Gay marriage (1 Viewer)

[Maurile Tremblay]

As a Christian, I believe marriage was created by God to be between a man and a woman.

You're thinking of civil unions.

 

[Dickies]

So if god supports you, you can't be self-righteous?



This is like having a lap race on a mobius strip.

LMFAO :rotflmao:

 

[Mr. Z]

Actually, you are wrong here.  It has nothing to do with himself, but with the God that created us.  If you know anything at all about the Christian worldview, you will understand that we believe we are totally deprave and lean on God's mercy to save us.  It's not about us, but Him.

So if god supports you, you can't be self-righteous? This is like having a lap race on a mobius strip.

God doesn't "support" me and my beliefs. If not for Christ saving me and changing my life, I wouldn't believe much of what I currently believe. I take absolutely no credit for anything I believe. I certainly didn't come up with my own beliefs and then take a look at the bible and see what it said. Not sure how that can be self-righteous.

If you're not responsible for any of your decisions, I trust you don't hold anyone else responsible for theirs.

There is a difference between being responsible for my decisions and taking credit for what I believe. A BIG difference.

 

[Mr. Z]

As a Christian, I believe marriage was created by God to be between a man and a woman.

You're thinking of civil unions.

 

[shuke]

You still have not given a rational answer as to why you find it okay for two atheists to use the word marriage, when this word is obviously deemed so sacred by the Christians blah blah blah.I stand by my analysis: your argument basically boils down to what was deemed "right" when the country was founded.

As a Christian, I believe marriage was created by God to be between a man and a woman. I have no problem with non-Christians using the word "marriage" when it is between a man and a woman. I DO have a problem with non-Christians getting married in churches or athiests making vows before God.

Guess what people, atheists don't give a #### what "God intended" or what you think God wanted in marriage. How can you be okay with this?

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

The God of Christianity says that homosexuality is sin.  Therefore a follower of Christianity should feel that homosexual marriage is wrong.  Where is the inconsistency there?

There's nothing inconsistent with feeling it's wrong, just as there's nothing wrong with feeling that adultery is wrong. But that's not what we're arguing about. The inconsistency comes up when you say "the god of Christianity says that homosexuality is a sin, therefore I think there should be laws that limit the rights of homosexuals".

So I shouldn't desire that the laws of my country reflect what I believe is right?

No, you should respect other people's liberty. The selfish desire that everyone play by our rules is one most of us shed as children. If you have not yet realized that interpersonal relationships thrive when there is an unspoken, mutual understanding that we are all different, you are not only self-righteous, but tyrannical in your own private way.And I respect your right to be such.

But the problem here is that you are judging my motivation. Couldn't it be that because I truly feel that this is destructive behavior and an affront to God that I desire this law not to be changed? Not as much so I can have things "my way" but because I feel that everyone would actually be better off?Now you may feel that I am incorrect in my thinking, but don't make the mistake of pretending to understand my motivation.

The Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and Judicial Branch are there to protect us from the Tyrany of the Majority whom think things would be better off their way.

 

[bueno]

So if god supports you, you can't be self-righteous?



This is like having a lap race on a mobius strip.

LMFAO :rotflmao:

Exactly why I bailed on this thread - it has completely degenerated into the two extreme camps.

 

[shuke]

...because it fits the criterion ordained (as most religious people would argue) by God even though it does not truely meet the criterion built by God which would not only involve the union of man to woman but would also include the purpose of this religion to further glorify God.I think most let it slide because it at least meets half of the criteria.

Well that's just silly.

 

[larry_boy_44]

...because it fits the criterion ordained (as most religious people would argue) by God even though it does not truely meet the criterion built by God which would not only involve the union of man to woman but would also include the purpose of this religion to further glorify God.I think most let it slide because it at least meets half of the criteria.

Well that's just silly.

why because you don't agree??

 

[Mr. Z]

You still have not given a rational answer as to why you find it okay for two atheists to use the word marriage, when this word is obviously deemed so sacred by the Christians blah blah blah.I stand by my analysis: your argument basically boils down to what was deemed "right" when the country was founded.

As a Christian, I believe marriage was created by God to be between a man and a woman. I have no problem with non-Christians using the word "marriage" when it is between a man and a woman. I DO have a problem with non-Christians getting married in churches or athiests making vows before God.

Guess what people, atheists don't give a #### what "God intended" or what you think God wanted in marriage. How can you be okay with this?

