Game Thread W6 - New England V Dallas (1 Viewer)

[Tyrion]

Personally I am encouraged by this game. The Patriots came in playing their best ball while Dallas clearly could polish their game up when it comes to penalties etc. (Some of course were bad calls but penalties none the less.) Add to it that they will be adding Tank Johnson, Anthony Henry and possibly Terry Glenn. Greg Ellis and our Offensive line will also be getting better as the year goes by so I think our team can take a big step forward the second half of the season. Considering that they are the best team in the NFC right now, that is pretty big.

 

[thayman]

Personally I am encouraged by this game. The Patriots came in playing their best ball while Dallas clearly could polish their game up when it comes to penalties etc. (Some of course were bad calls but penalties none the less.) Add to it that they will be adding Tank Johnson, Anthony Henry and possibly Terry Glenn. Greg Ellis and our Offensive line will also be getting better as the year goes by so I think our team can take a big step forward the second half of the season. Considering that they are the best team in the NFC right now, that is pretty big.

So far they have only beat a decent Bears team.

 

[Routilla]

Personally I am encouraged by this game. The Patriots came in playing their best ball while Dallas clearly could polish their game up when it comes to penalties etc. (Some of course were bad calls but penalties none the less.) Add to it that they will be adding Tank Johnson, Anthony Henry and possibly Terry Glenn. Greg Ellis and our Offensive line will also be getting better as the year goes by so I think our team can take a big step forward the second half of the season. Considering that they are the best team in the NFC right now, that is pretty big.

Agreed. DAL moved the ball albeit inconsistently. Tank could help in the middle if he comes back without any hang ups. That would help the 3-4 scheme. NE has a way of making you look bad so I would think there is a bunch of film to hopefully work out some of the kinks.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Personally I am encouraged by this game. The Patriots came in playing their best ball while Dallas clearly could polish their game up when it comes to penalties etc. (Some of course were bad calls but penalties none the less.) Add to it that they will be adding Tank Johnson, Anthony Henry and possibly Terry Glenn. Greg Ellis and our Offensive line will also be getting better as the year goes by so I think our team can take a big step forward the second half of the season. Considering that they are the best team in the NFC right now, that is pretty big.

That would make a little more sense if the game was in New England with healthy RBs for the Patriots. In that circumstance I'd be satisfied with the result if I was a Cowboys fan. But the Pats were one-dimensional, they were on the road, and they couldn't be stopped. Moss, Welker, Stallworth, whatever. I'm not saying they had one hand tied behind their back, but the Cowboys had advantages. If the game was played on a neutral field (SB) with a healthy running game...what makes anyone think the game would be even this close? I think Dallas is good enough to be a SB team, but that's only because they're in the NFC. I think they played pretty well, though. Just not "beat the Patriots" good.

 

[Pat Patriot]

The Patriots are certainly capable of losing if Brady throws up one of his 3 interception games. Brady made some great throws today but overall I dont think he was as sharp as earlier this year. The Dallas pressure is certainly 1 reason. He missed some deep throws.

I thought the Cowboys O-Line played very well today. The Patriots had a couple of sacks but I thought they held up very well against the Patriot blitzes.

Not a bad showing by the Cowboys. I think they can build on this. The Cowboys could be in for a 13-3 type year. Their offense is pretty unstoppable.

 

[meanjoegreen]

Their offense is pretty unstoppable.

Did you see the Buffalo game last weekend? They did a pretty good job of stopping the Dallas offense. If they had an offense of their own, they would have beaten them.

 

[Pat Patriot]

Their offense is pretty unstoppable.

Did you see the Buffalo game last weekend? They did a pretty good job of stopping the Dallas offense. If they had an offense of their own, they would have beaten them.

Thats one game. Romo has a lot of weapons.Witten, Owens, MBIII, Crayton, JJNot many teams have the weapons that Dallas has.Edit. Romo played horrendously bad with 6 turnovers and they still put up 25 points.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

Anyone questioning Brady's gol for the record should remember they ran it on first and second down and he threw it out of the back of the end zone on third.

Well there were two other two series where they were within the 6 yard line and threw the ball every down resulting in two touchdown passes for Brady, I still think Billy boy and Brady want the record. But there is nothing wrong that, you come to the defense as if there is something wrong with them wanting it.

