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Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (4 Viewers)

Not saying its not a real weapon. Just saying that using one to kill a dragon isn't exactly an original idea as far as fantasy fiction is concerned.
That's fair, but neither is using a sword to kill a human...or a catapult to tear down a wall. Some weapons are just better suited for certain things. And, if I had to choose an ancient weapon to kill a dragon, the scorpion would top my list as well. :shrug:

Sorry for being pedantic, but I don't get the irritation.

 
Leaving Theon alive is stupid. If he hasn't changed, and he's still just a coward who will do anything to survive, then why do we care about him? Doubt he mounts a rescue. Should have let him go out trying to do the right thing for his sister and gotten rid of the character. His POV has been garbage for years now anyways, except for like two redeeming scenes with Sansa and that one scene with Yara at the brothel. 

 
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Leaving Theon alive is stupid. If he hasn't changed, and he's still just a coward who will do anything to survive, then why do we care about him? Doubt he mounts a rescue. Should have let him go out trying to do the right thing for his sister and gotten rid of the character. 
I don't think that was him being a coward. I think he just saw the writing on the wall. The quick scan around the area (showing Euron's men mutilating the other ironborn) was evidence that he was assessing the situation. If he tries to rush Euron, there's a very good chance he and Yara die anyway. And then it was all for nothing. 

 
Leaving Theon alive is stupid. If he hasn't changed, and he's still just a coward who will do anything to survive, then why do we care about him? Doubt he mounts a rescue. Should have let him go out trying to do the right thing for his sister and gotten rid of the character. His POV has been garbage for years now anyways, except for like two redeeming scenes with Sansa and that one scene with Yara at the brothel. 
Which is exactly what he will do. He will give his life to reframe himself to save Yara. He kills Yuron(sp?), just before Yuron is about to kill Yura. 

 
Which is exactly what he will do. He will give his life to reframe himself to save Yara. He kills Yuron(sp?), just before Yuron is about to kill Yura. 
Would be impressive, since he's clinging to a piece of driftwood in the ocean and Euron's fleet is going back to King's Landing, where Theon has never been. But obviously his story isn't over so I'm curious to see what he cooks up

 
I don't think that was him being a coward. I think he just saw the writing on the wall. The quick scan around the area (showing Euron's men mutilating the other ironborn) was evidence that he was assessing the situation. If he tries to rush Euron, there's a very good chance he and Yara die anyway. And then it was all for nothing. 
Oh it was definitely the rational thing to do. Just seems like he should have gone out with some honor. Really I'm just over the character.

 
Oh it was definitely the rational thing to do. Just seems like he should have gone out with some honor. Really I'm just over the character.
Not enough time left in the run to keep him around unless they have plans for him.  I'm over him and that was the perfect redemption moment but They can't kill Euron yet.

if anything I think we know who kills him now.

 
Man they are in htfu mode. 

Next week Jon and dany meet 

Unsullied hit kings landing. 

Not wasting much time are they. 

 
at this point the rest of the series could flop and i still think i would say this was the best TV series ever, hand's down. there are other good series, but i think they are competing for 2nd. the events that occurred in this episode alone would be like 5 or 6 episodes in most series. 

 
at this point the rest of the series could flop and i still think i would say this was the best TV series ever, hand's down. there are other good series, but i think they are competing for 2nd. the events that occurred in this episode alone would be like 5 or 6 episodes in most series. 
When people look back on this series the main criticism will be the filibusters in seasons 4 and 5. 

 
When people look back on this series the main criticism will be the filibusters in seasons 4 and 5. 
yeah, but even those seasons were better then 98% of TV. just amazing, and when people watch this in the future it will likely be binge watching and it will be just as good as the rest in that format, i think

 
There were a few shots during the sea battle that seemed to have extremely poor production value. Kind of surprised me actually. 

 
I am so looking forward to Nymeria leading a Rohan like charge on Pelennor Fields with her pack (which according to rumors is said to be ENORMOUS).

 
Did that seem like a soap opera moving plot lines forward big time, a more "hollywood blandness", with a decent battle scene thrown in at the end, but very uneven story telling and pace throughout?

Just felt kinda lame for a good stretch.

 
I'm ok with the battle.  We need to get over how much they have to cram in here. 

But Theon doing that was just crap. Forced drama for no reason. To me.

I don't think there is going to be a battle for the Iron Throne any time soon. Jon and Tyrion are going to convince Dany to go north because if she doesn't she will end up being the queen of ashes. JMHO.
:goodposting:   They made it a point of saying Dany didn't want to be queen of ashes over and over, she'll go north. Cersei isn't going anywhere, she'll be there when Dany gets done.

Not a fan of the Theon storyline either. Just seems like a waste with so much other good content to get to. Even if he does save Yara, that whole storyline is a bit part to the greater story.  And the whole Yara name thing upsets me but I can't talk about that.

