Game Thread - Wildcard - Tennessee @ San Diego (1 Viewer)

[DPRugby]

Didn't read the thread, but the TD call was a bad one. If the player has time to look over to the side judge for a signal after being pushed back 2 yards, and then lean forward again, the play is over.

I almost wore my DVR out looking at this one, IMO the ball broke the plane on the first dive, the 2nd push wasn't even needed to call it a TD. But I'm a homer.

Hercules said it broke the plane on the SECOND try (not the first).

I know what the dude said, but I'm saying, according to my 60" HD Sony TV LT scored on the leap.

1. My 55" Sony HD said no.2. It doesn't matter what either of us said. What matters is what Hercules said. He judged him to NOT have gotten in on the first surge. HAD they blown the play dead due to progress being stopped it would have been no TD. He did NOT think LT got in the first time.

The extra five inches matter. Like I said, I'm a homer so I'm a bit biased. Play held up, let's see how they do agaisnt Indy.

OF COURSE the play held up. The point is that they SHOULD have stopped the play after the first failed attempt and no second attempt would have been made/allowed.

Should have? Says who? Titan fans? The whistle came well after LT stretched his arms and the ball across the goal line. The two side judges had a pretty good look and they didn't think the play was over otherwise they WOULD have blow their whistles earlier. That kind of play happens all the time in the NFL, LT was still upright and was still moving (albeit barely) so there was no "failed first attempt".

 

[Tom Baker]

This is one of the more pathetic whines I've seen. The Titans got a free pass to the playoffs, haven't made a visit to the endzone in SEVEN quarters (including three against a team that was literally trying to hand them a game), and some fans are going to whine about a call that was correct on the field and upheld by instant replay? Amazing.

 

[Bri]

judgement calls, toughest thing for football fans to handle

In hindsight, I think some of each team thought the play might be over, there's definitely guys just standing and watching in the replay. The dopey thing is since pop warner they were told to play til the whistle blows. They're gonna beat themselves up over that this offseason.

I think the Titans getting better WRs will be a major issue but I don't think it'll be dramatic like some will want. Roydell improved alot and he's a legit starting NFL WR. Gage is debatable and no I would have never guessed I'd say that 6 months ago but, if ya saw him this year he's far better than expected.

I think they've had enough of Brandon Jones. Moulds will retire. Ealy will probably be 5th WR as he's Vince's boy. Davis and Williams will compete for a spot and they'll bring in one guy. That's it. Oh wait, maybe that'll be interrupted by a can David Givens ever play again month or two.

For years the Titans depth at TE has been excellent and this year's no different.

Plenty at RB.

Vince is gonna have to improve into year 3 and that's that. They're not doing anything with their QB situation unless Kerry's done and then they're getting a vet backup.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Why does Norv Turner seem so angry in his Press Conference?

I was watching that. I thought it looked like a losing coach answering questions defensively.

 

[jonessed]

Didn't read the thread, but the TD call was a bad one. If the player has time to look over to the side judge for a signal after being pushed back 2 yards, and then lean forward again, the play is over.

 

[fantasyfootballguru]

judgement calls, toughest thing for football fans to handleIn hindsight, I think some of each team thought the play might be over, there's definitely guys just standing and watching in the replay. The dopey thing is since pop warner they were told to play til the whistle blows. They're gonna beat themselves up over that this offseason. I think the Titans getting better WRs will be a major issue but I don't think it'll be dramatic like some will want. Roydell improved alot and he's a legit starting NFL WR. Gage is debatable and no I would have never guessed I'd say that 6 months ago but, if ya saw him this year he's far better than expected.I think they've had enough of Brandon Jones. Moulds will retire. Ealy will probably be 5th WR as he's Vince's boy. Davis and Williams will compete for a spot and they'll bring in one guy. That's it. Oh wait, maybe that'll be interrupted by a can David Givens ever play again month or two.For years the Titans depth at TE has been excellent and this year's no different. Plenty at RB.Vince is gonna have to improve into year 3 and that's that. They're not doing anything with their QB situation unless Kerry's done and then they're getting a vet backup.

Totally agree with your entire assessment, but I sure hope they do bring in a #1 WR. Teams don't let them go often so maybe we can trade for a disgruntled Javon Walker or CJ?!?