How can I be okay with what? That atheists don't care about God? Actually, I'm not okay with it. It grieves me because I know what they are missing out on.Take a minute and analyze the situation from outside of your own worldview. You feel passionately about allowing it because you see nothing wrong with it. That is your worldview. I feel passionately against it because I believe that homosexual acts are sinful behavior. I believe our nation will be judged according to what it allows and what it deems okay. That is my worldview. We can both argue that the other's viewpoint is wrong or illogical and that our own is right. Where would that get us?

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

You still have not given a rational answer as to why you find it okay for two atheists to use the word marriage, when this word is obviously deemed so sacred by the Christians blah blah blah.I stand by my analysis: your argument basically boils down to what was deemed "right" when the country was founded.

As a Christian, I believe marriage was created by God to be between a man and a woman. I have no problem with non-Christians using the word "marriage" when it is between a man and a woman. I DO have a problem with non-Christians getting married in churches or athiests making vows before God.

Guess what people, atheists don't give a #### what "God intended" or what you think God wanted in marriage. How can you be okay with this?

Which is exactly why I find it so baffling that gays or atrheists wiould want to get married in the first place. I understand they want the legal benefits, but what exactly does the term marriage give tem? Obviously, if you are an atheist you deny the existence of God and have no need of him through a religious service...so why not go to JoP and get hitched.Except in a few relkiggions, homosexuality is not an accepted pracxtice, so why would a gay person want a religion that does not appreciate their lifestyle approving of their marriage? If it is not the religious approval you are looking for, then why not go the route of governmental approval via civil union?Another thing, don't complain because you cxompany doesn't offer you the same benefits as married people. Your job is not an entitlement. If you don't like the conditions, find a job elsewhere. This is true activism. If enough people pursued this angle, maybe gay benefits would increase.

 

[CrossEyed]

You still have not given a rational answer as to why you find it okay for two atheists to use the word marriage, when this word is obviously deemed so sacred by the Christians blah blah blah.I stand by my analysis: your argument basically boils down to what was deemed "right" when the country was founded.

As a Christian, I believe marriage was created by God to be between a man and a woman. I have no problem with non-Christians using the word "marriage" when it is between a man and a woman. I DO have a problem with non-Christians getting married in churches or athiests making vows before God.

Guess what people, atheists don't give a #### what "God intended" or what you think God wanted in marriage. How can you be okay with this?

How can I be okay with what? That atheists don't care about God? Actually, I'm not okay with it. It grieves me because I know what they are missing out on.Take a minute and analyze the situation from outside of your own worldview. You feel passionately about allowing it because you see nothing wrong with it. That is your worldview. I feel passionately against it because I believe that homosexual acts are sinful behavior. I believe our nation will be judged according to what it allows and what it deems okay. That is my worldview. We can both argue that the other's viewpoint is wrong or illogical and that ours is right. Where would that get us?

15 pages into a Gay Marriage thread, that's where.

 

[Mr. Z]

You still have not given a rational answer as to why you find it okay for two atheists to use the word marriage, when this word is obviously deemed so sacred by the Christians blah blah blah.I stand by my analysis: your argument basically boils down to what was deemed "right" when the country was founded.

As a Christian, I believe marriage was created by God to be between a man and a woman. I have no problem with non-Christians using the word "marriage" when it is between a man and a woman. I DO have a problem with non-Christians getting married in churches or athiests making vows before God.

Guess what people, atheists don't give a #### what "God intended" or what you think God wanted in marriage. How can you be okay with this?

How can I be okay with what? That atheists don't care about God? Actually, I'm not okay with it. It grieves me because I know what they are missing out on.Take a minute and analyze the situation from outside of your own worldview. You feel passionately about allowing it because you see nothing wrong with it. That is your worldview. I feel passionately against it because I believe that homosexual acts are sinful behavior. I believe our nation will be judged according to what it allows and what it deems okay. That is my worldview. We can both argue that the other's viewpoint is wrong or illogical and that ours is right. Where would that get us?

15 pages into a Gay Marriage thread, that's where.

:rotflmao:

 

[Dickies]

You still have not given a rational answer as to why you find it okay for two atheists to use the word marriage, when this word is obviously deemed so sacred by the Christians blah blah blah.I stand by my analysis: your argument basically boils down to what was deemed "right" when the country was founded.

