I agree with everything you just said.17seconds said:I don't think it's an f-you. More like.. um, you know who our news guy is, right?rockaction said:Yeah, I think most of the politicos on here knew. My point is that him giving to their charity isn't a revelation, it's kind of expected. I don't see how ABC News has been considered impartial upon his hiring. It's sort of like getting a thumb in the plum for conservatives.17seconds said:I agree that if you have no clue about him being so close to the Clintons, and if you think giving to a charity with their name on it constitutes a bias, and the bias is so strong it affects his ability to report the news properly, then it is pretty shocking and worthy of a thread.rockaction said:I think the whole thread is predicated on it. I laughed when I heard the news about the news. I couldn't believe it, but that's why I almost never watch the networks nor cable anymore.17seconds said:Are some of you just learning that he was a top Clinton advisor?![]()
It's really a "#### you, yes of course we're biased."
This kind of thing should have been shaken out 10 years ago. The fact it comes up now either means you don't know who the guy is or it's because Hillary is running.
Jeez, thank you.When George decided to actively report on the Clinton Foundation claims, he needed to disclose that he is a donor. Simple journalistic ethics there.
Youre right. And he's apologized. Now what? Personally I'd like him to moderate the upcoming debate because i think he asks good interesting questions. But it looks like he won't and that's too bad.When George decided to actively report on the Clinton Foundation claims, he needed to disclose that he is a donor. Simple journalistic ethics there.
Maybe Rob Lowe can moderate the debates.I think I read somewhere that Rob Lowe's West Wing character (Sam Seaborn) was heavily based on George.
Im good with it.avoiding injuries said:Now imagine Karl Rove has been named the chief news anchor of NBC and does a hard interview of someone critical of Jeb Bush.
Tim, I have a real estate hypothetical, is this ethical in the banking and real estate world, or no? - TIA.I think I read somewhere that Rob Lowe's West Wing character (Sam Seaborn) was heavily based on George.
In 1994, columnist Jack Anderson reported that Stephanopoulos sealed an $835,000 commercial real estate deal consisting of a two-story apartment including an eyeware retailer with a below-market loan rate from a bank owned by Hugh McColl who had been called by President Clinton "the most enlightened banker in America". A NationsBank commercial loan officer said that this loan did "not fit our product matrix" as banks typically only offer such loans for customers with deep pockets and on a short-term adjustable rate basis. Stephanopoulos' real estate agent explained that "nobody making $125,000 could qualify for the property without the commercial property (lease)". One former senior bank regulator told Anderson that, "If his name were George Smith, and he didn't work in the White House, this loan wouldn't have gotten made."[15] ... Stephanopoulos' realtor states that he would not have qualified for the loan without the commercial property rent. One NationsBank source states that the issuance of a residential loan on mixed-use properties is such a rarity that it was not even addressed in the "NationsBanc Mortgage Corporation's Program Summary" or its "Credit Policy Manual". A NationsBanc underwriting memo revealed that one of the three restrictions for mixed-use properties is that "the borrower must be the owner of the business entity". The source claims that NationsBanc told the listing agent that, "We're not (interested in mixed-use properties), but we do have an appetite for this particular loan." NationsBank's primary regulator at the time was Comptroller of the Currency Eugene Ludwig, a Rhodes scholar who attended Yale Law School with President Clinton, and who had been asked to investigate NationsBank by Democratic congressmen Henry B. Gonzalez and John Dingell.
Good idea, but he should do them in character as Chris Traeger. "This is literally the most important question..."Maybe Rob Lowe can moderate the debates.I think I read somewhere that Rob Lowe's West Wing character (Sam Seaborn) was heavily based on George.
99% of your ethicalquestions are based on supposition rather than real evidence.Im good with it.avoiding injuries said:Now imagine Karl Rove has been named the chief news anchor of NBC and does a hard interview of someone critical of Jeb Bush.Tim, I have a real estate hypothetical, is this ethical in the banking and real estate world, or no? - TIA.I think I read somewhere that Rob Lowe's West Wing character (Sam Seaborn) was heavily based on George.
