Game Thread W2 - Pittsburgh V Cleveland (1 Viewer)

[kaa]

It is unacceptable to open year 4 at 0-2 and have ZERO playoff appearances. It doesn't take THAT long to build a competitive team. START WINNING GAMES ROMEO. 0-7 against the Steelers is ridiculous.

Yeah, but the Browns are 3-17 overall since the rebirth, and they actually started 2-1. So that's one win out of the past 17 games against the Steelers. It's not just Romeo.

There is not a single person in the coaching ranks or management from 1999 that is here today. Even the ownership changed hands because Al Lerner died.

 

[ThePittbully]

wow, that was ugly

 

[Tecumseh]

Agree to disagree. The defense failed to stop them. If they hold to 3 and out they have roughly 2 minutes to drive for a winning touchdown, rather than the tie.

 

[kaa]

There are 2 ways to look at this game. 1. The Browns were terrible. DA didn't play well. The game was NOT managed well. DBs gave up big plays at the wrong time. The list could go on and on.2. The Browns played terrible and barely lost to (probably) a pretty solid team. If they can improve game management and BE starts catching the ball, they still have a shot this year.

3. The Browns must win @ Baltimore or they are 0-3.

 

[glen5839]

Big Ben refusing to answer any questions about the shoulder.

 

[fred_1_15301]

LOL @ Ben's interview after the game..........

 

[W1cked]

So how is Ben's shoulder?

 

[The Jerk]

Its only week 2 but you have to wonder if the Browns' season rests on these final 26 seconds.

The season's not over. The Steelers still face a tougher overall schedule, and there are so many twists and turns that can occur. What it probably DOES mean is that for the Browns to win the division they will need to win at Pittsburgh in the season finale. A Steelers sweep would obviously give them the same tiebreaker they had last year.Bottom line is that the Steelers could easily lose to the Cowboys (at Pittsburgh), making a Browns win in Pittsburgh make up for both of Cleveland's losses so far.

 

[glen5839]

So how is Ben's shoulder?

Offensive line did a great job blocking for me, I'm going to go congratulate them.

 

[The Jerk]

It is unacceptable to open year 4 at 0-2 and have ZERO playoff appearances. It doesn't take THAT long to build a competitive team. START WINNING GAMES ROMEO. 0-7 against the Steelers is ridiculous.

Yeah, but the Browns are 3-17 overall since the rebirth, and they actually started 2-1. So that's one win out of the past 17 games against the Steelers. It's not just Romeo.

There is not a single person in the coaching ranks or management from 1999 that is here today. Even the ownership changed hands because Al Lerner died.

Thanks for making my point that it is a multiperson effort that produces 16 defeats out of 17 contests versus a single opponent.

 

[Tecumseh]

Its only week 2 but you have to wonder if the Browns' season rests on these final 26 seconds.

The season's not over. The Steelers still face a tougher overall schedule, and there are so many twists and turns that can occur. What it probably DOES mean is that for the Browns to win the division they will need to win at Pittsburgh in the season finale. A Steelers sweep would obviously give them the same tiebreaker they had last year.Bottom line is that the Steelers could easily lose to the Cowboys (at Pittsburgh), making a Browns win in Pittsburgh make up for both of Cleveland's losses so far.

This is odd. Why are you being...reasonable?

 

[Charlie Harper]

Agree to disagree. The defense failed to stop them. If they hold to 3 and out they have roughly 2 minutes to drive for a winning touchdown, rather than the tie.

No. I'd like to point out exactly how wrong you were.Scenario 1: Browns go for it and score a TD. Game tied and what happens after that is irrelevantScenario 2: Browns do not convert and turnover on downs. Pittsburgh gets the ball on the 20 and the Browns D has 3 timeouts with a chance to get the ball back with about 2 minutes left.Scenario 3: Browns kick a FG. Kickoff to Pittsburgh and have their 3 timeouts to stop them but still need a TD to score. On average PIT will start with the ball on their 20.Scenarios 2 and 3 are identical except scenario 2 give the Browns a chance to score before relying on their D.

 

[Kosar]

I may sound like a homer, but I don't really give a ####. This game was clearly lost by the Browns coaching staff. The Browns failed to convert on two golden opportunities for TD's, but the clock management in this game absolutely buried them. I've been defending Romeo for a long time, but I've had it. He's got to go.

That being said, I thought for sure 0-2 would be the end of the season. But truthfully, they really only need to make up on game on the Steelers. You HAVE to win week 17 against them (on the road, of course, AAARRGHHHH), and hope for a better conference record.

