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Garcon vs Haden (1 Viewer)
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Bronx Bomber
Footballguy
Im concerned about this as well. My thinking is that Garcon's game is just as much YAC on short routes as it is verical routes. Might have less big plays with Haden covering him but he should still be able to make plays on screens, quick slants, etc. and use his YAC to get big gains that way. Depends on options obviously but Im going to start him as a WR2.
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1) Garcon plays half the offensive snaps
1a) ^ Because of bad foot, so this is really two knocks
2) Kirk Cousins starting this week
3) Browns pass DEF has been lights out 2nd half of season (after Haden back from suspension, shocker)
That adds up to be sitting Garcon in two leagues for any decent option this week... Josh Gordon, Chris Givens, DX. I'm even gambling on Dez Bryant over Garcon.
1a) ^ Because of bad foot, so this is really two knocks
2) Kirk Cousins starting this week
3) Browns pass DEF has been lights out 2nd half of season (after Haden back from suspension, shocker)
That adds up to be sitting Garcon in two leagues for any decent option this week... Josh Gordon, Chris Givens, DX. I'm even gambling on Dez Bryant over Garcon.
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Warrior
Footballguy
Your second point is likely incorrect.
MAC_32
Footballguy
If RG3 starts you're probably starting Garcon. Stacked lineups may have a tougher call here though.
If RG3 does not start bench Garcon.
FWIW, games with Haden active
Philly (Vick) - 29/56 317 2 TD 4 INT 2 FUM, WR's produced but with 56 pass attempts it's easy to explain why
Cincy (Dalton) - 31/46 381 yds 3 TD 3 INT 1 FUM, AJ Green did his thing but most of the rest of the damage was done by Peerman and Gresham - Garcon is no AJ
Indy (Luck) - 16/29 184 yds 0 TD 0 INT 1 FUM, Wayne and Avery combined for 10/119
SD (Rivers) - 18/34 127 yds 0 TD 0 INT, no WR over 43 yds, note - weather was awful killing both passing games
Baltimore (Flacco) - 15/24 153 yds 1 TD 0 INT, Boldin and Torrey combined for 9/103/1
Pittsburgh (Batch) - 20/34 199 yds 0 TD 3 INT, Sanders led WR's with 5/75
Oakland (Carson) - 34/54 351 yds 2 TD 1 INT, like the other successful games above, volume play. A lot came in garbage time to the TE Myers and the one big play to Streater was a perfect pass in (surprisingly good) coverage vs. Skrine. Rest of WR's held in check
KC (Quinn) - 10/21 159 yds 0 TD 1 INT, once Bowe went out the offense fell apart, 2/3 of their production came on their first two drives
So, with RG3, reasonably expect 5/70 and a 40/60 shot at a TD. Decent WR2, preferably WR3. Chances of a TD greatly reduced with Cousins under center though, banking on a big play imho, playing with fire.
If RG3 does not start bench Garcon.
FWIW, games with Haden active
Philly (Vick) - 29/56 317 2 TD 4 INT 2 FUM, WR's produced but with 56 pass attempts it's easy to explain why
Cincy (Dalton) - 31/46 381 yds 3 TD 3 INT 1 FUM, AJ Green did his thing but most of the rest of the damage was done by Peerman and Gresham - Garcon is no AJ
Indy (Luck) - 16/29 184 yds 0 TD 0 INT 1 FUM, Wayne and Avery combined for 10/119
SD (Rivers) - 18/34 127 yds 0 TD 0 INT, no WR over 43 yds, note - weather was awful killing both passing games
Baltimore (Flacco) - 15/24 153 yds 1 TD 0 INT, Boldin and Torrey combined for 9/103/1
Pittsburgh (Batch) - 20/34 199 yds 0 TD 3 INT, Sanders led WR's with 5/75
Oakland (Carson) - 34/54 351 yds 2 TD 1 INT, like the other successful games above, volume play. A lot came in garbage time to the TE Myers and the one big play to Streater was a perfect pass in (surprisingly good) coverage vs. Skrine. Rest of WR's held in check
KC (Quinn) - 10/21 159 yds 0 TD 1 INT, once Bowe went out the offense fell apart, 2/3 of their production came on their first two drives
So, with RG3, reasonably expect 5/70 and a 40/60 shot at a TD. Decent WR2, preferably WR3. Chances of a TD greatly reduced with Cousins under center though, banking on a big play imho, playing with fire.
solorca
Footballguy
#1 is incorrect as well. He played 63 snaps last week, and is no longer being restricted to just half of the snaps as he was a few weeks ago.I've been debating him all week, as I have a number of options, all with warts of their own. I'm starting Brandon Marshall for sure (who I'm a little nervous about because of the Cutler injury and the fact he's playing the one team who shut him down). Other than that, I have to choose two of these guys...
Pierre Garcon
Michael Crabtree
Hakeem Nicks
Demarco Murray (one spot is a flex)
Stevie Johnson
Right now, I'm leaning toward Crabtree (Kaepernick loves him and the Patriots is a decent matchup) and Nicks if he plays.
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Canowupass
Footballguy
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Does anyone know why teams do this? What's the downside to having your best corner follow their best WR wherever he goes?
flc735
Footballguy
idk. oak did this with asomaga too. maybe there is a familiarity benefit to having one saftey always play next to the same CB and vice versa. maybe you single haiden and help him a little more by putting the best pass rusher on his same side...stuff like that
Does Garcon only play on one side, too, or does he move around? I think the latter but havent watched too closely.
flc735
Footballguy
i dont think any team locks thier WR to one side but i dont know for sure. i have to decide between garcon, d moore, austin and dhb this week. going with garcon as long as rg3 plays
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
The Colts did for years. I know that Wayne was always on the left and Garcon was always on the right. An overwhelming % of the plays. I think they did the same thing with Harrison on the right and Wayne on the left, but could have that backwards or could be misrecalling that one.
CBs are almost always better on one side of the field or the other. Partly due to familiarity, partly due to which leg is dominant (it's easier pivot in stride on your dominant leg, so a right-legged CB is better on the right side). Pretty much all starting NFL CBs can play both sides if they have to, and some CBs are particularly "ambidextrous". But in general, having your best CB shadow the other teams best WR means he'll be playing at less than 100% some of the time. That's why most teams play left and right side CBs. You have to be really confident that both the CB and the WR are so much better than their teammates for this tradeoff to be worth it.For example, the Patriots had Talib shadow AJ this week, but every other week, they've had him stay on the left side. Presumably that's because this was the first BB thought the opponent's WR1 was so much better than the other WRs that it warranted taking his best CB off his preferred side.
flc735
Footballguy
could that be a special circumstance because of the hurry up style of offense they play?
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
It was because they wanted Harrison/Garcon off the line in the flanker position.
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Warrior
Footballguy
It's not difficult. It's because they're better at covering to one side. That's like asking why pitchers only throw with one arm instead of switching it up and throwing with the other arm depending on the batter.Some are much better at switching than others.
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Hang 10
Footballguy
Because it's a team game and not just a buncha one on one matchups. Also, teams usually don't play man to man all game long.
dgreen
Footballguy
You can be off the line on the left or right.