In 1994, columnist Jack Anderson reported that Stephanopoulos sealed an $835,000 commercial real estate deal consisting of a two-story apartment including an eyeware retailer with a below-market loan rate from a bank owned by Hugh McColl who had been called by President Clinton "the most enlightened banker in America". A NationsBank commercial loan officer said that this loan did "not fit our product matrix" as banks typically only offer such loans for customers with deep pockets and on a short-term adjustable rate basis. Stephanopoulos' real estate agent explained that "nobody making $125,000 could qualify for the property without the commercial property (lease)". One former senior bank regulator told Anderson that, "If his name were George Smith, and he didn't work in the White House, this loan wouldn't have gotten made."[15] ... Stephanopoulos' realtor states that he would not have qualified for the loan without the commercial property rent. One NationsBank source states that the issuance of a residential loan on mixed-use properties is such a rarity that it was not even addressed in the "NationsBanc Mortgage Corporation's Program Summary" or its "Credit Policy Manual". A NationsBanc underwriting memo revealed that one of the three restrictions for mixed-use properties is that "the borrower must be the owner of the business entity". The source claims that NationsBanc told the listing agent that, "We're not (interested in mixed-use properties), but we do have an appetite for this particular loan." NationsBank's primary regulator at the time was Comptroller of the Currency Eugene Ludwig, a Rhodes scholar who attended Yale Law School with President Clinton, and who had been asked to investigate NationsBank by Democratic congressmen Henry B. Gonzalez and John Dingell.
2nd deflection. That was reporting by Jack Anderson, "considered one of the fathers of modern investigative journalism," from his 1994 article, "Did Stephanopoulos Make Out Like A Bandit?"99% of your ethicalquestions are based on supposition rather than real evidence.Im good with it.avoiding injuries said:Now imagine Karl Rove has been named the chief news anchor of NBC and does a hard interview of someone critical of Jeb Bush.Tim, I have a real estate hypothetical, is this ethical in the banking and real estate world, or no? - TIA.I think I read somewhere that Rob Lowe's West Wing character (Sam Seaborn) was heavily based on George.
In 1994, columnist Jack Anderson reported that Stephanopoulos sealed an $835,000 commercial real estate deal consisting of a two-story apartment including an eyeware retailer with a below-market loan rate from a bank owned by Hugh McColl who had been called by President Clinton "the most enlightened banker in America". A NationsBank commercial loan officer said that this loan did "not fit our product matrix" as banks typically only offer such loans for customers with deep pockets and on a short-term adjustable rate basis. Stephanopoulos' real estate agent explained that "nobody making $125,000 could qualify for the property without the commercial property (lease)". One former senior bank regulator told Anderson that, "If his name were George Smith, and he didn't work in the White House, this loan wouldn't have gotten made."[15] ... Stephanopoulos' realtor states that he would not have qualified for the loan without the commercial property rent. One NationsBank source states that the issuance of a residential loan on mixed-use properties is such a rarity that it was not even addressed in the "NationsBanc Mortgage Corporation's Program Summary" or its "Credit Policy Manual". A NationsBanc underwriting memo revealed that one of the three restrictions for mixed-use properties is that "the borrower must be the owner of the business entity". The source claims that NationsBanc told the listing agent that, "We're not (interested in mixed-use properties), but we do have an appetite for this particular loan." NationsBank's primary regulator at the time was Comptroller of the Currency Eugene Ludwig, a Rhodes scholar who attended Yale Law School with President Clinton, and who had been asked to investigate NationsBank by Democratic congressmen Henry B. Gonzalez and John Dingell.
so what? You asked me if it was unethical. How can I or anyone know based on that story? If he received a loan he shouldn't have otherwise gotten in return for political favors, that's unethical. Did that happen? We don't know.2nd deflection. That was reporting by Jack Anderson, "considered one of the fathers of modern investigative journalism."99% of your ethicalquestions are based on supposition rather than real evidence.Im good with it.avoiding injuries said:Now imagine Karl Rove has been named the chief news anchor of NBC and does a hard interview of someone critical of Jeb Bush.Tim, I have a real estate hypothetical, is this ethical in the banking and real estate world, or no? - TIA.I think I read somewhere that Rob Lowe's West Wing character (Sam Seaborn) was heavily based on George.
