Giants RB options for 2007 (1 Viewer)

[jeter23]

Early indications are the Giants will be interested in Packers running back Ahman Green, who will be an unrestricted free agent. Green turns 30 next month. There's also a chance the Giants will pursue Chargers backup Michael Turner, who rushed for 506 yards on 80 carries (6.3 average) this season behind LaDainian Tomlinson. Turner, who turns 25 next month, will be a restricted free agent, so the Giants would be forced to cough up a draft pick to sign him. They could also work out a trade with San Diego.

http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/index.ssf?....xml&coll=1

 

[paz1]

What about Jacobs???

 

[David Yudkin]

There already been talk of Green working out a new deal in GB and the Chargers will not let Turner go without due compensation (first and third round draft picks). I don't think either of these guys will be available unless a trade is consumated.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I think Jacobs is more than capable than handling the load.

They might draft a 3rd down/COP type back.

Turner isn't going anywhere unless someone is will to pay SD.

 

[msommer]

There already been talk of Green working out a new deal in GB

But no deal actually announced. My says Ahman stays though.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Don't think the giants sign a big name player at RB, though I do think they bring in someone through free agency or the draft to share carries with Jacobs. Do think Jacobs carries increase significantly this year to the 200 range.

 

[ThisGuy]

I'd really like to see the Giants give Jacobs a chance to be the workhorse. His size and speed are so intriguing. He can catch, and he can block. He has all the tools to be an everydown back.

The Giants certainly will draft or sign a RB because there is no depth.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

I will be upset if they doing anything but give Jacobs the job. I am very much interested in seeing a spread offense with 3 wide and Shockey matched with a bruiser in Jacobs to pound the spread out defense.

 

[Revo]

Don't think the giants sign a big name player at RB, though I do think they bring in someone through free agency or the draft to share carries with Jacobs. Do think Jacobs carries increase significantly this year to the 200 range.

Agreed. While all the talk here in NY has been coming from Jacobs himself, the Giants will have a new GM and very likely a new coach coming on board, so the odds favor them not going with an unproven RB to handle the load and getting caught short-handed.I can foresee the Giants bringing on a back to share as much as half the load -- ideally a Warrick Dunn-type.

 

[lod2005]

I will be upset if they doing anything but give Jacobs the job. I am very much interested in seeing a spread offense with 3 wide and Shockey matched with a bruiser in Jacobs to pound the spread out defense.

To do this, you got to have 3 WR's. Toomer is on his last leg. Moss is too small to catch Eli's horrible passes. Other than Burress, they have nothing at WR.

 

[jeter23]

I will be upset if they doing anything but give Jacobs the job. I am very much interested in seeing a spread offense with 3 wide and Shockey matched with a bruiser in Jacobs to pound the spread out defense.

To do this, you got to have 3 WR's. Toomer is on his last leg. Moss is too small to catch Eli's horrible passes. Other than Burress, they have nothing at WR.

That was my thinking as well.

 

[Yenrub]

Early indications are the Giants will be interested in Packers running back Ahman Green, who will be an unrestricted free agent. Green turns 30 next month. There's also a chance the Giants will pursue Chargers backup Michael Turner, who rushed for 506 yards on 80 carries (6.3 average) this season behind LaDainian Tomlinson. Turner, who turns 25 next month, will be a restricted free agent, so the Giants would be forced to cough up a draft pick to sign him. They could also work out a trade with San Diego.

http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/index.ssf?....xml&coll=1

Anyone notice the Plaxico quote on page two of that article?

WR Plaxico Burress was asked what he would do if the team hired a coach who wanted him to work out in East Rutherford instead of Miami during the off-season. "Tell him I'll see him at training camp," Burress said as he walked to his car in the rain.

 

[H.K.]

Don't think the giants sign a big name player at RB, though I do think they bring in someone through free agency or the draft to share carries with Jacobs. Do think Jacobs carries increase significantly this year to the 200 range.

I agree that 200 touches or so is a good guess for now. Maybe more, could be less depending on who else they get.