 

[fantasyfootballguru]

This is one of the more pathetic whines I've seen. The Titans got a free pass to the playoffs, haven't made a visit to the endzone in SEVEN quarters (including three against a team that was literally trying to hand them a game), and some fans are going to whine about a call that was correct on the field and upheld by instant replay? Amazing.

Well, the StuperChargers couldn't score a SINGLE POINT in EITHER of the 1st halves in their two meetings this year! They also totaled a whopping 13 points through three quarters IN TWO GAMES! 6 quarters and 13 points, hardly prolific! This game would not have been close had they not fired Schottenheimer!The LT touchdown was a judgment call and just because Hercules and the sideline officials called it the way they did doesn't mean it was the correct call! Obviously the officials don't get all the calls right even with instant replay.The better team won especially considering the Titans had 2 defensive starters and 4 offensive starters out of the game...Get ready to receive a pounding from the Colts!!!!!

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Didn't read the thread, but the TD call was a bad one. If the player has time to look over to the side judge for a signal after being pushed back 2 yards, and then lean forward again, the play is over.

Seriously...if that is not "stopping forward progress" then what is?

when was he ever down by contact?play isnt over until the ball carrier is down and the whistle blows

You've not watch much football, huh?

enough to know thats a TD.

 

[BelichicksRevenge]

Didn't read the thread, but the TD call was a bad one. If the player has time to look over to the side judge for a signal after being pushed back 2 yards, and then lean forward again, the play is over.

In today's NFL they let the guys get away with this. You just don't see the forward progress stopped whistle being blown in these situations. And you also never see a penalty for an offensive lineman pushing the guy in the back.As a Pats fan, I have seen Brady squirm and squiggle for a yard on third and 1 on numerous occasions. It looks like his progress is stopped but they never call it and he always ends up getting a push at the end to get the yard. Its just the way the game is called these days. If the NFL wants to change the way the game is called then they have to make this one of there "points of emphasis" in the off season similar to the five yard contact rule of a few years ago.

 

[Colin Dowling]

This is one of the more pathetic whines I've seen. The Titans got a free pass to the playoffs, haven't made a visit to the endzone in SEVEN quarters (including three against a team that was literally trying to hand them a game), and some fans are going to whine about a call that was correct on the field and upheld by instant replay? Amazing.

Everything bolded above is ridiculous.

 

[brettdj]

Didn't read the thread, but the TD call was a bad one. If the player has time to look over to the side judge for a signal after being pushed back 2 yards, and then lean forward again, the play is over.

longest arms in the league

 

[Tau837]

This is one of the more pathetic whines I've seen. The Titans got a free pass to the playoffs, haven't made a visit to the endzone in SEVEN quarters (including three against a team that was literally trying to hand them a game), and some fans are going to whine about a call that was correct on the field and upheld by instant replay? Amazing.

Everything bolded above is ridiculous.

No, it really is one of the more pathetic whines.

 

[tommyGunZ]

This is one of the more pathetic whines I've seen. The Titans got a free pass to the playoffs, haven't made a visit to the endzone in SEVEN quarters (including three against a team that was literally trying to hand them a game), and some fans are going to whine about a call that was correct on the field and upheld by instant replay? Amazing.

Well, the StuperChargers couldn't score a SINGLE POINT in EITHER of the 1st halves in their two meetings this year! They also totaled a whopping 13 points through three quarters IN TWO GAMES! 6 quarters and 13 points, hardly prolific! This game would not have been close had they not fired Schottenheimer!The LT touchdown was a judgment call and just because Hercules and the sideline officials called it the way they did doesn't mean it was the correct call! Obviously the officials don't get all the calls right even with instant replay.The better team won especially considering the Titans had 2 defensive starters and 4 offensive starters out of the game...Get ready to receive a pounding from the Colts!!!!!

Funny that you don't mention all of the San Diego starters who were out of the game....

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

The Chargers should have gone for it instead of kicking the field goal early in the second half.

Rivers is very good. (LOL at "Ryan Leaf territory," given his enthusiasm, attitude, intelligence, and work ethic.)

Cottrell is a stud.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Eli vs Rivers.I think we now have a clear cut winner.