But that's a TALL ORDER, especially with this coaching staff and a one-year-wonder #1 receiver.

And my God, K2 is a player Extend that contract at all costs.

#### this.

 

[kaa]

It is unacceptable to open year 4 at 0-2 and have ZERO playoff appearances. It doesn't take THAT long to build a competitive team. START WINNING GAMES ROMEO. 0-7 against the Steelers is ridiculous.

Yeah, but the Browns are 3-17 overall since the rebirth, and they actually started 2-1. So that's one win out of the past 17 games against the Steelers. It's not just Romeo.

There is not a single person in the coaching ranks or management from 1999 that is here today. Even the ownership changed hands because Al Lerner died.

Thanks for making my point that it is a multiperson effort that produces 16 defeats out of 17 contests versus a single opponent.

I never disagreed with that.

 

[The Jerk]

Its only week 2 but you have to wonder if the Browns' season rests on these final 26 seconds.

The season's not over. The Steelers still face a tougher overall schedule, and there are so many twists and turns that can occur. What it probably DOES mean is that for the Browns to win the division they will need to win at Pittsburgh in the season finale. A Steelers sweep would obviously give them the same tiebreaker they had last year.Bottom line is that the Steelers could easily lose to the Cowboys (at Pittsburgh), making a Browns win in Pittsburgh make up for both of Cleveland's losses so far.

This is odd. Why are you being...reasonable?

Because I ; I'm a lifelong Steelers fan, I just feel like being nice to Browns fans tonight. And most importantly, it's the truth.

 

[kaa]

Its only week 2 but you have to wonder if the Browns' season rests on these final 26 seconds.

The season's not over. The Steelers still face a tougher overall schedule, and there are so many twists and turns that can occur. What it probably DOES mean is that for the Browns to win the division they will need to win at Pittsburgh in the season finale. A Steelers sweep would obviously give them the same tiebreaker they had last year.Bottom line is that the Steelers could easily lose to the Cowboys (at Pittsburgh), making a Browns win in Pittsburgh make up for both of Cleveland's losses so far.

Absolutely. At the same time, the Browns have their back against the wall. Week 3 is now a real character check. If team morale collapses after this loss, and they lay an egg against the Ravens, it probably doesn't matter what happens in week 17.

 

[Tecumseh]

Agree to disagree. The defense failed to stop them. If they hold to 3 and out they have roughly 2 minutes to drive for a winning touchdown, rather than the tie.

No. I'd like to point out exactly how wrong you were.Scenario 1: Browns go for it and score a TD. Game tied and what happens after that is irrelevant.

Scenario 2: Browns do not convert and turnover on downs. Pittsburgh gets the ball on the 20 and the Browns D has 3 timeouts with a chance to get the ball back with about 2 minutes left.

Scenario 3: Browns kick a FG. Kickoff to Pittsburgh and have their 3 timeouts to stop them but still need a TD to scorewin. On average PIT will start with the ball on their 20.

Scenarios 2 and 3 are identical except scenario 2 give the Browns a chance to score before relying on their D.

They are not identical. They have a better chance of winning with the other 3 points on the board. And they did score before relying on the D, which is precisely the point.

 

[Kosar]

Agree to disagree. The defense failed to stop them. If they hold to 3 and out they have roughly 2 minutes to drive for a winning touchdown, rather than the tie.

No. I'd like to point out exactly how wrong you were.Scenario 1: Browns go for it and score a TD. Game tied and what happens after that is irrelevantScenario 2: Browns do not convert and turnover on downs. Pittsburgh gets the ball on the 20 and the Browns D has 3 timeouts with a chance to get the ball back with about 2 minutes left.Scenario 3: Browns kick a FG. Kickoff to Pittsburgh and have their 3 timeouts to stop them but still need a TD to score. On average PIT will start with the ball on their 20.Scenarios 2 and 3 are identical except scenario 2 give the Browns a chance to score before relying on their D.

I do agree that going for it was just the same, but the FG wasn't exactly incorrect.Put it this way. If the FG debacle didn't happen last week against Dallas, you don't hear the booing tonight for the FG, and it isn't looked at with a microscope as it is now.

 

[Tecumseh]

Its only week 2 but you have to wonder if the Browns' season rests on these final 26 seconds.

The season's not over. The Steelers still face a tougher overall schedule, and there are so many twists and turns that can occur. What it probably DOES mean is that for the Browns to win the division they will need to win at Pittsburgh in the season finale. A Steelers sweep would obviously give them the same tiebreaker they had last year.Bottom line is that the Steelers could easily lose to the Cowboys (at Pittsburgh), making a Browns win in Pittsburgh make up for both of Cleveland's losses so far.

