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[GregR]

So lets say something happens to Tommen, is the Throne wide open to whoever can take it? I could see the Martells making a play for it. They seem to have a strong house and are/where tied in with the Targaryens. Robert became king because he took it I could see them being strong enough to take it.

Well the throne is always open to whoever can take it, whether someone is on it or not.

But if you mean with a valid claim of legitimacy, there is an order of succession, that wouldn't be open to just anyone.

Like someone in the Targaryen bloodline?

Well, if someone recognized the Targarayens as still being the rightful rulers they would say it would be Dany. But someone who called Robert the rightful king would not see Dany as being in the line of succession.

And anyone supporting it's still a Targaryen throne does so in secrecy. So just focusing on the current king's succession, it would be like CBusAlex was saying. Not positive how it would work in Westeros, but normal might be... it goes to the king's eldest son if he has one (how Joffrey got it from Robert). If not it goes to his eldest daughter. If no children it would go to his eldest brother (how Tommen got it from Joffrey since Joffrey has no kids). If no brother then to his eldest sister (how Myrcyella would get it from Tommen since Tommen has no kids or brothers).

Not sure after that... uncle and then aunt? Go far enough down the line and people may start to have multiple ties to the throne through family connections. Similar to how Margaery is going to be Cersei's step-sister and daughter-in-law both if Cersei marries Loras. Though marriage doesn't put you in line for the throne, your kids would get the benefit of connections.

 

[PatsWillWin]

If we're talking about just straight line of succession, it would be Myrcella IMO. She is the last direct heir to Robert (even though she isn't actually heir to Robert, you know what I mean).

Sansa is the heir to Winterfell because there are no male heirs left (even though there are male heirs left, you know what I mean again). Marrying Ramsay makes him de facto lord of Winterfell, and mixes the Bolton/Stark bloodline for all time should their passionate lovemaking produce a child.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

Back on Gendry,

Is he not the rightful heir to the throne? I recall in one of the early seasons a discussion indicating Cersei got rid of a child that she birthed and that this was something of a secret. I presume Robert was the father. so he's a legitimate son of the king and queen. I can't recall why she gave up the baby (and I could be misremembering) but perhaps it had something to do with the fact that Jamie was not the father. Anyway, I think this "missing" child is Gendry.

Where the hell did he go anyway?

When this season ends, I think I'll watch it over from the beginning. So much foreshadowing without even knowing it until seasons later.

You people come up with some half-assed ideas.

Cersei made sure she aborted all of Robert's legitimate children.

Gendry is Robert's *******. Bastards don't have legitimate claims to titles but in a country at civil war an illegitimate claim can still be powerful.

Maybe?

Season One, Episode Two:

Catelyn is by Bran's bedside after his fall.

Cersei Lannister: Please.

Catelyn Stark: I would have dressed, your Grace.
Cersei Lannister: This is your home. I'm your guest.
[Catelyn sits. Cersei approaches Bran's bed]
Cersei Lannister: Handsome one, isn't he? I lost my first boy.
[surprised, Catelyn stares at Cersei]
Cersei Lannister: A little black-haired beauty. He was a fighter too... tried to beat the fever that took him. Forgive me. It's the last thing you need to hear right now.
Catelyn Stark: [shakes her head] I never knew.
Cersei Lannister: It was years ago. Robert was crazed, beat his hands bloody on the wall, all the things men do to show you how much they care. The boy looked just like him. Such a little thing... a bird without feathers. They came to take his body away and Robert held me. I screamed and I battled, but he held me.
[Cersei's eyes are filled with tears]
Cersei Lannister: That little bundle. They took him away and I never saw him again. Never have visited the crypt, never.
[long moment of silence]
Cersei Lannister: I pray to the mother every morning and night that she return your child to you.
Catelyn Stark: [nods] I am grateful.
Cersei Lannister: Perhaps this time she'll listen.

The following scene is of a blacksmith. I think Gentry was a blacksmith's apprentice.

 

[Super King]

Did any of you people watch the preview for next week? Stannis is going to Winterfell.

 

[Christo]

Did any of you people watch the preview for next week? Stannis is going to Winterfell.

NO WE DIDN'T!

 

[flapgreen]

Did any of you people watch the preview for next week? Stannis is going to Winterfell.

OMG! Previews don't exist in here!!!11!

 

[Super King]

If it's been televised, its legit to talk about here. Burning lizardface worked

 

[renesauz]

Aren't the unsullied wearing armor too? This show has made a pretty big deal about the advantage of armor and these harpy guys are running around in street clothes beating up on trained armored soldiers like they're nothing. And on top of that the Harpies are wearing these big thick masks that have to be tough to see out of.

Let me just make sure we've got the order of things straight. Jorrah gets his butt kicked by two different random fighting pits guys and gets lucky that one of the other ones bails him out. Then that same Jorrah easily takes down like 30 harpies in 1v10 fights. Those same harpies that got their butts kicked by a guy who just got his butt kicked by some random gladiators meanwhile take down Dany's elite fighting force without issue.

Maybe Dany needs to hire these fighting pit schmucks as her elite army force instead of the unsullied.

