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Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (15 Viewers)

Zow said:
Yeah that episode didn't answer much. Do we even know with certainty that stannis is dead?
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That episode touched on pretty much everything from the last episode. If you want it answered in full, just wait til the finale and you're good. Everything will be answered. Why watch the whole show when you can just get the Cliff's Notes at the end?

And why in the name of the old gods and the new has anyone questioned whether Stannis is still alive?  And if you did have any doubt, it was answered tonight. 

And if you missed it, watch better. 

 
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Thunderlips said:
I don't know if it's to eventually sit on the Iron Throne, but he already has Harrenhal (the Traditional seat of the Riverlands), he's Lord Protector of the Vale (via his marriage to Lysa) and by eliminating the Boltons, would open up the North....something he could become Warden of by marrying Sansa.  
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Don't imagine Sansa would be too keen on marrying Baelish after he married her off to Ramsay.

 
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mr roboto said:
Wife was saying - she's had by far the ####tiest character path. Joffrey, the last guy, dad, brother, mom die. And she's mostly just kind of along for the ride. 
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Well, at least she is somewhere different than in season 1 - unlike Dany. 

 
Someone want to help me understand the timeline RE: WTF is going on between Lanisters and Dorne?

Bron, Jamie the prince and princess were on the boat back to Kings Landing, the Snakes and King stayed behind.   Princess gets kissed and chokes/dies on the boat 1-2 hours max into a X day boat ride back to KL (and they never turn back).  They get to Kings landing and deliver dead princess.  They send back the Prince all the way back to Dorne (presumably weeks/months later).   During this time the snakes kill the King and the head body guard.  Prince returns.   Prince gets on another boat....... (I guess) and now gets killed by two of the snakes.

there is a big hole here yes?

 
The Ref said:
Someone want to help me understand the timeline RE: WTF is going on between Lanisters and Dorne?

Bron, Jamie the prince and princess were on the boat back to Kings Landing, the Snakes and King stayed behind.   Princess gets kissed and chokes/dies on the boat 1-2 hours max into a X day boat ride back to KL (and they never turn back).  They get to Kings landing and deliver dead princess.  They send back the Prince all the way back to Dorne (presumably weeks/months later).   During this time the snakes kill the King and the head body guard.  Prince returns.   Prince gets on another boat....... (I guess) and now gets killed by two of the snakes.

there is a big hole here yes?
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The Price stayed in Dorne.

 
I thought the Prince was on the same boat as Jamie & Myrcella and that the Sand Snakes snuck on the boat and were essentially in Kings Landing at that point. I guess I missed he stayed in Dorne.

 
I was a little underwhelmed to be honest. It was a good episode but I was expecting more from a season premiere. The last shot, though - WHOA

Still think Snow is brought back. Nobody seems in any hurry to dispose of his body. Plus the Red Woman saying she saw him fighting at Winterfell in the flames strikes me as something that will end up happening. 

I'm not the only one who wants Ghost to rip Ollie to shreds am I?

So Sansa, Theon/Reek, Brienne, the wildlings and the Bolton's (at least Ramsay) are headed to the Knights Watch. Should be plenty of fun to be had there.

Crazy as this sounds I'm looking forward to seeing Bran next week.  

No matter how much Tyrion is in an episode it never feels like enough. Dinklage is the man. 

The one Dothraki saying how he liked to talk after anal sex so he doesn't feel like a dog was great.  :lmao:

 
from wiki

Jaime, Myrcella, Bronn, and Trystane leave for King's Landing. On the ship, Myrcella reveals that she knows Jaime is her real father and that she is glad that he is her father. However, Myrcella suddenly starts bleeding from the nose and collapses, and it is revealed that Ellaria had secretly poisoned Myrcella by kissing her with poisoned lipstick.

 
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Was anybody else hoping that the Khal was actually going to rip Daenery's dress off?  I know it's kind of rapey, but still.  And has Daenery's gained some weight?  Her arms looked a bit flabby.

And, while old Melisandre's body was a nightmare, her boobs seemed to hold up the best.

And man, that power she has to change herself into an old hag in awesome, why hasn't she shown us this new ability before?

 
James Daulton said:
And man, that power she has to change herself into an old hag in awesome, why hasn't she shown us this new ability before?
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She doesn't have the power to turn herself into an old hag.  She is an old hag.  The stone in her necklace has the power to make her young.

 
the moops said:
Ref nails it, IMO. Plot hole
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In the end we are talking about a show with dragons and fire magic so I think we can cut some slack here and there.   I'm just confused as to what is going on.  My read is they didn't plan to kill the Prince (not King, my bad) of Dorne off right away this season and something changed after last seasons finale so they just jammed it in as clean as posible to get the story line where they needed it.

 
The Ref said:
Someone want to help me understand the timeline RE: WTF is going on between Lanisters and Dorne?

Bron, Jamie the prince and princess were on the boat back to Kings Landing, the Snakes and King stayed behind.   Princess gets kissed and chokes/dies on the boat 1-2 hours max into a X day boat ride back to KL (and they never turn back).  They get to Kings landing and deliver dead princess.  They send back the Prince all the way back to Dorne (presumably weeks/months later).   During this time the snakes kill the King and the head body guard.  Prince returns.   Prince gets on another boat....... (I guess) and now gets killed by two of the snakes.

there is a big hole here yes?
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They show the boat carrying Myrcella approaching Kings Harbor at full sail.

From shore they show Cersei at Kings Landing looking out where said boat is now pulling its sail in in the distance while the smaller boat brings dead Myrcella ashore.

