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Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (3 Viewers)

wilked said:
I thought the same...

That whole scene honestly was ridiculous in so many ways

-Greyworm tells Tyrion to shut his piehole, and seconds later Tyrion has a 3 min oration that captivates the crowd.  Real life Tyrion kicks him and reminds him to keep his piehole shut

-With little to no deliberation they decide who will be the next ruler.  a pretty damn big decision!  And it's made in 5 mins, with the first nominee unanimously agreed to.  Real life that scene goes to hell quickly with bickering.

-The point of the North being independent, while the rest are under rule to Bran.  If any location would accept Bran without bickering it would be the north, his kin...  

-Greyworm should / would have accepted none of it.  

They ran out of time, so I get why it had to be tidy, but it wasn't close to how it would play out realistically
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Real life Tyrion?  :lol:

Not sure what to make of the folks out these going "well that's not what would have really happened".  It seems like they only engage with the show on some weird meta level.  No wonder it's so unsatisfying for them.

 
That said, the moment with tyrion weeping over his dead brother and sister while they embraced was the reaction beat they needed for him to quit once and for all. 

 
Skoo said:
I didn't really think this was a plot hole but I could be wrong.

As Sansa said, the North were on their own for thousands of years prior. Weren't those others always under the rule of Westeros?
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They were independent prior to the Targaryen invasion.  IIRC the North had been stable and independent political unit for longer than any of the others. 

 
Skoo said:
Jefferson the Caregiver said:
Biggest hole of the night, and there were many, was Sansa declaring the North independent and everyone going along with it, while not one other demanding the same.  No way the Iron Islands or Dorne are not demanding their own independence there.
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I didn't really think this was a plot hole but I could be wrong.

As Sansa said, the North were on their own for thousands of years prior. Weren't those others always under the rule of Westeros?
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I'm not a book guy, so I got a little confused there. Tyrion made a point of saying "SIX kingdoms" instead of seven... so I assume the North was always part of the kingdom- with a protectorate or whatever- and loyal to the king/queen. 

but I agree- the second she says "we're indie" with bran of course going along with it... the entire council would have declared their own independence too.  which I wouldn't have minded- I had assumed this would end with a republic instead of back to the kingdom (even though I appreciate the futility of breaking the wheel, only for it to go right back to where it was).

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fruity pebbles said:
Lol, there’s was like a dozen bricks covering them
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They totally stood and hugged in the only place that they would have died 
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so so so bad. 

 
culdeus said:
people keep saying this on reddit too.  Imp had to scale a huge pile of bricks just to get in there.  It certainly was damaged enough that there was more than just "one place to stand and die"
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Yeah but if they had moved 5 feet they might have lived.

 
I must have missed it... the unsullied sail off to miss-sandy's home. 

and the dothraki? they just chill out in king's landing? setting up shops and stuff? because even though they got snuffed out vs the zombies... they sure seemed to have reproduced like bunnies since. 

 
supermike80 said:
I partially disagree>>Had they decided to not try to end the thing in 6 episodes, they could have drawn it out better. This entire thing failed when they went with 13 episodes for the last 2 seasons.   It was destined to suck when that announcement was made.
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There is probably blame for both parties, but I think hubris and impatience caught up with D&D.    As I posted in the other thread, I tend to place a little more blame on them being the show runners.  When most people's complaints are that they didn't quite stick the landing and stuff felt rushed, we know that HBO was ready to throw all they money they wanted into 10 episode seasons, and they were still "nah, we got this".   Also, it seems like moreso than some other shows that got this popular, they did a lot of the writing themselves.  0 reason if they had other projects to get to (Star Wars), they couldn't have hired some more writers and gone to more of a supervisory role.   Yes, GRRM could have helped matters by providing them with the last books,  but it wasn't terrible, it was just rushed and inconsistent.  

 
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bostonfred said:
If you guys want to make fun of an obvious made for tv moment, then jamie and cersei being buried under a dozen bricks or near an otherwise undisturbed wall isn't the thing to mock.