I am very much interested in seeing a spread offense with 3 wide and Shockey matched with a bruiser in Jacobs to pound the spread out defense.

To do this, you got to have 3 WR's. Toomer is on his last leg. Moss is too small to catch Eli's horrible passes. Other than Burress, they have nothing at WR.

Agree to an extent, however, with Burress, Toomer, Moss, & Carter. The Giants have an interesting blend of size, experience, and speed to implement a 3 WR system. Plaxico creates mismatches based on his size, so he requires more than one DB coverage. That leaves Moss and Toomer against aweaker DB's where the Giants can exploit those match-ups. Also, Shockey is someone who can cause problems, too.

...the Giants will have a new GM and very likely a new coach coming on board, so the odds favor them not going with an unproven RB to handle the load and getting caught short-handed.

I can foresee the Giants bringing on a back to share as much as half the load -- ideally a Warrick Dunn-type.

I highlighted the biggest variable. The questions won't be answered until later on though, when we know who the GM and Coach will be, what the offensive philosophy is and what type of personnel they prefer.IMHO, they do have the personnel to run a 3 WR sets along with Shockey and a single RB, so Jacobs could be an interesting fit in that equation.

Think about it: Burress out wide, Moss in the slot, Toomer a yard off on the other side to uncover Shockey. This would really spread the defense. They would then still have to worry about Jacobs, who can wear down opposing tacklers, especially if he keeps banging on smaller DB's and SS's required to be on the field for coverage required for that formation.

 

[David Yudkin]

Don't think the giants sign a big name player at RB, though I do think they bring in someone through free agency or the draft to share carries with Jacobs. Do think Jacobs carries increase significantly this year to the 200 range.

I agree that 200 touches or so is a good guess for now. Maybe more, could be less depending on who else they get.

I am very much interested in seeing a spread offense with 3 wide and Shockey matched with a bruiser in Jacobs to pound the spread out defense.

To do this, you got to have 3 WR's. Toomer is on his last leg. Moss is too small to catch Eli's horrible passes. Other than Burress, they have nothing at WR.

Agree to an extent, however, with Burress, Toomer, Moss, & Carter. The Giants have an interesting blend of size, experience, and speed to implement a 3 WR system. Plaxico creates mismatches based on his size, so he requires more than one DB coverage. That leaves Moss and Toomer against aweaker DB's where the Giants can exploit those match-ups. Also, Shockey is someone who can cause problems, too.

...the Giants will have a new GM and very likely a new coach coming on board, so the odds favor them not going with an unproven RB to handle the load and getting caught short-handed.

I can foresee the Giants bringing on a back to share as much as half the load -- ideally a Warrick Dunn-type.

I highlighted the biggest variable. The questions won't be answered until later on though, when we know who the GM and Coach will be, what the offensive philosophy is and what type of personnel they prefer.IMHO, they do have the personnel to run a 3 WR sets along with Shockey and a single RB, so Jacobs could be an interesting fit in that equation.

Think about it: Burress out wide, Moss in the slot, Toomer a yard off on the other side to uncover Shockey. This would really spread the defense. They would then still have to worry about Jacobs, who can wear down opposing tacklers, especially if he keeps banging on smaller DB's and SS's required to be on the field for coverage required for that formation.

Say what you want about who defenders have to cover, but the Giants still have Eli at QB, and up until now he has not lived up to expectations. If I were a Giants fan, I think it's time to be concerned about whether Manning is the guy they thought he would be.

 

[H.K.]

Say what you want about who defenders have to cover, but the Giants still have Eli at QB, and up until now he has not lived up to expectations. If I were a Giants fan, I think it's time to be concerned about whether Manning is the guy they thought he would be.

No question about it that there should be concerns about Eli. However, he has thrown 24 TD's in two consecutive seasons and his completion percentage has improved every year since he became a starter. So he has done some positive things.IMHO a spread field would help him because it should lessen the chances for him to force the ball into double coverage. Eli needs to cut down on the INT's, possibly this would be a way to do it.

He is still very early in his career, and never really got the chance to learn the game before getting thrown to the wolves.