Then later they show the exact same shot looking out at the same ship with sail tied up to show it isn't underway.  And immediately cut to the interior of a ship cabin to show the Prince's death.

So no, they made it very clear the Prince was killed on the boat sitting at anchor off King's Landing.

 
Greg Russell said:
They show the boat carrying Myrcella approaching Kings Harbor at full sail.

From shore they show Cersei at Kings Landing looking out where said boat is now pulling its sail in in the distance while the smaller boat brings dead Myrcella ashore.

Then later they show the exact same shot looking out at the same ship with sail tied up to show it isn't underway.  And immediately cut to the interior of a ship cabin to show the Prince's death.

So no, they made it very clear the Prince was killed on the boat sitting at anchor off King's Landing.
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Plot hole bigger than I thought, then.

Because they showed the Sand Snakes watching that boat leave from the dock last season, and they were in Dorne this episode as well.  

 
James Daulton said:
Was anybody else hoping that the Khal was actually going to rip Daenery's dress off?  I know it's kind of rapey, but still.  And has Daenery's gained some weight?  Her arms looked a bit flabby.

And, while old Melisandre's body was a nightmare, her boobs seemed to hold up the best.

And man, that power she has to change herself into an old hag in awesome, why hasn't she shown us this new ability before?
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She is an old hag - has the power to change herself into the younger-looking version.

 
Sinn Fein said:
She is an old hag - has the power to change herself into the younger-looking version.
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My reaction was that she had given up.  She had just sacrificed the King's daughter to satisfy the Gods.  The next morning she seemed very pleased that it had worked (the snow was melting).  Then when they were completely outnumbered and half the army deserted, she fled to Castle Black.  She appeared defeated, especially when Davos was asking about Shireen.  For the first time we see her take off the necklace and climb into bed. I wonder if she ever wakes up.

Just my initial reaction.

 
Amused to Death said:
My reaction was that she had given up.  She had just sacrificed the King's daughter to satisfy the Gods.  The next morning she seemed very pleased that it had worked (the snow was melting).  Then when they were completely outnumbered and half the army deserted, she fled to Castle Black.  She appeared defeated, especially when Davos was asking about Shireen.  For the first time we see her take off the necklace and climb into bed. I wonder if she ever wakes up.

Just my initial reaction.
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Maybe...Show runners said in the interview after the show that this was just an opportunity to demonstrate that she is really a couple of hundred years old - maybe it was the last opportunity - but I get the sense it was done for the sensationalism aspect rather than any real plot device.

 
I think in that moment she has given up. Seeing Snow (apparently) dead may have been the final straw. That was another of her visions that (apparently) wouldn't be coming to fruition. I think removing the necklace and revealing her true self was her way of giving up in that moment. I doubt she stays that way for much longer. Somebody's gotta bring Jon back.   

 
The Ref said:
Someone want to help me understand the timeline RE: WTF is going on between Lanisters and Dorne?

Bron, Jamie the prince and princess were on the boat back to Kings Landing, the Snakes and King stayed behind.   Princess gets kissed and chokes/dies on the boat 1-2 hours max into a X day boat ride back to KL (and they never turn back).  They get to Kings landing and deliver dead princess.  They send back the Prince all the way back to Dorne (presumably weeks/months later).   During this time the snakes kill the King and the head body guard.  Prince returns.   Prince gets on another boat....... (I guess) and now gets killed by two of the snakes.

there is a big hole here yes?
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The time line isn't the same for all the characters.  There have been a few times where something happened in a day in one episode and other stuff was happening that took weeks.  When they intersect they are pretty consistent but the Lanisters/Dorne stuff could easily be happening weeks or months apart from the stuff at the wall or with khaleesi without impacting any major plot points.  

 
packersfan said:
I think in that moment she has given up. Seeing Snow (apparently) dead may have been the final straw. That was another of her visions that (apparently) wouldn't be coming to fruition. I think removing the necklace and revealing her true self was her way of giving up in that moment. I doubt she stays that way for much longer. Somebody's gotta bring Jon back.   
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Thoros and the Brotherhood Without Banners could return, he's guy that could revive him, but Snow's been dead a while now, I thought resurrection had an expiration date.

Also, I forgot:  Melisandre purchased Gendry from the Brotherhood, so there's a connection there.

I don't think Melisandre has ever revived anyone.  She can cough up  assassins from her foo-foo, but I don't think she has ever revived the dead.

 
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massraider said:
Thoros and the Brotherhood Without Banners could return, he's guy that could revive him, but Snow's been dead a while now, I thought resurrection had an expiration date.
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On this show I think we can throw traditional medicine out the window. :)

That being said, he hasn't been dead that long. Seems like it's been a matter of hours that have passed there in that part of the storyline. 

 
massraider said:
Plot hole bigger than I thought, then.

Because they showed the Sand Snakes watching that boat leave from the dock last season, and they were in Dorne this episode as well.  
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Or maybe they took another boat right after the first left, and arrived in Kings Landing right after the first arrived.

 
Also, if Thoros and his buddies returned, it would open up a potential storyline from that book that I thought was abandoned.  

Which would be dope.   That could potentially be a season-ending cliffhanger.

 
Dumb question because I kind of only halfway watch the show and then always ask my wife what is going on. But if the red head could bring back the dead, why didn't she revive her boo Stannis? Did she try and it failed? 

Tia, will answer yours as long as it isn't about this show. 

 
massraider said:
Plot hole bigger than I thought, then.

Because they showed the Sand Snakes watching that boat leave from the dock last season, and they were in Dorne this episode as well.  
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Only two of them were in Dorne this episode and not the two that killed the prince. They clearly snuck on to the ship which was my first impression.

 
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