The reason the Unsullied are getting carved up has been repeated here several times. It's part of Dany's mismanagement of the entire situation that she's relying on these field infantry as her personal guard.

Just because someone repeats something silly several times doesn't mean everyone needs to believe it.

Roman warriors also fought as a group in a Phalanx/Maniple. That doesn't mean that they walked around town getting their butts kicked by every unarmored schmuck wearing a blindfold that they came across.

I don't think we have any reason to believe Greek and Roman hoplites were any more effective when ambushed in small numbers and in close quarters than the Unsullied have been. If there was a reference to them being trained as awesome one versus one fighters in the show I'll retract my statement, but I thought they were introduced as soldiers trained to fight in unit and in formation, which is certainly consistent with how they arm themselves in the show (long spears).

Fine, you win. These guys were trained every day from birth to do nothing else but fight yet that regiment didn't include a day or two here and there to make sure they could take down an unarmored, visually impaired, dagger wielding militia member in single combat.

agreed - we heard back in Astapor how these guys were fearless killing machines that have been through insane combat training their whole lives, training which is so tough that most of them die from it. Yet pretty much every encounter with the SOH these guys are getting cut down one-on-one right and left, and most of the time without even taking an opponent out with them.

I can buy that they're better in formation than one-on-one, and I can even see where the Harpies would be able to take some of them out via ambush in tight spaces with greater numbers (but not without some massive losses on their side too). But most of what we're seeing from the Unsullied this season looks like a bunch of amateurs who just picked up a spear last week. The only guy that's actually held his own in a fight is Grey Worm - based on their rep the rest of the Unsullied should've been doing damage at least somewhere close to that level anytime they get attacked instead of dying off en masse against much less well-trained opponents.

Didn't see this latest episode until last night, but couldn't help but wonder what all the whining re. the Harpies and Unsullied was about. Most of the Unsullied it showed getting killed were surrounded, hopelessly outnumbered and typically killed from behind as they took out someone in front of them. Given space and the ability to work together on the pit floor, they were more than holding their own, although in a very obviously losing situation beofre the dragon showed up.

 

[renesauz]

It seems obvious that leeches is fine to kill individual people but we're talking about winning a battle here. Someone has to burn. I think other burnings were punishment ,since no king's blood was involved, garden variety human sacrifice. Just letting the Lord of light know your still on board.

I think that bran is going to warg into someone, besides Hodor when he finally becomes the old man down the road. The key being vicinity to those fancy tree.

I forget in the show, was Mance Rayder considered "king's blood?" Do you just have to declare yourself a king to qualify?

Don't recall if they gave any indication. Though Robert went from not being King to his whole family having royal blood. Maybe it takes others recognizing you as a king?

Keep in mind it's called the SEVEN kingdoms for a reason....it used to be 7 distinct kingdoms and several of the more powerful families used to be kings (including the Starks)

 

[Thunderlips]

So lets say something happens to Tommen, is the Throne wide open to whoever can take it? I could see the Martells making a play for it. They seem to have a strong house and are/where tied in with the Targaryens. Robert became king because he took it I could see them being strong enough to take it.

If Tommen were to get got....I believe it would rightfully fall to Stannis....although Dornish law would indicate that it go to Mycella.

 

[Thunderlips]

It seems obvious that leeches is fine to kill individual people but we're talking about winning a battle here. Someone has to burn. I think other burnings were punishment ,since no king's blood was involved, garden variety human sacrifice. Just letting the Lord of light know your still on board.

I think that bran is going to warg into someone, besides Hodor when he finally becomes the old man down the road. The key being vicinity to those fancy tree.

I forget in the show, was Mance Rayder considered "king's blood?" Do you just have to declare yourself a king to qualify?

He was known as The King Beyond the Wall.

 

[dhockster]

Back on Gendry,

Is he not the rightful heir to the throne? I recall in one of the early seasons a discussion indicating Cersei got rid of a child that she birthed and that this was something of a secret. I presume Robert was the father. so he's a legitimate son of the king and queen. I can't recall why she gave up the baby (and I could be misremembering) but perhaps it had something to do with the fact that Jamie was not the father. Anyway, I think this "missing" child is Gendry.

Where the hell did he go anyway?

When this season ends, I think I'll watch it over from the beginning. So much foreshadowing without even knowing it until seasons later.

You people come up with some half-assed ideas.

Cersei made sure she aborted all of Robert's legitimate children.

Gendry is Robert's *******. Bastards don't have legitimate claims to titles but in a country at civil war an illegitimate claim can still be powerful.

Maybe?

Season One, Episode Two:

Catelyn is by Bran's bedside after his fall.

Cersei Lannister: Please.

Catelyn Stark: I would have dressed, your Grace.
Cersei Lannister: This is your home. I'm your guest.
[Catelyn sits. Cersei approaches Bran's bed]
Cersei Lannister: Handsome one, isn't he? I lost my first boy.
[surprised, Catelyn stares at Cersei]
Cersei Lannister: A little black-haired beauty. He was a fighter too... tried to beat the fever that took him. Forgive me. It's the last thing you need to hear right now.
Catelyn Stark: [shakes her head] I never knew.
Cersei Lannister: It was years ago. Robert was crazed, beat his hands bloody on the wall, all the things men do to show you how much they care. The boy looked just like him. Such a little thing... a bird without feathers. They came to take his body away and Robert held me. I screamed and I battled, but he held me.
[Cersei's eyes are filled with tears]
Cersei Lannister: That little bundle. They took him away and I never saw him again. Never have visited the crypt, never.
[long moment of silence]
Cersei Lannister: I pray to the mother every morning and night that she return your child to you.
Catelyn Stark: [nods] I am grateful.
Cersei Lannister: Perhaps this time she'll listen.