I do not know who he has around to mentor him, but maybe a new coach is what he needs?

 

[redman]

I'm totally serious about this, but when I read "Green" I first thought William Green. Do you suppose that he's going to get any sniff from teams like the Giants that need a RB?

There already been talk of Green working out a new deal in GB and the Chargers will not let Turner go without due compensation (first and third round draft picks). I don't think either of these guys will be available unless a trade is consumated.

Too bad there's not some kind of precedent for that between those two teams.

 

[zamboni]

I'm totally serious about this, but when I read "Green" I first thought William Green. Do you suppose that he's going to get any sniff from teams like the Giants that need a RB?

There already been talk of Green working out a new deal in GB and the Chargers will not let Turner go without due compensation (first and third round draft picks). I don't think either of these guys will be available unless a trade is consumated.

Too bad there's not some kind of precedent for that between those two teams.

True, but considering it's been a sweetheart deal for the Chargers, the Giants may not want to dip in that well again.

 

[David Yudkin]

There already been talk of Green working out a new deal in GB and the Chargers will not let Turner go without due compensation (first and third round draft picks). I don't think either of these guys will be available unless a trade is consumated.

Too bad there's not some kind of precedent for that between those two teams.

The Giants got fleeced the last time, so I guess they might be willing to do something again.

 

[Sabertooth]

I'll say this about the Packers, Ted Thomspon won't break the bank on Green. If the Giants blow his doors off with an offer, I can see him leaving. Morency average a bit more per carry and seems capable. Noah Herron is decent depth. I could see Green Bay bring in Duckett possibly if they stick with the zone blocking scheme.

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

I'll say this about the Packers, Ted Thomspon won't break the bank on Green. If the Giants blow his doors off with an offer, I can see him leaving. Morency average a bit more per carry and seems capable. Noah Herron is decent depth. I could see Green Bay bring in Duckett possibly if they stick with the zone blocking scheme.

Not to mention they do like Arliss Beach, who is on IR. I agree, Green Bay won't break the bank. However, I get the impression Green would come back for less cash since he wants to be in Green Bay.

 

[H.K.]

I'm totally serious about this, but when I read "Green" I first thought William Green. Do you suppose that he's going to get any sniff from teams like the Giants that need a RB?

Jacobs owners should do back flips if Ahman Green goes to the Giants. He's got a high likelihood of injury, leaving Brandon as the only game in town at the moment.Also, I would make the assumption (possibly incorrectly), that adding a guy like A.Green would give Jacobs the opportunity to get more reps even if Green is healthy. I'd guess 200 touches for Jacobs would be a pretty safe guess with Ahman in the fold...some sort of RBBC.Adding Turner would probably kill Jacobs' value. IMHO he's be lucky to get 100 touches with Turner in the mix.

 

[David Yudkin]

I think people are forgetting that Green likely WANTS to stay in Green Bay. He had the opportunity to go wherever he wanted last year and signed a one year deal to stay in GB for next to nothing. I do not think Green is looking to score a huge pay day.

 

[PatsWillWin]

I think people are forgetting that Green likely WANTS to stay in Green Bay. He had the opportunity to go wherever he wanted last year and signed a one year deal to stay in GB for next to nothing. I do not think Green is looking to score a huge pay day.

While there might be other reasons Green may want to stay in GB other than $, I think it's worth noting that last season his value was substantially lower on the FA market. He was coming off a relatively serious injury, and some questioned whether or not he'd even play again. That's why he got just a 1 year deal at relative peanuts.His value would be higher this year as he clearly can still produce.

 

[H.K.]

David, I agree. I also think Turner stays in SD. Can you think of any likely FA's to become NYG RB's, or do you think they'll wait to address Barber's vacancy at the draft?

 

[David Yudkin]

David, I agree. I also think Turner stays in SD. Can you think of any likely FA's to become NYG RB's, or do you think they'll wait to address Barber's vacancy at the draft?