Here are the passer ratings from this past weekend's games:Manning: 118.6Rivers: 92.6Roethlisberger: 79.2Hasselbeck: 68.4Garcia: 60.5Collins: 59.2Young: 53.5Garrard: 41.8Pretty rough weekend for QBs. But it's interesting to see that the top three guys are the three high first-rounders from the 2004 draft -- in the order they were selected.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Feh, Coach Fisher. You've just been schooled by NORV FRIGGIN' TURNER.

I can't even begin to express how misguided this statement is. Jeff Fisher brought a team that is, at this point, less talented, with far less depth, starting a second year quarterback to San Diego and controlled half of the game and were in it until late in the game. As hard as is it for me to say this, Jeff Fisher rarely gets "schooled". This game was no exception.Edit to add: If you want to question Jeff Fisher's coaching ability- See 1999.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Feh, Coach Fisher. You've just been schooled by NORV FRIGGIN' TURNER.

I can't even begin to express how misguided this statement is. Jeff Fisher brought a team that is, at this point, less talented, with far less depth, starting a second year quarterback to San Diego and controlled half of the game and were in it until late in the game. As hard as is it for me to say this, Jeff Fisher rarely gets "schooled". This game was no exception.Edit to add: If you want to question Jeff Fisher's coaching ability- See 1999.

No doubt.If anyone got schooled, it was Turner.

 

[jonessed]

Feh, Coach Fisher. You've just been schooled by NORV FRIGGIN' TURNER.

I can't even begin to express how misguided this statement is. Jeff Fisher brought a team that is, at this point, less talented, with far less depth, starting a second year quarterback to San Diego and controlled half of the game and were in it until late in the game. As hard as is it for me to say this, Jeff Fisher rarely gets "schooled". This game was no exception.Edit to add: If you want to question Jeff Fisher's coaching ability- See 1999.

No doubt.If anyone got schooled, it was Turner.

You guys are killing me.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Feh, Coach Fisher. You've just been schooled by NORV FRIGGIN' TURNER.

I can't even begin to express how misguided this statement is. Jeff Fisher brought a team that is, at this point, less talented, with far less depth, starting a second year quarterback to San Diego and controlled half of the game and were in it until late in the game. As hard as is it for me to say this, Jeff Fisher rarely gets "schooled". This game was no exception.Edit to add: If you want to question Jeff Fisher's coaching ability- See 1999.

No doubt.If anyone got schooled, it was Turner.

You guys are killing me.

explain how the great coach only got 6 points out of his offenseAnd how a great coaches secondary got routinely burned by River/Chambers/Vjax for large chunks of yards over and over again in the second half AFTER gates went out with injury

 

[Despyzer]

As a Charger fan, I would rather have Jeff Fisher as a head coach than Norv Turner. Fisher and his team did a great job Sunday. That being said, the idea that Norv sucks or that he "got schooled" Sunday seems a little preposterous.

 

[Colin Dowling]

explain how the great coach only got 6 points out of his offense

They have a 1st year RB (essentially), another 1st year RB, a 2nd year QB with a hurt leg, no slot receiver, no #1 receiver, no deep receiver...6 points is pretty unbelievable, all things considered.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

As a Charger fan, I would rather have Jeff Fisher as a head coach than Norv Turner. Fisher and his team did a great job Sunday. That being said, the idea that Norv sucks or that he "got schooled" Sunday seems a little preposterous.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

explain how the great coach only got 6 points out of his offense

They have a 1st year RB (essentially), another 1st year RB, a 2nd year QB with a hurt leg, no slot receiver, no #1 receiver, no deep receiver...6 points is pretty unbelievable, all things considered.

Exactly...and did the coach put the ball on the ground inside the 10?I really believe that was the play of the game.

 

[Despyzer]

Hey, this game is over. Any chance we can stop baiting each other and making excuses for our teams/coaches? I can't see anything productive coming out of it.

 

[Weapon of Mass Instruction]

Didn't read the thread, but the TD call was a bad one. If the player has time to look over to the side judge for a signal after being pushed back 2 yards, and then lean forward again, the play is over.

In today's NFL they let the guys get away with this. You just don't see the forward progress stopped whistle being blown in these situations. And you also never see a penalty for an offensive lineman pushing the guy in the back.As a Pats fan, I have seen Brady squirm and squiggle for a yard on third and 1 on numerous occasions. It looks like his progress is stopped but they never call it and he always ends up getting a push at the end to get the yard. Its just the way the game is called these days. If the NFL wants to change the way the game is called then they have to make this one of there "points of emphasis" in the off season similar to the five yard contact rule of a few years ago.

