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Game Thread W6 - Buffalo V NY Giants (1 Viewer)

Is it just me or is Fitz slowly regressing as the season goes on?

He's still good, but his play as gotten steadily less spectacular each week.

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Fitz with his second waaaaaaay underthrown INT to Stevie down the sideline. Another bad pass.

Bills are in the unfamiliar situation of losing the turnover battle. Time to see what this defense is made of....

 
Is it just me or is Fitz slowly regressing as the season goes on?He's still good, but his play as gotten steadily less spectacular each week. :unsure:
:shrug: he's prone to these types of games, though. I think he's a good QB, but there's a reason why he's bounced around from team to team over the course of his career...
 
Is it just me or is Fitz slowly regressing as the season goes on?He's still good, but his play as gotten steadily less spectacular each week. :unsure:
:shrug: he's prone to these types of games, though. I think he's a good QB, but there's a reason why he's bounced around from team to team over the course of his career...
That's not to say that he's had an awful game, either. Two horrible throws and the Giants have made the plays.
 
Yep, Fitzpatrick is just one of those guys who's going to have an ugly int here and there. Up until now, none of his picks have been particularly costly. This one was arguably a game-loser.

 
Chan: Florence is a good nickel back, but he has no business starting, and has absolutely ZERO business covering a guy like Nicks. At this point you're better off putting McKelvin back in.

 
Oh well. Bills showed some heart and I think the game was fairly even overall. Gonna have to win games like this, though, if you want to be considered a contender.

 
4th down coming up.
This team has some major discipline issues still. Absolutely crucial possession down 3 with a minute and a half and they start with a 1st and 15 because of a false start. They were toast before they even started.Hopefully Kyle Williams and Merriman will be back to close to 100% health after the bye. This team just can't keep expecting to win games 34-31 all season.
 
Sad thing is, Fitzpatrick definitely cost them the game. Those two INTs both should have been TDs. Stevie had his man beaten on both of them and the ball was just underthrown.

And CB situation is still a disaster. Florence with a horrible day.

 
'GroveDiesel said:
Florence with a horrible day.
To the extent that it's possible for a statement like this to be an understatement, it's an understatement. Florence has been pretty solid up until today, but he had a season's worth of beat-downs all in one game. Manning and Nicks absolutely abused him all day. Disappointing.
 
I don't understand the play call or the throw on that second interception. They were in field goal range and should have tried to run down the clock as much as possible.

Webster is their best corner and clearly had tight coverage on Johnson. Really dumb to throw that up there unless you put it in a place where the defense has no chance. Seemed like a bad play call, a bad decision to throw to Stevie, and a bad throw.

 
I don't understand the play call or the throw on that second interception. They were in field goal range and should have tried to run down the clock as much as possible.Webster is their best corner and clearly had tight coverage on Johnson. Really dumb to throw that up there unless you put it in a place where the defense has no chance. Seemed like a bad play call, a bad decision to throw to Stevie, and a bad throw.
Johnson was open. If the pass is on target, he probably scores. I know this call is getting heavily second-guessed, but I liked it. With 4:00 left to go, the Giants were always getting the ball back one way or another. Kudos to Gailey for going for the TD. Jauron would have run up the middle three times, kicked the FG, and given New York the ball back with 3:00+ on the clock. If we had a shut-down defense that would be good, but I'd rather put the game in the hands of our offense than give Manning another chance to light up Drayton Florence.
 
Throwing the ball there is absolutely 100% fine. I don't want to settle for a 3pt lead with 2min's left with my crappy defense; it probably would've resulted in exactly what you saw in the Dallas-NE game. Nobody complained when we went empty backfield at midfield with 2mins left against NE (which honestly was more questionable to me even though it worked). Maybe it's just the poker player in me but I can't stand results-oriented criticism.

A lot of this game is on Fitz - the guy who said he's regressing every game is pretty much right. With the re-shuffled OL and a couple WR's missing you could give him a pass if he played a mediocre, mistake-free Cincy/Philly type of game; but there's no excuse for taking those sacks to knock us out of FG range in the 2nd Qtr, and missing Stevie on those ints. What's he going to do in our stadium in December if he can't make these throws now?

