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Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (4 Viewers)
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otb_lifer
Footballguy
yep, Snow was pissed in e5 when Greyworm started spearing folk, as well ... that was a great buildup to nada
Thunderlips
Footballguy
HE'S SPEWING FLAMES LIKE DROGON!!!!.... Well done, Sir.TheFanatic said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Could not agree more .. .TheFanatic said:
Captain Cranks
Footballguy
That's too bad because you missed a lot of similarly ironic 'let me be critical of those being critical' posts. Might have saved yourself some keystrokes.TheFanatic said:
Waingro
Footballguy
What I love as the series as whole was that we were basically watching a villain origin story all along but we just didn't know it at the time. The rise of the Mad Queen. I look forward to rewatching the series as it will be interesting to view the show with this new perspective.
pantherclub
Footballguy
How do you feel about the way they glossed over the dragon?TheFanatic said:
otb_lifer
Footballguy
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Strongly disagree......this isnt lotr....while jon is the rightful heir....him sitting as king after killing danny isnt the right ending....
Tyrion through everything won.....the hand and council run things.....the king does what he does ...
Mile High
Footballguy
While it might not be the right ending, what did him being a secret Targaryen really add to the story other then he rode a dragon. He could have always been just Jon Snow and done everything else he did in the show.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
pantherclub
Footballguy
pantherclub
Footballguy
otb_lifer
Footballguy
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I do like these "allow me to ##### about all these nitpickers who do nothing but ##### on the internet" posts.
Capella
Footballguy
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Captain Cranks
Footballguy
These types remind me of the Nirvana All Apologies lyric, "I wish I was like you...easily amused." It doesn't take much for some.
Captain Cranks
Footballguy
Capella
Footballguy
Nothing in those first two are backfilling. Weeks later, if you can’t figure out what Arya left a crumbling castle then I don’t know what to tell you.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
As @Mile High said, the problem isn't that Jon didn't take his rightful place on the throne, the problem is that Jon being a Targayen was basically irrelevant to the story in any meaningful way. The same way that all that time Bran spent learning to Warg was basically irrelevant, and all those episodes we spent watching Arya learn to take other people's identities was basically irrelevant, all the time Arya spent pining over murdering Cersei was basically irrelevant.
All of those could have been completely removed from the show and it would have had barely any impact. And it's not just that time was spent developing those narratives that were ultimately abandoned, it's that it was a major opportunity wasted because they created some really unique opportunities that were ignored in favor of every character just playing everything straight up and everything going pretty predictably linear.
I still contend that the most GRRM thing ever would have been to have one of the "good guys" accidentally kill Arya while not knowing she was in disguise as one of the "bad guys". Imagine Jon putting a sword through Qyburn only to have it revealed as he was crumbling to his death that it was actually Arya he had stabbed after she had taken on Qyburn's face in a plot to get close enough to Cersei to kill her, or something along those lines. THAT would have been epically the GoT we all know.
Scoresman
Footballguy
For those interested, two leaked spoilers that did not come to pass were Tyrion being the cause of the destruction of Kings Landing and summarily being executed for it, and the leaks also mentioned that the later episodes would’ve given greater explanation of the Night Kings purpose.
supermike80
Footballguy
If you only care about the characters, yeah then LOST was OK....Not with Sayid at all but whatever--go with that.stbugs said:
If you want ANY of the mysteries about the show solved....then you won't be pleased....even a little bit
Not sure I agree. I think a lot was resolved but like GoT, people didn’t like the resolution. That said, it’s been a damn long time since I have watched Lost. I don’t think I even remember all of the ending now, it was a really complex show.
Scott Tenorman
Footballguy
I do like these "allow me to ##### about all these nitpickers who do nothing but ##### on the internet" posts.
How many times are you going to try to make this point? You already did it in the other thread.
Scoresman
Footballguy
The more I think about it the more I think that Episode 4 should’ve ended the same up until just before Missandei was executed except as soon as she said Dracarys, Drogon flies down from above or behind and incinerates everyone on the ramparts including Missandei, Cersei, everyone. It’d have been a badass way for Missandei to go out, we wouldn’t have had the sudden Dany heel turn, and we could’ve had two episodes instead of one rushed episode to conclude things.
supermike80
Footballguy
Almost nothing..and I mean nothing, was solved with LOST. Maybe a couple little things.
Dickies
Footballguy
Jon being a Targaryen is one of the major reasons Dany torched KL. Bran warging is what lured the NK to his demise. Arya learning to be an assassin is how she was able to kill the NK.
If Arya snuck out from the shadows and killed the NK with no backstory you all would be #####ing about how she wouldn't be able to do that.
Everything you describe as irrelevant had a major impact on how the final season played out.
Mile High
Footballguy
I thought the biggest reason she went mad was because she didn't have the love of the people of Westeros so she chose fear.