Jeff Fisher believes the call was incorrect and should have been whistled dead as progess was stopped:

Fisher said he agreed with Tulloch that the play should have been over after the initial leap was stopped and also said there should have been a pre-play flag because several Chargers were not set at the snap.

"Progress was stopped and the play was over as far as I was concerned, but he did get the ball across the plane," Fisher said. "But the play shouldn't have been allowed to have been snapped. There were two or three players moving."

LinkI'd think the man -- 2nd lost NFL coaching tenure and member of the competition committee -- would know what he is talking about.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Jeff Fisher is a passionate guy, but I am sorry...he is dead wrong. That was obviously a touchdown. Just because LT2 had been stopped initially does not mean the play was over. He was never down by contact. Saying he should have been is like saying that if a QB is briefly stood up on a QB sneak, that he is down and the play is over, rather than letting him continue to push forward for yardage until he is actually down.

 

[Paddy O'Seanessy]

This game was a repeat of the opener against the Bears (only a lesser opponent!)

I left for a few minutes. Who got hit in the back with a punted ball on the Titans?

What a pair of crappy teams!

 

[Colin Dowling]

Jeff Fisher is a passionate guy, but I am sorry...he is dead wrong. That was obviously a touchdown. Just because LT2 had been stopped initially does not mean the play was over. He was never down by contact. Saying he should have been is like saying that if a QB is briefly stood up on a QB sneak, that he is down and the play is over, rather than letting him continue to push forward for yardage until he is actually down.

He was being held up by 20 other people, sort of like when you're in a mosh pit. To be "down by contact" would have required something defying the laws of physics. That's why they have the forward progress rule. Repeating: a play like this one is the EXACT reason they have the forward progress rule. In your scenario the difference is that the QB is chugging along, fighting the line and moving. LT was standing straight up, legs still. He turned to the official, took a good look, then twisted to reach the ball across the line. He didn't make some miraculous second effort where he dug in and pushed his way to paydirt.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Jeff Fisher is a passionate guy, but I am sorry...he is dead wrong. That was obviously a touchdown. Just because LT2 had been stopped initially does not mean the play was over. He was never down by contact. Saying he should have been is like saying that if a QB is briefly stood up on a QB sneak, that he is down and the play is over, rather than letting him continue to push forward for yardage until he is actually down.

He was being held up by 20 other people, sort of like when you're in a mosh pit. To be "down by contact" would have required something defying the laws of physics. That's why they have the forward progress rule. Repeating: a play like this one is the EXACT reason they have the forward progress rule. In your scenario the difference is that the QB is chugging along, fighting the line and moving. LT was standing straight up, legs still. He turned to the official, took a good look, then twisted to reach the ball across the line. He didn't make some miraculous second effort where he dug in and pushed his way to paydirt.

20 other people? Exaggerate much? It is not like he was held up and stopped for 5 seconds. He was knocked backwards, held in place for maybe 1 second, and then lunged forward for the score. His forward progress was never stopped, unless you count the initial time he was knocked backward, but if we are going to declare a RB down every time they are temporarily stopped, we will miss out on many great second attempt opportunities/runs. Besides, the whistle never blew, and I can guarantee that a great coach like Fisher coaches his players to play till the whistle, so if anything, Fisher should be mad at his defense for not playing till the whistle.Lastly, you said it yourself: Tomlinson was standing straight up. Do you really want to start seeing plays whistled dead with the ball carrier standing straight up? Forward progress plays are usually whistled dead when the ball carrier has tried grinding for more yards (meaning his body is lower to the ground than normal), but after a few seconds, is stopped and it is obvious that the play is over, not when a ball carrier is standing straight up after being knocked backwards by one player.

 

[Gr00vus]

It was a good game, both teams played their butts off, both teams played it pretty clean, both teams kept their heads, both teams made few mistakes. I think both coaches did what they were supposed to do, and did it pretty well. I give the Titans all the credit for keeping it competitive considering the talent gap that existed even when all players are healthy, and I give the Chargers credit for winning a game they were supposed to win.