In 1994, columnist Jack Anderson reported that Stephanopoulos sealed an $835,000 commercial real estate deal consisting of a two-story apartment including an eyeware retailer with a below-market loan rate from a bank owned by Hugh McColl who had been called by President Clinton "the most enlightened banker in America". A NationsBank commercial loan officer said that this loan did "not fit our product matrix" as banks typically only offer such loans for customers with deep pockets and on a short-term adjustable rate basis. Stephanopoulos' real estate agent explained that "nobody making $125,000 could qualify for the property without the commercial property (lease)". One former senior bank regulator told Anderson that, "If his name were George Smith, and he didn't work in the White House, this loan wouldn't have gotten made."[15] ... Stephanopoulos' realtor states that he would not have qualified for the loan without the commercial property rent. One NationsBank source states that the issuance of a residential loan on mixed-use properties is such a rarity that it was not even addressed in the "NationsBanc Mortgage Corporation's Program Summary" or its "Credit Policy Manual". A NationsBanc underwriting memo revealed that one of the three restrictions for mixed-use properties is that "the borrower must be the owner of the business entity". The source claims that NationsBanc told the listing agent that, "We're not (interested in mixed-use properties), but we do have an appetite for this particular loan." NationsBank's primary regulator at the time was Comptroller of the Currency Eugene Ludwig, a Rhodes scholar who attended Yale Law School with President Clinton, and who had been asked to investigate NationsBank by Democratic congressmen Henry B. Gonzalez and John Dingell.
Thanks for answering.so what? You asked me if it was unethical. How can I or anyone know based on that story? If he received a loan he shouldn't have otherwise gotten in return for political favors, that's unethical. Did that happen? We don't know.2nd deflection. That was reporting by Jack Anderson, "considered one of the fathers of modern investigative journalism."99% of your ethicalquestions are based on supposition rather than real evidence.Im good with it.avoiding injuries said:Now imagine Karl Rove has been named the chief news anchor of NBC and does a hard interview of someone critical of Jeb Bush.Tim, I have a real estate hypothetical, is this ethical in the banking and real estate world, or no? - TIA.I think I read somewhere that Rob Lowe's West Wing character (Sam Seaborn) was heavily based on George.
In 1994, columnist Jack Anderson reported that Stephanopoulos sealed an $835,000 commercial real estate deal consisting of a two-story apartment including an eyeware retailer with a below-market loan rate from a bank owned by Hugh McColl who had been called by President Clinton "the most enlightened banker in America". A NationsBank commercial loan officer said that this loan did "not fit our product matrix" as banks typically only offer such loans for customers with deep pockets and on a short-term adjustable rate basis. Stephanopoulos' real estate agent explained that "nobody making $125,000 could qualify for the property without the commercial property (lease)". One former senior bank regulator told Anderson that, "If his name were George Smith, and he didn't work in the White House, this loan wouldn't have gotten made."[15] ... Stephanopoulos' realtor states that he would not have qualified for the loan without the commercial property rent. One NationsBank source states that the issuance of a residential loan on mixed-use properties is such a rarity that it was not even addressed in the "NationsBanc Mortgage Corporation's Program Summary" or its "Credit Policy Manual". A NationsBanc underwriting memo revealed that one of the three restrictions for mixed-use properties is that "the borrower must be the owner of the business entity". The source claims that NationsBanc told the listing agent that, "We're not (interested in mixed-use properties), but we do have an appetite for this particular loan." NationsBank's primary regulator at the time was Comptroller of the Currency Eugene Ludwig, a Rhodes scholar who attended Yale Law School with President Clinton, and who had been asked to investigate NationsBank by Democratic congressmen Henry B. Gonzalez and John Dingell.
- 1994 published story. According to this, by a Hall of Fame class reporter, George owes Bill Clinton a whole lot more than just his WH political career.DID STEPHANOPOULOS' JOB LAND HIM A REAL DEAL ON REAL ESTATE?Jack Anderson and Michael Binstein
Hillary Rodham Clinton apparently isn't the only person close to the president with an eye for a good deal.
Only months after the first lady disclosed she won big in the futures market, senior White House adviser George Stephanopoulos sealed an $835,000 commercial real estate deal in Washington, D.C. The May 23 purchase was financed with a favorable loan from a bank owned by a man hailed by President Clinton as ``the most enlightened banker in America.''
``George made out like a bandit,'' says Stephanopoulos' real estate agent Georgio Furioso. ``He's going to do terrific in terms of the real estate market. . . . I'm not trying to toot my own horn here, but I did a terrific deal.''
