Horses Mouth
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what's up with Maclin? haven't been watching....
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Game Thread W9 - Indianapolis V Philadelphia (1 Viewer)
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SHIZNITTTT
Footballguy
"I couldn't believe they cheered when Michael Irvin got hurt," said Donovan McNabb, the team's No. 1 pick who was nearly booed off the stage by Eagles fans attending the draft. "You don't know what to expect from them."
bleedgreen
Footballguy
So you think the fans in the stands are so quickly aware of the seriousness of the player lying on the field? Players lie on the ground all of the time after hits. I stand by mySo you think it is more appropriate to be concerned about a correct call and not the health of a player who looks to be in serious condition?
^^^^^ThisThe refs have changed the momentum of this game. Overall, they have done a poor job all season.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
Some serious fishing attempts going on in here.
bleedgreen
Footballguy
Anyway, this looks like it's heading in the Colts direction. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Colts light it up in the second half.
notdarkyet
Footballguy
mr. furley
Footballguy
Because they called a personal foul and I dont think you can challenge that.
GOB
Footballguy
I thought for sure they were going to challenge it, but they would have lost the challenge, IMO.
Simayi
Footballguy
My guess would be that it was a penalty called and that it was the penalty that caused the fumble, and I don't think that would've resulted in a change of possession.Cowher saying he doesn't agree with the call, Boomer also states that it was an overreaction on the ref's part.
netnalp
Footballguy
Snoopy created Oct. 1950. Santa pelting, Dec. 15, 1968.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snoopy:XDid they have stuffed snoopys back in the 60s when this happened?
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nf...snowballs_x.htm
I agree it's not right to still hang that on the Philly fans. They got classier, like statue honoring a pretend boxer classy.
http://www.visitphilly.com/museums-attract...he-rocky-steps/
They ruled it incomplete and there was a personal foul on the play. If they review and call it a fumble then the colts accept the penalty and get the down over anyway.
RnR
Footballguy
As I said in a different post, I'm not really interested in if it is a penalty or not. It's probably not.Since you have it on DVR, and are now willing to admit there was helmet-to-helmet contact, watch the way Collie's arms lock up at the moment of impact from that hit. His arms stayed locked that way as he hit the ground and for the moments thereafter. I'm not sure if it holds up in court, but its pretty safe to assume that's the point he lost consciousness.not sure this would hold up in a courtthanks to the magic of DVR i rewound and rewatched that play. some facemask to back of the helmet contact. definitely not enough to warrant a flag and certainly not enough to knock a guy out.
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
Getting irritating to try and get game info in here and every #######, half-hearted football fan that has learned the phrase "helmet to helmet," has to end their posts with "period." Helmet collisions are only illegal against QBs in the pocket, and WRs while making a catch and defenseless. That said, I'm not sure he was still making the catch or a runner at that point, but with everybody saying every helmet to helmet is a fine is crap.
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urbanhack
Fight The Power!
can you post a screen shot?
Seems pretty clear to me that the legal helmet to helmet contact there knocked him out.As I said in a different post, I'm not really interested in if it is a penalty or not. It's probably not.Since you have it on DVR, and are now willing to admit there was helmet-to-helmet contact, watch the way Collie's arms lock up at the moment of impact from that hit. His arms stayed locked that way as he hit the ground and for the moments thereafter. I'm not sure if it holds up in court, but its pretty safe to assume that's the point he lost consciousness.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
Love watching these BOOM! commercials right after a big discussion about the Collie hit.
delusional
Footballguy
nice to see former plays on the halftime show call out the league for overreacting
Pyramid Scheme
Footballguy
No, the forehead to the base of the skull was plenty to knock him out, certainly when combined with the direction his body was moving at the time.Accident or not, if as a league you decide you want to lessen head impacts, the only way to do it is call anything that looks remotely questionable. Maybe if you do it enough, DB's will go low instead of high on plays like that. You may get some gruesome injuries that way, but it'll accomplish the goal.The situation is pretty simple: The NFL has a several billion-dollar liability elephant in the room if it's shown, as seems likely, that even repeated sub-concussive impacts cause lifelong neurological damage.
notdarkyet
Footballguy
There was finally an angle that showed some helmet contact. Still feel that he led with his shoulder and the initial contact forced the H2H contact, though I still don't believe it was penatlly worthy. The guy was a runner, and there is nothing wrong with H2H contact in that circumstance.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
How is the NFL justifying that his 2nd foot didn't get down? He got his 2nd foot down clear as day. He took 3 step before the hit.
SHIZNITTTT
Footballguy
In front of her children, Willow and Piper, former Vice Presidential candidate candidate Sarah Palin was booed, as she was introduced to drop the first puck at the Philadelphia Flyers' home opener against the New York Rangers.