This is odd. Why are you being...reasonable?

Because I ; I'm a lifelong Steelers fan, I just feel like being nice to Browns fans tonight. And most importantly, it's the truth.

 

[Charlie Harper]

Agree to disagree. The defense failed to stop them. If they hold to 3 and out they have roughly 2 minutes to drive for a winning touchdown, rather than the tie.

No. I'd like to point out exactly how wrong you were.Scenario 1: Browns go for it and score a TD. Game tied and what happens after that is irrelevantScenario 2: Browns do not convert and turnover on downs. Pittsburgh gets the ball on the 20 and the Browns D has 3 timeouts with a chance to get the ball back with about 2 minutes left.Scenario 3: Browns kick a FG. Kickoff to Pittsburgh and have their 3 timeouts to stop them but still need a TD to score. On average PIT will start with the ball on their 20.Scenarios 2 and 3 are identical except scenario 2 give the Browns a chance to score before relying on their D.

I do agree that going for it was just the same, but the FG wasn't exactly incorrect.Put it this way. If the FG debacle didn't happen last week against Dallas, you don't hear the booing tonight for the FG, and it isn't looked at with a microscope as it is now.

Coaching decision like this are my biggest pet peeve of football. I'd be all over him for this decision either which way.

 

[Tecumseh]

BTW, the FG covered the spread. IIRC, last week's FG kept the game under the total. I think it's clear that Romeo is on the take.

 

[Kosar]

Agree to disagree. The defense failed to stop them. If they hold to 3 and out they have roughly 2 minutes to drive for a winning touchdown, rather than the tie.

No. I'd like to point out exactly how wrong you were.Scenario 1: Browns go for it and score a TD. Game tied and what happens after that is irrelevantScenario 2: Browns do not convert and turnover on downs. Pittsburgh gets the ball on the 20 and the Browns D has 3 timeouts with a chance to get the ball back with about 2 minutes left.Scenario 3: Browns kick a FG. Kickoff to Pittsburgh and have their 3 timeouts to stop them but still need a TD to score. On average PIT will start with the ball on their 20.Scenarios 2 and 3 are identical except scenario 2 give the Browns a chance to score before relying on their D.

I do agree that going for it was just the same, but the FG wasn't exactly incorrect.Put it this way. If the FG debacle didn't happen last week against Dallas, you don't hear the booing tonight for the FG, and it isn't looked at with a microscope as it is now.

Coaching decision like this are my biggest pet peeve of football. I'd be all over him for this decision either which way.

I don't know. The defense played relatively well all night. It's not out of the question to tell them to get a stop and get the ball back. However, I knew they wouldn't run it 3 straight times. They never do. I knew the pass was coming, and that was the ball game after the completion to Miller.That being said, Romeo better watch it. No way he survives with continued mismanagement like this. Lerner will eat the rest of Romeo's extension, at least, I would think.

 

[Irish]

 

[Evilgrin 72]

I have a feeling Big Ben is going to be really hurting after this game. THat was a CHEAP shot he took right on the shoulder.

Fixed. I hope fat boy gets fined for that hit.. clearly late and clearly with intent to injure. No room for that kind of crap in the game. How no flag was thrown is beyond me.

 

[Godsbrother]

Al Michaels talked about a separation in Ben's throwing shoulder. Over the years the Steelers' QB has been "Brittle Ben". He has suffered numerous injuries over his career. However, the franchise has often attempted to play him even while injured, resulting in some terrible stats during those times. After his motorcycle wreck he started in week 2, only he was horrible. He racked up a concussion on top of everything else. It wasn't until months after that the franchise admitted they rushed him back. Last year Ben was suffering from the incredible beating he was taking playing behind the Steeler's porous OL. But they played him anyway in the playoff game against the Jaguars. He clearly wasn't himself and had a terrible game in a Jaguars' victory.It will be interesting to see if they have rushed him back from this shoulder injury. Will he have a terrible night? Will he suffer a new injury as he compensates for his shoulder?

Ben Roethlisberger: 12/19/186/1/0 - 113.0 ratingDerek Anderson: 18/32/166/0/2 - 44.5 ratingMaybe someone on the Browns should separate Anderson's shoulder and rush him back.

 

[Godsbrother]

There was a lot of talk in preseason about how good the Browns o-line was and how bad the Steelers o-line was.

The Steelers o-line was the better unit last night...