr]

Does timschooch know there's porn on the internet?

I've been aware of that fact for some time yes. And?

I'm just saying if all you want to do is watch sex on tv that's available, so maybe you can stop posting about it.

Is it really that annoying to you that I drop a few throwaway lines once in a while about certain characters I'd like to see "more" of? Am I the only one guilty of this?

You're not the only one, but for some reason it's super creepy when you do it.

and this is coming from Homer

 

[Amused to Death]

If you had to put money on one character that would make it alive until the end of the series, who would it be? I'd pick Arya.

Ser Pounce

That's cheating, he's got 9 freakin' lives.

why do you think I picked him?

As long as the Bolton's don't get him. Then we'd find out how many ways there are to skin a cat. I've heard there's more than 1.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

Does timschooch know there's porn on the internet?

I've been aware of that fact for some time yes. And?

I'm just saying if all you want to do is watch sex on tv that's available, so maybe you can stop posting about it.

Is it really that annoying to you that I drop a few throwaway lines once in a while about certain characters I'd like to see "more" of? Am I the only one guilty of this?

You're not the only one, but for some reason it's super creepy when you do it.

and this is coming from Homer

Seriously!!!

 

[kentric]

Isn't Cersei's daughter in Dorn? If so, I'm thinking this may be Tyrion's saving grace if Dorn uses her as a pawn as to why one of it's princes was killed.

geez guys- he volunteered to be champion. why do you think there will be such an uproar in dorne?

well we also got the confession that the mountain raped and killed oberyns sister. but yea, I doubt there is too much to come from this in regards to dorne

Not to mention that Oberyn previously stated that people in Dorn will not harm children (for political purposes).

 

[UniAlias]

He also stated that "today is not the day I die" so he's clearly a liar IMO.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

So lets say Mance and Boltons armies square off at some point. Who do you root for?

Because it looks like the Boltons are the only thing that resemble an organized army in the North right now.

Mance's reasons for doing what he did/does are more noble than why Bolton did what he did. I vote for Mance.

I don't think there's any way Westeros survives the threat from the North unless all these warring factions are unified against a common enemy. Kind of like how Herb Brooks brought the boys together in 1980.

I suspect that this is where Jon Snow plays his role. Tyrion would be huge towards this end as well, if he somehow manages to survive and ends up at the Wall. They're the types that could ultimately forge an alliance with Danaerys as well.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

I have a pretty solid theory on the whole series' endgame, but I'm not sure I want to make it public.

 

[kentric]

Only way I see Tyrion living is Jaime somehow saving him. Escape? Kill his ####### father, sister, nephew and take over?

Only envision four people trying to save Tyrion. Jaime, Varys (he sees it as a long-term good for the realm), Bronn (long-shot, saves him with alot less rish than fighting the mountain) or, Oberyn's lover (another long shot, but wants to add strife/discomfort to the Lannister clan).

Of Jaime and Varys, I'd expect the more interesting saviour to be Jaime. Varys could rescue him without being caught. Jaime however would either leave a clear trail to him or, his sister/father (if they remain alive) would ask him outright if he let Tyrion go and he'd say "yes". Stupid Jaime.

 

[the moops]

Maybe Shae feels some remorse and helps get him out?

I am convinced that Tyrion is going to live though. Wouldn't be surprised to see him take a few people out during his escape or something.

 

[kentric]

Maybe Shae feels some remorse and helps get him out?

I am convinced that Tyrion is going to live though. Wouldn't be surprised to see him take a few people out during his escape or something.

Forgot about Shae. A long shot too, but good call.

 

[the moops]

Never mind, looked it up.

Names of the two episodes are Watchers on the Wall, and The Children.

Hmmm.

Guess we see a big battle between Snow and Mance? Who is going to come help the Nights Watch? Cant be much of a battle with 100 guys against 100,000.

The Children? Wonder what that one is about? Do all the Stark kids finally meet up at the Wall?

 

[dickey moe]

Crushed like an egg. Tywin should serve Tyrion scrambled Oberyn brains for breakfast.

 

[Freelove]

I have a pretty solid theory on the whole series' endgame, but I'm not sure I want to make it public.

Drop a hint or two in a spoiler tag?