This wasn't your typical snowball fight that takes place amongst friends in the backyard of a house. After rumors spread that Eagles coach Buddy Ryan had put a bounty out on Dallas kicker Luis Zendejas during the first meeting two weeks earlier, Eagles fans waited in anticipation for the rematch with "America's Team." With NFL commissioner Paul Tagliabue in attendance on game day, December 10, 1989, the Veterans Stadium crew failed to remove the snow that had piled up for several days leading Eagles fans, including future governor Ed Rendell, no choice but to pelt the Dallas Cowboys' players and coach Jimmy Johnson with massive amounts of snowballs. Although the Eagles won the game 20-10, this game will forever be remembered as the greatest one-sided snowball fight in NFL history.
Philly fans welcomed Drew back home by throwing "D" batteries at him. The game was delayed for roughly ten minutes after debris landed near Drew in center field.
Only in Philadelphia would a 17-year-old ask for his father's permission to run onto the field during a game between the Philadelphia Phillies and St. Louis Cardinals that was taking place at Citizens Bank Park. Steve Consalvi apparently didn't listen to his father's advice. He ran on to the field waving a rally towel, and was tased by security at the stadium. Consalvi became the first sports fan to run onto the field and get tased by police.
Oldie but goodie - The violent acts that were occurring at Veterans Stadium were continuing to increase, thus, leaving Philadelphia no choice but to install a court, judge and jail inside the stadium. A courtroom was built into the stadium where unruly fans were taken for judgment and sentencing after committing crimes at Veterans Stadium. The penalties for the crime forced offenders to give up season tickets, pay a $400 fine and sit in jail for the rest of the game. Since the Eagles moved to Lincoln Financial Field, the crowds have become more subdued by controlling their behavior, and the "Eagles Court" has been closed.
Bad fan behavior is nothing new for the city of Brotherly Love, but Philadelphia fans have reached an all-time low 21-year-old, Matthew Clemmens of Cherry Hill, N.J, allegedly vomited intentionally on an 11-year-old daughter of an off-duty cop. Clemmens was charged with aggravated assault and other counts in this "nauseating" incident that occurred at Citizens Bank Ballpark. It was reported that Clemmens also struck a police officer in the head several times, and threw up on an officer before being removed.
And, in 2000 Michael Irvin had a neck injury and had to be carted off the field and was cheered by Philly fans. - "I couldn't believe they cheered when Michael Irvin got hurt," said Donovan McNabb, the team's No. 1 pick who was nearly booed off the stage by Eagles fans attending the draft. "You don't know what to expect from them."
So yeah Philly has pretty much deserved the bad rep they get for being poor fans. Although I did see some class when they clapped for Collie.
This wasn't your typical snowball fight that takes place amongst friends in the backyard of a house. After rumors spread that Eagles coach Buddy Ryan had put a bounty out on Dallas kicker Luis Zendejas during the first meeting two weeks earlier, Eagles fans waited in anticipation for the rematch with "America's Team." With NFL commissioner Paul Tagliabue in attendance on game day, December 10, 1989, the Veterans Stadium crew failed to remove the snow that had piled up for several days leading Eagles fans, including future governor Ed Rendell, no choice but to pelt the Dallas Cowboys' players and coach Jimmy Johnson with massive amounts of snowballs. Although the Eagles won the game 20-10, this game will forever be remembered as the greatest one-sided snowball fight in NFL history.
Philly fans welcomed Drew back home by throwing "D" batteries at him. The game was delayed for roughly ten minutes after debris landed near Drew in center field.
Only in Philadelphia would a 17-year-old ask for his father's permission to run onto the field during a game between the Philadelphia Phillies and St. Louis Cardinals that was taking place at Citizens Bank Park. Steve Consalvi apparently didn't listen to his father's advice. He ran on to the field waving a rally towel, and was tased by security at the stadium. Consalvi became the first sports fan to run onto the field and get tased by police.
Oldie but goodie - The violent acts that were occurring at Veterans Stadium were continuing to increase, thus, leaving Philadelphia no choice but to install a court, judge and jail inside the stadium. A courtroom was built into the stadium where unruly fans were taken for judgment and sentencing after committing crimes at Veterans Stadium. The penalties for the crime forced offenders to give up season tickets, pay a $400 fine and sit in jail for the rest of the game. Since the Eagles moved to Lincoln Financial Field, the crowds have become more subdued by controlling their behavior, and the "Eagles Court" has been closed.
Bad fan behavior is nothing new for the city of Brotherly Love, but Philadelphia fans have reached an all-time low 21-year-old, Matthew Clemmens of Cherry Hill, N.J, allegedly vomited intentionally on an 11-year-old daughter of an off-duty cop. Clemmens was charged with aggravated assault and other counts in this "nauseating" incident that occurred at Citizens Bank Ballpark. It was reported that Clemmens also struck a police officer in the head several times, and threw up on an officer before being removed.
And, in 2000 Michael Irvin had a neck injury and had to be carted off the field and was cheered by Philly fans. - "I couldn't believe they cheered when Michael Irvin got hurt," said Donovan McNabb, the team's No. 1 pick who was nearly booed off the stage by Eagles fans attending the draft. "You don't know what to expect from them."
So yeah Philly has pretty much deserved the bad rep they get for being poor fans. Although I did see some class when they clapped for Collie.
Army Eye
Footballguy
Agree. Simms might be ok with a different partner. Nantz is fine for golf, but him in the same persona is not so good for football. Gus + Steve definitely bring the goods.
