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Game Thread W12 - Chicago V New England (1 Viewer)
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Colin Dowling
Footballguy
Agree. The PAts division has 3 hot teams, so every win means a ton at this point, even though those teams are a few games back.Good Game Grid...lived up to expectations...I think we needed this one more than the Bears did.
Lauryn
Footballguy
zoonation
Footballguy
no kidding...hey Bears fans...let me know when your team signs a QB that has any hope of leading you anywhere...and, when you don't get 6 gimme games in the worst division in football.GRIDIRON ASSASSIN said:
Otis
Footballguy
Nope. Can't see the Bears going with anyone but Rex. He is still technically in his 1st season.
boubucarow
Footballguy
for the most part. My only point of contention is his perceived lack of accuracy on mid range passes. He is very very good on deep ins that are 10-15 yards and on hitting the tight end at about the same length over the middle of the field. When he sets his feet, he is ok with his accuracy in the 5-15 yard range. But unfortunately, he often still throws when he isn't set and it shows.
Statorama
Footballguy
My three observations from this game:
The Patriot defenders play like there is no illegal contact with receivers beyond 10 yards on every play. Teams need to get over it and stop letting that non-call get them frustrated. It's what they've been doing since they beat the Rams in the Superbowl, it's what they did to beat the Colts, it's what they're going to keep on doing. The refs can't call it on every play, so they do what they do. Teams just need to realize it's going to happen and push forward. The Bears were clearly put off by several of these non-calls.
Rex Grossman just isn't very good. He's clearly been exposed in the last few games. He's not going to suddenly become "better" once the playoffs roll around and he's facing a playoff caliber defense.
Thomas Jones figured out at halftime if he didn't start making some plays, the young bull Cedric Benson was going to walk away with his job. Benson ran with authority today, and had some of the best runs I've seen in his young career.
The Patriot defenders play like there is no illegal contact with receivers beyond 10 yards on every play. Teams need to get over it and stop letting that non-call get them frustrated. It's what they've been doing since they beat the Rams in the Superbowl, it's what they did to beat the Colts, it's what they're going to keep on doing. The refs can't call it on every play, so they do what they do. Teams just need to realize it's going to happen and push forward. The Bears were clearly put off by several of these non-calls.
Rex Grossman just isn't very good. He's clearly been exposed in the last few games. He's not going to suddenly become "better" once the playoffs roll around and he's facing a playoff caliber defense.
Thomas Jones figured out at halftime if he didn't start making some plays, the young bull Cedric Benson was going to walk away with his job. Benson ran with authority today, and had some of the best runs I've seen in his young career.
gigantor
Footballguy
So is Rivers.Whats' your point?If they want any chance of winning the Super Bowl, put Griese in now to get the rust off..
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
LOL. It's hard for me to pin this on Grossman - he seems to be following the same gameplan the Bears have used all season. Why not throw some 10-20 yard passes? I just don't get this offense.Man alive, they paid the refs in the first half, and Grossman in the second half.Nice victory guys.
spork
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That and he's a Spurrier-era QB meaning he's massively overrated and not much more than the product of a system
Capella
Footballguy
Yes, but technically, he is ####ing awful and technically, you guys would have a chance with a QB who was average.
That's only fitting.
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
It's all over the top homerism during the game with me. And I hope Junior Seau isn't hurt too badly. Hopefully he can come back and contribute in the playoffs.
-X-
Footballguy
Hats off to the Pats and their fans, they made the plays when it counted. A boneheaded decision by Smith (timeout right before the FG miss by Gostkowski) could have changed the outcome of the game.
It was a great game to watch and even though my team lost, I think the Bears showed that they can hang with any team and will have a good chance to represent the NFC in Miami.
Grossman needs to stop going for the big score, he had plenty of time to throw intermediate passes and even run the ball with 1:52 left.
It was a great game to watch and even though my team lost, I think the Bears showed that they can hang with any team and will have a good chance to represent the NFC in Miami.
Grossman needs to stop going for the big score, he had plenty of time to throw intermediate passes and even run the ball with 1:52 left.
I disagree but whatever. They need to throw the short/middle passes instead of trying to take a shot on every ####### down. He has shown flashes of being a great QB and he has shown flashes of being ####### terrible.