I suspect that the Giants 07 may look like the Jets 06. They may sign/acquire a middle of the road RB (by cheap trade or free agent) in conjunction to drafting another RB (probably early Day 2 onthe draft) and go with a three-headed hydra and situational lineup substitutions.I can't see why they won't at least consider giving Jacobs a bigger workload (although not Tiki like in workload) as he did well when he had the chance. Jacobs had a 4.4 ypc with a lot of short yardage work, almost 600 total yards, and 9 TD in roughly 100 touches. I would guess that he will double his work load with the two new guys each splitting the difference.So it might play out Jacobs 200 touches, established free agent acquisition 100 touches, rookie 100 touches. Last year the Giants RB corps actually had about 100 touches more than that, but I suspect without Tiki they may elect to pass more unless the running game is more productive than I think it will be.Clearly this is all supposition, and until we know who the new GM is and whether a new coaching staff is coming in or not makes this almost impossible to predict.

 

[H.K.]

David, I agree. I also think Turner stays in SD. Can you think of any likely FA's to become NYG RB's, or do you think they'll wait to address Barber's vacancy at the draft?

I suspect that the Giants 07 may look like the Jets 06. They may sign/acquire a middle of the road RB (by cheap trade or free agent) in conjunction to drafting another RB (probably early Day 2 onthe draft) and go with a three-headed hydra and situational lineup substitutions.I can't see why they won't at least consider giving Jacobs a bigger workload (although not Tiki like in workload) as he did well when he had the chance. Jacobs had a 4.4 ypc with a lot of short yardage work, almost 600 total yards, and 9 TD in roughly 100 touches. I would guess that he will double his work load with the two new guys each splitting the difference.

So it might play out Jacobs 200 touches, established free agent acquisition 100 touches, rookie 100 touches. Last year the Giants RB corps actually had about 100 touches more than that, but I suspect without Tiki they may elect to pass more unless the running game is more productive than I think it will be.

Clearly this is all supposition, and until we know who the new GM is and whether a new coaching staff is coming in or not makes this almost impossible to predict.

Exactly my thoughts. Here is a wrinkle, though....there is a chance that Jacobs could emerge in an RBBC scenario featuring a low cost FA and a rookie and garner a 250-275 touch workload. I sure as hell wouldn't count on it right now, but if they pass on an RB in round one, I think he'll get his shot.

 

[mo542]

The same thing that makes me love the way Jacob runs also puts a question in my mind if he can carry the load for a full season…. He takes too many direct hits. He is going to have to change his running style a little if he wants to make it through a full season healthy. If he doesn’t, I think the hits he takes will catch up with him. Bettis did it went he left the Rams and it worked out well for him.

 

[TheFanatic]

The same thing that makes me love the way Jacob runs also puts a question in my mind if he can carry the load for a full season…. He takes too many direct hits. He is going to have to change his running style a little if he wants to make it through a full season healthy. If he doesn’t, I think the hits he takes will catch up with him. Bettis did it went he left the Rams and it worked out well for him.

So did Jerome Bettis and he did all right until late in his career carrying the full load....

 

[Couch Potato]

I haven't seen Derrick Ward mentioned at all in this thread. Is he out of the picture completely due to his injuries this year or lack of ability, or is he a candidate to pick up 100+ of the carries?

 

[David Yudkin]

I haven't seen Derrick Ward mentioned at all in this thread. Is he out of the picture completely due to his injuries this year or lack of ability, or is he a candidate to pick up 100+ of the carries?

He's on IR, so who knows what they'll do with him.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Deshaun Foster might make an interesting running mate.

 

[-OZ-]

The same thing that makes me love the way Jacob runs also puts a question in my mind if he can carry the load for a full season…. He takes too many direct hits. He is going to have to change his running style a little if he wants to make it through a full season healthy. If he doesn’t, I think the hits he takes will catch up with him. Bettis did it went he left the Rams and it worked out well for him.

So did Jerome Bettis and he did all right until late in his career carrying the full load....

I thought the same thing, but realized that's because the Bus is one in a million. Others have tried (Duckett), but failed. Jacobs isn't the Bus. Might be better than Duckett, but I'm not seeing HOFer (or close to it) with Jacobs.

