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Game Thread W5 - Pittsburgh V Jacksonville (1 Viewer)
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5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
Any other word on Marvel Smith aside from "cramps?"
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
Congrats to most Steeler fans. The score wasn't really indicative of the game itself. Good luck this season. I like the way your team battled.
However, from some of you, I've never seen more crying about alleged calls in my life. "That was holding". "How is that not tripping?" "There was clear holding there". "All holding allowed".
I don't know- I guess I expected more from a team that's been there.
Pretty ####### pathetic.
However, from some of you, I've never seen more crying about alleged calls in my life. "That was holding". "How is that not tripping?" "There was clear holding there". "All holding allowed".
I don't know- I guess I expected more from a team that's been there.
Pretty ####### pathetic.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
I'll take it!Steelers now own the tiebreaker vs Jags.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I couldn't believe he said that. Yeah, it only could have meant the difference between winning and losing.
the Jag Zone
Footballguy
..good thing all "Stiller" fans don't have the class you have..there's not enough room in the world for it.. I wonder if you cry like that when ya lose?...and to the point.. it was a good game..I guess Pitt was due vs Jax..
identikit
Footballguy
You should be flagged for taunting.
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
Perhaps.
identikit
Footballguy
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
If "suck it" gets this sort of reaction, I shudder to think how Jags fan react when someone is actually harsh.
Lighten up, Francis. I'm a Steeler fan living in the heart of Jags country. I've been hearing about the playoff loss for 10 months and about this game for the last couple weeks. Classy or not, I'm going to enjoy hearing them weep this week.
Lighten up, Francis. I'm a Steeler fan living in the heart of Jags country. I've been hearing about the playoff loss for 10 months and about this game for the last couple weeks. Classy or not, I'm going to enjoy hearing them weep this week.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
And to top it off... you were talking to Gerrard after a spirited rematch - of another spirited (playoff) game... not the fans.
Sheriff66
Footballguy
When the tackle is standing behind the the defender and his arm is hooked around the front of his body, impeding him from getting to the QB, that is called a hold. When the tackle is pancaked on his back by the LB, then sticks his legs in the air to knock the guy down, that is called a trip.
You're welcome...
You're welcome...
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the Jag Zone
Footballguy
:( I couldn't have said it better Myself...I have a great many friends that are Steeler Fans..been to Pitt for the games when Jax plays there.. and a high percentage are very solid and knowledgeable when it comes to their team and the game in general.. but there are always a few clowns that have absolutely no clue about the game itself.. ..like I always say.. "it is what it is".. PERIOD!PS:maybe we should have played in Pitt...we may have won in Heinz Field since that's been our home the last couple of seasons anyway..Good Luck the rest of the year...
Sheriff66
Footballguy
Exactly :(
Sheriff66
Footballguy
Shocking:( I couldn't have said it better Myself...
I have a great many friends that are Steeler Fans..
been to Pitt for the games when Jax plays there..
and a high percentage are very solid and knowledgeable when it comes to their team and the game in general..
but there are always a few clowns that have absolutely no clue about the game itself..
..like I always say.. "it is what it is"..
PERIOD!
PS:
maybe we should have played in Pitt...
we may have won in Heinz Field since that's been our home the last couple of seasons anyway..
Good Luck the rest of the year...
analog_hiss
Footballguy
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Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
Yes, and I am sure he heard it.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
#### Brady.
the Jag Zone
Footballguy
and might I add that f you have ever played the game or coached the game at a high level (or really at most levels) of competition then you know that holding along with many many other penalties could potentially be called on every play..but the fact of the matter is that it isn't... and I'll add that in nearly all cases throughout the course of a game it most always evens out.. and just some food for thought..I'm guessing most real NFL fans also know that Ron Winters' crew is regularly one of the most "flag happy" crews in the League.. and as most that watched the game I'm certain saw that tonite wasn't much different..
yinzer
Footballguy
So do we finally get respect in the AFC now since BUF lost to ARZ, TEN squeaked out a game vs. the very same team we beat last week, SD loses to MIA, and DEN barely beat TB
Bout time PIT starts getting respect. Seems like everyone just keeps using the injuries as an excuse to say they arent 1 of the best teams
Bout time PIT starts getting respect. Seems like everyone just keeps using the injuries as an excuse to say they arent 1 of the best teams
Sheriff66
Footballguy
and might I add that f you have ever played the game or coached the game at a high level (or really at most levels) of competition then you know that holding along with many many other penalties could potentially be called on every play..but the fact of the matter is that it isn't... and I'll add that in nearly all cases throughout the course of a game it most always evens out.. and just some food for thought..I'm guessing most real NFL fans also know that Ron Winters' crew is regularly one of the most "flag happy" crews in the League.. and as most that watched the game I'm certain saw that tonite wasn't much different..