 
When people look back on this series the main criticism will be the filibusters in seasons 4 and 5. 
Yup.  And it's all because Martin didn't put in the work to finish the book.  If he just would have been straight with the showrunners and told them to go ahead and finish this off they would have had plenty of time.  

4 was OK in my book, 5 was a rudderless ship. But what few people talk about was season 5 impact on season 6. I think most folks were happy with 6 but half the season was made up of people running around the globe and getting the chess board set up for 7&8.

 
1. Who was captured and who was killed in the final sea battle?  Was one of the bodies at the end Ellaria or was she just taken?

2. Missandei is just stunningly gorgeous. 

 
1. Who was captured and who was killed in the final sea battle?  Was one of the bodies at the end Ellaria or was she just taken?

2. Missandei is just stunningly gorgeous. 


As far as I could tell, Ellaria and one sandsnake were captured below deck, two sandsnakes were killed on deck by Euron, and then hung from the front of the ship. And I'd assume Yara is still alive for now.

 
What else are you going to use?
Same thing they'd give us: AK-47s, AK-74s, AKMS. The fighters need RPG-7 antitank grenade launchers, Katyusha 170-millimeter rockets, wire mines, plastic mines, bicycle bombs, sniper rifles, ammunition for all of the above, and frequency-hopping radios and burst transmitters so these guys aren't so ####### easy to find.

 
Same thing they'd give us: AK-47s, AK-74s, AKMS. The fighters need RPG-7 antitank grenade launchers, Katyusha 170-millimeter rockets, wire mines, plastic mines, bicycle bombs, sniper rifles, ammunition for all of the above, and frequency-hopping radios and burst transmitters so these guys aren't so ####### easy to find.
Right. If he had an f-15 under that tarp I would have been like, no way dude.

 
I thought that was the 2 sand snakes at the front with the last one, Mama, and Yara alive for the gift to Cersei.
Can't be 100% but I think you're right. They aren't killing someone like Yara offscreen when we last saw her as a hostage. Those were the two sandsnakes Euron destroyed.

 
No way, loved it. Establishes Euron as a total badass, Samwell is doing great things in Oldtown, and we have a Queen in the North.

Only thing I didn't like was the Nymeria scene (LOVED the Hot Pie scene though). My guess is GRRM had a lot planned for Arya in the Riverlands, possibly even spending time in the pack. But the showrunners have to cut stuff out and the direwolves cost a lot to use in episodes.
Littlefinger liked that a little too much.  Doesn't he have the biggest portion of the army around there with the army from The Vale?  With Jon sound and the Wildlings heading north, I think bad things will happen in Winterfell. 

I am more with sniffer as far as this episode on the whole - it was kinda suppar for me as well.  For my liking it feels like the big stuff is being rushed and everybody just happens to be in one spot and reuniting, but we have all the time in the world for Sam and Jorah, Sand Snakes, Grey Worm/Missandei silliness (don't get me wrong, I didn't mind the nakedness), etc..  Just an odd balance, but I am sure that is just personal taste as far as the people I would like to spend more time with. 

 
So glad Arya made the instant decision to go home instead, after talking to Hot Pie. Idk if she and Jon will see each other but she's got to reunite with Sansa and Bran (who should be sliding into Winterfell at any moment, right?) Crazy that for all the things they think happened to each other, only Robb is actually dead. Edit: oh, and Rickon.

Speaking of that, some of the best moments of the episode were watching characters find out badass things about people they haven't seen in a long time.

1. Arya and Tyrion finding out that not only did Jon become Lord Commander, but somehow he took back Winterfell and is King in the North.

2. Littlefinger finding out that Tyrion is Hand of the Queen for Dany. You could almost see the "well played" look on his face. 

I think there was one more I'm forgetting, too. 

All of these early-series meetings between main characters who haven't seen each other in 5-6 seasons are going to pay off big time. Jon and Sansa was one really good one already.

 
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They've not even remotely hinted that the White Walkers are a group that care about diplomacy, or would possibly consider going back North and living in peace. They have no civilization or society that we've seen other than propagating and taking over. They're just a force of destruction, a scary plot device. I doubt they get fleshed out any more beyond the Night King's history, maybe. This theory makes no sense to me at all. 
I don't know. Looks like the white walker behind the knight king is always holding a little box. It's most likely a ring. A wedding ring. Those deep blue eyes show he's full of love. But he's a bad man on the inside. A sad man. He's had centuries. Only lonely.  His love is vengeance. And that's never free. And no one knows what's like. To be the bad man. To be the sad man. Behind blue eyes. 

 
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I don't know. Looks like the white walker behind the knight king is always holding a little box. It's most likely a ring. A wedding ring. Those deep blue eyes show are full of love. But he's a bad man on the inside. A sad man. He's had centuries. Only lonely.  His love is vengeance. And that's never free. And no one knows what's like. To be the bad man. To be the sad man. Behind blue eyes. 
:lmao:

 
I'm ok with the battle.  We need to get over how much they have to cram in here. 
It just doesn't make sense.  The whole point of giving a show an end date is to prevent it from languishing with a bunch of filler.  If a tight end date is making the show worse by forcing them to cram everything in, then what was the point in making that end date?  I mean the show is making money hand over first so it's a lose-lose if it's making the quality go down too.