The following scene is of a blacksmith. I think Gentry was a blacksmith's apprentice.

So Gendry could actually be Robert and Cersei's legitimate heir if he was the baby that supposedly died?

If that is true, I am sure Varys had some hand in keeping him alive.

 

[Chadstroma]

Did any of you people watch the preview for next week? Stannis is going to Winterfell.

OMG! Previews don't exist in here!!!11!

This is a very nihilistic thread.

 

[Chadstroma]

Back on Gendry,

Is he not the rightful heir to the throne? I recall in one of the early seasons a discussion indicating Cersei got rid of a child that she birthed and that this was something of a secret. I presume Robert was the father. so he's a legitimate son of the king and queen. I can't recall why she gave up the baby (and I could be misremembering) but perhaps it had something to do with the fact that Jamie was not the father. Anyway, I think this "missing" child is Gendry.

Where the hell did he go anyway?

When this season ends, I think I'll watch it over from the beginning. So much foreshadowing without even knowing it until seasons later.

You people come up with some half-assed ideas.

Cersei made sure she aborted all of Robert's legitimate children.

Gendry is Robert's *******. Bastards don't have legitimate claims to titles but in a country at civil war an illegitimate claim can still be powerful.

Maybe?

Season One, Episode Two:

Catelyn is by Bran's bedside after his fall.

Cersei Lannister: Please.

Catelyn Stark: I would have dressed, your Grace.
Cersei Lannister: This is your home. I'm your guest.
[Catelyn sits. Cersei approaches Bran's bed]
Cersei Lannister: Handsome one, isn't he? I lost my first boy.
[surprised, Catelyn stares at Cersei]
Cersei Lannister: A little black-haired beauty. He was a fighter too... tried to beat the fever that took him. Forgive me. It's the last thing you need to hear right now.
Catelyn Stark: [shakes her head] I never knew.
Cersei Lannister: It was years ago. Robert was crazed, beat his hands bloody on the wall, all the things men do to show you how much they care. The boy looked just like him. Such a little thing... a bird without feathers. They came to take his body away and Robert held me. I screamed and I battled, but he held me.
[Cersei's eyes are filled with tears]
Cersei Lannister: That little bundle. They took him away and I never saw him again. Never have visited the crypt, never.
[long moment of silence]
Cersei Lannister: I pray to the mother every morning and night that she return your child to you.
Catelyn Stark: [nods] I am grateful.
Cersei Lannister: Perhaps this time she'll listen.

The following scene is of a blacksmith. I think Gentry was a blacksmith's apprentice.

So Gendry could actually be Robert and Cersei's legitimate heir if he was the baby that supposedly died?

If that is true, I am sure Varys had some hand in keeping him alive.

Why at that point in time would anyone take Robert's first born son and heir to the throne and tell them he died then hand him over to a blacksmith? He was in no danger to hide him. And if you were making some sort of power play, why give him to a Smith? Why not keep him or kill depending on what you had planned. Not seeing the motive in this.

 

[kentric]

Here is the thing... if Cersei is found guilty or pleads guilty of incest them Tommen is done and over. He would have no legitamcy to the throne as a ******* child of no royal lineage. This is much bigger than just what happens to Cersei. If her guilt becomes a known fact or at least acknowledged, then it means the only power left to keep Tommen in place is the House of Lannister which we have learned is waning in wealth and thus power as well. House Tyrell will surely bolt since Cersei basically turned on them and the only other thing keeping them on board was Margery as Queen.

Is the incest accusation about her having sex with Jamie or Lancel?

Ooops, yea, she could plead guilty to Lancel and no reason to say one way or the other with Jamie. Disregard the entire previous post. Thank you for your cooperation.

so what's the order of crimes:

- incest (cercei)

- buggery (marge's brother)

- lying under oath (marge)

that's how I see them.

So being gay is worse than committing perjury?

Marge's brother also committed perjury. So he is a bugger perjur.

 

[kentric]

Back on Gendry,

Is he not the rightful heir to the throne? I recall in one of the early seasons a discussion indicating Cersei got rid of a child that she birthed and that this was something of a secret. I presume Robert was the father. so he's a legitimate son of the king and queen. I can't recall why she gave up the baby (and I could be misremembering) but perhaps it had something to do with the fact that Jamie was not the father. Anyway, I think this "missing" child is Gendry.

Where the hell did he go anyway?

When this season ends, I think I'll watch it over from the beginning. So much foreshadowing without even knowing it until seasons later.

You people come up with some half-assed ideas.

Cersei made sure she aborted all of Robert's legitimate children.

Gendry is Robert's *******. Bastards don't have legitimate claims to titles but in a country at civil war an illegitimate claim can still be powerful.