We all wish we were as smart as you, and real football fans like you too... 
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
I don't have an issue with your "suck it" comment. You're a fan, that's what you're supposed to do.It's the whining that strikes me as non-Steeler.
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CrossEyed
Footballguy
Big win before the bye. Ben is amazing. MeMo did a great job when the Steelers needed him. Will be good to get some guys some rest and get FWP back in the lineup.
I haven't read the whole thread, but I thought this was a really poorly officiated game. The late hit on Harrison was a terrible call. But then the refs turned around and missed an obvious holding call against the Steelers on a big play late in the 4th quarter. And I thought there were other bad calls on both sides throughout the game. Officiating has been really bad this year, IMO.
I haven't read the whole thread, but I thought this was a really poorly officiated game. The late hit on Harrison was a terrible call. But then the refs turned around and missed an obvious holding call against the Steelers on a big play late in the 4th quarter. And I thought there were other bad calls on both sides throughout the game. Officiating has been really bad this year, IMO.
the Jag Zone
Footballguy
they should be noticed.. their Defense is playing at a championship level..although..losing to a Philly team that now is looking a li'l more ordinary and beating Hou Cle Balt & Jax really doesn't stand as beating the cream of the crop to this point... and actually other than your Def creating a score, the Ravens pretty much had the game in control.. so I'm sure there will still be doubters.. at least until ya play the Giants and visit the 'Skins..
the Jag Zone
Footballguy
and might I add that f you have ever played the game or coached the game at a high level (or really at most levels) of competition then you know that holding along with many many other penalties could potentially be called on every play..but the fact of the matter is that it isn't... and I'll add that in nearly all cases throughout the course of a game it most always evens out.. and just some food for thought..I'm guessing most real NFL fans also know that Ron Winters' crew is regularly one of the most "flag happy" crews in the League.. and as most that watched the game I'm certain saw that tonite wasn't much different..
of course you do..but most always have to drink their home team "Kool Aid" rather than be objective about these things..Good Luck to your team the rest of the way.. 
by_the_sea_wannabe
:sj:
No cream in the AFC at the moment. NFC is at the moment the dominant conference.Great win tonight though
Dragon1952
Footballguy
The Steelers overcame 4 pretty lame and possibly game changing penalties and still won by 5.
1) Interference in the endzone - yeah, maybe interference as far as the way the call is defined (which is bull####) but no way Matt Jones catches the pass anyway. The hand to the shoulder occurs as the pass is directly overhead and does not slow him down in the least. The pass is 3 ft overthrown and never had a chance to be completed. Result - 7 free points for the Jags. You cannot assume a completion in that circumstance. At worst, it ought to be like the college rule and a 15 yd penalty. That penalty is bull####.
2) Taunting? give me a freakin' break. That's all I have to say. He held the ball out. Big freakin' deal. Why should that potentially decide the game?
3) Late hit on Garrard? You couldn't even finish one-thousand one before he got hit. Maybe one-thou... That was a bam-bam play and absolutely a pathetic call that could potentially have decided the game. Also, what about the double pump? How is a defender supposed to know the move to throw isn't a double pump? In this case it didn't matter because it was a great play that got penalized and was not late by any logical definition.
4) Personal foul on the hit on the receiver? - Sometimes the officials don't seem to have a clue as to the speed of the game. That defender committed to the hit way before he could have possibly known the result of the play. Bam-bam.
It's absolutely sickening how ####ified the NFL has become. Great plays are being penalized and the results are often-times deciding the outcomes of games.
