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Game Thread PL1 - Kansas City V Indianapolis (1 Viewer)

I would like to deal Green and LJ in the offseason....give Huard a decent contract as the starter.If I could trade LJ for a DT I would......his attitude + the carries is my justification.I will be rooting for INDY the rest of the way.....
Deal LJ? lol. It all starts with the draft. Make good choices and you get better, make bad choices and you don't. Trading your best player (LJ) DOESN'T make you draft better, or ensure a good deal in the trade.
 
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I would like to deal Green and LJ in the offseason....give Huard a decent contract as the starter.If I could trade LJ for a DT I would......his attitude + the carries is my justification.I will be rooting for INDY the rest of the way.....
Deal LJ? lol. It all starts with the draft. Make good choices and you get better, make bad choices and you don't. Trading your best player (LJ) DOESN'T make you draft better, or ensure a good deal in the trade.
I say that more out of my opinion of LJ the "man" not LJ the player. The guy is a d-bag and if he were not playing for KC, I would detest him.but if we could pull off something remote to Portis-Bailey, I would do it.
 
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Interesting facts to chew on during halftime:

These are Manning's stats in all of his post-season losses. With one exception (41-0 loss to the Jets), his defense has not allowed very high point totals, conversely, the offense has been putrid:

Year Opp Result | CMP ATT PYD PTD INT

---------------------+--------------------------+-----------------

1999 ten L,16-19 | 19 43 227 0 0

Colts averaged 26.4 points and 20.8 points against during the regular season

Offense 10 points worse, Defense ~2 points better

2000 mia L,17-23 | 17 32 194 1 0

Colts averaged 26.8 points and 20.4 points against during the regular season

Offense ~10 points worse, Defense ~3 points worse

2002 nyj L,0-41 | 14 31 137 0 2

Colts averaged 21.8 points and 19.6 points against during the regular season

Offense ~22 points worse, Defense ~21 points worse

2003 nwe L,14-24 | 23 47 237 1 4

Colts averaged 27.9 points and 21.0 points against during the regular season

Offense ~14 points worse, Defense 3 points worse

2004 nwe L,3-20 | 27 42 238 0 1

Colts averaged 32.6 points and 21.9 points against during the regular season

Offense ~30 points worse, Defense ~ 2 points better

2005 pit L,18-21 | 22 38 290 1 0

Colts averaged 27.4 points and 15.4 points against during the regular season

Offense ~9 points worse, defense about 6 points worse

On average, in Colts playoff losses with Manning at QB:

Colts offense scores 15.8 points less than they did during the season

This is substantially below normal output. A huge difference in what normal offensive output should have been expected from the Colts.

Colts defense gives up 4.5 points more than they did during the regular season.

Below normal output, but not by a large amount. Worse than should have been expected, but not by much.

Once again, it looks like the Colt offense will underachieve in a playoff game.
And now H.K. what stats have you for the final outcome? :( Give your Manning bashing a rest! 30-38 1 TD with 2 obvious drops by WRs. And a WIN. :unsure:
 
Interesting that noone is really giving the Colts defense any credit for the bad play of KC> They stopped LJ cold in the first quarter! LJ has been able to run against everyone this far, no?

Holding a 1700 yard rusher to 32 yards is no small feat! That's not coaching. He had over 400 rushes this year. Everyone knew he was getting the rock and he still got 1700!

Manning was out of sync in the first half, no doubt. But he played a nice second half. 30-38 267 1 TD 3 INT is okay. The offense was efficient in the second half. The defense was great. Bob Sanders does make a difference like most great Safeties in the league.

I like the Colts chances next week in Baltimore. Their rushing attack doesn't scare me nearly as much as those we've played this year.

Their WRs are average. Their QB is solid but not spectacular. Their defense is great.

They were favored to beat the Colts opening week last season and the Colts took care of business. Those of you dismissing the Colts are in for a surprise!