As a Christian, I believe marriage was created by God to be between a man and a woman. I have no problem with non-Christians using the word "marriage" when it is between a man and a woman. I DO have a problem with non-Christians getting married in churches or athiests making vows before God.

Guess what people, atheists don't give a #### what "God intended" or what you think God wanted in marriage. How can you be okay with this?

How can I be okay with what? That atheists don't care about God? Actually, I'm not okay with it. It grieves me because I know what they are missing out on.Take a minute and analyze the situation from outside of your own worldview. You feel passionately about allowing it because you see nothing wrong with it. That is your worldview. I feel passionately against it because I believe that homosexual acts are sinful behavior. I believe our nation will be judged according to what it allows and what it deems okay. That is my worldview. We can both argue that the other's viewpoint is wrong or illogical and that our own is right. Where would that get us?

I used to be a Christian....... I'm not missing out on much.

 

[CrossEyed]

You still have not given a rational answer as to why you find it okay for two atheists to use the word marriage, when this word is obviously deemed so sacred by the Christians blah blah blah.I stand by my analysis: your argument basically boils down to what was deemed "right" when the country was founded.

As a Christian, I believe marriage was created by God to be between a man and a woman. I have no problem with non-Christians using the word "marriage" when it is between a man and a woman. I DO have a problem with non-Christians getting married in churches or athiests making vows before God.

Guess what people, atheists don't give a #### what "God intended" or what you think God wanted in marriage. How can you be okay with this?

How can I be okay with what? That atheists don't care about God? Actually, I'm not okay with it. It grieves me because I know what they are missing out on.Take a minute and analyze the situation from outside of your own worldview. You feel passionately about allowing it because you see nothing wrong with it. That is your worldview. I feel passionately against it because I believe that homosexual acts are sinful behavior. I believe our nation will be judged according to what it allows and what it deems okay. That is my worldview. We can both argue that the other's viewpoint is wrong or illogical and that our own is right. Where would that get us?

I used to be a Christian....... I'm not missing out on much.

No, you didn't.

 

[MelvinTScupper]

who's the hypocrite?

The only moral belief I'm forcing on you is "don't be a bigot". It's like the 'intolerant of intolerance' paradox.If I was trying to pass legislation that Christians shouldn't be allowed to vote, then you can call me a hypocrite.

it doesn't matter, by forcing a moral belief on me, you are being a hypocrite and a bigot yourself...and I don't HATE ANYONE!!!!DO YOU NOT LISTEN?!?!

which moral belief is he attempting to force on you again?

 

[larry_boy_44]

who's the hypocrite?

The only moral belief I'm forcing on you is "don't be a bigot". It's like the 'intolerant of intolerance' paradox.If I was trying to pass legislation that Christians shouldn't be allowed to vote, then you can call me a hypocrite.

it doesn't matter, by forcing a moral belief on me, you are being a hypocrite and a bigot yourself...and I don't HATE ANYONE!!!!DO YOU NOT LISTEN?!?!

which moral belief is he attempting to force on you again?

the one that says that there are no morals...lack of morals is still a moral belief

 

[Mr. Z]

I used to be a Christian....... I'm not missing out on much.

Not trying to hijack this thread, so we could discuss this outside of this forum, but I would argue that you weren't a Christian. You may have thought you were, but you can't "used to be" a Christian. You can't undo something you had nothing to do with. God chooses you, not the other way around.

 

[Dickies]

You still have not given a rational answer as to why you find it okay for two atheists to use the word marriage, when this word is obviously deemed so sacred by the Christians blah blah blah.I stand by my analysis: your argument basically boils down to what was deemed "right" when the country was founded.

As a Christian, I believe marriage was created by God to be between a man and a woman. I have no problem with non-Christians using the word "marriage" when it is between a man and a woman. I DO have a problem with non-Christians getting married in churches or athiests making vows before God.

Guess what people, atheists don't give a #### what "God intended" or what you think God wanted in marriage. How can you be okay with this?

How can I be okay with what? That atheists don't care about God? Actually, I'm not okay with it. It grieves me because I know what they are missing out on.Take a minute and analyze the situation from outside of your own worldview. You feel passionately about allowing it because you see nothing wrong with it. That is your worldview. I feel passionately against it because I believe that homosexual acts are sinful behavior. I believe our nation will be judged according to what it allows and what it deems okay. That is my worldview. We can both argue that the other's viewpoint is wrong or illogical and that our own is right. Where would that get us?