1) Interference in the endzone - yeah, maybe interference as far as the way the call is defined (which is bull####) but no way Matt Jones catches the pass anyway. The hand to the shoulder occurs as the pass is directly overhead and does not slow him down in the least. The pass is 3 ft overthrown and never had a chance to be completed. Result - 7 free points for the Jags. You cannot assume a completion in that circumstance. At worst, it ought to be like the college rule and a 15 yd penalty. That penalty is bull####.
2) Taunting? give me a freakin' break. That's all I have to say. He held the ball out. Big freakin' deal. Why should that potentially decide the game?
3) Late hit on Garrard? You couldn't even finish one-thousand one before he got hit. Maybe one-thou... That was a bam-bam play and absolutely a pathetic call that could potentially have decided the game. Also, what about the double pump? How is a defender supposed to know the move to throw isn't a double pump? In this case it didn't matter because it was a great play that got penalized and was not late by any logical definition.
4) Personal foul on the hit on the receiver? - Sometimes the officials don't seem to have a clue as to the speed of the game. That defender committed to the hit way before he could have possibly known the result of the play. Bam-bam.
It's absolutely sickening how ####ified the NFL has become. Great plays are being penalized and the results are often-times deciding the outcomes of games.
timschochet
Footballguy
Wow, we finally beat the Jaguars!
Another tough physical game. You gotta love Big Ben. As tough as nails.
One thing though, I wonder how bad the injury is to Marvel Smith. Of all the injuries suffered so far, this one could still be the worst. As bad as the offensive line has been at times this year, I still remember that horror of horrors season of 2003 when Smith was gone all year. So I hope he's OK.
Another tough physical game. You gotta love Big Ben. As tough as nails.
One thing though, I wonder how bad the injury is to Marvel Smith. Of all the injuries suffered so far, this one could still be the worst. As bad as the offensive line has been at times this year, I still remember that horror of horrors season of 2003 when Smith was gone all year. So I hope he's OK.
bryhamm
Footballguy
First, let me state that I am a Steelers fan. Now, on to your points1) I disagree. Just like we fans (some of us) claimed that the SEA receiver had offensive PI in the Super Bowl, this was the same thing. He had his hands on the guy before the ball got there. That's PI regardless of whether you thought he could catch the ball.2) That was taunting. You don't show the ball to the other bench like that. Is it really that big of a deal ... no. But it is taunting.3) 100% agree. The ball had barely left his hand at the time of the hit.4) You can't hit a defenseless WR. Not sure if it was possible for him to physically avoid the receiver, but it was the right call according to the rules.
joffer
Footballguy
3) is the only one i agree with
Dragon1952
Footballguy
The point in #1 wasn't that it shouldn't have been called a penalty per the rules. The point is that the rule sucks. The rule shouldn't be that you assume that the pass would have been completed so you give the team 7 free points (basically) by placing the ball on the 1 yard line. Sometimes the pass may have been completed, sometimes it may not have. In this case, it was one of the ones that wouldn't have been. So why award the team 7 free pts? Bottom line is, Jax was awarded 7 free pts for a pass that had no chance of being completed. That rule doesn't bother anyone?#2 taunting , the rule is bull####. Why should that potentially decide a game? I mean, come on now! The teams play their hearts out for 60 minutes and we watch for 60 minutes with our hearts being torn out and it's OK for an act like that to potentially decide the outcome of the game? What's the point?
#4...that hit on the receiver was exactly the same as #3, the hit on the QB...bam.bam.....a great play that was penalized and could have potentially decided the outcome of the game.
Personally, I don't want to watch a great battle for 60 minutes and then have it decided on bull####, regardless of which team it involves. I swear, one of these days it''ll turn into flag football.
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apalmer
Footballguy
You may need a better sound system. The chant is "Here we go Steelers, here we go!"
Godsbrother
Footballguy
The only call I thought was bad was the roughing the passer call against Harrison. Garrard had only released the ball a split second before he got there and it would have been impossible for him to stop. The hit itself was clean.
The PI call was correct as it WAS PI. Jones probably wouldn't have caught it if Taylor didn't interfere but the ball was close enough that he might have been able to pull it in. That was 100% the right call by the ref.
The taunting calls (on both sides) were a bit silly but the players have got to be smarter.
Overall I didn't think it was a badly ref'ed game.