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
That's pretty much what all the Chicago beat writers were saying this offseason. The defense is great, they just need the offense to approach 'average' (as they've been near the bottom the past two years). I think they fell in love with Grossman during the first month, as there is NO pressure whatsoever from the media to let Griese play - as Grossman has shown flashes of brilliance.I think they should have run the ball more in the 2nd half though. They were having success, so why switch to this home run bomb nonsense?
bostonfred
Footballguy
Statorama
Footballguy
If he keeps playing like this, it should be his last (as a starter).This Bears team is a Superbowl team. They shouldn't worry about Grossman's feelings and start worrying about the playoffs. The throws that Grossman missed badly on are the type of passes that Griese excels at. Either work the offense to Grossmans strengths or sit him down.This Bears team, in spite of all the other parts being Superbowl bound, will not win a playoff game with Rex Grossman at the helm.
bostonfred
Footballguy
The Patriots were doing it too, and they had the lead. It seemed like awful offensive play calling on both sides.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
Seriously, Brian Griese is not the answer. He's probably a more experience well rounded QB than Grossman, but that guy makes the worst throws when the pressure is on.
GrossmanToBerrian
Footballguy
The worst thing Grossman did this year was play well early. He got everybody's hopes up and now he can't deliver. The Bears have got to stop thinking he can win games like he did early in the year.
Mr Anonymous
Footballguy
I keep hearing this from Bear's fans. Enough already. First of all, he has now started 18 NFL games so no technically it's not. Secondly, this is his 4th year in the league. He knows the playbook and he's seen enough film and game action to know what's going on out there. Thirdly, Phillip Rivers has been in the league three years and has started only 11 games. He doesn't seem to need excuses.Face it Bears fans. Grossman is a chucker in the mold of Favre without the height, durability, accuracy, and less of an arm. Being barely 6 foot really hurts this guy in the pocket seeing the field but the irony is, either he or the Bears if not both, are dead set against the one thing that might help him and that is the shotgun.
Statorama
Footballguy
Dead on assessment of Grossman. The shotgun thing is all on Olen Kruetz, the center. He doesn't feel comfortable doing it, so the coaches go with that since he's a pro bowler.
protoslacker
Footballguy
Grossman=Sybil w/ only 2 personalities
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
Dude is a beast.Hopefully JaMarcus Russell falls to the Bears in next years draft (he'll come out this year):LSU:
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
I agree that Grossman has Favre's gambler mentality. Unfortunately he doesn't have his mobility, arm strength, savvy or durability.
Seeing as the best QB in Bears history was Sid Luckman - 99.9% of Bears fans are elated with Rex - but I'm sure they'll be calling for his head after 'loss two' of the 11 game old season.
You gotta take the downs with the ups, and hope he learns from his mistakes. So far.. not the case.
Seeing as the best QB in Bears history was Sid Luckman - 99.9% of Bears fans are elated with Rex - but I'm sure they'll be calling for his head after 'loss two' of the 11 game old season.
You gotta take the downs with the ups, and hope he learns from his mistakes. So far.. not the case.
GrossmanToBerrian
Footballguy
The Bears will draft 2 DTs in a row again.Hopefully JaMarcus Russell falls to the Bears in next years draft (he'll come out this year):LSU:
Exactly, Bears are 9-2 and are in front of their division by a bunch. But Rex has to learn from his mistakes, mainly throwing the ball up for grabs. Turner deserves some of the blame for the play calling, but Rex needs to get his #### together.
Mr Anonymous
Footballguy
That's the thing though, Grossman is seriously lacking in some very important tools. He has yet to show any real level of accuracy and given his height, gambler mentality, and immobility I don't think you can expect the guy to ever be the engine that drives an offense. The Bears need to utilize the QB position the way the Steelers did with Big Ben, the Ravens did with Dilfer, the way the Broncos did with Elway in his first Super Bowl win. Win with defense and a running game. And if Grossman is ill suited for that syle of play, then Griese just might be a better fit.
scott72
Footballguy
We sure think so in Badger country..