More than a dozen banking and real estate sources we contacted believe there's something perhaps too ``terrific'' about how Clinton's most trusted political adviser became heavily leveraged despite a comparatively modest net worth and annual income. Yet thanks to a $668,000 loan from NationsBanc Mortgage Corp. (a NationsBank subsidiary) - at an interest rate well below what most commercial customers pay - Stephanopoulos is sitting on a mixed-use commercial property Furioso values at more than a million dollars.
That NationsBank is owned by Hugh McColl - who has become Clinton's good friend and banking guru - raises questions about special treatment. ``I can unequivocally state I never asked for any special treatment,'' Stephano-poulos told us. ``(Furioso) handled the negotiations. He handled the loan. I was clear, and he was very clear, not to ask for anything out of the ordinary.'' McColl and NationsBank refused to comment.
Furioso told us he finessed the deal by, among other things, ``playing one bank off another'' and finding a ``motivated seller.'' He denies seeking special favors and says Stephanopoulos delegated all day-to-day negotiating authority to him.
Stephanopoulos' new property consists of an elegant two-story apartment, where he now lives, and an eyewear retailer down below. He collects enough rent from the retail tenant to cover his monthly bank payments and other fees of approximately $5,500.
Until June 1, 1997, Stephanopoulos is locked into a 6.375 percent interest rate, which several banking sources say is a longtime on such a low rate.
Many variables can figure into the mortgage mix. As a rule, commercial loans are up to two percentage points above the prime interest rate. In March, when the loan was approved, Nations-Bank's prime was 6.25 percent. Sometimes banks do offer rates near prime for commercial loans - but only for customers with the deepest pockets and on a short-term adjustable basis.
Former bank regulators question whether a loan of this size is prudent for a person with a net worth between $50,000 and $100,000, and whose annual income is $125,000. This would provide thin cushion if real estate slumped.
One former senior bank regulator believes Stephanopoulos' political - not financial - assets were key: ``If his name were George Smith, and he didn't work in the White House, this loan wouldn't have gotten made.''
This is the real issue. We know Steph's leanings/party so no surprise. Professionally he should have provided this info like Jim Cramer has to disclose stocks he owns. This just further exacerbates issue of network news deciding what they want America to know vs just reporting the news. I know this goes back to Cronkite & likely before, but when you have POTUS calling out FOX, the ONLY outlet that is conservative leaning (and admittedly goes over the top themselves), it highlights how petty the administration is.ArbyMelt said:Are there any network anchors that aren't democrats?
"...and I'm Ted Cruz, and I have cable. "Maybe Rob Lowe can moderate the debates.I think I read somewhere that Rob Lowe's West Wing character (Sam Seaborn) was heavily based on George.
Wait - FOXNEWS can hatchet job Obama at every opportuniy but Obama can't call them out on it?This is the real issue. We know Steph's leanings/party so no surprise. Professionally he should have provided this info like Jim Cramer has to disclose stocks he owns. This just further exacerbates issue of network news deciding what they want America to know vs just reporting the news. I know this goes back to Cronkite & likely before, but when you have POTUS calling out FOX, the ONLY outlet that is conservative leaning (and admittedly goes over the top themselves), it highlights how petty the administration is. Imagine ESPN, ABC, CBS, NBC all back Brady but FOX Sports doesn't and Brady's team calls them out. Now consider that is sports vs. POTUS.ArbyMelt said:Are there any network anchors that aren't democrats?
And every other media outlet can cowtow to his policies without question and America is to buy it?Wait - FOXNEWS can hatchet job Obama at every opportuniy but Obama can't call them out on it?This is the real issue. We know Steph's leanings/party so no surprise. Professionally he should have provided this info like Jim Cramer has to disclose stocks he owns. This just further exacerbates issue of network news deciding what they want America to know vs just reporting the news. I know this goes back to Cronkite & likely before, but when you have POTUS calling out FOX, the ONLY outlet that is conservative leaning (and admittedly goes over the top themselves), it highlights how petty the administration is. Imagine ESPN, ABC, CBS, NBC all back Brady but FOX Sports doesn't and Brady's team calls them out. Now consider that is sports vs. POTUS.ArbyMelt said:Are there any network anchors that aren't democrats?