The PI call was correct as it WAS PI. Jones probably wouldn't have caught it if Taylor didn't interfere but the ball was close enough that he might have been able to pull it in. That was 100% the right call by the ref.
The taunting calls (on both sides) were a bit silly but the players have got to be smarter.
Overall I didn't think it was a badly ref'ed game.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
...........Come on dude.......take those homer glasses off.
Steeler
Footballguy
This is the only relevant part of your post.
Sheriff66
Footballguy
Agreed, out of the 4 you mention, only #3 I had an issue with. Their were a few other calls that were missed that I thought were pretty bad, but your examples are not real good. We got a W, that's all that matters in the end.
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the Jag Zone
Footballguy
I've definitely seen worse not called.. the timing of the hit was good.. like you said Garrard had just released the ball...I think if you look at it the reason the call was made was Harrisons head was down as he made contact...you may get that call 50% of the time for that very reason.. and as mentioned earlier.. with Winters' crew officiating the game..many of the borderline calls will be made.. they may be the most flag happy officiating crew in the NFL...
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Agreed, out of the 4 you mention, only #3 I had an issue with. Their were a few other calls that were missed that I thought were pretty bad, but your examples are not real good. We got a W, that's all that matters in the end............Come on dude.......take those homer glasses off.
......The important thing is we got the win. The upcoming bye and extra week for Ben and the boys to get healthy is so big right now. They are really beat up and the bye couldn't have come at a better time. I think the afc north is atrocious this year so I'm confident the Steelers run away with the division. Given how weak the entire conference is, I'm not so sure the Steelers aren't a realistic contender this year. They're probably more balanced than most other teams in the AFC. Should be a fun season.......
Sheriff66
Footballguy
As long as Ben stays healthyAgreed, out of the 4 you mention, only #3 I had an issue with. Their were a few other calls that were missed that I thought were pretty bad, but your examples are not real good. We got a W, that's all that matters in the end............Come on dude.......take those homer glasses off.
CrossEyed
Footballguy
I disagree with the taunting call. If you watch the replay there was a coach on the sideline signaling no catch as Nate came down with the ball. He saw that and showed the coach the ball. How is that taunting?
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
Body language is only half of it. You don't know what (or if) he yelled. I don't either. Nate> ####, hand the ball to the ref and go back to the huddle.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I'll have to watch it again. It looked to me like a standard every day kind of hit. Certainly nothing that should have drawn a flag. This is what Harrison said about it:
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Who cares what the Jags coach was signaling? Nate should have just handed the ball to the ref. I think it was a pretty weak taunt but that is what he was doing.
CrossEyed
Footballguy
Good point. But you don't think those guys are out there talking smack on a regular basis? I think short of something that obviously can be seen as taunting by everyone they just need to leave the flag in their pockets on stuff like that.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
The late hit call was awful. I was at the game and even the Jags fans to my right (who were blind homers) were wondering if the call was right. The jumbotron showed the replay once and actually cut the video off right as Harrison hit Garrard. I yelled out.. "they're not showing that one again !"... and they didn't.
GREAT game to go to, though. Had Steeler fans to my left and behind me too, which was cool. We had our own little cheering section. Plus, the guy in front of me who turned around and started cooing at me.. "It's Okaaaaaay.... it's okaaaaaay" after every Jags score got mocked mercilessly by the drunk Steeler fans behind me after the game. Sweet revenge. I didn't even say anything to him, just held my Terrible Towel up at him. Only thing that sucked was that it took almost an hour to get out of the parking lot because there were quite a few "wine and cheese" Jags fans who bolted before the game was decided to beat the rush out of the lots.
GREAT game to go to, though. Had Steeler fans to my left and behind me too, which was cool. We had our own little cheering section. Plus, the guy in front of me who turned around and started cooing at me.. "It's Okaaaaaay.... it's okaaaaaay" after every Jags score got mocked mercilessly by the drunk Steeler fans behind me after the game. Sweet revenge. I didn't even say anything to him, just held my Terrible Towel up at him. Only thing that sucked was that it took almost an hour to get out of the parking lot because there were quite a few "wine and cheese" Jags fans who bolted before the game was decided to beat the rush out of the lots.
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