PatytonsGhost
Footballguy
Turners playcalling has been questionable all year and in a way i feel that he contributes to Rex turnovers by calling dumb passing plays. For example towards the end of the 4th quarter after the Bears just forced a turnover with around 2 min Turner decides to call a 50 yard bomb on the first play.Run the 2 minute offensive dammit in that situation
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RBM
Footballguy
Exactly. Why do something so risky in that spot? StupidHow bout after the 2nd Tillman pick and we had good field position. 3 and out on 3 stupid passing plays, when we were running well all day. Just stupid
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
That early season streak was dependent on Grossman. Without his early season play, we'd be looking at a 7-4, 6-5 team (edit to add or, I guess more accurately, a 8-4, 7-5 team). The Bears got up early on folks, predominately b/c of Grossman, and then let the D take over. Without Grossman, there would have been a lot more games like the Jets' game, or the Cards game, or the Dolphins game. Two wins, one loss, but all three games were contested througout.The Bears also benefit from playing in the NFC North - unfortunately, it'll also be their detriment. After they clinch the division inthe next few weeks, they will have an inevitable emotional let down.Four reasons the Bears won't be in the Bowl:1) peaked too early2) will lose any momentum after they clinch home field (see: the Colts)3) Rex4) GrossmanI believe either the Panthers or the Cowboys could go into Chicago and *destroy* the Bears. The Panthers couldn't get it done today, but they will make the playoffs. (IMO) the Panthers are the most dangerous team in the entire playoffs due to their experience and due to their recent history of beating both Lovie and Parcells in the playoffs.
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Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Grossman, pure and simple, is still learning the game - he is not yet a team leader. W/O a team leader at QB, the Bears have no chance of getting to the Bowl.
I agree with your assessments on Rex. He has won some games but he has also put his team in some bad situations to lose. The D bailed him out in Arizona and against Miami he was just bad. I also agree with the fact that they play in a lousy division, but that isn't their fault. I do think they have enough time to figure out what is going on with the playcalling and Rex's decisions before the playoffs. The road to the Super Bowl goes through Chicago, yet another advantage that the Bears have working for them.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Is it Grossman who is calling the long bombs all the time or the offensive coordinator? The Bears really don't seem to do much short to intermediate passing. It seems to be run - run - heave, or heave - run - heave, or ....
My friggin Pats need to stop with the turnovers already. We're lucky to have won this game. Highlight of the game was the Benny Hill music synopsis of all the turnovers.
My friggin Pats need to stop with the turnovers already. We're lucky to have won this game. Highlight of the game was the Benny Hill music synopsis of all the turnovers.
Battersbox
Footballguy
Do we know for a fact that this was Turner's call? I'm quite sure that Rex had other receivers running routes on that play, who's to say that the deep man was the "hot" route? I'm guessing it
wasn't. He's done this all year. He doesn't check down. If there is a deep route included in the play,
he gets excited and takes it. Berrian and Davis are great weapons to stretch the D, but Rex needs
to understand that they can be decoys that don't need to be thrown to every damn time. I put
this all on Rex.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Captain Blowhard
Footballguy
I heave watching Grossman play..... watch rex play - run and heave - heave - heave
How many more years are people going to claim Rex is still technically a rookie? Let me ask you this, how many rookies have played in 18 regular season games, 1 playoff game, and had 4 training camps? STOP MAKING THIS STUPID CLAIM. There are a number of other starting QBs in the league with a much better claim at this, and fortunately people arent smart enough to make it. You're only a virgin once, you're only a rookie your first year in the league. That Tony Romo kid hadn't throw a pass in an NFL game until less than 2 months ago. He seems to be getting on fine without all the excuses.To his credit, you dont here Grossman himself making these kind of silly claims.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
His inexperience is NO excuse. His bad decisions and bad throws have nada darned thing to do with his lack of experience - and evrything to do with bad throws and bad decisions. Jake Plummer's no rookie and the two players are making similarly bad decisions.And "technically" he is in his FOURTH SEASON - he has played regular season snaps every single year he's been in the league.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
It's not like they are running one receiver go routes. He goes deep anytime he can, just like Jeff George used to. That's why I call him Jeff George now, or QB One Trick.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
What an ugly game. Does the fact that those are supposedly two of the NFL's best teams say something about the overall quality of play in the NFL right now? Yes, it was just one game, but when you think about how ugly all of the best teams have looked for a good part of this season, it makes sense.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
These two teams played an ugly game - there have been some GREAT games between good teams, too.
Workhorse
Footballguy
I'm just curious if people think that turnovers necessarily = ugly game. Many of the Bear turnovers were ugly but most of the Pats turnovers were the result of some pretty heady defensive plays by the Bears -- The strip fumbles, the jarring hit on Watson that popped up the INT - Those are jsut good defensive plays.
There was a lot of hitting going on in that game -- Good smashmouth football. The only really ugly part of the game IMO was Rex the Wonder Dog.
There was a lot of hitting going on in that game -- Good smashmouth football. The only really ugly part of the game IMO was Rex the Wonder Dog.
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