Agreed. The "he's not going for the record" apologists are That's fine to go for the record.J

???You just don't get it The only "RECORD" he is going for is 1-0 every week for 19 weeks.Unlike a certain other qb, Brady does not have a history of selfishly/foolishly trying for tds when he should be trying to make a first down.Maybe in week 12 -14 you can begin to speculate, but to make such an absurd claim about Brady in week 6 is absolutely ridiculous

 

[Joe Bryant]

Anyone questioning Brady's gol for the record should remember they ran it on first and second down and he threw it out of the back of the end zone on third.

Well there were two other two series where they were within the 6 yard line and threw the ball every down resulting in two touchdown passes for Brady, I still think Billy boy and Brady want the record. But there is nothing wrong that, you come to the defense as if there is something wrong with them wanting it.

Agreed. The "he's not going for the record" apologists are That's fine to go for the record.J

???You just don't get it The only "RECORD" he is going for is 1-0 every week for 19 weeks.Unlike a certain other qb, Brady does not have a history of selfishly/foolishly trying for tds when he should be trying to make a first down.Maybe in week 12 -14 you can begin to speculate, but to make such an absurd claim about Brady in week 6 is absolutely ridiculous

What "absurd" claim did I make about Brady?J

 

[Pat Patriot]

Anyone questioning Brady's gol for the record should remember they ran it on first and second down and he threw it out of the back of the end zone on third.

Well there were two other two series where they were within the 6 yard line and threw the ball every down resulting in two touchdown passes for Brady, I still think Billy boy and Brady want the record. But there is nothing wrong that, you come to the defense as if there is something wrong with them wanting it.

Agreed. The "he's not going for the record" apologists are That's fine to go for the record.J

???You just don't get it The only "RECORD" he is going for is 1-0 every week for 19 weeks.Unlike a certain other qb, Brady does not have a history of selfishly/foolishly trying for tds when he should be trying to make a first down.Maybe in week 12 -14 you can begin to speculate, but to make such an absurd claim about Brady in week 6 is absolutely ridiculous

I agree with Joe. Who cares if Brady is going for the record? I know he cares more about winning games. I want him to get the record. Why apologize for it? If a guy got the record throwing from behind every week on a 4-12 team, I would say it loses some meaning. It cant lose meaning if your team doesnt lose. I think that Belichek is giving a big "middle finger" to the whole league who are relishing in talking about the Patriots "tainted" titles. He has told his coordinators to take no prisoners. I like it.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

Anyone questioning Brady's gol for the record should remember they ran it on first and second down and he threw it out of the back of the end zone on third.

Well there were two other two series where they were within the 6 yard line and threw the ball every down resulting in two touchdown passes for Brady, I still think Billy boy and Brady want the record. But there is nothing wrong that, you come to the defense as if there is something wrong with them wanting it.

Agreed. The "he's not going for the record" apologists are That's fine to go for the record.J

???You just don't get it The only "RECORD" he is going for is 1-0 every week for 19 weeks.Unlike a certain other qb, Brady does not have a history of selfishly/foolishly trying for tds when he should be trying to make a first down.Maybe in week 12 -14 you can begin to speculate, but to make such an absurd claim about Brady in week 6 is absolutely ridiculous

What "absurd" claim did I make about Brady?J

In week 06 you are claiming Brady (& BB) are going for the TD passing record.That is ABSURD claim to make at this juncture.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Anyone questioning Brady's gol for the record should remember they ran it on first and second down and he threw it out of the back of the end zone on third.

Well there were two other two series where they were within the 6 yard line and threw the ball every down resulting in two touchdown passes for Brady, I still think Billy boy and Brady want the record. But there is nothing wrong that, you come to the defense as if there is something wrong with them wanting it.

Agreed. The "he's not going for the record" apologists are That's fine to go for the record.J

???You just don't get it The only "RECORD" he is going for is 1-0 every week for 19 weeks.Unlike a certain other qb, Brady does not have a history of selfishly/foolishly trying for tds when he should be trying to make a first down.Maybe in week 12 -14 you can begin to speculate, but to make such an absurd claim about Brady in week 6 is absolutely ridiculous

What "absurd" claim did I make about Brady?J

In week 06 you are claiming Brady (& BB) are going for the TD passing record.That is ABSURD claim to make at this juncture.