He is sitting up and alert. We can make jokes now.It was a bad call. Bad calls happen all the time.I would rather the refs err on the side of penalty in a close call there.I hope Collie is going to be ok. Everything else is trivial.
bleedgreen
Footballguy
Collie sitting up in the locker room. That's great news! Obviously no broken neck.
delusional
Footballguy
Because of goodell and his new stance on all of this, it is causing some of these bad calls...this season the refs have been pretty bad overall.It was a bad call. Bad calls happen all the time.
flapgreen
Footballguy
Sounds like a great city
Army Eye
Footballguy
Masked Vigilante
Footballguy
I actually prefer the Simms/Nantz pairing over Fox's A-Team. I'd happily punch Joe Buck in the jejunum.
mr. furley
Footballguy
he was KO'd by the violent side to side motion of his neck/head from the near-simultaneous hit, imo. not from the facemask grazing his head.As I said in a different post, I'm not really interested in if it is a penalty or not. It's probably not.Since you have it on DVR, and are now willing to admit there was helmet-to-helmet contact, watch the way Collie's arms lock up at the moment of impact from that hit. His arms stayed locked that way as he hit the ground and for the moments thereafter. I'm not sure if it holds up in court, but its pretty safe to assume that's the point he lost consciousness.
So they aren't all bad then, huh?
Yup...now if there is an injury, they will throw the flag. This is taking it too far, it's football you are going to get hit. There was nothing wrong with that play.Because of goodell and his new stance on all of this, it is causing some of these bad calls...this season the refs have been pretty bad overall.It was a bad call. Bad calls happen all the time.
Say that out loud so you can say you heard one of the most absurd statements ever spoken today.he was KO'd by the violent side to side motion of his neck/head from the near-simultaneous hit, imo. not from the facemask grazing his head.As I said in a different post, I'm not really interested in if it is a penalty or not. It's probably not.Since you have it on DVR, and are now willing to admit there was helmet-to-helmet contact, watch the way Collie's arms lock up at the moment of impact from that hit. His arms stayed locked that way as he hit the ground and for the moments thereafter. I'm not sure if it holds up in court, but its pretty safe to assume that's the point he lost consciousness.
mr. furley
Footballguy
hang on, i'm building a diorama out of spaghetti noodles and pretzels. i will photo and post that pic in a few hours.can you post a screen shot?not sure this would hold up in a courtthanks to the magic of DVR i rewound and rewatched that play. some facemask to back of the helmet contact. definitely not enough to warrant a flag and certainly not enough to knock a guy out.
pantagrapher
Footballguy
I thought it looked like he went stiff the moment his helmet ran into Coleman's.he was KO'd by the violent side to side motion of his neck/head from the near-simultaneous hit, imo. not from the facemask grazing his head.As I said in a different post, I'm not really interested in if it is a penalty or not. It's probably not.Since you have it on DVR, and are now willing to admit there was helmet-to-helmet contact, watch the way Collie's arms lock up at the moment of impact from that hit. His arms stayed locked that way as he hit the ground and for the moments thereafter. I'm not sure if it holds up in court, but its pretty safe to assume that's the point he lost consciousness.
Simayi
Footballguy
I think almost any city in the north-east would have booed Palin, regardless of the presence of her children (probably bought them in a vain attempt to prevent booing?)
I have to say, Patterson is playing pretty well. Glad to see that Hobbs isn't out there.
Nate Allen's x-rays are negative, he is out for the rest of the game though.
I have to say, Patterson is playing pretty well. Glad to see that Hobbs isn't out there.
Nate Allen's x-rays are negative, he is out for the rest of the game though.
netnalp
Footballguy
Stillers Jr.
Footballguy
The people calling out Eagle fans on this play are making a mountain out of a mole hill.
They showed the replay like 5x on the big screen and they're going to react to the penalty being called. Any fans would.
It's unfortunate someone was hurt, but the NFL is a tough league and people sometimes get rung up.
As a WR you have to protect yourself as best as you can. Collie had no chance and the Eagle defenders did what they're supposed to. Again, it's unfortunate but I'm 1000% sure Goodell will levy a fine for the play b/c now he's compelled to. He's painted himself in a corner and has to toe the line he's drawn.
They showed the replay like 5x on the big screen and they're going to react to the penalty being called. Any fans would.
It's unfortunate someone was hurt, but the NFL is a tough league and people sometimes get rung up.
As a WR you have to protect yourself as best as you can. Collie had no chance and the Eagle defenders did what they're supposed to. Again, it's unfortunate but I'm 1000% sure Goodell will levy a fine for the play b/c now he's compelled to. He's painted himself in a corner and has to toe the line he's drawn.
Cleo Taurus
Footballguy
Yes bad calls happen, but when the bad call shifts the momentum in favor of one team makes it so much worse.It was a bad call. Bad calls happen all the time.
But yet Calvin Johnson's was incomplete because he did not complete the process? These rules are the suck. Collie's was probably a catch, but Megatron demonstrated far more possession.
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