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Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (5 Viewers)
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Scoresman
Footballguy
This guy knows things. Although if we're going to keep two threads it should switch to spoiler/non-spoiler threads.
Chaka
Footballguy
NutterButter
Footballguy
Just watched the final episode myself. Wow. Episode 9 is usually the jaw dropper with 10 just doing some story cleanup, but back to back with 10 being just ridiculous.
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
Jamie had expressed skepticism that Ned cheated. But Harland is probably going to spoil it all.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
OK, let's talk invasion:
Based on circumstantial evidence/Reddit, the Lannister army is about 30k. Tyrells have 25k, Martells has about 20k. However, the Dornish army is skilled but fairly untested, as they're hemmed in by the Tyrells. And up until now, the Tyrells and the Dornish never got along. Dany has a combined army of approx 70k.
Good map here: http://quartermaester.info/
Right before Dany gives Daario the high-hat, he's going on about how the Second Sons should go up to Casterly Rock, so that the Lannisters have nowhere to run. With the Tyrells and Martells closing in from King's Landing's west and south, I think the major question is whether Dany goes straight for a landing at King's Landing, a la Stannis, or maybe takes a more conservative route and lands somewhere north of KL, perhaps around Rook's Rest or Duskendale. With dragons, it's possible that Dany could force a surrender without a battle, and take over an entire port city as a provisional HQ for her landing forces. From there it's a short jump to King's Landing.
Any way you slice it, the Tyrell/Martell/Dany army seem very unlikely to be denied. Just the Dothraki would probably be enough, but with two other considerable armies closing in from the West, they seem fairly screwed.
Based on circumstantial evidence/Reddit, the Lannister army is about 30k. Tyrells have 25k, Martells has about 20k. However, the Dornish army is skilled but fairly untested, as they're hemmed in by the Tyrells. And up until now, the Tyrells and the Dornish never got along. Dany has a combined army of approx 70k.
Good map here: http://quartermaester.info/
Right before Dany gives Daario the high-hat, he's going on about how the Second Sons should go up to Casterly Rock, so that the Lannisters have nowhere to run. With the Tyrells and Martells closing in from King's Landing's west and south, I think the major question is whether Dany goes straight for a landing at King's Landing, a la Stannis, or maybe takes a more conservative route and lands somewhere north of KL, perhaps around Rook's Rest or Duskendale. With dragons, it's possible that Dany could force a surrender without a battle, and take over an entire port city as a provisional HQ for her landing forces. From there it's a short jump to King's Landing.
Any way you slice it, the Tyrell/Martell/Dany army seem very unlikely to be denied. Just the Dothraki would probably be enough, but with two other considerable armies closing in from the West, they seem fairly screwed.
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
Casterly Rock doesn't make much sense. It's on the other side of the continent and it's close enough to the Iron Islands that they'd have to deal with Euron's 1000 ships.
I would've thought that they'd land in Dorne and travel by land north, being that the Dothraki don't have much seafaring experience. We know that didn't happen because we see Dornish ships in the fleet.
If not King's Landing, then Storm's End or Dragonstone would make the most sense, based on the map. Dragonstone was Stannis's home base (If I remember correctly). It's striking distance to Kings Landing and is pretty fitting considering the name.
The Eyrie is up in the mountains and would be very difficult to siege. Any further north and you're dealing with wintery weather issues.
I would've thought that they'd land in Dorne and travel by land north, being that the Dothraki don't have much seafaring experience. We know that didn't happen because we see Dornish ships in the fleet.
If not King's Landing, then Storm's End or Dragonstone would make the most sense, based on the map. Dragonstone was Stannis's home base (If I remember correctly). It's striking distance to Kings Landing and is pretty fitting considering the name.
The Eyrie is up in the mountains and would be very difficult to siege. Any further north and you're dealing with wintery weather issues.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
Dragonstone's an island, Bro. Won't do them any good to land there if they want to conquer Westeros. LMAO.......Do you even watch the show?