Where did I say that?What I said is above. I said the "he's not going for the record" apologists were funny. It's ok to go for the record. Is that "absurd"? J

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

Anyone questioning Brady's gol for the record should remember they ran it on first and second down and he threw it out of the back of the end zone on third.

Well there were two other two series where they were within the 6 yard line and threw the ball every down resulting in two touchdown passes for Brady, I still think Billy boy and Brady want the record. But there is nothing wrong that, you come to the defense as if there is something wrong with them wanting it.

Agreed. The "he's not going for the record" apologists are That's fine to go for the record.J

???You just don't get it The only "RECORD" he is going for is 1-0 every week for 19 weeks.Unlike a certain other qb, Brady does not have a history of selfishly/foolishly trying for tds when he should be trying to make a first down.Maybe in week 12 -14 you can begin to speculate, but to make such an absurd claim about Brady in week 6 is absolutely ridiculous

I agree with Joe. Who cares if Brady is going for the record? I know he cares more about winning games. I want him to get the record. Why apologize for it? If a guy got the record throwing from behind every week on a 4-12 team, I would say it loses some meaning. It cant lose meaning if your team doesnt lose. I think that Belichek is giving a big "middle finger" to the whole league who are relishing in talking about the Patriots "tainted" titles. He has told his coordinators to take no prisoners. I like it.

Like most other Pats fans I think it would be terrific to see Brady get the TD passing record. But to say in week 6 that BB & Brady are focusing on that record in any meaningful way is ridiculous. BB & Brady care about 1 thing and thats winning SBs and the td passing record is certainly not anywhere in their thought process in week 6 of the season.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

Anyone questioning Brady's gol for the record should remember they ran it on first and second down and he threw it out of the back of the end zone on third.

Well there were two other two series where they were within the 6 yard line and threw the ball every down resulting in two touchdown passes for Brady, I still think Billy boy and Brady want the record. But there is nothing wrong that, you come to the defense as if there is something wrong with them wanting it.

Agreed. The "he's not going for the record" apologists are That's fine to go for the record.J

???You just don't get it

The only "RECORD" he is going for is 1-0 every week for 19 weeks.

Unlike a certain other qb, Brady does not have a history of selfishly/foolishly trying for tds when he should be trying to make a first down.

Maybe in week 12 -14 you can begin to speculate, but to make such an absurd claim about Brady in week 6 is absolutely ridiculous

What "absurd" claim did I make about Brady?J

In week 06 you are claiming Brady (& BB) are going for the TD passing record.That is ABSURD claim to make at this juncture.

Where did I say that?J

???You agreed with the poster who said :

"Well there were two other two series where they were within the 6 yard line and threw the ball every down resulting in two touchdown passes for Brady, I still think Billy boy and Brady want the record. But there is nothing wrong that, you come to the defense as if there is something wrong with them wanting it."

And you said:

Agreed. The "he's not going for the record" apologists are That's fine to go for the record.

I think it is easy to infer that you are agreeing with the sentiment that BB and Brady want the record which is absurd IMO.

If you aren't implying that Brady is going for the TD record then how does your "laughing your rear off" at Pats fans apologists who claim that isn't true make any sense.

Of course Brady is not going for the TD record, so why would you laugh at Pats fans for stating the obvious?

I would love to see Brady get the TD passing record, but I would be severely dissapointed if I thought Brady gave any serious thought about it in week 6 of the season.

 

[BigRed]

Moss will have alligator arms with Roy Williams lurking.

Say what you will about Moss but he has excellent hands....and oh btw DAL starts the clown prince of dropped passes and one of the most overrated WRs ever.

 

[omally]

I think that Belichek is giving a big "middle finger" to the whole league who are relishing in talking about the Patriots "tainted" titles. He has told his coordinators to take no prisoners. I like it.

Belichek is too arrogant to care what other organizations are saying about him.

 

[Ghost Rider]

My thoughts:

-There was never any doubt in my mind that the Patriots were going to win this game. Even when Dallas took a brief lead in the 3rd quarter, I knew it wouldn't last, and sure enough, the Patriots quickly scored, to take back the lead and never looked back.