Maybe?

Season One, Episode Two:

Catelyn is by Bran's bedside after his fall.

Cersei Lannister: Please.

Catelyn Stark: I would have dressed, your Grace.
Cersei Lannister: This is your home. I'm your guest.
[Catelyn sits. Cersei approaches Bran's bed]
Cersei Lannister: Handsome one, isn't he? I lost my first boy.
[surprised, Catelyn stares at Cersei]
Cersei Lannister: A little black-haired beauty. He was a fighter too... tried to beat the fever that took him. Forgive me. It's the last thing you need to hear right now.
Catelyn Stark: [shakes her head] I never knew.
Cersei Lannister: It was years ago. Robert was crazed, beat his hands bloody on the wall, all the things men do to show you how much they care. The boy looked just like him. Such a little thing... a bird without feathers. They came to take his body away and Robert held me. I screamed and I battled, but he held me.
[Cersei's eyes are filled with tears]
Cersei Lannister: That little bundle. They took him away and I never saw him again. Never have visited the crypt, never.
[long moment of silence]
Cersei Lannister: I pray to the mother every morning and night that she return your child to you.
Catelyn Stark: [nods] I am grateful.
Cersei Lannister: Perhaps this time she'll listen.

The following scene is of a blacksmith. I think Gentry was a blacksmith's apprentice.

So Gendry could actually be Robert and Cersei's legitimate heir if he was the baby that supposedly died?

If that is true, I am sure Varys had some hand in keeping him alive.

Why at that point in time would anyone take Robert's first born son and heir to the throne and tell them he died then hand him over to a blacksmith? He was in no danger to hide him. And if you were making some sort of power play, why give him to a Smith? Why not keep him or kill depending on what you had planned. Not seeing the motive in this.

I think that he was just one of a long line of bastards that Robert sired. An argument could be made that he is next in line. What I don't get is how you would go about proving it. I also am curious as to what was in that book of heraldry/blood lines that Stark found that would definitively prove that Cersei's children were not sired by Robert.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Back on Gendry,

Is he not the rightful heir to the throne? I recall in one of the early seasons a discussion indicating Cersei got rid of a child that she birthed and that this was something of a secret. I presume Robert was the father. so he's a legitimate son of the king and queen. I can't recall why she gave up the baby (and I could be misremembering) but perhaps it had something to do with the fact that Jamie was not the father. Anyway, I think this "missing" child is Gendry.

Where the hell did he go anyway?

When this season ends, I think I'll watch it over from the beginning. So much foreshadowing without even knowing it until seasons later.

You people come up with some half-assed ideas.

Cersei made sure she aborted all of Robert's legitimate children.

Gendry is Robert's *******. Bastards don't have legitimate claims to titles but in a country at civil war an illegitimate claim can still be powerful.

Maybe?

Season One, Episode Two:

Catelyn is by Bran's bedside after his fall.

Cersei Lannister: Please.

Catelyn Stark: I would have dressed, your Grace.

Cersei Lannister: This is your home. I'm your guest.

[Catelyn sits. Cersei approaches Bran's bed]

Cersei Lannister: Handsome one, isn't he? I lost my first boy.

[surprised, Catelyn stares at Cersei]

Cersei Lannister: A little black-haired beauty. He was a fighter too... tried to beat the fever that took him. Forgive me. It's the last thing you need to hear right now.

Catelyn Stark: [shakes her head] I never knew.

Cersei Lannister: It was years ago. Robert was crazed, beat his hands bloody on the wall, all the things men do to show you how much they care. The boy looked just like him. Such a little thing... a bird without feathers. They came to take his body away and Robert held me. I screamed and I battled, but he held me.

[Cersei's eyes are filled with tears]

Cersei Lannister: That little bundle. They took him away and I never saw him again. Never have visited the crypt, never.

[long moment of silence]

Cersei Lannister: I pray to the mother every morning and night that she return your child to you.

Catelyn Stark: [nods] I am grateful.

Cersei Lannister: Perhaps this time she'll listen.



The following scene is of a blacksmith. I think Gentry was a blacksmith's apprentice.

So Gendry could actually be Robert and Cersei's legitimate heir if he was the baby that supposedly died?

If that is true, I am sure Varys had some hand in keeping him alive.

Why at that point in time would anyone take Robert's first born son and heir to the throne and tell them he died then hand him over to a blacksmith? He was in no danger to hide him. And if you were making some sort of power play, why give him to a Smith? Why not keep him or kill depending on what you had planned. Not seeing the motive in this.

I think that he was just one of a long line of bastards that Robert sired. An argument could be made that he is next in line. What I don't get is how you would go about proving it. I also am curious as to what was in that book of heraldry/blood lines that Stark found that would definitively prove that Cersei's children were not sired by Robert.

Hair color.

 

[kentric]

Back on Gendry,

Is he not the rightful heir to the throne? I recall in one of the early seasons a discussion indicating Cersei got rid of a child that she birthed and that this was something of a secret. I presume Robert was the father. so he's a legitimate son of the king and queen. I can't recall why she gave up the baby (and I could be misremembering) but perhaps it had something to do with the fact that Jamie was not the father. Anyway, I think this "missing" child is Gendry.