I used to be a Christian....... I'm not missing out on much.

No, you didn't.

Who are you to say that? I was born and raised a Christian. I went to church at least twice a week and I truely believed in everything that was being said to me. Through a series of events, I realized how phony it all was, and I didn't feel I should be a part of it anymore.

 

[Jericho]

who's the hypocrite?

The only moral belief I'm forcing on you is "don't be a bigot". It's like the 'intolerant of intolerance' paradox.If I was trying to pass legislation that Christians shouldn't be allowed to vote, then you can call me a hypocrite.

it doesn't matter, by forcing a moral belief on me, you are being a hypocrite and a bigot yourself...and I don't HATE ANYONE!!!!DO YOU NOT LISTEN?!?!

No, I'm really not. This is always the cry of the persecuted bigot, but it's a false counter, despite the outwards appearance of paradox.If I say " I want you to believe that people shouldn't try to force their beliefs on people", that's not inherently contradictory. Just like there's an inherent difference between murdering somebody in cold blood and a government executing a murderer, despite the outward appearance of them both being an act of taking a life.But nice try.Oh, and yes, you do hate. Maybe not actively, but your anti-homosexual preaching is a form of hate literature. It's passive hate. It creates feelings of being hated despite no active attempt to hate.

 

[CrossEyed]

I used to be a Christian....... I'm not missing out on much.

Not trying to hijack this thread, so we could discuss this outside of this forum, but I would argue that you weren't a Christian. You may have thought you were, but you can't "used to be" a Christian. You can't undo something you had nothing to do with. God chooses you, not the other way around.

Oh no you don't. We will not discuss Calvinism in this thread.

 

[popeye]

So if god supports you, you can't be self-righteous?



This is like having a lap race on a mobius strip.

LMFAO :rotflmao:

Exactly why I bailed on this thread - it has completely degenerated into the two extreme camps.

I'm here as well.

 

[Sack-Religious]

...because it fits the criterion ordained (as most religious people would argue) by God even though it does not truely meet the criterion built by God which would not only involve the union of man to woman but would also include the purpose of this religion to further glorify God.I think most let it slide because it at least meets half of the criteria.

So if a minister ordained a gay marriage for the glory of God in a religion that allowed it, would you let it slide because it meets half of the criteria set down by your religion? No need to answer, because we already know the reason.I think that most people who support gay marriage absolute DO NOT support the government forcing a particular religion to honor it. That would infringe upon religious freedom.I honestly think most people do not understand the reasoning behind the need to use the term marriage. Civil Unions are not recognized in many states. A marriage recognized in one state is recognized by every state. From a legal stand point it is easier to amend the term marriage than it is to amend the Constitution or individual state constitutions.

 

[CrossEyed]

You still have not given a rational answer as to why you find it okay for two atheists to use the word marriage, when this word is obviously deemed so sacred by the Christians blah blah blah.I stand by my analysis: your argument basically boils down to what was deemed "right" when the country was founded.

As a Christian, I believe marriage was created by God to be between a man and a woman. I have no problem with non-Christians using the word "marriage" when it is between a man and a woman. I DO have a problem with non-Christians getting married in churches or athiests making vows before God.

Guess what people, atheists don't give a #### what "God intended" or what you think God wanted in marriage. How can you be okay with this?

How can I be okay with what? That atheists don't care about God? Actually, I'm not okay with it. It grieves me because I know what they are missing out on.Take a minute and analyze the situation from outside of your own worldview. You feel passionately about allowing it because you see nothing wrong with it. That is your worldview. I feel passionately against it because I believe that homosexual acts are sinful behavior. I believe our nation will be judged according to what it allows and what it deems okay. That is my worldview. We can both argue that the other's viewpoint is wrong or illogical and that our own is right. Where would that get us?

I used to be a Christian....... I'm not missing out on much.

No, you didn't.

Who are you to say that? I was born and raised a Christian. I went to church at least twice a week and I truely believed in everything that was being said to me. Through a series of events, I realized how phony it all was, and I didn't feel I should be a part of it anymore.

Then you were never a Christian.I was raised Roman Catholic. I went to mass twice a week, attended Catholic school, the whole nine yards. I proclaimed to be a Christian but knew nothing about a relationship with Jesus Christ. I would have argued all day long with you that I was a Christian.Then when I was 32 God truly saved me. He changed my heart and made me a new creation. There is no going back from that.

