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There has to be more to that story. But to be fair I'd like to test that hypothesis.Jericho, please go outside and yell as loud as you possibly can (get a bullhorn if you have one handy), "HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SIN!!!!"Then come back and post what happens. We'll be waiting.
it might not infringe upon a right... like I said, I don't care...BUT my point is, that these people hold something sacred...that's like saying that it is no illigal to say the word "Jesus" and that must be replaced with some new word that is homogenous and would reflect beliefs in any god of the hearer's choosing...
With the way he dresses, I'm sure you don't mean Christian Dior.
no..but I don't think any Catholics are Christians...but that's for another topic... lol
Why do you get to decide who is/was a Christian? It sounds to me like he was a Christian.
there might be... but what could they have possibly done?not let a gay man be the head of a department in the church?seriously...its not like they attacked a gay guy or something... they just preached that it was wrong...
Huh, I say, huh?
the person saying that believes in Calvinism (I think its Calvinism)...basically that's saying that those who are saved were chosen by God before time and the rest of people are damned no matter what they do...actually, that's a slightly off definition...realy its just saying that if you are truly saved you can't backslide and stopping believing shows taht you were never really a Chrsitian...
I'm sure this will come as a shock to him.
Be careful about answering for others, Larry. I am not a Calvinist.
The fact that you just don't get this confirms that you aren't and never were a Christian. It's not a change of mind, it's a change of heart.
I have no idea, I've never spoken with the pope.Edited to add: Unlike Larry, I do believe that Catholics can be true Christians.
So let's follow this a little further.If nobody's rights are being infringed upon by allowing it, then the sole basis for not using the word marriage is that it contradicts the beliefs of specific religions.The use of the word marriage does not infringe upon the religious beliefs of others. Regardless of whether the term marriage is used or not, the beliefs of Christians will remain unaffected. Homosexuality will still be a sin in their eyes.
I'm more concerned with how the bible defines it, not dictionary.com.The bible says in order to be saved (i.e., a Christian) you must confess your sins to God and trust in Christ's atonement for your sin by His death on the cross and subsequent resurrection to pay the penalty for your sin.
That answers the question well enough. You and Larry evidently have extremely non-standard definitions of the word "Christian."
#5 shows me that they don't get it either. Showing love and being humane is a result of being a Christian, not a definition of it. This would imply that only Christians have the ability to be humane.
To me, Christianity is a spiritual condition, not a social one.
I agree, Ken. What Larry isn't recognizing is that allowing gay marriage isn't taking away his beliefs. He is still able to believe all the things that he believes about marriage and live his life in accordance with those beliefs. He should also recognize that if he truly doesn't care what gays do that if the government allows them to be married it is in no way forcing him to change his definition of what marriage means to him. Athiests getting married violates his definition but he is still able to hold his beliefs. Nothing is saying he has to change his beliefs, all they are saying is that his personal beliefs based upon the religious definition of marriage should not be allowed to affect how the government defines marriage since there is separation of church and state and that people of all religions, or lack thereof have the right to the institution of marriage.
yes it does.no, it doesn'tthese threads never change. It always boils down to:"yes, it is""no, it isn't""yes, it is"
Sorry. I'll start posting more.
And more importantly, does he #### in the woods?
Which is exactly my point. That a "dictionary" does not provide an all encompassing definition. And, yes, the dictionary does say such a thing... gay ( P ) Pronunciation Key (g)
Mormonism1) The true gospel was lost from the earth. Mormonism is its restoration, Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 182-185 2) We need prophets today, the same as in the Old Testament, Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 444-445 3) The book of Mormon is more correct than the Bible, History of the Church, 4:461. 4) If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation. There is no salvation [the context is the full gospel including exaltation to Godhood] outside the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Mormon Doctrine, p. 670. 5) There are many gods, Mormon Doctrine, p. 163. 6) There is a mother god, Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 443. 7) God used to be a man on another planet, Mormon Doctrine, p. 321. Joseph Smith, Times and Seasons, Vol 5, pp. 613-614; Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, Vol 2, p. 345, Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 333. 8) After you become a good Mormon, you have the potential of becoming a god, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pages 345-347, 354. 9) God the Father had a Father, Joseph Smith, History of the Church, vol. 6, p. 476; Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses, vol. 5, p. 19; Milton Hunter, First Council of the Seventy, Gospel through the Ages, p. 104-105. 10) God resides near a star called Kolob, Pearl of Great Price, pages 34-35; Mormon Doctrine, p. 428. 11) God the Father has a body of flesh and bones, Doctrine and Covenants, 130:22. 12) God is in the form of a man, Joseph Smith, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 3. 13) God is married to his goddess wife and has spirit children, Mormon Doctrine p. 516. 14) We were first begotten as spirit children in heaven and then born naturally on earth, Journal of Discourse, Vol. 4, p. 218. 15) The first spirit to be born in heaven was Jesus, Mormon Doctrine, page 129. 16) The Devil was born as a spirit after Jesus "in the morning of pre-existence," Mormon Doctrine, page 192. 17) Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers and we were all born as siblings in heaven to them both, Mormon Doctrine, p. 163. 18) A plan of salvation was needed for the people of earth so Jesus offered a plan to the father and Satan offered a plan to the father but Jesus' plan was accepted. In effect the Devil wanted to be the Savior of all Mankind and to "deny men their agency and to dethrone god." Mormon Doctrine, page 193; Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, page 8. 19) God had sexual relations with Mary to make the body of Jesus, Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 4, p. 218, 1857; vol. 8, p. 115. - This one is disputed among many Mormons and not always 'officially' taught and believed. Nevertheless, Young, the 2nd prophet of the Mormon church taught it. 20) Jesus' sacrifice was not able to cleanse us from all our sins, (murder and repeated adultery are exceptions), Journal of Discourses, Vol. 3, p. 247, 1856. 21) Good works are necessary for salvation, Articles of Faith, p. 92. 22) There is no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith as a prophet of God, Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 1, p. 188. 23) Baptism for the dead, Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. II, p. 141. This is a practice of baptizing each other in place of non-Mormons who are now dead. Their belief is that in the afterlife, the "newly baptized" person will be able to enter into a higher level of Mormon heaven. 24) There are three levels of heaven: telestial, terrestrial, and celestial, Mormon Doctrine, p. 348. 25) The Holy Ghost is a male personage, A Marvelous Work and a Wonder, by Le Grand Richards, Salt Lake City, 1956, page 118; Journal of Discources, Vol. 5, page 179 You think this is Christianity?And no, I never said anything about Catholicism.
What is 'exactly your point.' The dictionary goes out of its way to provide all-encompassing definitions. Sometimes multiples. Sometimes they are related, sometimes not.Here, it's saying that sometimes 'gay' refers to people who prefer to bugger others with the same equipment they have, sometimes it refers to a state of happiness, and sometimes it refers to somebody morally corrupt.
Sorry.
couldn't find one... my pastor was talking about it on Sunday... the orginazation sent our church an e-mail about it...I looked it up, couldn't find anything about it...not that I would think the media would actually report it... }=O(
Yes they would.
It got moved to the "Are Mormons Christians" thread.