Where the hell did he go anyway?

When this season ends, I think I'll watch it over from the beginning. So much foreshadowing without even knowing it until seasons later.

You people come up with some half-assed ideas.

Cersei made sure she aborted all of Robert's legitimate children.

Gendry is Robert's *******. Bastards don't have legitimate claims to titles but in a country at civil war an illegitimate claim can still be powerful.

Maybe?

Season One, Episode Two:

Catelyn is by Bran's bedside after his fall.

Cersei Lannister: Please.

Catelyn Stark: I would have dressed, your Grace.

Cersei Lannister: This is your home. I'm your guest.

[Catelyn sits. Cersei approaches Bran's bed]

Cersei Lannister: Handsome one, isn't he? I lost my first boy.

[surprised, Catelyn stares at Cersei]

Cersei Lannister: A little black-haired beauty. He was a fighter too... tried to beat the fever that took him. Forgive me. It's the last thing you need to hear right now.

Catelyn Stark: [shakes her head] I never knew.

Cersei Lannister: It was years ago. Robert was crazed, beat his hands bloody on the wall, all the things men do to show you how much they care. The boy looked just like him. Such a little thing... a bird without feathers. They came to take his body away and Robert held me. I screamed and I battled, but he held me.

[Cersei's eyes are filled with tears]

Cersei Lannister: That little bundle. They took him away and I never saw him again. Never have visited the crypt, never.

[long moment of silence]

Cersei Lannister: I pray to the mother every morning and night that she return your child to you.

Catelyn Stark: [nods] I am grateful.

Cersei Lannister: Perhaps this time she'll listen.



The following scene is of a blacksmith. I think Gentry was a blacksmith's apprentice.

So Gendry could actually be Robert and Cersei's legitimate heir if he was the baby that supposedly died?

If that is true, I am sure Varys had some hand in keeping him alive.

Why at that point in time would anyone take Robert's first born son and heir to the throne and tell them he died then hand him over to a blacksmith? He was in no danger to hide him. And if you were making some sort of power play, why give him to a Smith? Why not keep him or kill depending on what you had planned. Not seeing the motive in this.

I think that he was just one of a long line of bastards that Robert sired. An argument could be made that he is next in line. What I don't get is how you would go about proving it. I also am curious as to what was in that book of heraldry/blood lines that Stark found that would definitively prove that Cersei's children were not sired by Robert.

Hair color.

Its got to be more than that. Recessive genes and all.

 

[culdeus]

Preview doesn't really give much away other than there are several scenes from the north and cersi and then nothing else??? The cuts were super quick.

Looks like cersi fesses up to something, but not clear what, and we don't really have a clue as to what the punishments for these actions are.

Outside chance Brienne comes in and tries to save the day here.

 

[kentric]

Preview doesn't really give much away other than there are several scenes from the north and cersi and then nothing else??? The cuts were super quick.

Looks like cersi fesses up to something, but not clear what, and we don't really have a clue as to what the punishments for these actions are.

Outside chance Brienne comes in and tries to save the day here.

Brienne tries to save the day for Cersei? She has no love for Cersei and it would take her away from the Winterfell area where she wouldn't be able to help Sansa.

 

[culdeus]

Preview doesn't really give much away other than there are several scenes from the north and cersi and then nothing else??? The cuts were super quick.

Looks like cersi fesses up to something, but not clear what, and we don't really have a clue as to what the punishments for these actions are.

Outside chance Brienne comes in and tries to save the day here.

Brienne tries to save the day for Cersei? She has no love for Cersei and it would take her away from the Winterfell area where she wouldn't be able to help Sansa.

Sorry, i was mainly just running down the order of scenes in the preview. The brienne cut is at winterfell and just happens to fall after the cersi cut.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Very likely that the lord of Light delivers Winterfell to Stannis - somehow. It could be that Brienne plays a role, but I think it more likely that Sansa sends her out looking for Bran and Rickon

Cersei's story arc has been foreshadowed by the show.

Arya has choices to make

i believe that Ollie and Jon Snow have a conflict to resolve - too much emphasis on that arc to go unfinished imo.

Some wrap up in Merreen.

 

[dhockster]

Very likely that the lord of Light delivers Winterfell to Stannis - somehow. It could be that Brienne plays a role, but I think it more likely that Sansa sends her out looking for Bran and Rickon

Cersei's story arc has been foreshadowed by the show.

Arya has choices to make

i believe that Ollie and Jon Snow have a conflict to resolve - too much emphasis on that arc to go unfinished imo.

Some wrap up in Merreen.

MORE FLAMING HARPIES!!

 

[The Ref]

So lets say something happens to Tommen, is the Throne wide open to whoever can take it? I could see the Martells making a play for it. They seem to have a strong house and are/where tied in with the Targaryens. Robert became king because he took it I could see them being strong enough to take it.

If Tommen were to get got....I believe it would rightfully fall to Stannis....although Dornish law would indicate that it go to Mycella.

Ahhhhh.... Now that would make some sense. If Tommen was killed (or killed himself) it makes the trip and time in Dorne better spent. Oberyn/Lanister team up to try and take the crown and city back from the sparrow.