-Phillips' decision to kick that FG in the 4th quarter was just gutless. He might as well have waved the white flag.

-I think Brady probably does want the touchdown record, and if so, why is that a bad thing? He is probably tired of hearing about how Manning is the best QB in the NFL, even though he is more of a winner, so now that he has the weapons to put up eye-popping numbers, too, he is taking advantage of it. Nothing wrong with that.

-The only team in the NFL that might beat the Patriots this year is the Colts, and they will need their defense to play off the charts good.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

The sad/funny part is, Brady could get the record without wanting it or trying for it. Just keep playing, have trouble running the ball and finding open receivers. That should do it.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I would love to see Brady get the TD passing record, but I would be severely dissapointed if I thought Brady gave any serious thought about it in week 6 of the season.

Backing down from it being "ABSURD" to that makes for a much more sensible post. And to be clear, I've no idea if Brady is giving serious thought to the record. Tom doesn't return my calls any more so I don't have a way of knowing that. What I do know is that the apologists falling over themselves to shout there's no way he's considering the record (as if they'd somehow know) are amusing. J

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

I would love to see Brady get the TD passing record, but I would be severely dissapointed if I thought Brady gave any serious thought about it in week 6 of the season.

Backing down from it being "ABSURD" to that makes for a much more sensible post. And to be clear, I've no idea if Brady is giving serious thought to the record. Tom doesn't return my calls any more so I don't have a way of knowing that. What I do know is that the apologists falling over themselves to shout there's no way he's considering the record (as if they'd somehow know) are amusing. J

HUH?I didn't back down from saying the assertion is absurd, but I did leave you a little wiggle room to wiggle out of what you seemed to imply, which you kinda sorta did and then when right back to being silly You don't need to have Tom return your calls to know that (in week 6) the last thing he is thinking about is the TD record; all you need is a clue.

 

[PatsWillWin]

I would love to see Brady get the TD passing record, but I would be severely dissapointed if I thought Brady gave any serious thought about it in week 6 of the season.

Backing down from it being "ABSURD" to that makes for a much more sensible post. And to be clear, I've no idea if Brady is giving serious thought to the record. Tom doesn't return my calls any more so I don't have a way of knowing that. What I do know is that the apologists falling over themselves to shout there's no way he's considering the record (as if they'd somehow know) are amusing.

J

Link?

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

I would love to see Brady get the TD passing record, but I would be severely dissapointed if I thought Brady gave any serious thought about it in week 6 of the season.

Backing down from it being "ABSURD" to that makes for a much more sensible post. And to be clear, I've no idea if Brady is giving serious thought to the record. Tom doesn't return my calls any more so I don't have a way of knowing that. What I do know is that the apologists falling over themselves to shout there's no way he's considering the record (as if they'd somehow know) are amusing. J

HUH?I didn't back down from saying the assertion is absurd, but I did leave you a little wiggle room to weasle out of what you seemed to imply, which you kinda sorta did and then when right back to being silly You don't need to have Tom return your calls to know that (in week 6) the last thing he is thinking about is the TD record; all you need is a clue.

If the fans are thinking about it, and the media is thinking about it...you don't think the guy who already has a ton of Super Bowl accolades, plenty of cash and a probable spot in Canton might be thinking about it himself? You're really convinced he's just a football robot, not thinking about anything but the next game, since this is just like any other season for him, just a part of the monotony of the job? Come on.If Brady told reporters that the Indy game was just like any other game on the schedule and they just take it one week at a time, would you believe that, too? Do you believe it when coaches say they don't really worry about job security; they're too busy focusing on winning the next game? If a guy has achieved everything team-wise there is to achieve, and the team is rolling, and he's on pace to break a record that just happens to be held by the guy who beat him last year to go to the Super Bowl...you don't think he might think about that a little?Nobody knows what's in a person's head. But he is a human being. I don't even like the Patriots and I'm thinking about him breaking it.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I would love to see Brady get the TD passing record, but I would be severely dissapointed if I thought Brady gave any serious thought about it in week 6 of the season.