 

[MelvinTScupper]

who's the hypocrite?

The only moral belief I'm forcing on you is "don't be a bigot". It's like the 'intolerant of intolerance' paradox.If I was trying to pass legislation that Christians shouldn't be allowed to vote, then you can call me a hypocrite.

it doesn't matter, by forcing a moral belief on me, you are being a hypocrite and a bigot yourself...and I don't HATE ANYONE!!!!DO YOU NOT LISTEN?!?!

which moral belief is he attempting to force on you again?

the one that says that there are no morals...lack of morals is still a moral belief

lol[seinfeld]You are a circular talker[/seinfeld]

 

[Jericho]

who's the hypocrite?

The only moral belief I'm forcing on you is "don't be a bigot". It's like the 'intolerant of intolerance' paradox.If I was trying to pass legislation that Christians shouldn't be allowed to vote, then you can call me a hypocrite.

it doesn't matter, by forcing a moral belief on me, you are being a hypocrite and a bigot yourself...and I don't HATE ANYONE!!!!DO YOU NOT LISTEN?!?!

which moral belief is he attempting to force on you again?

That he shouldn't force beliefs on others.

 

[pantagrapher]

So if god supports you, you can't be self-righteous?



This is like having a lap race on a mobius strip.

LMFAO :rotflmao:

Exactly why I bailed on this thread - it has completely degenerated into the two extreme camps.

I should have known better.

 

[Mr. Z]

You still have not given a rational answer as to why you find it okay for two atheists to use the word marriage, when this word is obviously deemed so sacred by the Christians blah blah blah.I stand by my analysis: your argument basically boils down to what was deemed "right" when the country was founded.

As a Christian, I believe marriage was created by God to be between a man and a woman. I have no problem with non-Christians using the word "marriage" when it is between a man and a woman. I DO have a problem with non-Christians getting married in churches or athiests making vows before God.

Guess what people, atheists don't give a #### what "God intended" or what you think God wanted in marriage. How can you be okay with this?

How can I be okay with what? That atheists don't care about God? Actually, I'm not okay with it. It grieves me because I know what they are missing out on.Take a minute and analyze the situation from outside of your own worldview. You feel passionately about allowing it because you see nothing wrong with it. That is your worldview. I feel passionately against it because I believe that homosexual acts are sinful behavior. I believe our nation will be judged according to what it allows and what it deems okay. That is my worldview. We can both argue that the other's viewpoint is wrong or illogical and that our own is right. Where would that get us?

I used to be a Christian....... I'm not missing out on much.

No, you didn't.

Who are you to say that? I was born and raised a Christian. I went to church at least twice a week and I truely believed in everything that was being said to me. Through a series of events, I realized how phony it all was, and I didn't feel I should be a part of it anymore.

You can't be born a Christian. Church-going doesn't make you a Christian. Even the demons of hell believe in Christ. What makes you a Christian is believing that Christ died on the cross to pay the penalty for your sins. You trust in Him alone for your salvation. It's God's grace alone that saves you, it is not your birth-right or your own doing.

 

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[larry_boy_44]

No, I'm really not. This is always the cry of the persecuted bigot, but it's a false counter, despite the outwards appearance of paradox.If I say " I want you to believe that people shouldn't try to force their beliefs on people", that's not inherently contradictory. Just like there's an inherent difference between murdering somebody in cold blood and a government executing a murderer, despite the outward appearance of them both being an act of taking a life.But nice try.Oh, and yes, you do hate. Maybe not actively, but your anti-homosexual preaching is a form of hate literature. It's passive hate. It creates feelings of being hated despite no active attempt to hate.