I know a couple of people have posted something to the effect of "well what did you expect, it's Fitz" and I guess that's one way to look at it. But I think a lot of fans were assuming we found our franchise guy after a few good games and I think he still think he has more to prove before we just assume we're set at that position.

This loss is bothering me more than I thought it would. I guess because I'm not that convinced the Giants are good (2 of their other wins are the Rams & Cardinals) and like the Cincy game it was just there for the taking. I think each of the next 2 games vs. Wash & NYJ are almost must-wins if we're going to think seriously about the playoffs.

Lastly, I've already seen one headline saying "this is what happens when the Bills don't get turnovers" - I think that's a pretty lame analysis. I mean, we already knew the defense stunk, and they stunk again today. We were still in a pretty good position to win this thing while on the negative end of the turnover table, and probably would've won if they were even. So they don't necessarily need a bunch of flukey tipped passes to win as long as they're not playing an elite team like the Patriots - I guess that is your glass half full perspective.

 
Well, if the defense isn't going to get turnovers, then they need to generate more pressure on the QB, get some sacks and keep the other team from moving up and down the field at will. I know the Bills don't have a lot of great pass rushers, but something has to be done scheme wise to get to the QB. This was yet ANOTHER game with zero sacks by the defense. I think they have 2 all season. :yuck:

 
Well, if the defense isn't going to get turnovers, then they need to generate more pressure on the QB, get some sacks and keep the other team from moving up and down the field at will. I know the Bills don't have a lot of great pass rushers, but something has to be done scheme wise to get to the QB. This was yet ANOTHER game with zero sacks by the defense. I think they have 2 all season. :yuck:
I hear you. It's not like an either/or though - there's usually a direct relationship between pressure and turnovers. What we've seen in previous weeks was the outlier. The run D was a bit of a disappointment too. These aren't the 2008 Giants - they couldn't run the ball on the Rams or Seahawks for God's sake.
 
I thought the run defense held up very well in the game. Giants RBs had 16 carries for 46 yards in the first half for an average of 2.9 yards per carry.

On the very last Giants drive, Bradshaw had a run for 30 yards that helped skew the numbers a little, but if you take that one play away, the Bills surrendered 93 rushing yards on 30 RB carries. When you hold a team to 3.1 yards per carry, you're doing pretty damn good.

This was also while playing with their 3rd string Nose Tackle out there for pretty much the entire game.

 
I thought the run defense held up very well in the game. Giants RBs had 16 carries for 46 yards in the first half for an average of 2.9 yards per carry.On the very last Giants drive, Bradshaw had a run for 30 yards that helped skew the numbers a little, but if you take that one play away, the Bills surrendered 93 rushing yards on 30 RB carries. When you hold a team to 3.1 yards per carry, you're doing pretty damn good.This was also while playing with their 3rd string Nose Tackle out there for pretty much the entire game.
I hate when people make the "Besides for 1 play" breakdowns. Every game there is one or two plays that are big ones that skew the average that is part of the game. Giants can say besides for 80 yard Fred TD run they held him to 40 yards on like 15 carries, but no we gave up 120 yards to him and need to improve on the run defense
 
I thought the run defense held up very well in the game. Giants RBs had 16 carries for 46 yards in the first half for an average of 2.9 yards per carry.On the very last Giants drive, Bradshaw had a run for 30 yards that helped skew the numbers a little, but if you take that one play away, the Bills surrendered 93 rushing yards on 30 RB carries. When you hold a team to 3.1 yards per carry, you're doing pretty damn good.This was also while playing with their 3rd string Nose Tackle out there for pretty much the entire game.
I hate when people make the "Besides for 1 play" breakdowns. Every game there is one or two plays that are big ones that skew the average that is part of the game. Giants can say besides for 80 yard Fred TD run they held him to 40 yards on like 15 carries, but no we gave up 120 yards to him and need to improve on the run defense
but one play IS one play. when talking about the performance of a defense over an entire game, why let one play skew everything? yes it was a big play at a crucial moment so it certainly counts. Even if you include that play, the Bills still held the Giants to an average of less than 4 yards per carry. That's generally going to be good enough in most weeks, but not when you can't stop the pass and turn the ball over on offense.This is what Bradshaw did with his carries in the game:1313-21 (TD)11145121 (TD)9132421 (TD)13113046-4by my count, that's 3 yards or less on 18 of his 26 carries (although 3 went for a 1-yard TD). Anyway, the run defense certainly caved a bit at the end with Bradshaw gaining about 50 yards rushing on that last drive. Maybe they were worn down, maybe they just were mentally unfocused after the Fitzpatrick INT. Not sure. Up until that point though, I'd say the Bills run defense played surprisingly well in this game, especially with an unknown like Heard at NT. The run defense has been pretty solid in most games this year too. It was certainly not the reason they lost.Here were the carries for Fred Jackson:2807-14605401516303Obviously the 80-yard play skews things tremendously. They did give up 4 yards or more on 8 of his 16 rush attempts although the 2nd longest gain was only 7 yards.
 