Backing down from it being "ABSURD" to that makes for a much more sensible post. And to be clear, I've no idea if Brady is giving serious thought to the record. Tom doesn't return my calls any more so I don't have a way of knowing that. What I do know is that the apologists falling over themselves to shout there's no way he's considering the record (as if they'd somehow know) are amusing. J

HUH?

Good luck with that. J

 

[Joe Bryant]

I would love to see Brady get the TD passing record, but I would be severely dissapointed if I thought Brady gave any serious thought about it in week 6 of the season.

Backing down from it being "ABSURD" to that makes for a much more sensible post. And to be clear, I've no idea if Brady is giving serious thought to the record. Tom doesn't return my calls any more so I don't have a way of knowing that. What I do know is that the apologists falling over themselves to shout there's no way he's considering the record (as if they'd somehow know) are amusing.

J

Link?

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=355994J

 

[Joe Bryant]

I would love to see Brady get the TD passing record, but I would be severely dissapointed if I thought Brady gave any serious thought about it in week 6 of the season.

Backing down from it being "ABSURD" to that makes for a much more sensible post. And to be clear, I've no idea if Brady is giving serious thought to the record. Tom doesn't return my calls any more so I don't have a way of knowing that. What I do know is that the apologists falling over themselves to shout there's no way he's considering the record (as if they'd somehow know) are amusing. J

HUH?I didn't back down from saying the assertion is absurd, but I did leave you a little wiggle room to weasle out of what you seemed to imply, which you kinda sorta did and then when right back to being silly You don't need to have Tom return your calls to know that (in week 6) the last thing he is thinking about is the TD record; all you need is a clue.

If the fans are thinking about it, and the media is thinking about it...you don't think the guy who already has a ton of Super Bowl accolades, plenty of cash and a probable spot in Canton might be thinking about it himself? You're really convinced he's just a football robot, not thinking about anything but the next game, since this is just like any other season for him, just a part of the monotony of the job? Come on.If Brady told reporters that the Indy game was just like any other game on the schedule and they just take it one week at a time, would you believe that, too? Do you believe it when coaches say they don't really worry about job security; they're too busy focusing on winning the next game? If a guy has achieved everything team-wise there is to achieve, and the team is rolling, and he's on pace to break a record that just happens to be held by the guy who beat him last year to go to the Super Bowl...you don't think he might think about that a little?Nobody knows what's in a person's head. But he is a human being. I don't even like the Patriots and I'm thinking about him breaking it.

Easy Neil. Don't start trying to add sense to this... J

 

[twitch]

The sad/funny part is, Brady could get the record without wanting it or trying for it. Just keep playing, have trouble running the ball and finding open receivers. That should do it.

your takes on this topic have been on point. In general discussion, I think what has some NE fans (apologists) a little riled up is the notion Brady is actually making an conscious effort to throw TD passes("going for it") at the expense of winning games, or even winning the 'right' way. As a Pats fan, Id be offended if I saw him scoring blatant passing TDs when the jugular hadnt already been struck late in a game. But the man is still trying to get on the same page with some receivers he's played with now for all of SIX weeks, so I fully expect them to still work on their game even when they have big leads. And further, if NE is reduced to playing 3rd and 4th string RBs again or for a significant period of time, I expect them to throw the ball early, often and every other way possible.

After all the cheating scandal issues, and with the hate mail crossing streams still daily, and the NE disdain held by a large % of fans out there, Id make no secret that I hope NE absolutely THROTTLES every single team they face this year. Three score margins preferably. If not to shut up all the critics, atleast to give that as little to doubt as possible. Not targeting any one opponent, because theyre all worthy, but just complete domination of the league. Of course, that's asking alot. But with that said, NE still has to do it the 'right' way. And that way does not include Brady throwing a TD with under a minute to go with a 14pt lead. But it does include letting the 4th string RB run one up the gut for his 1st career TD to secure the win. I believe Brady's basic take on the topic, which is that he's all about team records (rings). But as NBZ and others have pointed out, he is only human, and Im sure the thought will cross his mind from time to time.