El Floppo
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Dragonstone makes sense because IIRC it was the ancient seat of the Targaryens and also geographically and strategically it would make sense to take control of Blackwater Bay and ensure no one was behind them as they attack KL from the sea. Also I guess there is no real Baratheon leadership there anymore. Anyway they could land there and stage for KL. - Otoh - if the Tyrells & Dorne are already marching from the west, might as well attack KL and get on with it. That's how I originally pictured it, the two armies from the west and Dany's armies from the sea landing somewhere around KL.
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Foosball God
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I don't see Tyrion advocating a Blackwater Bay attack after what he did to Stannis' navy. The chain is still there, as well as a fair stockpile of wildfire as far as he knows.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Is it really?
I am honestly surprised we didn't have this multipage argument about book vs. non-book readers this year. Seemed like it only took an episode or two in season's past.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
They did the exact same thing a season or two ago. Up at the wall the old man was talking about being the last Targ and it goes to a lingering close up of Jon coming in the room. If anything, I think the show errs way on the side of not trusting the viewers to put stuff together between stuff like that and the way too telegraphed "previously ons".
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
People who talk about the show on message boards are the 1%ers. Majority of viewers would be lost without being beat over the head.
massraider
Footballguy
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
packersfan
Footballguy
It's in a dead heat with Breaking Bad for me. May come down to the ending. Breaking Bad nailed its ending. I'm confident GOT won't fall short either. Like Gilligan was on Breaking Bad, these writers are playing a different game.
What? Did you see the video sacbob posted? There was no skepticism. Damn you, I said that was my last post and you dragged me back in. Jamie was launching vitriol at Catelyn about Jon being a *******. There was no skepticism, he was throwing it in her face. Robert showed no skepticism at all either, he was joking that Ned wasn't so pure after all. Only Stannis showed actual skepticism, but again it appeared to be more of a "I still can't believe it" and he's dead, so doesn't matter.
Scoresman
Footballguy
Wow, that girl has the stone man disease in real life?
jhib
Footballguy
This is a good point. I basically skip every post in here that starts out with something like, "My predictions: " whether or not there are spoiler tags. It doesn't really make a difference if you are making predictions based on the books or based on information you've read on other sites which itself may have come from the books or leaked episodes or whatever. But really, I'm just not into the whole predicting thing anyway when it comes to my tv watching. I like being surprised and am sometimes curious about how others react to what we just saw.
If there was a "GOT, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory, no predictions" thread, that's where I'd be.
Oh, and funny posts like the picture LAUNCH just posted, the "If she had three dragons the show would have ended 2 seasons ago" one, and Jon Leeroy Jenkins Snow. They have to be in there, too.
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
Thunderlips
Footballguy
Book is still better than the show. The book is so much more layered (although the earlier seasons of the show achieved this quite well) with flavor and the POV way in which he rights it allows for greater nuance in the story telling (Brienne seeing The Hound with the Priests). I also think that the books don't delve into some of the more trite mechanisms that the show has embraced (Rickon getting shot at/Ramsey shooting at a shielded Jon/Lancel crawling to put out the flames) to gin up suspense......(although I do think that the earlier shows didn't do this).
Show is on par or better than any of the other great dramas of the late 90s/200s....where really only opinion of subject matter would allow someone to justify ranking one above the other. I think that its cinematography is still below Breaking Bads though.
Show is on par or better than any of the other great dramas of the late 90s/200s....where really only opinion of subject matter would allow someone to justify ranking one above the other. I think that its cinematography is still below Breaking Bads though.
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Scoresman
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packersfan
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culdeus
Footballguy
Forgive me for not having memory of every single second of this show:
How did they manage to keep Davos from understanding what happened to the princess? What sort of lie did they tell about that? And with so many people seeing this go down how did it really not get back to him?
Seems pretty implausible, so much so that I just assumed I had forgotten how they let that play out, so the scene this week was somewhat a ?what? moment.
How did they manage to keep Davos from understanding what happened to the princess? What sort of lie did they tell about that? And with so many people seeing this go down how did it really not get back to him?