 
Props to Dungy as well ... Colts game plan looked great from the start.
:thumbup: To say Dungy outcoached Edwards today would be the understatement of the year.
An coach looks like a genius when the opposing offense waits until 3:00 left in the 3rd to get a 1st down.
You just don't get it. The Chiefs offense played so poorly today because they had no game plan and because they were not ready to play, not because they didn't have the players to take advantage of a horrible defense.
And you put that on Coaching, I put it on the players......anyone who has played knows that if you need some coach to get you motivated to block, tackle and catch passes, then you are already screwed going in.I am saying KC was far and away the worse team coming in....and now everyone and their mother knows it,.The Line has looked this bad most of the season, so how is it all of a sudden Herman's fault today?
Of course the players deserve some of the blame, too, but you seem to want to blame it all on them and absolve Edwards of any.
They were favored to beat the Colts opening week last season and the Colts took care of business. Those of you dismissing the Colts are in for a surprise!
Um, this year's Ravens team is more than just a little bit better than last year's Ravens team. Having said that, the Colts definitely have a chance to win, especially if their defense plays well again, but not if Manning plays like he did today. When you make mistakes like that against the Ravens, they turn those mistakes into defensive scores.
 
Even though Peyton & Co. beat KC today, I am adopting them the rest of the way....mostly because I like rooting for mid-west teams

 
Interesting that noone is really giving the Colts defense any credit for the bad play of KC> They stopped LJ cold in the first quarter! LJ has been able to run against everyone this far, no?Holding a 1700 yard rusher to 32 yards is no small feat! That's not coaching.
Well duh. Yeah did amazingly well vs LJ. Wouldn't guessed it in 100 yrs.
Manning was out of sync in the first half, no doubt. But he played a nice second half. 30-38 267 1 TD 3 INT is okay.
No, actually it kinda sucks, based on the 3 INTs, esp since all 3 were horrible passes. And the high comp % isn't so hard to do when you're tossing the ball 3-4 yds (or less) on so many plays.
I like the Colts chances next week in Baltimore.
Prepare for a big letdown.
 
i know it's WAY too early for accurate weather forecasts, but weather.com is showing 40% chance of rain and a high of 66 for next saturday, and a 60% chance of rain and a high of 57 for next sunday in baltimore.

if that's at all accurate, it's another factor that will make it difficult for manning and the colts. the defense on the ravens this year is significantly better than last year, and the difference on offense is even bigger (mcnair vs boller). plus, don't underestimate how much the fans in baltimore hate the colts for moving...the stadium will be loud and rocking.

still, if the colts play defense like they did today, it will be a close and low scoring game.

 
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i know it's WAY too early for accurate weather forecasts, but weather.com is showing 40% chance of rain and a high of 66 for next saturday, and a 60% chance of rain and a high of 57 for next sunday in baltimore.if that's at all accurate, it's another factor that will make it difficult for manning and the colts. the defense on the ravens this year is significantly better than last year, and the difference on offense is even bigger (mcnair vs boller). plus, don't underestimate how much the fans in baltimore hate the colts for moving...the stadium will be loud and rocking.still, if the colts play defense like they did today, it will be a close and low scoring game.
And no way will the Colts run it on Baltimore like they did on KCAnd Peyton under pressure, in a big game....that just spells disaster
 
i know it's WAY too early for accurate weather forecasts, but weather.com is showing 40% chance of rain and a high of 66 for next saturday, and a 60% chance of rain and a high of 57 for next sunday in baltimore.if that's at all accurate, it's another factor that will make it difficult for manning and the colts. the defense on the ravens this year is significantly better than last year, and the difference on offense is even bigger (mcnair vs boller). plus, don't underestimate how much the fans in baltimore hate the colts for moving...the stadium will be loud and rocking.still, if the colts play defense like they did today, it will be a close and low scoring game.
And no way will the Colts run it on Baltimore like they did on KCAnd Peyton under pressure, in a big game....that just spells disaster
So, the Colts go on the road in your thinking and score what, 10 points? Are they even capable of scoring more than Baltimore's 12.6 ppg against for the year? Manning isn't good for an additional TD?If that is even POSSIBLE in your thinking, that gets Indy 20 points. Are the Ravens going to post more than their season average of 22.1ppg? I'd say the only way this happens is if they score Defensive TDs.So, in MY thinking, I say it is a 24-21 game either way. And this, my friend, is hardly a no-brainer!
 
Just wanted to take a moment and state the Herm Edwards is a moron. How can you only give LJ 13 carries. He is the type of RB that will wear you down. If he doesn't get his yards to begin with, then he will get them later. Horrible gameplan and play calling.