Also, Fox is but only 1 source. Why must Obama call them out? Is he upset that someone in media dares disagree with him or that Fox is #1 in cable news. Heck, even Obama is admitting to watching them, "If you watch Fox News on a regular basis, it is a constant menu, they will find folks that make me mad." I'm glad he's watching Fox but kinda wish he'd learn more from them." Again, using a sports reference, what would you think of Belichick calling out the Boston Herald? Beneath him right?Wait - FOXNEWS can hatchet job Obama at every opportuniy but Obama can't call them out on it?This is the real issue. We know Steph's leanings/party so no surprise. Professionally he should have provided this info like Jim Cramer has to disclose stocks he owns. This just further exacerbates issue of network news deciding what they want America to know vs just reporting the news. I know this goes back to Cronkite & likely before, but when you have POTUS calling out FOX, the ONLY outlet that is conservative leaning (and admittedly goes over the top themselves), it highlights how petty the administration is. Imagine ESPN, ABC, CBS, NBC all back Brady but FOX Sports doesn't and Brady's team calls them out. Now consider that is sports vs. POTUS.ArbyMelt said:Are there any network anchors that aren't democrats?
Can skinny arms Rob Lowe do the Democratic one and creepy Rob Lowe do the Republican one?Maybe Rob Lowe can moderate the debates.I think I read somewhere that Rob Lowe's West Wing character (Sam Seaborn) was heavily based on George.
No, no, no...a bunch of anonymous guys on the internet have no problem with it, so he shouldn't have to do anything, decades of journalistic precedence be damned.When George decided to actively report on the Clinton Foundation claims, he needed to disclose that he is a donor. Simple journalistic ethics there.
He's supposed to do it before, not after he gets called out on it.Youre right. And he's apologized. Now what?Personally I'd like him to moderate the upcoming debate because i think he asks good interesting questions. But it looks like he won't and that's too bad.When George decided to actively report on the Clinton Foundation claims, he needed to disclose that he is a donor. Simple journalistic ethics there.
Exactly, this is a non-story to anyone that follows politics.IvanKaramazov said:That said, this is no big deal IMO. The guy worked in the Clinton White House. Of course he's a Democrat. Duh.
Well I don't know if it's blind...whoops! I just ran into her.Jayrod, on 14 May 2015 - 8:54 PM, said:He's supposed to do it before, not after he gets called out on it.timschochet, on 14 May 2015 - 4:32 PM, said:Youre right. And he's apologized. Now what?Personally I'd like him to moderate the upcoming debate because i think he asks good interesting questions. But it looks like he won't and that's too bad.Trey, on 14 May 2015 - 4:24 PM, said:When George decided to actively report on the Clinton Foundation claims, he needed to disclose that he is a donor. Simple journalistic ethics there.
It's called "disclosure" not "explanation", hence he is no longer worthy to be in a place of the unbiased because his integrity is in question.
But then again, you really seem to not give a crap about integrity considering your blind support of Hillary.
I think a better comparison is Dana Perino. She strikes me as the perfect Republican example to Steph. Right down to the too-young-looking-and-innocent-but-still-really-smart-and-also-compellingly-endearing.Im good with it.avoiding injuries said:Now imagine Karl Rove has been named the chief news anchor of NBC and does a hard interview of someone critical of Jeb Bush.
I thought it was strange that he became a news guy. 10 years ago. But that ship sailed- at least I thought it did. This isn't low hanging fruit, it's rotted fruit on the ground under the tree.I agree with everything you just said.17seconds said:I don't think it's an f-you. More like.. um, you know who our news guy is, right?
This kind of thing should have been shaken out 10 years ago. The fact it comes up now either means you don't know who the guy is or it's because Hillary is running.Maybe I'm not a bastion of clarity at this point. i've been banging this drum for years. It's a conflict of interest just because of his former employment. No way this guy should be allowed to present himself as an impartial journalist. Would Ari Fleischer get this benefit of the doubt? No way.
The main difference between Perino and Steph is that Perino is a pundit and that Steph is put out front as a journalist and reporter, he is more of a face for ABC news than even their anchor (and I don't even know who that is). I think the Tony Snow comp was pretty spot on.I think a better comparison is Dana Perino. She strikes me as the perfect Republican example to Steph. Right down to the too-young-looking-and-innocent-but-still-really-smart-and-also-compellingly-endearing.Im good with it.avoiding injuries said:Now imagine Karl Rove has been named the chief news anchor of NBC and does a hard interview of someone critical of Jeb Bush.
If Perino got hired by ABC, I'm not sure I'd blink.
