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That's not much of a threat. He will just be an independent who votes Republican and I think the GOP can live with that. Now if he and other like-minded individuals either stay home on election day or vote for some third party candidate, then it becomes a problem.
A local republican candidate here on Long Island got LAMBASTED by the Conservative Party because he, as Mayor, presided over same sex weddings. For political reasons, it's important for the Republican to have Conservative line support. Now, even though it was his lawful DUTY to perform the marriages, and even though many Republicans here are more accepting of same sex marriage than other regions, the Republicans took him OFF the ticket.
Huck is a Dominionist. They are the American version of the Taliban. He is in the minority. A loud minority but minority all the same and he must be freaking out over what the Catholic bishops have been saying today,
Laugh away. That is exactly what he and Bachmann and several other prominent GOPers are. They make it plain every time they open their mouths. They want everything to be Biblical law. But of course their version of it.
so what? The key is that they want these laws passed through democratic means, which means they need to persuade the majority to agree with them. They're not trying to use dictatorial means to bring this stuff about. They're not the Taliban.proninja said:He's right. Dominion theology/theonomy/reconstructionalism are the names used for the branch of conservative protestantism that believes the OT law is still binding and should be applied as civil law by today's magistrate, exemplified by Van Til, Rushdoony, and Bahnsen. It's a thing, and it's a thing that you may not even know about, but it's a thing that's absolutely affecting your worldview. So you should probably be a bit aware of it rather than just laugh it off.
I agree with most of this. Though I am not sure how nice Huck is as a man - he certainly has no respect for many Americans nor their equality.
if the majority of Americans, along with the courts, legalize gay marriage, what will Huck do? Will he call for rebellion, take to the streets, try and impose a fascist regime or support somebody who does? Of course not. He'll speak out, write editorials, raise money, and try to convince people that he's right about this- he will try to change minds, not try to force his opinions. And that's what I mean when I say he believes in freedom.
That is not belief in freedom. That is belief in democracy. They are not one and the same.
He believes and advocates for a society run by the rules of his version of the Bible. Philosophically he is just like the Taliban. And it isn't a huge move from philosophy to action once one has power.
You don't need to think you are denying freedom to do so. I could think god's will should be represented in law by denying interracial marriage. Im opposing freedom, regardless of what I may think.
Are you for real?
But they scare me on the social side Tim. I don't believe for one second that either of them would support choice and in fact if they had both houses we would immediately be back to the bad old days. I don't believe they would stand up for any religious minority other than Jews and we discussed that already. I do think they would take every step they could from using religious tests on judges to laws being passed to create this mythical past theological state. I sincerely believe that is their ultimate goal because they say so every chance they get.
\Opinon polls suggest it would pass a lot of places now. In fact the last poll I saw here in NC would reverse the last vote. I think Maine. Maryland and Washington were all voter approved.
Your fears are so irrational it is humorous. No way that Roe v. Wade is overturned. Even in eight years as President, no way he could stack the court to make one bit of difference. It is lunacy/ignorance to make any comparison to the Taliban.
Huckabee is a big government leftist who is very social conservative. I would consider Obama further left on economic policy, but Huck is pretty far to the left also.
No it's reality. And he doesn't have to stack the Supreme Court he already has the votes. Oh and those fears come from the stuff these folks say everyday. It is the same philosophy. Religious fundamentalism is religious fundamentalism no matter whose book you like. There is very little difference except our fundies don't have the power yet.
Out of curiosity, how many states would have voted to allow Blacks to vote even years after it became Federal law.
If you would articulate a point it would actually help communicate what the huck you are talking about.
I wasn't arguing, I was just asking for information. NCC answered, which I appreciate. - Thanks.
Are you only talking about a referendum, or passing by a state legislature? Either way, Wikipedia is your friend.
Thanks I was interested in either/or, referendum or state law (ie by vote, not by court decision). Looks like 12 by legislature or referendum. Good info, thanks.
I think it does now. But it didn't. And I think both sides are to blame for this. That's my point.
We've all been there, and it's okay just to say, "you know what, I didn't really think this through when I made my original point." It happens.
People didn't talk about the sanctity of marriage when the divorce rate was skyrocketing and the gays weren't asking for it. This is like the toy that neither kid was playing with, but when one of them wanted to use it, the other started crying saying that it's theirs and THEY wanted it.Henry Ford said:
Check out what was going on in the 70s and 80s, when no-fault divorce was being signed into law in the U.S. "Sanctity of marriage" was absolutely at the forefront of the discussion.
Hucklebee is not Dominionist. That has about as much merit as calling a Democratic candidate a Communist, probably less. The tin-foil hatters are coming out of the closet.proninja said:He's right. Dominion theology/theonomy/reconstructionalism are the names used for the branch of conservative protestantism that believes the OT law is still binding and should be applied as civil law by today's magistrate, exemplified by Van Til, Rushdoony, and Bahnsen. It's a thing, and it's a thing that you may not even know about, but it's a thing that's absolutely affecting your worldview. So you should probably be a bit aware of it rather than just laugh it off.jon_mx said:NCCommish said:
Sorry. Didn't realize you were going to be so literal. What I meant was that the main issue in America wasn't about the sanctity of marriage. For the past 3 Presidential Elections, gay marriage has been one of the main issues. I remember sitting at my gay friend's house back in 2012 and watching election coverage. He said, "It's a shame that gay marriage is a bigger issue than fixing our economy."
in 2004 there were several states that had banning gay marriage on the ballot. This was done deliberately, engineered by Karl Rove in order to energize the religious voters in battleground states. In 2008 there were less of these, but they included California's Prop 8 which resulted in the lawsuit that changed everything. By the time 2012 rolled around, public opinion had evolved on the issue, and Romney's advisors urged him not to mention it on the campaign trail- he rarely ever did.
Glad you've missed the entirety of my point. Congrats on that. As we all know, I'm very anti-gay. That point has been stated many times by me and is a proven fact.If only those pesky gays didn't want equal rights our economy could be soaring right now. Props to Sheik for having the courage to condemn them for having the audacity to ask for the same opportunities other Americans have.