They could have happened without Jon being a secret Targaryen. Jon Snow was the king of the North and a hero in the battle against the night king, Dani was someone no one knew, no secret Targaryen needed
Jon Snow could have broken off his relationship with Dani after listening to the concerns of his sisters that she wasn't all that after all, not that she was his Aunt.
Him being a Targaryen hasn't needed other then to ride a dragon, that no one even said, why can he ride a dragon?
Captain Cranks
Footballguy
Being in season 4 where you've got the black smoke rolling around and people seemingly coming back to life, and everyone somehow knowing each other in a previous life, and apparent flashbacks and flashforwards galore, it's good to know that none of this ends up being explained.
Mr. Mojo
Footballguy
beer 30
Footballguy
Just bringing this back up because I think it was one of, if not the best thing I've read in all 7,000 pages of this thread. We all cheered for Dany every step of the way...until we didn't. She was the breaker of chains, the savior of all those oppressed but when that power grew & could no longer be contained she became the ultimate villain of the show. Well done @Boston Fred Your summation is perfect and really brought it home to a personal level.
I thought of all the good & bad that we ##### about, her story arc was done very well. You saw signs as soon as she landed in Westeros that she had a singular purpose but even then she agreed to help the North against the NK. I suspect it was out of her newfound love for Jon more than her sense of doing good but regardless, even then we saw her as the heroin rather than the villain.
Captain Cranks
Footballguy
Also that his ### didn't get charred after killing Dany. I'm sure the writers had envisioned this as the end goal from the beginning.
Charlie Steiner
Footballguy
I thought of something yesterday. When she was freeing the slaves in Essos, she had Greyworm and the Unsullied infiltrate the city ahead of time and get the slaves on board to help when the time came, but when she got to Westeros, her approach changed 180 degrees, in that instead of trying to connect with the populations of Casterly Rock and King's Landing before attacking them, she just went in with guns a-blazing. To me, her complaining about how the people weren't rising up against Cersei is myopic from a story perspective, and poor continuity from a story writing perspective. Bottom line, in the story, she got love in Essos because she reached out to the smallfolk before attacking, but in Westeros she attacked first and asked questions later, which again is against her established M.O. To me, putting the quibbling about the writing aside, in the context of the greater story arc, she is the one who chose fear, be it subconsciously or otherwise.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
I don't think the series didn't cash in on the prior 7 seasons. Their landing didn't exactly stick. They wobbled. But they weren't not true to their story.
tommyboy
Footballguy
Mile High
Footballguy
Which wasn't really needed since she was so willing to take him back. He could have waited until later that night to stab her in the privacy of their bedroom.
otb_lifer
Footballguy
updated.Final episode of GOT is rated lower then the final episode of Cop Rock on IMDB.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
I think the show used to do an excellent job of using the momentum of characters they built up and then tore down to advance the plot. As the show got to the end....they had to get away from that and build to a final resolution.
For those asking what difference Jon Snow being a Targaryen made in the grand scheme of things, I would argue that it was a rather large, if not the largest, contribution to Dany going full Mad Queen. From the moment she found out, the signs became unmistakable. Her discomfort at the Winterfell celebration, her decision that Fear over Love was her path to power in the 7 kingdoms, and her feeling of isolation due to having nobody to trust. That fact and it's spreading resulted in her feeling betrayed by her hand, her master of whispers, and her lover. Were Jon just Jon Snow, ******* of Winterfell, their relationship would likely have remained intact, she would have had at least one person whom she still loved and trusted.
tommyboy
Footballguy
i dont' think so. He was a dead man walking. Im surprised that wasn't mentioned in the conversation with Tyrion actually. There is no way that Hitler is going to let Hitler Sr keep walking the earth if Hitler wants to retain power that is owed to Hitler Sr.
Mile High
Footballguy
GregR
Footballguy
As an episode I thought it was decent. Not crazy about Bran as the king but the rest of the season kind of checked me out of caring too much. The resolution of Daenerys was the big event.
For me the whole season comes down to reliance on visuals at the cost of believability. A drop off in the quality of dialogue. And not enough build up for the character turns they had to where they felt believable when they happened then.
For me the whole season comes down to reliance on visuals at the cost of believability. A drop off in the quality of dialogue. And not enough build up for the character turns they had to where they felt believable when they happened then.
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Gr00vus
Footballguy
To me there are two branches of consideration in how things ended. One is how we feel about the broad strokes of the plot - how Martin sees the story going overall. The other is how the show executed the realization of those broad strokes. I don't have a problem with the broad plot strokes (in fact, taken on their own I think they're pretty interesting in a good way), but I think the execution of conveying them was markedly poorer than it was when there was more source material to work from. I think the show runners realized they couldn't write as well as Martin, so they shortened the remaining seasons to avoid them being even more poorly executed than they ended up being.
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
Stayed away from this thread for the entire series, but I can't tell you how thrilled I was that we got to watch Arya just walk around for the last three hours of the series.
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