Game Thread W14 - Atlanta V Tampa Bay (1 Viewer)

[rhawkins68]

That's the first Red-Zone INT the Bucs have gotten all year. Nice work, Falcons!

That pick was all on Lelie.

I just saw the replay. Where can I get a set of blinders like that?

Just out of curiosity, did you see Lelie even try to make a play on the for ball? Or did you see Lelie just quit running & stand there to admire Buchanon make the pick like I did?Just want to make sure we saw the same thing on that pick.

And where does that make it "all on Lelie?"No, he didn't go for it and might have been able to tip the ball. That doesn't mean that the placement of a pass where only the defender can make a play on it is completely excusable.

Buchanon was the only one with a chance at that pass. That makes it not all on Lelie, even though he didn't go up for the uncatchable pass.

He ran the wrong route to begin with as the announcers mentioned & then commited the cardinal sin of giving up on it.As I said, that was 100% on Lelie.

And as I'm typing Knapp's play calling of always passing when Griffith is the lone back, results in a TD rush for Griffith.

Fooled not only Tampa, but me too.

How do you know he ran the wrong route?

How do you know he didn't?

I don't recall saying he didn't. I asked you a simple question.How do you know he ran the wrong route?

As mentioned in the post you quoted when asking the question, Announcers called it. Also sideline close ups of Vick talking to Lelie and using hand motions of how he should've run the route & then Knapp talking to Lelie, all the while Lelie hanging his head. Why did you ask? From what you saw, did you think he ran the right route?

How did the announcers know. I guess we could assume they have the play book and all call and audibles are relayed to them. They have about the same idea as you do.Vick could easily have been saying this is what i was expecting. Doesn't mean Lelie ran the wrong route.

Lelie could be hanging his head because he knows it's his fault regardless. They get no slack.

Basically, you have no hard information on if he ran the wrong route or not. Just making assumptions.

 

[rhawkins68]

rhawkins68? From what you saw, what led you to believe Lelie ran the right route?

Not the question. Just checking to see why you thought it was all on Lelie. You stated he ran the wrong route. I wanted to know how you knew that.

 

[Shlon]

I know that route because I've watched all the Falcons game since Mora became HC & Knapp became OC. That ball is thrown to the back corner to Finneran, so Lelie ran the wrong route & gave up. Finneran in the past if he couldn't catch it would at least make the effort to break the pass up.

 

[Big Score]

How did the announcers know. I guess we could assume they have the play book and all call and audibles are relayed to them. They have about the same idea as you do.Vick could easily have been saying this is what i was expecting. Doesn't mean Lelie ran the wrong route.Lelie could be hanging his head because he knows it's his fault regardless. They get no slack.Basically, you have no hard information on if he ran the wrong route or not. Just making assumptions.

Could be Lelie ran the right route I guess....but if I were a betting man, I wouldn't want to lay money on it. Between the announcers mentioning it, (they're in the booth & have the advantage of seeing the entire field & what's going on, not just the camera angle we get) Lelie hanging his head when both Vick & Knapp talked to him & later another sideline shot of the WR's Coach talking to Vick, I'd say it's about a 99.9% probability that Lelie ran the wrong route & a .01% chance he ran the right route.

 

[rhawkins68]

Between the announcers mentioning it, (they're in the booth & have the advantage of seeing the entire field & what's going on, not just the camera angle we get) Lelie hanging his head when both Vick & Knapp talked to him & later another sideline shot of the WR's Coach talking to Vick, I'd say it's about a 99.9% probability that Lelie ran the wrong route & a .01% chance he ran the right route.

How does the angle you are viewing from make it easier to know if a WR ran the right route? You could be right about the coaches but there is no way to tell until they tell us. Doesn't matter where you are watching from or how much of the field you can see.

Edit: Gonna drop this since it doesn't really have anything to do with Vick or the falcons. Just a small thing that bothers me.

 

[my man otis]

Between the announcers mentioning it, (they're in the booth & have the advantage of seeing the entire field & what's going on, not just the camera angle we get) Lelie hanging his head when both Vick & Knapp talked to him & later another sideline shot of the WR's Coach talking to Vick, I'd say it's about a 99.9% probability that Lelie ran the wrong route & a .01% chance he ran the right route.

How does the angle you are viewing from make it easier to know if a WR ran the right route? You could be right about the coaches but there is no way to tell until they tell us. Doesn't matter where you are watching from or how much of the field you can see.

Edit: Gonna drop this since it doesn't really have anything to do with Vick or the falcons. Just a small thing that bothers me.

he's making an educated guess, obviously.

 

[Big Score]

Just checking to see why you thought it was all on Lelie. You stated he ran the wrong route. I wanted to know how you knew that.

See my post directly above & what Shlon had to say about it. Besides Lelie running the route, he also gave up on the play.But I know from posts you make in previous threads, that you have preconcieved notions you have a hard time letting go of, so I'm not going to argue with you about a play you didn't even see. Kind of pointless. You think whatever you want to think & we'll leave it at that, Ok?

 

[Big Score]

Between the announcers mentioning it, (they're in the booth & have the advantage of seeing the entire field & what's going on, not just the camera angle we get) Lelie hanging his head when both Vick & Knapp talked to him & later another sideline shot of the WR's Coach talking to Vick, I'd say it's about a 99.9% probability that Lelie ran the wrong route & a .01% chance he ran the right route.

How does the angle you are viewing from make it easier to know if a WR ran the right route?

We can only see what the camera is focused on. We can't see how the other players & coaches are reacting. The announcers can.

 

[Big Score]

Between the announcers mentioning it, (they're in the booth & have the advantage of seeing the entire field & what's going on, not just the camera angle we get) Lelie hanging his head when both Vick & Knapp talked to him & later another sideline shot of the WR's Coach talking to Vick, I'd say it's about a 99.9% probability that Lelie ran the wrong route & a .01% chance he ran the right route.

How does the angle you are viewing from make it easier to know if a WR ran the right route? You could be right about the coaches but there is no way to tell until they tell us. Doesn't matter where you are watching from or how much of the field you can see.

Edit: Gonna drop this since it doesn't really have anything to do with Vick or the falcons. Just a small thing that bothers me.

Shlon also pointed out to you that the route is never run the way Lelie did, but as I said, you think what you want to think about a play you didn't even see, because no matter what anybody says, you're going to anyway. No skin off my nose brother