 
Without 4 new O-Linemen, KC will be 3-13 next season....even as a realistic homer, I greatly under-estimated how unbelieveably FUTILE the O-line is.A simple 5-step drop got Trent killed 50% of the time today.This loss is not on Trent, IMO......but I will say I think he is done in KC. This offense does not suit him.
True but the pass rush was only a factor in the 2nd half. Indy stacked against the rush. KC kept running up the gut. KC never went deep until they were down and the DEF knew that they had to throw. This was as predictable as an offense can get and Indy DEF read KC like a book. If KC throws early to establish offensive balance then Indy is forced to play honest DEF and LJ goes off. Why didn't KC throw??? Poor OL vs the pass rush, had to leave their #1 WR (Gonzo) in as a blocker and no legitimate #1 WR option. Nice to see TE Wilson perform well but KC needs to focus on OL, WR and DL in the off season and maybe even a PK who won't dink a 23 yarder.Nice job by the KC DEF today as well as the Indy DEF strategy. The KC offensive coordinator needs to be doing something else next year as he gave KC zero chance to win by not throwing deep.3-13 prediction is a knee jerk prediction for KC next year. Indy next week vs BAL will come down to if Indy can get an early lead and wear out the BAL pass rush. Even though Manning is rarely sacked, I like BAL's chances to put him on his back or force some mistakes. I think BAL will play a smarter game offensively than KC and we'll see BAL vs SD.
 
This game *might* have been interesting if Huard had started... but Herm Edwards would have still been the coach, so probably not.
Bloom, how would you have done thsi different with the KC OL.........I am interested because I think you are blowing a lot of smoke here towards Herm when Herm cannot block.
Just been more aggressive, had a more inventive "one-off" type game plan - he said during the week that he was willing to pull Green if it was apparent that it was "best for the football team". Well, it was, and he didn't. He also didn't open up the offense the littlest wee bit until they were down 16-0. If they had run that drive as the first drive of the game, Indy loosens up, the runs up the middle work better, Green is under less pressure... the whole effect cascades.
:lmao: Huard "may" have helped but the real problem was the conservative until it was too late KC offensive game plan, and to think, with those Indy turnovers this game could and should have been upside down of the outcome as KC would have had a decent lead and been able to run the ball in the 2nd half.
 
This game *might* have been interesting if Huard had started... but Herm Edwards would have still been the coach, so probably not.
Bloom, how would you have done thsi different with the KC OL.........I am interested because I think you are blowing a lot of smoke here towards Herm when Herm cannot block.
Just been more aggressive, had a more inventive "one-off" type game plan - he said during the week that he was willing to pull Green if it was apparent that it was "best for the football team". Well, it was, and he didn't. He also didn't open up the offense the littlest wee bit until they were down 16-0. If they had run that drive as the first drive of the game, Indy loosens up, the runs up the middle work better, Green is under less pressure... the whole effect cascades.Herm just had an uninspired game plan today. Jordan Black was getting beat and the line was getting pushed back, but the whole offense looked tentative - Gonzo and Kennison dropping balls, LJ running sideways, Green flinching at any pressure. Some of this has to be chalked up with their mindset entering the game, and the coach bears responsibility for that.edit to add: he also said that you were "desperate" in the playoffs. I didn't see the urgency of desperation in the Chiefs play. Again, preparation, again, the coach.
Everything you mentioned is players - Black getting mauled, Gonzo and Kennison dropping passes.....Green not escaping pressurePeople are pissed because he said he would pull Trent and did not.......He never specifically said that, and even if he did, so what if he lied? Coaches lie all the time. Huard would not have made a difference today - unless he would play LT, RT, RG or C.Herm even said in the 4th when Trent was sacked, you saw him mouth "We cant block 'em"When you do not have the players, you will lose.
tell that to Boise State,,,game plan/coaching can overcome superior players.
 
I would like to deal Green and LJ in the offseason....give Huard a decent contract as the starter.If I could trade LJ for a DT I would......his attitude + the carries is my justification.I will be rooting for INDY the rest of the way.....
Deal LJ? lol. It all starts with the draft. Make good choices and you get better, make bad choices and you don't. Trading your best player (LJ) DOESN'T make you draft better, or ensure a good deal in the trade.
I disagree here. NFL RB's are overrated and high injurable. If you can get a pro bowl DT for LJ then do it while LJ is at the top of his game and before the 400 carries either wear him down or he gets injured. RBBC is the way to go. There are Ladell Betts type players on every roster. Mewhelde Moore, etc,,,the list is long. I think very good DT's are a harder commodity to come by.
 

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