They were at the top of the pile of rubble, but they started in the basement of the keep. 

Which means they somehow climbed or got thrown up onto the top of the rubble pile, because somehow there was a huge mound of rubble underneath them. 
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I'm not even sure what this post means. 

 
and is Arya getting a spin-off pirate show? 

I didn't read anything before this morning in here... I assume it's been covered? and I assume I'm not alone in wondering WTF going on a big sailing adventure has to do with anything she'd done in the show so far?

 
"We have no ****, we have no balls. We killed the dead, and we killed them all!" Wait, he killed our queen? There's no body? Alrighty then. I guess we'll just sail off to some place where no one knows us, but we'll just tell them the hot chick sent us. They'll totally remember her.

Bran, the boy who spent all season telling us he wasn't Bran anymore. "Oh, I can be king? What do you think I've been waiting on? Signmeup.gif"

I really wish they would've just shown Isaac Hempstead Wright waking up, throwing his feet over the side of the bed, putting on his sneakers, walking down to Starbucks to grab a latte, and then throwing in his air pods while Biggie plays as credits roll: "it was all a dream, I used to read Word Up! magazine..." It wouldn't have been worse.

They told everyone they hated doing the show, and that they didn't like the fans, and then they took a big ole dump on the final season they chose to do in 6 episodes instead of 2 seasons and 20 episodes.

Freefolk memes are pretty funny, as always.  SIAP, but this is one I liked and didn't catch last nigget.

https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/bqr3vl/gotta_go_fast/

 
Also, during the episode that was completely dark, they were saying they wanted it to be realistic.  I didn't think the aftermath at Kings landing was realistic at all.  Everyone was dead.  There should have been a bunch of wounded people screaming.  Also, it was completely bright despite the city being torched.  The sky would have been black with smoke. 

 
Punxsutawney Phil said:
This was funny.  Last week, "The red keep collapsed on them, they are dead nobody could have survived it".   This week, the red keep is still standing minus a pile of bricks in the middle of the room.  Tyrion proceeds to move 3 and uncover 2 bodies.
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Its one of the magic powers of dwarfs imbued in their cranks, thye can find a needle in a haystack or dead incestuous relatives in piles of rubble.

 
Skoo said:
One of the best things I've read on the internet so far:

"When they took out the book "Songs of Ice and Fire" I half expected Tyrion to turn, face the camera, and say "this truly was a game of thrones".

Tyrion was the hand to like 14 different kings. And he didn't get a mention? I know it was supposed to be funny but didn't really make sense IMO.
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Maybe Hand is like Vice President. Nobody cares or really remembers.

 
Punxsutawney Phil said:
Also, during the episode that was completely dark, they were saying they wanted it to be realistic.  I didn't think the aftermath at Kings landing was realistic at all.  Everyone was dead.  There should have been a bunch of wounded people screaming.  Also, it was completely bright despite the city being torched.  The sky would have been black with smoke. 
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Nah..everything is cement...It only explodes when hit with dragon fire..No smouldering

 
KarmaPolice said:
There is probably blame for both parties, but I think hubris and impatience caught up with D&D.    As I posted in the other thread, I tend to place a little more blame on them being the show runners.  When most people's complaints are that they didn't quite stick the landing and stuff felt rushed, we know that HBO was ready to throw all they money they wanted into 10 episode seasons, and they were still "nah, we got this".   Also, it seems like moreso than some other shows that got this popular, they did a lot of the writing themselves.  0 reason if they had other projects to get to (Star Wars), they couldn't have hired some more writers and gone to more of a supervisory role.   Yes, GRRM could have helped matters by providing them with the last books,  but it wasn't terrible, it was just rushed and inconsistent.  
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It also seems like they got bored with the show and tired of the demands it put on them. I agree they definitely should have outsourced some work. 

 
El Floppo said:
and is Arya getting a spin-off pirate show? 