They should have just done full 10 episode seasons.

 
They should have just done full 10 episode seasons.
You say this, and I get it, but after 6 seasons of watching everyone slowly shift into place would you really enjoy more of watching everyone slowly travel to where they "need to be" now that it's endgame time? The last couple seasons brought us to an obvious tipping point, I don't really mind that that we're skipping the slow burn of previous seasons to get to plot resolutions. 

Don't get me wrong, I'd have taken two more 10 episode seasons too, and I don't really get it, financially, either (unless they're cramming 10 eps worth of CGI $$ into 7 episodes, then I kinda get it with all the big stuff happening). But I can also see that it was just time to get on with it and resolve some of these storylines. The pacing feels a little off compared to earlier seasons, but the characters and the dialogue feel right, and it's still super enjoyable. 

 
You say this, and I get it, but after 6 seasons of watching everyone slowly shift into place would you really enjoy more of watching everyone slowly travel to where they "need to be" now that it's endgame time? The last couple seasons brought us to an obvious tipping point, I don't really mind that that we're skipping the slow burn of previous seasons to get to plot resolutions. 

Don't get me wrong, I'd have taken two more 10 episode seasons too, and I don't really get it, financially, either (unless they're cramming 10 eps worth of CGI $$ into 7 episodes, then I kinda get it with all the big stuff happening). But I can also see that it was just time to get on with it and resolve some of these storylines. The pacing feels a little off compared to earlier seasons, but the characters and the dialogue feel right, and it's still super enjoyable. 
If you're asking me if I enjoyed the deliberate pacing of the first 6 seasons a lot more than the unevenness of the last 2 episodes then heck to the yea.  Stuff has more meaning when there is a build up to it.  Nevermind all the suspension of disbelief required with some characters apparently having GPS trackers and access to the GoT wiki in the show.

All the Euron attack was missing was a nice montage of him banging away on a computer running an AI simulation and asking it "who are Cersei's enemies?" followed by "ok, and where is Ellaria Sand located right now?" then leaning back in his chair and putting his hand to his chin as a 3D overlay with a bunch of bright colors swoops in and pinpoints a target on a virtual map while he smugly exclaims "bingo".

 
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You say this, and I get it, but after 6 seasons of watching everyone slowly shift into place would you really enjoy more of watching everyone slowly travel to where they "need to be" now that it's endgame time? The last couple seasons brought us to an obvious tipping point, I don't really mind that that we're skipping the slow burn of previous seasons to get to plot resolutions. 

Don't get me wrong, I'd have taken two more 10 episode seasons too, and I don't really get it, financially, either (unless they're cramming 10 eps worth of CGI $$ into 7 episodes, then I kinda get it with all the big stuff happening). But I can also see that it was just time to get on with it and resolve some of these storylines. The pacing feels a little off compared to earlier seasons, but the characters and the dialogue feel right, and it's still super enjoyable. 
Maybe it's just what you really loved about the first seasons and the characters.  I would say yes/no to your question.  Yes I would love it if they got back to the writing and dialogue that they had for the first 4 seasons.  Problem is (for me anyway), the stuff we spent time on wasn't nearly as good and the good characters got shifted to worse spots.  I don't think Tyrion is as good now that he's with Danny, LF isn't as good without Varys, and Jamie is bland now.  So yeah, I would love the level that it used to be, but as it is now, I would agree with you that they should just get to where they are going.  BUT IMO that means focusing on the meat of the story and not spending 10mins with Jorah and Sam. 

This episode could have really used a look in on The Hound and the boys for some comedy relief.   

 
If you're asking me if I enjoyed the deliberate pacing of the first 6 seasons a lot more than the unevenness of the last 2 episodes then heck to the yea.  Stuff has more meaning when there is a build up to it.  Nevermind all the suspension of disbelief required with some characters apparently having GPS trackers and access to the GoT wiki in the show.

All the Euron attack was missing was a nice montage of him banging away on a computer running an AI simulation and asking it "who are Cersei's enemies?" followed by "ok, and where is Ellaria Sand located right now?" then leaning back in his chair and putting his hand to his chin as a 3D overlay with a bunch of bright colors swoops in and pinpoints a target on a virtual map while he smugly exclaims "bingo".
I was just listening to a podcast and they made the point that at the beginning of this project the showrunners signed on for making an adaptation of a book series and then over time had to find a way to basically write said book series, and you are starting to see the cracks as they have to do their own thing with the story.  I know we don't like to mention those things, but I don't think it was a coincidence that the unevenness starts showing as they run out of core material to lean on. 

 
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