oh my...I DON'T CARE IF SOMEONE IS GAY OR NOT!!I DON'T CARE IF THEY CAN GET MARRIED OR NOT!!I DON'T CARE IF THEY WANNA GO HAVE SEX WITH EVERYONE THEY KNOW OR NOT!!I DON'T CARE BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN ITS STILL NOT WRONG!!!!!!do you not listen? Are you really this stupid? Seriously... what the heck is wrong with you? Do you not read anything? You are so smug an self-righteous that you refuse to look at anything but what you say and if someone doesn't think EXACTLY like you, they are obviously wrong, bigots, and arrogant, self-righteous fools...when really, the only arrogant, self-righteous fool is you...you don't care what others think or believe or want... they are obviously wrong if they don't agree with you...you are the perfect view of a dogmatic... there is NOTHING that could ever happen that could even convince you to consider the toher argument... no matter what I or anyone else says that is opposite you, you dismiss it offhand, you don't even consider it...then you start insulting people, getting self-righteous, acting like we are being bigots and we are hateful, when really, it is you who is hateful...I don't hate gay people...They can live thier lives however they choose to... BUT if I was asked by a friend (or anyone else) what God thought of it, I woudl tell them taht they are sinning and will go to hell if they continue to do so...end of story...I still love the person (platonically)... I still hope that they do make it to heaven, for my desire is for no one to go to hell... but the fact of the matter is, that there will be people in hell, and those people will have done sins on earth and not repented of them and that is what got them there...I don't hate anyone... honestly, I really believe I love everyone... I want everyone to be saved...I probably have more gay friends than you do... I know for a fact I have more gay/bi/x-gay/x-bi friends than you do... heck, I'm dating a girl who was bi for a long time, and I plan on marrying her...but what do I know about how I feel? I mean, you obviously know everything, including how I feel and think...

 

[larry_boy_44]

...because it fits the criterion ordained (as most religious people would argue) by God even though it does not truely meet the criterion built by God which would not only involve the union of man to woman but would also include the purpose of this religion to further glorify God.I think most let it slide because it at least meets half of the criteria.

So if a minister ordained a gay marriage for the glory of God in a religion that allowed it, would you let it slide because it meets half of the criteria set down by your religion? No need to answer, because we already know the reason.I think that most people who support gay marriage absolute DO NOT support the government forcing a particular religion to honor it. That would infringe upon religious freedom.I honestly think most people do not understand the reasoning behind the need to use the term marriage. Civil Unions are not recognized in many states. A marriage recognized in one state is recognized by every state. From a legal stand point it is easier to amend the term marriage than it is to amend the Constitution or individual state constitutions.

IF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT LEGALIZES GAY CIVIL UNIONS ALL THE STATES WILL RECOGNIZE THEM!!do you not read anything that is said? I've said that like 3 times TODAY ALONE!!!

 

[Sack-Religious]

...because it fits the criterion ordained  (as most religious people would argue) by God even though it does not truely meet the criterion built by God which would not only involve the union of man to woman but would also include the purpose of this religion to further glorify God.I think most let it slide because it at least meets half of the criteria.

So if a minister ordained a gay marriage for the glory of God in a religion that allowed it, would you let it slide because it meets half of the criteria set down by your religion? No need to answer, because we already know the reason.I think that most people who support gay marriage absolute DO NOT support the government forcing a particular religion to honor it. That would infringe upon religious freedom.I honestly think most people do not understand the reasoning behind the need to use the term marriage. Civil Unions are not recognized in many states. A marriage recognized in one state is recognized by every state. From a legal stand point it is easier to amend the term marriage than it is to amend the Constitution or individual state constitutions.

IF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT LEGALIZES GAY CIVIL UNIONS ALL THE STATES WILL RECOGNIZE THEM!!do you not read anything that is said? I've said that like 3 times TODAY ALONE!!!

Larry,I am responding to a different poster, not you. Maybe it is you that needs to read what is being written.Not sure why you think this was directed towards you.

 

[Dickies]

You can't be born a Christian. Church-going doesn't make you a Christian. Even the demons of hell believe in Christ. What makes you a Christian is believing that Christ died on the cross to pay the penalty for your sins. You trust in Him alone for your salvation. It's God's grace alone that saves you, it is not your birth-right or your own doing.

not that I want to debate this because I really don't care. But all those things you say you need to believe to be a Christian, I believed. I was then shown why it is a phony operation run by a bunch of loons and I jumped ship.

 

[larry_boy_44]

...because it fits the criterion ordained  (as most religious people would argue) by God even though it does not truely meet the criterion built by God which would not only involve the union of man to woman but would also include the purpose of this religion to further glorify God.I think most let it slide because it at least meets half of the criteria.

So if a minister ordained a gay marriage for the glory of God in a religion that allowed it, would you let it slide because it meets half of the criteria set down by your religion? No need to answer, because we already know the reason.I think that most people who support gay marriage absolute DO NOT support the government forcing a particular religion to honor it. That would infringe upon religious freedom.I honestly think most people do not understand the reasoning behind the need to use the term marriage. Civil Unions are not recognized in many states. A marriage recognized in one state is recognized by every state. From a legal stand point it is easier to amend the term marriage than it is to amend the Constitution or individual state constitutions.