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Has the world forgotten Barry Sanders already? Sometimes you keep running a guy because *that one play* could be right around the corner.

If you take away an 80-yard TD, that defense doesn't look like the kind of D that can give up an 80-yard TD...and they are. It matters on both sides of the ball.

 
I thought the run defense held up very well in the game. Giants RBs had 16 carries for 46 yards in the first half for an average of 2.9 yards per carry.On the very last Giants drive, Bradshaw had a run for 30 yards that helped skew the numbers a little, but if you take that one play away, the Bills surrendered 93 rushing yards on 30 RB carries. When you hold a team to 3.1 yards per carry, you're doing pretty damn good.This was also while playing with their 3rd string Nose Tackle out there for pretty much the entire game.
Hmm I stand corrected then. Thought they were worse than that based on what I heard and saw on the redzone channel. I've always thought the people who whine about the "take away this run.." point sound ridiculous (as do the guys at Football Outsiders) - good luck ever changing their minds though.
 
PFF's review:

N.Y. Giants – Three Performances of Note

Bradshaw carries the load

There would be a lot of teams that may struggle when a player of Brandon Jacobs stature goes down (he was inactive in this game), but I’m not sure the Giants aren’t actually slightly better off. Ahmad Bradshaw (+3.2) is such a good all round player I’d like to have him on the field as much as possible, and here he got 83% of snaps; his season high. Clearly, as can be seen from 104 yards and three short yardage touchdowns, he ran the ball very well but it was his pass protection that stood out for me once again; another perfect day while being left in to block 14 times.

It’s interesting to note that this game featured the top two half-backs in the league in that regard because as great as Bradshaw is Fred Jackson is every bit as good.

Ballard Sneaks Up On You

Quietly, perhaps even surreptitiously, Jake Ballard (+1.5) has become a tight end who looks like he may be able to fill the void left by Kevin Boss. He’s not setting any alarm bells ringing or even getting the geekiest of fantasy buffs breathing hard over their computers but he is playing well and garnering more playing time as the season progresses. His percentage of snaps by week is 48, 53, 66, 72, 73 and here 94.

So far this year he’s shown he’s a receiver that catches everything thrown his way (15 of 17 targets with no drops), is a good pass blocker (perfect on 24 snaps in protection) and is developing as a run blocker.

In this game he caught all of the five passes he was the target of for 81 yards and if that continues don’t expect him to stay a secret for too long.

Secondary concerns

A number of members of the defensive backfield played well in this game but nickel safety/linebacker Deon Grant (-2.3) wasn’t among them. Against teams who like to throw he gets a lot of playing time (95% of all snaps here) but his lack of range can be exploited as it was in this game. The two most notable examples were Fred Jackson’s 80 yard TD run where he took such a bad angle on the play he wasn’t even in position to miss a tackle, and the David Nelson post route for 32 yards. Regardless of whether Antrel Rolle was supposed to hand off the big slot receiver (I think he was), the safety with responsibility for the other side of the field got to him first. I’m fairly sure if teams see the Giants playing two high safeties and he’s one of them, they’ll fancy their chances and take a few shots deep or in front of him.

Game Notes

- If Drayton Florence’s numbers weren’t great, Terrence McGee’s (+3.5) were more so. 11 targets, 6 receptions, 56 yards, a pass defended and five stops.

- Eli Manning actually had a better QB rating under pressure than not; 112.5 vs. 87.8

- The Giants didn’t do a lot of blitzing in this game; they brought extra players on only 3 occasions

 

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