 

[Super King]

So lets say something happens to Tommen, is the Throne wide open to whoever can take it? I could see the Martells making a play for it. They seem to have a strong house and are/where tied in with the Targaryens. Robert became king because he took it I could see them being strong enough to take it.

If Tommen were to get got....I believe it would rightfully fall to Stannis....although Dornish law would indicate that it go to Mycella.

Ahhhhh.... Now that would make some sense. If Tommen was killed (or killed himself) it makes the trip and time in Dorne better spent. Oberyn/Lanister team up to try and take the crown and city back from the sparrow.

Last I saw, he had a severe case of crushed head.

 

[Drifter]

Back on Gendry,

Is he not the rightful heir to the throne? I recall in one of the early seasons a discussion indicating Cersei got rid of a child that she birthed and that this was something of a secret. I presume Robert was the father. so he's a legitimate son of the king and queen. I can't recall why she gave up the baby (and I could be misremembering) but perhaps it had something to do with the fact that Jamie was not the father. Anyway, I think this "missing" child is Gendry.

Where the hell did he go anyway?

When this season ends, I think I'll watch it over from the beginning. So much foreshadowing without even knowing it until seasons later.

You people come up with some half-assed ideas.

Cersei made sure she aborted all of Robert's legitimate children.

Gendry is Robert's *******. Bastards don't have legitimate claims to titles but in a country at civil war an illegitimate claim can still be powerful.

Maybe?

Season One, Episode Two:

Catelyn is by Bran's bedside after his fall.

Cersei Lannister: Please.

Catelyn Stark: I would have dressed, your Grace.
Cersei Lannister: This is your home. I'm your guest.
[Catelyn sits. Cersei approaches Bran's bed]
Cersei Lannister: Handsome one, isn't he? I lost my first boy.
[surprised, Catelyn stares at Cersei]
Cersei Lannister: A little black-haired beauty. He was a fighter too... tried to beat the fever that took him. Forgive me. It's the last thing you need to hear right now.
Catelyn Stark: [shakes her head] I never knew.
Cersei Lannister: It was years ago. Robert was crazed, beat his hands bloody on the wall, all the things men do to show you how much they care. The boy looked just like him. Such a little thing... a bird without feathers. They came to take his body away and Robert held me. I screamed and I battled, but he held me.
[Cersei's eyes are filled with tears]
Cersei Lannister: That little bundle. They took him away and I never saw him again. Never have visited the crypt, never.
[long moment of silence]
Cersei Lannister: I pray to the mother every morning and night that she return your child to you.
Catelyn Stark: [nods] I am grateful.
Cersei Lannister: Perhaps this time she'll listen.

The following scene is of a blacksmith. I think Gentry was a blacksmith's apprentice.

So Gendry could actually be Robert and Cersei's legitimate heir if he was the baby that supposedly died?

If that is true, I am sure Varys had some hand in keeping him alive.

Why at that point in time would anyone take Robert's first born son and heir to the throne and tell them he died then hand him over to a blacksmith? He was in no danger to hide him. And if you were making some sort of power play, why give him to a Smith? Why not keep him or kill depending on what you had planned. Not seeing the motive in this.

Gendry is firmly established as the son of a whore, I think. If the baby mentioned in this scene is alive, more likely it is Jon Snow.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

http://m.imgur.com/SF4N5mx

 

[Limp Ditka]

 

[the moops]

Here is my guess.

After talking with Jorah and Tyrion, Dany hops on her dragon and does a fly over at Kings Landing to give all those ####ers a glimpse of the future hell she is going to bring down upon them.

Stannis dies in battle at Winterfell. Bolton's prevail, but Snow leads a wildling army and takes them down.

Arya doesnt get a chance to kill that one dude, but does kill the other dude. Not sure which dude is which dude though.

 

[GregR]

On Jon Snow's parentage, I agree it's more likely to be Rhaegar than Robert, if Lyanna Stark is Jon's mother.

Lyanna gets kidnapped and raped by Rhaegar. Ned's father and brother go to get her back and the Mad King kills them. Then Robert rebels and we know that lasted a year. Lyanna dies near the end of the rebellion. While it's possible for Jon to be Robert's kid, the timing would make it rough. Would those holding Lyanna for Rhaegar keep alive a child they thought to be Robert's?

And if the baby was Robert's, Ned would do the right thing and give him to Robert, even if the marriage to Cersei happened already (and it might not have yet far as I know). Ned always does the right thing even when it's inconvenient, and deals with the consequences. Can't see him withholding his best friend's son from him even if there was risk to the baby from the Lannisters.

But if it's Rhaegar that is the father, the people holding her would keep the baby alive, giving Ned a chance to eventually get him. Ned would have reason to believe Robert might slaughter the baby, the result of the rape of Ned's sister by Rhaegar Targaryen. So Ned does the right thing, claims the baby as his ******* to save him, even though it is inconvenient and causes him problems with Catelyn.

That would be such a Ned Stark thing to do, to take the burden on himself. Whereas Jon being Ned's son because Ned cheated on his wife seems a very un-Ned Stark thing to do.

 

[Spin]

Here is my guess.

After talking with Jorah and Tyrion, Dany hops on her dragon and does a fly over at Kings Landing to give all those ####ers a glimpse of the future hell she is going to bring down upon them.