Seems pretty implausible, so much so that I just assumed I had forgotten how they let that play out, so the scene this week was somewhat a ?what? moment.
packersfan
Footballguy
Stannis sent Davos to the Wall. Also, Stannis' army was killed so nobody was left to tell Davos what happened. Only one person knew and she wasn't gonna say anything.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
I didn't think they were bad......it's just I thought it was drama that we already knew the outcome to. Sure, they waited until the fourth arrow (as opposed to the traditional third time is the charm mechanism) to bring Rickon down....but in the end, I knew (not because of the book because it hasn't happened in the book) he was done for the second Ramsey led him out there. Same with Jon....once he picks up the shield and Ramsey doesn't get him with the first one.....he isn't getting him at all.
I think Martins books hit you with the violence (or resolution to the conflict at hand) with minimal suspense and forced you to come to terms with it as the characters at hand were realizing it.
James Daulton
Footballguy
Hopefully Dany's taught her dragons some kind of strafing fire attack. If they just hover like they did above the ship and let loose their fire, they'd be easy pickens for some soldiers with big spears or catapults.
And still no one has answered what the dragons do as they're crossing the ocean. Bob like ducks? Or swim like one of those birds that dive into the water then come back out.
And still no one has answered what the dragons do as they're crossing the ocean. Bob like ducks? Or swim like one of those birds that dive into the water then come back out.
nirad3
Footballguy
Yup. My wife - who doesn't engage in message board stuff on GoT - is fairly lost at this point. And she's been watching the show since it kicked off and even dabbled in the books for a spell.
packersfan
Footballguy
It may not have been subtle but I thought the transitional shot from the baby to Jon was really well done. Combined with the music it was an effective and very powerful image. And in defense of the showrunners they needed a definitive and clear moment that made no mistake what was going on. Transitioning like that from the baby's eyes to adult Jon did just that and accomplished exactly what they were seeking.
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FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I liked Breaking Bad a lot but I'm struggling to think of a movie with cinematography as good as these last two episodes of GoT, much less a TV show.
packersfan
Footballguy
Yup. As great as Breaking Bad was I don't recall thinking there was ever an episode I thought belonged on a movie screen. Battle of the Bastards without a doubt did and the finale was right up there too.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Friend of mine who watches every episode. Didnt read the books. Thought ned and lyanna were jon snows parents. Even said incest again??
To me the tower of joy scene should not have been broken up. Or perhaps do away with the whispers. And say 'ned i loved rhaegar. This is our child'
Good Posting Judge
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I'm guessing the only person anywhere who has studied dragon battle tactics is Tyrion.
eta - as for long distance dragon flying mechanics, I'd say they would glide very high up 90% of the way.
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FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I can throw one really high but I'm kind of a beast.How high can you throw a spear?
To be fair thought didn't the Sons of the Harpy do some pretty decent damage to one of the dragons by throwing spears?
Spike
Footballguy
Littlefinger is going to invent ancestry.com; the first website. With it, he will morph into Al Gore and invent the internet. THEN he will find out Jon's parentage, go back in time and get his way.
hxperson
Footballguy
After watching the finale, my wife was insisting that there is a chance Jon Snow is Robert Baratheon's son, and that even if Jon were Rheagar's son instead, Robert wouldn't want to kill him because Jon would be his only way of remembering the woman he loved. I just responded with "6 seasons in, and you still don't understand this world at all."
packersfan
Footballguy
The last time someone mentioned Dany's name to Cersei she sneered and outright dismissed her as any kind of a threat. I doubt at this time she's even thinking about someone coming from the sea. And who could be in a position to warn her? I could see word getting to her about Jon being the new King in the North but Dany's oncoming army might totally catch her by surprise. Who's left in King's Landing to advise her who has any idea Dany even exists at this point?
Spike
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roadkill1292
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James Daulton
Footballguy
Thunderlips
Footballguy
They certainly were on par with just about any movie I can think of. The great thing about them though was, despite being directed by the same guy.....they were both great for different reasons. BoTb was as good as any big budget battle I've seen at the theatre.....and the finale carried this subtle elegance that belonged in an art house theatre. With those two and HardHome under his belt....they just need to let that guy direct the lions share of episodes left.