IF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT LEGALIZES GAY CIVIL UNIONS ALL THE STATES WILL RECOGNIZE THEM!!do you not read anything that is said? I've said that like 3 times TODAY ALONE!!!

Larry,I am responding to a different poster, not you. Maybe it is you that needs to read what is being written.Not sure why you think this was directed towards you.

why is the same argument reapetadly being said though?seriously?we have all heard this stuff, yet, every 5 posts say "if one state allows civil unions the other don't have to follow it"no one is talking about states anymore...we're all waiting for hte FEDERAL governmnet to rule on gay marriage/civil unions/etc...the states are just trying to look like they really matter and we all know it...so why can't we go a page without someone repeating that the states will not recognize it when really, we are waiting for the federal government to rule on this?If we weren't waiting for the feds to do it, why is it a campaign issue int he Presedential election?

 

[Jericho]

when really, the only arrogant, self-righteous fool is you...

No, not the only one, but it's a fair description. But being arrogant and self-righteour doesn't necessarily make me wrong, just as it doesn't necessarily make you wrong. That's why I'm presenting my case in a pretty clear and straightforward manner instead of dancing around. I wish you'd do that same.Before we continue, I'd like you to answer Maxwell's question:

Larry,This is a serious question, not backhanded comment. The term marriage is used both in a legal sense and a religious sense. I would think we would agree on at least that much. Here is my question: How does the use of the term marriage negatively impact/infringe your rights as a citizen of the United States? I am trying to understand your position.

 

[CrossEyed]

You can't be born a Christian. Church-going doesn't make you a Christian. Even the demons of hell believe in Christ. What makes you a Christian is believing that Christ died on the cross to pay the penalty for your sins. You trust in Him alone for your salvation. It's God's grace alone that saves you, it is not your birth-right or your own doing.

not that I want to debate this because I really don't care. But all those things you say you need to believe to be a Christian, I believed. I was then shown why it is a phony operation run by a bunch of loons and I jumped ship.

A true Christian doesn't focus on the people, he focuses on Christ.

 

[Mr. Z]

You can't be born a Christian.  Church-going doesn't make you a Christian.  Even the demons of hell believe in Christ.  What makes you a Christian is believing that Christ died on the cross to pay the penalty for your sins.  You trust in Him alone for your salvation.  It's God's grace alone that saves you, it is not your birth-right or your own doing.

not that I want to debate this because I really don't care. But all those things you say you need to believe to be a Christian, I believed. I was then shown why it is a phony operation run by a bunch of loons and I jumped ship.

A true Christian doesn't focus on the people, he focuses on Christ.

It's not about the religious institution or the people in your church. It is about Christ.

 

[Sister Havana]

All for it. Granted this subject hits close to home, since my sister and her partner had a commitment ceremony in 2001. (It was a beautiful ceremony, actually.) I fail to see how that threatens traditional marriage but Darva and Rick, JLo, and Britney Spears don't. None of my family members feel that their marriage has been threatened because of that.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

From a legal stand point it is easier to amend the term marriage than it is to amend the Constitution or individual state constitutions.

Larry, as usual, you missed his point.

 

[gdub]

This thread would be a whole lot better if there were some gay footballguys to help us understand why gays want to get married. Tax breaks, validation of being gay, hell i don't know.

 

[larry_boy_44]

when really, the only arrogant, self-righteous fool is you...

No, not the only one, but it's a fair description. But being arrogant and self-righteour doesn't necessarily make me wrong, just as it doesn't necessarily make you wrong. That's why I'm presenting my case in a pretty clear and straightforward manner instead of dancing around. I wish you'd do that same.Before we continue, I'd like you to answer Maxwell's question:

Larry,This is a serious question, not backhanded comment. The term marriage is used both in a legal sense and a religious sense. I would think we would agree on at least that much. Here is my question: How does the use of the term marriage negatively impact/infringe your rights as a citizen of the United States? I am trying to understand your position.

it doesn't infringe on my rights, because I don't care...it infringes on other people's rights because they hold marriage as a sacred vow between a man and a woman to live together for the rest of thier lives, to love, and honor, etc., etc...How does it infringe upon gay people allowing civil unions that act as marriage so that some people aren't offended and so everyone gets waht they want?again, I'll say it...if all they want is the tax breaks and the insurance stuff, they would accept civil unions...the reason they don't is because they want to force people to say that homosexuality is ok...that is what is next... making it illegal to think that homosexuality is wrong... its already that way in Canada, you can't say that homosexuality is a sin without going to jail...it will happen in America next, because they don't want equality, they want to force everyone to think like they do...