I don't understand the need to debate the second TD call. It could have gone either way - trying to state definitively that there was a right or a wrong way to call it is misinformed. More importantly I don't think it affected the outcome of the game beyond the Chargers covering the spread. I got no sense that the Titan offense was going to be able to score points from that point forward.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Also, for anyone to suggest that Turner outcoached Fisher in this game is loco. The fact that the Titans were in this game for most of the whole 60 minutes is a tremendous credit to Jeff Fisher. A team as undermanned as the Titans shouldn't have had a prayer against a team as talented as the Chargers, but they led for a good part of the game and were in it till almost the end. That is not a knock on Turner; that is a credit to Fisher.

 

[BoltBacker]

Jackson making a big catch and nice pump by Rivers.. All the Rivers bashers need to recognize that the offensive line isn;t playing as it did last year and I believe that is the reason for the struggles.

Much easier to just blindly bash Rivers.

After seeing a lot of what Charger fans are whining about, I'm sure they blame Rivers for the poor play of the offensive line. I didn't realize until this year how whiney a lot of Charger fans are.

?Charger fans have been accused of blindly defending Rivers all season long?The Charger fans are whining because they are winning?

 

[omally]

Jackson making a big catch and nice pump by Rivers.. All the Rivers bashers need to recognize that the offensive line isn;t playing as it did last year and I believe that is the reason for the struggles.

Much easier to just blindly bash Rivers.

After seeing a lot of what Charger fans are whining about, I'm sure they blame Rivers for the poor play of the offensive line. I didn't realize until this year how whiney a lot of Charger fans are.

?Charger fans have been accused of blindly defending Rivers all season long?The Charger fans are whining because they are winning?

 

[Gr00vus]

I think most Charger fans with eyes in their heads have recognized that the offensive line isn't playing anywhere near as well this year as it did last year, and that many times both Rivers and Tomlinson have suffered as a result. However there have also been times when Rivers has underperformed while the offensive line was doing well this year.

Commenting on this reality makes us Charger fans whiney I guess.

 

[tommyGunZ]

I think most Charger fans with eyes in their heads have recognized that the offensive line isn't playing anywhere near as well this year as it did last year, and that many times both Rivers and Tomlinson have suffered as a result. However there have also been times when Rivers has underperformed while the offensive line was doing well this year.Commenting on this reality makes us Charger fans whiney I guess.

I think the times that Rivers has underperformed while the offensive line was playing well have been very, very rare.

 

[Tau837]

I think most Charger fans with eyes in their heads have recognized that the offensive line isn't playing anywhere near as well this year as it did last year, and that many times both Rivers and Tomlinson have suffered as a result. However there have also been times when Rivers has underperformed while the offensive line was doing well this year.Commenting on this reality makes us Charger fans whiney I guess.

I think the times that Rivers has underperformed while the offensive line was playing well have been very, very rare.

 

[jonessed]

Jeff Fisher is a passionate guy, but I am sorry...he is dead wrong. That was obviously a touchdown. Just because LT2 had been stopped initially does not mean the play was over. He was never down by contact. Saying he should have been is like saying that if a QB is briefly stood up on a QB sneak, that he is down and the play is over, rather than letting him continue to push forward for yardage until he is actually down.

He was being held up by 20 other people, sort of like when you're in a mosh pit. To be "down by contact" would have required something defying the laws of physics. That's why they have the forward progress rule. Repeating: a play like this one is the EXACT reason they have the forward progress rule. In your scenario the difference is that the QB is chugging along, fighting the line and moving. LT was standing straight up, legs still. He turned to the official, took a good look, then twisted to reach the ball across the line. He didn't make some miraculous second effort where he dug in and pushed his way to paydirt.

He has six feet arms and was being propped up by everyone on both sides of the ball but the WRs and the Corners? You should work for Disney.

 

[BoltBacker]

I've watched very little of the Chargers this year and Riveres is awful. He has made somw good reads on check downs but he isn't very accurate with his throws.

Well he must be one great son of a ##### at reading defenses then because he completed 19/30 being inaccurate. Those weren't short throws either... 9.7y/a. Can you name one great catch made be a receiver that bailed him out on a bad pass?

 

[BoltBacker]

Rivers needs to just shut up.

I have a feeling he will be pretty quiet next week.

Shhhhhhh.