 

[Joe Bryant]

The sad/funny part is, Brady could get the record without wanting it or trying for it. Just keep playing, have trouble running the ball and finding open receivers. That should do it.

your takes on this topic have been on point. In general discussion, I think what has some NE fans (apologists) a little riled up is the notion Brady is actually making an conscious effort to throw TD passes("going for it") at the expense of winning games, or even winning the 'right' way. As a Pats fan, Id be offended if I saw him scoring blatant passing TDs when the jugular hadnt already been struck late in a game. But the man is still trying to get on the same page with some receivers he's played with now for all of SIX weeks, so I fully expect them to still work on their game even when they have big leads. And further, if NE is reduced to playing 3rd and 4th string RBs again or for a significant period of time, I expect them to throw the ball early, often and every other way possible.

After all the cheating scandal issues, and with the hate mail crossing streams still daily, and the NE disdain held by a large % of fans out there, Id make no secret that I hope NE absolutely THROTTLES every single team they face this year. Three score margins preferably. If not to shut up all the critics, atleast to give that as little to doubt as possible. Not targeting any one opponent, because theyre all worthy, but just complete domination of the league. Of course, that's asking alot. But with that said, NE still has to do it the 'right' way. And that way does not include Brady throwing a TD with under a minute to go with a 14pt lead. But it does include letting the 4th string RB run one up the gut for his 1st career TD to secure the win. I believe Brady's basic take on the topic, which is that he's all about team records (rings). But as NBZ and others have pointed out, he is only human, and Im sure the thought will cross his mind from time to time.

Good posting twitch. I can see this take on it. One thing to be clear on though from what I said, in no way am I saying that all Patriot fans are the "no way is he thinking of the record" apologists. That's a small set for sure.J

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

My ISP went out and was unable to finish the game online with you guys, for those of you that were there, it was fun.

My take on the rest of the game is pretty simple.

The penalties and the amount of plays Dallas D was out on the field started to take a toll. They were gettign decent pressure on Brady but didn't sustain that for many reasons.

All of the 3rd downs they couldn't get NE off early, the penalties, the great play by NE just added up. Proof was in the pudding when Dallas woudn't let NE run the ball in the first 2.5 quarters then they couldn't stop them. They were a tired and beaten team by the end of that game.

Props to NE, great team.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

The sad/funny part is, Brady could get the record without wanting it or trying for it. Just keep playing, have trouble running the ball and finding open receivers. That should do it.

your takes on this topic have been on point. In general discussion, I think what has some NE fans (apologists) a little riled up is the notion Brady is actually making an conscious effort to throw TD passes("going for it") at the expense of winning games, or even winning the 'right' way. As a Pats fan, Id be offended if I saw him scoring blatant passing TDs when the jugular hadnt already been struck late in a game. But the man is still trying to get on the same page with some receivers he's played with now for all of SIX weeks, so I fully expect them to still work on their game even when they have big leads. And further, if NE is reduced to playing 3rd and 4th string RBs again or for a significant period of time, I expect them to throw the ball early, often and every other way possible.

After all the cheating scandal issues, and with the hate mail crossing streams still daily, and the NE disdain held by a large % of fans out there, Id make no secret that I hope NE absolutely THROTTLES every single team they face this year. Three score margins preferably. If not to shut up all the critics, atleast to give that as little to doubt as possible. Not targeting any one opponent, because theyre all worthy, but just complete domination of the league. Of course, that's asking alot. But with that said, NE still has to do it the 'right' way. And that way does not include Brady throwing a TD with under a minute to go with a 14pt lead. But it does include letting the 4th string RB run one up the gut for his 1st career TD to secure the win. I believe Brady's basic take on the topic, which is that he's all about team records (rings). But as NBZ and others have pointed out, he is only human, and Im sure the thought will cross his mind from time to time.

Good posting twitch. I can see this take on it. One thing to be clear on though from what I said, in no way am I saying that all Patriot fans are the "no way is he thinking of the record" apologists. That's a small set for sure.J

First, if we are going to be clear lets be honest as well, you have morphed what you first said:"Agreed. The "he's not going for the record" apologists are That's fine to go for the record."

Into

"no way is he thinking of the record" apologists."

Second, those who dissagree with the "he is going for the record" nonsense, who you label "apologists" are simply pointing out there is little (if any) evidence to support such a ridiculous assertion while at the same time there is plenty of evidence to suggest it is very unlikely.