 

[Dickies]

You can't be born a Christian.  Church-going doesn't make you a Christian.  Even the demons of hell believe in Christ.  What makes you a Christian is believing that Christ died on the cross to pay the penalty for your sins.  You trust in Him alone for your salvation.  It's God's grace alone that saves you, it is not your birth-right or your own doing.

not that I want to debate this because I really don't care. But all those things you say you need to believe to be a Christian, I believed. I was then shown why it is a phony operation run by a bunch of loons and I jumped ship.

A true Christian doesn't focus on the people, he focuses on Christ.

you don't seem to listen very well. When I considered myself Christian, it was all about God. I didn't care about the people. NOW, I see how it runs. I gotta give them credit for the largest hoax in the history of the world though.I just think the concept of God to be unlikely, unproven, and unprovable.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

... its already that way in Canada, you can't say that homosexuality is a sin without going to jail...

Huh?

 

[Dickies]

when really, the only arrogant, self-righteous fool is you...

No, not the only one, but it's a fair description. But being arrogant and self-righteour doesn't necessarily make me wrong, just as it doesn't necessarily make you wrong. That's why I'm presenting my case in a pretty clear and straightforward manner instead of dancing around. I wish you'd do that same.Before we continue, I'd like you to answer Maxwell's question:

Larry,

This is a serious question, not backhanded comment. The term marriage is used both in a legal sense and a religious sense. I would think we would agree on at least that much. Here is my question:

How does the use of the term marriage negatively impact/infringe your rights as a citizen of the United States?

I am trying to understand your position.

it doesn't infringe on my rights, because I don't care...it infringes on other people's rights because they hold marriage as a sacred vow between a man and a woman to live together for the rest of thier lives, to love, and honor, etc., etc...

How does it infringe upon gay people allowing civil unions that act as marriage so that some people aren't offended and so everyone gets waht they want?

again, I'll say it...

if all they want is the tax breaks and the insurance stuff, they would accept civil unions...

the reason they don't is because they want to force people to say that homosexuality is ok...

that is what is next... making it illegal to think that homosexuality is wrong... its already that way in Canada, you can't say that homosexuality is a sin without going to jail...

it will happen in America next, because they don't want equality, they want to force everyone to think like they do...

Here is a ludicrous statement if I've ever heard one.

 

[Dickies]

... its already that way in Canada, you can't say that homosexuality is a sin without going to jail...

Huh?

creationists dude....

 

[larry_boy_44]

... its already that way in Canada, you can't say that homosexuality is a sin without going to jail...

Huh?

two ministers in Toronto, Canada were sent to jail last week for preaching that homosexuality was a sin...edited for spelling...

 

[Sack-Religious]

it doesn't infringe on my rights, because I don't care...it infringes on other people's rights because they hold marriage as a sacred vow between a man and a woman to live together for the rest of thier lives, to love, and honor, etc., etc...

Larry,Just looking for a clarification. What specific right, granted by the constitution is being infringed upon?I am honestly trying to get an understanding here, not trying to antagonize.

 

[CrossEyed]

You can't be born a Christian.  Church-going doesn't make you a Christian.  Even the demons of hell believe in Christ.  What makes you a Christian is believing that Christ died on the cross to pay the penalty for your sins.  You trust in Him alone for your salvation.  It's God's grace alone that saves you, it is not your birth-right or your own doing.

not that I want to debate this because I really don't care. But all those things you say you need to believe to be a Christian, I believed. I was then shown why it is a phony operation run by a bunch of loons and I jumped ship.

A true Christian doesn't focus on the people, he focuses on Christ.

you don't seem to listen very well. When I considered myself Christian, it was all about God. I didn't care about the people. NOW, I see how it runs. I gotta give them credit for the largest hoax in the history of the world though.I just think the concept of God to be unlikely, unproven, and unprovable.

Like I said, you never were a Christian.

 

[Peens]

All for it. Granted this subject hits close to home, since my sister and her partner had a commitment ceremony in 2001. (It was a beautiful ceremony, actually.)

I'm sure it was.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Like I said, you never were a Christian.

Is the Pope a Christian?