I didn't read anything before this morning in here... I assume it's been covered? and I assume I'm not alone in wondering WTF going on a big sailing adventure has to do with anything she'd done in the show so far?
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For sure.  Yeah "what's west of Westeros" was a line in the show, but other than that I'm not how her ending had to do with much.  I get it, she dropped her vengeance ways, but leading up to that she seemed to be doing that and replacing protecting the family instead.  

Part of the bittersweet is that Sansa is Queen in the North, but has absolutely nobody around her.  Not sure sure why Brienne was in the Kingsguard at the end when she was sworn to protect the girls. 

 
Punxsutawney Phil said:
Also, during the episode that was completely dark, they were saying they wanted it to be realistic.  I didn't think the aftermath at Kings landing was realistic at all.  Everyone was dead.  There should have been a bunch of wounded people screaming.  Also, it was completely bright despite the city being torched.  The sky would have been black with smoke. 
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supermike80 said:
Nah..everything is cement...It only explodes when hit with dragon fire..No smouldering
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Let's not forget a dragon completely hidden by falling ash.

 
Mile High said:
If a 10,000 bricks fall on you chances are there are more bricks on top on you then under you.
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For sure.   When I first skimmed that post I took it that he was saying that wasn't a thing that the nit pickers could nit pick.  

 
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I mean D&D are the same two guys who thought their next HBO project should be about if the South won the Civil War and black people were still slaves. So I don’t really trust their judgment on things. I think they did a great job getting GoT going but it was great source material, a massive team effort and I give as much or more credit to the people at HBO who know how to create a stellar TV show than D&D. 

 
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bostonfred said:
If you guys want to make fun of an obvious made for tv moment, then jamie and cersei being buried under a dozen bricks or near an otherwise undisturbed wall isn't the thing to mock.

They were at the top of the pile of rubble, but they started in the basement of the keep. 

Which means they somehow climbed or got thrown up onto the top of the rubble pile, because somehow there was a huge mound of rubble underneath them. 
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Imagine actually caring about this. What is wrong with people. JFC

 
Ep1 - 9/10

Ep2 - 9.5/10

Ep3 - 8/10

Ep4 - 7.5/10

Ep5 – 10+/10  :thumbup:

Ep6 - 5/10  :thumbdown:

The Game of Thrones ends with nobody sitting on the iron throne and nobody king of all 7 kingdoms.  At the end who should be king, after all the wars and death it was just, "Eh, just pick one."  The only thing lamer than Eh, just pick one is picking Bran.   Bran and the three eyed raven was the worst and most uninteresting story line of the entire series.

- Jon must have missed last weeks episode if he was surprised at Greyworm executing what's left of Ceresi's army.  

- Ruler of fear missed the chance to execute Tyrian on the spot, in front of everyone.  Didn't she immediately go kill Varys?  Why, other than the obvious, even bother taking the time to lock Tyrian up.

- The dragon flew off with dead Dany, who the hell told everyone Jon had killed her?  I'd be like queen was mad, dragon was mad, they took off, I dunno but I'm so sad because I loved her.  I mean I love her.  Oh, by the way being Targarian and all, I'm in charge until she gets back.  Jon is such a #####.

- We need one King for the seven kingdoms, except Sansa, one king for the six kingdoms.  Everyone cool with that?

Pretty substantial let down after last weeks episode.  Still one of if not the best series of all time, but, disappointing that it ended so poorly.  

 
Capella said:
Imagine actually caring about this. What is wrong with people. JFC
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Because people are "emotionally invested" in the show, right?

Nothing wrong with people pointing out obvious flaws in the episode, which seems to be many as pointed out in this thread.

For example, I mean how do you defend a ####### water bottle making it on camera?

 
Being emotionally attached to a character isn’t the same as wondering about the logistics of some bricks falling on people. Come on. 

 
Capella said:
Bran as king makes no sense. 

“Who has better stories than bran?”