Stannis dies in battle at Winterfell. Bolton's prevail, but Snow leads a wildling army and takes them down.

Arya doesnt get a chance to kill that one dude, but does kill the other dude. Not sure which dude is which dude though.

Why would Jon leave now when he didn't leave to help Robb out?

 

[Chadstroma]

On Jon Snow's parentage, I agree it's more likely to be Rhaegar than Robert, if Lyanna Stark is Jon's mother.

Lyanna gets kidnapped and raped by Rhaegar. Ned's father and brother go to get her back and the Mad King kills them. Then Robert rebels and we know that lasted a year. Lyanna dies near the end of the rebellion. While it's possible for Jon to be Robert's kid, the timing would make it rough. Would those holding Lyanna for Rhaegar keep alive a child they thought to be Robert's?

And if the baby was Robert's, Ned would do the right thing and give him to Robert, even if the marriage to Cersei happened already (and it might not have yet far as I know). Ned always does the right thing even when it's inconvenient, and deals with the consequences. Can't see him withholding his best friend's son from him even if there was risk to the baby from the Lannisters.

But if it's Rhaegar that is the father, the people holding her would keep the baby alive, giving Ned a chance to eventually get him. Ned would have reason to believe Robert might slaughter the baby, the result of the rape of Ned's sister by Rhaegar Targaryen. So Ned does the right thing, claims the baby as his ******* to save him, even though it is inconvenient and causes him problems with Catelyn.

That would be such a Ned Stark thing to do, to take the burden on himself. Whereas Jon being Ned's son because Ned cheated on his wife seems a very un-Ned Stark thing to do.

You had to go an use the "r" word.

 

[Gr00vus]

On Jon Snow's parentage, I agree it's more likely to be Rhaegar than Robert, if Lyanna Stark is Jon's mother.

Lyanna gets kidnapped and raped by Rhaegar. Ned's father and brother go to get her back and the Mad King kills them. Then Robert rebels and we know that lasted a year. Lyanna dies near the end of the rebellion. While it's possible for Jon to be Robert's kid, the timing would make it rough. Would those holding Lyanna for Rhaegar keep alive a child they thought to be Robert's?

And if the baby was Robert's, Ned would do the right thing and give him to Robert, even if the marriage to Cersei happened already (and it might not have yet far as I know). Ned always does the right thing even when it's inconvenient, and deals with the consequences. Can't see him withholding his best friend's son from him even if there was risk to the baby from the Lannisters.

But if it's Rhaegar that is the father, the people holding her would keep the baby alive, giving Ned a chance to eventually get him. Ned would have reason to believe Robert might slaughter the baby, the result of the rape of Ned's sister by Rhaegar Targaryen. So Ned does the right thing, claims the baby as his ******* to save him, even though it is inconvenient and causes him problems with Catelyn.

That would be such a Ned Stark thing to do, to take the burden on himself. Whereas Jon being Ned's son because Ned cheated on his wife seems a very un-Ned Stark thing to do.

You had to go an use the "r" word.

Which one?

 

[Drifter]

On Jon Snow's parentage, I agree it's more likely to be Rhaegar than Robert, if Lyanna Stark is Jon's mother.

This is soo wrong. There's been way too much focus on Robert's offspring having black manes of hair and Targaryen's having silver hair for this to be possible.

 

[Gr00vus]

On Jon Snow's parentage, I agree it's more likely to be Rhaegar than Robert, if Lyanna Stark is Jon's mother.

This is soo wrong. There's been way too much focus on Robert's offspring having black manes of hair and Targaryen's having silver hair for this to be possible.

Pretty sure Danaerys wears a wig.

 

[Spin]

On Jon Snow's parentage, I agree it's more likely to be Rhaegar than Robert, if Lyanna Stark is Jon's mother.

This is soo wrong. There's been way too much focus on Robert's offspring having black manes of hair and Targaryen's having silver hair for this to be possible.

Then why would Ned claim Jon as his own? For what reason? What threat was against Jon at that point from Robert?

 

[GregR]

On Jon Snow's parentage, I agree it's more likely to be Rhaegar than Robert, if Lyanna Stark is Jon's mother.

This is soo wrong. There's been way too much focus on Robert's offspring having black manes of hair and Targaryen's having silver hair for this to be possible.

The Targaryens do have their silver hair, but that came from mostly marrying brother and sister to each other that already had silver hair. Who can say if their genetics would win out over, say, the Stark family genes whose men seem to be dark of hair.

 

[the moops]

Here is my guess.

After talking with Jorah and Tyrion, Dany hops on her dragon and does a fly over at Kings Landing to give all those ####ers a glimpse of the future hell she is going to bring down upon them.

Stannis dies in battle at Winterfell. Bolton's prevail, but Snow leads a wildling army and takes them down.

Arya doesnt get a chance to kill that one dude, but does kill the other dude. Not sure which dude is which dude though.

Why would Jon leave now when he didn't leave to help Robb out?

 

[GregR]

On Jon Snow's parentage, I agree it's more likely to be Rhaegar than Robert, if Lyanna Stark is Jon's mother.