That seems like common sense.It's not about being a Democrat or Republican. It's about disclosing personal donations/finances made to specific entities you are covering.When George decided to actively report on the Clinton Foundation claims, he needed to disclose that he is a donor. Simple journalistic ethics there.
His ties to the Clintons are pretty public. E.g. I'm old enough to know he worked for Bill at least his first term...Its not a big deal, but it makes him look like a hypocrite when he was grilling the Clinton Cash author and trying to point out his Republican leanings while failing to disclose his own Democrat leanings and ties to the Clintons.
If he had never donated a dime, would anyone have really believed he was impartial?
Totally agree.That seems like common sense.It's not about being a Democrat or Republican. It's about disclosing personal donations/finances made to specific entities you are covering.When George decided to actively report on the Clinton Foundation claims, he needed to disclose that he is a donor. Simple journalistic ethics there.
Just release the info. Don't hide it.
So what your'e are saying is that you're okay with the LIBERAL bias from most of the major media outlets, but you draw the line at the CONSERVATIVE bias at Fox News? THAT'S what really irks you? So it appears the bias does matter to you.Let's not kid ourselves. Anyone who is a news anchor is just reading lines. What shapes the news is the news department behind the scenes.
As for his role on talk shows where he actually speaks his mind within the script, that's perfectly fine and we all know where he stands politically.
I don't know why the bias of a news anchor matters to anyone.
I don't avoid Fox News because of the bimbo reading the cue cards. It's because of Rupert Murdoch, Roger Ailes, and the rest of the management chain.
Have a drink and relax.So what your'e are saying is that you're okay with the LIBERAL bias from most of the major media outlets, but you draw the line at the CONSERVATIVE bias at Fox News? THAT'S what really irks you? So it appears the bias does matter to you.Let's not kid ourselves. Anyone who is a news anchor is just reading lines. What shapes the news is the news department behind the scenes.
As for his role on talk shows where he actually speaks his mind within the script, that's perfectly fine and we all know where he stands politically.
I don't know why the bias of a news anchor matters to anyone.
I don't avoid Fox News because of the bimbo reading the cue cards. It's because of Rupert Murdoch, Roger Ailes, and the rest of the management chain.
I said bias should not be a concern with anchors specifically. Fox and ABCSo what your'e are saying is that you're okay with the LIBERAL bias from most of the major media outlets, but you draw the line at the CONSERVATIVE bias at Fox News? THAT'S what really irks you? So it appears the bias does matter to you.Let's not kid ourselves. Anyone who is a news anchor is just reading lines. What shapes the news is the news department behind the scenes.
As for his role on talk shows where he actually speaks his mind within the script, that's perfectly fine and we all know where he stands politically.
I don't know why the bias of a news anchor matters to anyone.
I don't avoid Fox News because of the bimbo reading the cue cards. It's because of Rupert Murdoch, Roger Ailes, and the rest of the management chain.
In theory journalist have an ethics code"Avoid conflicts of interest, real or perceived. Disclose unavoidable conflicts."17seconds said:I agree that if you have no clue about him being so close to the Clintons, and if you think giving to a charity with their name on it constitutes a bias, and the bias is so strong it affects his ability to report the news properly, then it is pretty shocking and worthy of a thread.rockaction said:I think the whole thread is predicated on it. I laughed when I heard the news about the news. I couldn't believe it, but that's why I almost never watch the networks nor cable anymore.17seconds said:Are some of you just learning that he was a top Clinton advisor?![]()
what does it really matter?If he had never donated a dime, would anyone have really believed he was impartial?
I'm guessing ZERO journalists on any of the major networks even know what that is. Ethics? please. These guys are so in the tank and cover for the Democrats it's not even funny anymore.In theory journalist have an ethics code"Avoid conflicts of interest, real or perceived. Disclose unavoidable conflicts."17seconds said:I agree that if you have no clue about him being so close to the Clintons, and if you think giving to a charity with their name on it constitutes a bias, and the bias is so strong it affects his ability to report the news properly, then it is pretty shocking and worthy of a thread.rockaction said:I think the whole thread is predicated on it. I laughed when I heard the news about the news. I couldn't believe it, but that's why I almost never watch the networks nor cable anymore.17seconds said:Are some of you just learning that he was a top Clinton advisor?![]()
Straight from the professional journalist ethics code http://www.spj.org/ethicscode.asp