[arya looks around uncomfortably]

“I mean really who has better stories than him?”

[Jon Snow, who literally died, just sitting there in a dungeon]
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Part of having great stories is actually telling great stories.  Bran wouldn't even tell people #### when their world was about to end.  

 
Pipes said:
Agreed weird complaint to me.  The only reason it was done this way so Tyrion could find their bodies. That set up the entire episode.
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Not really - it goes right in line of people complaint that the show went from The Wire to a cheesy summer blockbuster (I think somebody said something along those lines).  

I am not talking about being pissed or that ruining the episode, it was just another one of those moments where I just chuckled - well OF COURSE they are just laying perfectly beside each other on the rubble pile that Tyrion only had to move 4 bricks in order to find them.

 
tonydead said:
Ep1 - 9/10

Ep2 - 9.5/10

Ep3 - 8/10

Ep4 - 7.5/10

Ep5 – 10+/10  :thumbup:

Ep6 - 5/10  :thumbdown:

The Game of Thrones ends with nobody sitting on the iron throne and nobody king of all 7 kingdoms.  At the end who should be king, after all the wars and death it was just, "Eh, just pick one."  The only thing lamer than Eh, just pick one is picking Bran.   Bran and the three eyed raven was the worst and most uninteresting story line of the entire series.

- Jon must have missed last weeks episode if he was surprised at Greyworm executing what's left of Ceresi's army.  

- Ruler of fear missed the chance to execute Tyrian on the spot, in front of everyone.  Didn't she immediately go kill Varys?  Why, other than the obvious, even bother taking the time to lock Tyrian up.

- The dragon flew off with dead Dany, who the hell told everyone Jon had killed her?  I'd be like queen was mad, dragon was mad, they took off, I dunno but I'm so sad because I loved her.  I mean I love her.  Oh, by the way being Targarian and all, I'm in charge until she gets back.  Jon is such a #####.

- We need one King for the seven kingdoms, except Sansa, one king for the six kingdoms.  Everyone cool with that?

Pretty substantial let down after last weeks episode.  Still one of if not the best series of all time, but, disappointing that it ended so poorly.  
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One king to rule them all

one king to find them

One king to bring them all

And in the winter bind them.

 
KarmaPolice said:
Not really - it goes right in line of people complaint that the show went from The Wire to a cheesy summer blockbuster (I think somebody said something along those lines).  

I am not talking about being pissed or that ruining the episode, it was just another one of those moments where I just chuckled - well OF COURSE they are just laying perfectly beside each other on the rubble pile that Tyrion only had to move 4 bricks in order to find them.
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You want to spend a half hour of tyrion digging in rubble?

 
Ilov80s said:
I mean D&D are the same two guys who thought their next HBO should be about if the South won the Civil War and black people were still slaves. So I don’t really trust their judgment on things. I think they did a great job getting GoT going but it was great source material, a massive team effort and I give as much or more credit to the people at HBO who know how to create a stellar TV show than D&D. 
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Wtf

 
jplvr said:
They told everyone they hated doing the show, and that they didn't like the fans, and then they took a big ole dump on the final season they chose to do in 6 episodes instead of 2 seasons and 20 episodes.
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:goodposting:   Really really hope these choads don't actually get Star Wars

 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
You want to spend a half hour of tyrion digging in rubble?
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:lol: no.  I don't need to know who cuts the grass either.  

I would think that finding his hand would be enough, or Tyrion seeing that the boat they were supposed to escape on was still there, whatever.  Just thought it was amusing that they were in perfect embrace on top of the rubble heap is all.  

 
I think the writers were inconsistent with Bran's powers.  We know that he can see all past events - he's not all knowing, but if he wants he can find a past event and watch it unfold.  But I didn't think he could see into the future. So when Tyrion asks him if he will accept the crown, Bran replies with something like "Why do you think I came here?"  How would Bran have known that Tyrion was going to nominate him for king?

 
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