This is soo wrong. There's been way too much focus on Robert's offspring having black manes of hair and Targaryen's having silver hair for this to be possible.

The Targaryens do have their silver hair, but that came from mostly marrying brother and sister to each other that already had silver hair. Who can say if their genetics would win out over, say, the Stark family genes whose men seem to be dark of hair.

Just googled and found GRRM said in an interview that the son of Rhaeger Targaryen and Elia Martell looked like a Martell. Their daughter looked like a Targaryen.

So the precedent for dark hair to win out over Targaryen hair is there.

 

[Drifter]

On Jon Snow's parentage, I agree it's more likely to be Rhaegar than Robert, if Lyanna Stark is Jon's mother.

This is soo wrong. There's been way too much focus on Robert's offspring having black manes of hair and Targaryen's having silver hair for this to be possible.

Then why would Ned claim Jon as his own? For what reason? What threat was against Jon at that point from Robert?

That's kind of the missing piece. Some ideas:

1. He thought it was Raegar's.

2. Because it was illegitimate, he was trying to protect both Robert and his sister.

3. It was "rescued" from Cersei as illustrated earlier either because:

3a. It was Robert's and Cersei was trying to kill Robert's true born son as she later accomplished with abortions.

3b. It was Robert's and Ned's sister's and Cersei knew this and was trying to kill it. Same baby she mentioned in discussion with Car but not actually hers.

 

[Grahamburn]

The show is really making the Unsullied look a bunch of #####es. Hard to understand that. The Unsullied are the greatest warriors around and they can't seem to do anything right. Clown guys look unstoppable.

Yeah, I've noticed that a few times now. Being killed outnumbered or taken by surprise... sure. But you'd think someone trained as a warrior all of his life and armed with a spear and shield could at least take out a few untrained rabble first. Especially early on when they were just armed with knives.

I said this when Worm etc got the #### kicked out them. argument against was "they're in the city streets and they're not used to tight spaces". this time, I guess it's because they're not used to fighting in and around an arena.



and I'll say again- masked guys circle queen and her pals in the middle of the arena, and attack them one at a time like a bad kung-fu movie from the 70s. but with the dragon, they're spear-chuckers. they couldn't circle up around the queen and then just throw spears at them instead of getting in a big conga-line of certain hand-to-hand death?

I agree that that whole scene was shot fairly poorly. The show is so top notch that those scenes really stand out, however, as I just said, the show is so freaking good that I'm willing to ignore the very few bad scenes.

Easier to hit a giant dragon with a spear than it is to hit a small young lady and a dwarf who are being protected by men with shields.

 

[CBusAlex]

Easier to hit a giant dragon with a spear than it is to hit a small young lady and a dwarf who are being protected by men with shields.

Were those guys with shields protecting the queen? I didn't hear anyone tell them to do that.

 

[Mile High]

On Jon Snow's parentage, I agree it's more likely to be Rhaegar than Robert, if Lyanna Stark is Jon's mother.

This is soo wrong. There's been way too much focus on Robert's offspring having black manes of hair and Targaryen's having silver hair for this to be possible.

Then why would Ned claim Jon as his own? For what reason? What threat was against Jon at that point from Robert?

That's kind of the missing piece. Some ideas:

1. He thought it was Raegar's.

2. Because it was illegitimate, he was trying to protect both Robert and his sister.

3. It was "rescued" from Cersei as illustrated earlier either because:

3a. It was Robert's and Cersei was trying to kill Robert's true born son as she later accomplished with abortions.

3b. It was Robert's and Ned's sister's and Cersei knew this and was trying to kill it. Same baby she mentioned in discussion with Car but not actually hers.

Robert and Lyann were before Cersei entered the picture.

 

[Mile High]

Robert loved Lyanna,loved her. He went to war over her. If Jon Snow was their love child he would want to be a big part of his life

 

[El Floppo]

Robert loved Lyanna,loved her. He went to war over her. If Jon Snow was their love child he would want to be a big part of his life

there's a scene in the first season between Cercei and Ned where she describes how much she was in love with Robert.. until their wedding night when he staggered on top of her drunk, moaning Lyanna's name.

 

[Drifter]

Robert loved Lyanna,loved her. He went to war over her. If Jon Snow was their love child he would want to be a big part of his life

Unless he thought the baby died or never knew about it in the first place.

 

[Drifter]

Look, the whole head of hair thing has been way too focused on both in the storytelling and int he visuals for Jon to not be Robert's son.

 

[Mile High]

Robert loved Lyanna,loved her. He went to war over her. If Jon Snow was their love child he would want to be a big part of his life

Unless he thought the baby died or never knew about it in the first place.

Why would Ned hide that from him. Robert loved his sister. Ned was Robert's best friend. Robert would love Jon Snow like no other. Now if Jon Snow was Raegar's son from raping Lyanna and she was dead Robert would kill that baby himself and Ned knew that.

 

[Sabertooth]

I always figure Robert loved Lyanna, but Lyanna loved Rhaegar.

 

[Mile High]

I always figure Robert loved Lyanna, but Lyanna loved Rhaegar.

I think that as well. Even more reason for Ned to hide their baby from Robert. Ned also loved his sister and would do anything to protect her only child.