 

[fruity pebbles]

The same thing that makes me love the way Jacob runs also puts a question in my mind if he can carry the load for a full season…. He takes too many direct hits. He is going to have to change his running style a little if he wants to make it through a full season healthy. If he doesn’t, I think the hits he takes will catch up with him. Bettis did it went he left the Rams and it worked out well for him.

So did Jerome Bettis and he did all right until late in his career carrying the full load....

I thought the same thing, but realized that's because the Bus is one in a million. Others have tried (Duckett), but failed. Jacobs isn't the Bus. Might be better than Duckett, but I'm not seeing HOFer (or close to it) with Jacobs.

I can't really think of anyone to compare him to. Nobody really fits his all around size and game.

 

[msommer]

I'm totally serious about this, but when I read "Green" I first thought William Green. Do you suppose that he's going to get any sniff from teams like the Giants that need a RB?

Jacobs owners should do back flips if Ahman Green Chris Brown goes to the Giants. He's got a high likelihood of injury, leaving Brandon as the only game in town at the moment.

Fixed

 

[H.K.]

Deshaun Foster might make an interesting running mate.

Isn't he a little too pricy with the $ Carolina gave him?

 

[msommer]

Deshaun Foster might make an interesting running mate.

Isn't he a little too pricy with the $ Carolina gave him?

Even if they trade for him they'll renegotiate the deal, (4.25M base salary IIRC). If he gets cut he'll quickly learn out that his value is not what he thought

 

[fruity pebbles]

Deshaun Foster might make an interesting running mate.

Isn't he a little too pricy with the $ Carolina gave him?

I'd be shocked if Carolina doesn't end up cutting him.

 

[sparkky]

Thomas Jones by chance?

 

[msommer]

Another possibility would be Dunn if Atlanta decides to go with Norwood and a bruiser. I doubt Dunn would be cut though and a 32 year old RB is probably not worth a lot in draft picks

 

[msommer]

Deshaun Foster might make an interesting running mate.

Isn't he a little too pricy with the $ Carolina gave him?

I'd be shocked if Carolina doesn't end up cutting him.

I can;t remember the signing bonus he got last year - it must be less than 12M though so there will be a cap benefit to cut him as well as a cash benefit

 

[Garts]

Tatum Bell is ont he block in Denver it seems.....and teamed with a banger like Jacobs would be a perfect RBBC.

 

[H.K.]

Deshaun Foster might make an interesting running mate.

Isn't he a little too pricy with the $ Carolina gave him?

I'd be shocked if Carolina doesn't end up cutting him.

I can;t remember the signing bonus he got last year - it must be less than 12M though so there will be a cap benefit to cut him as well as a cash benefit

Foster was tagged and signed last off-season. From Wikipedia:

Foster agreed to a three year, $14.5 million dollar contract with a $4.5 million dollar signing bonus with another $3 million in escalators and incentives. This is a $700,000 raise over the transition tag tender placed on Foster last month.

Not sure where the idea came from that Carolina would cut him, but that seems unlikely from everything I have heard. Of course, I never expected them to keep Shelton last year, either.

 

[mo542]

The same thing that makes me love the way Jacob runs also puts a question in my mind if he can carry the load for a full season…. He takes too many direct hits. He is going to have to change his running style a little if he wants to make it through a full season healthy. If he doesn’t, I think the hits he takes will catch up with him. Bettis did it went he left the Rams and it worked out well for him.

So did Jerome Bettis and he did all right until late in his career carrying the full load....

Jacobs runs straight into people and looks for contact. It's alirght to do that if you are only getting a few carries, but doing that for 20 carries a game for a season will take a toll.And Bettis did change his running style.(not running striaght into people)... don't believe me.... listen to the man himself:

FD: Why do big backs burn out so quickly?

JB: Just because you're a big guy, you're not really built to do the things we do. You're not built to go out there and pound, pound, pound. Your body eventually gives out. There are a lot of big hits when you're a physical runner. But I've been fortunate to learn the hard way early on in my career, with a number of different injuries that I had to play through, to adjust my running style.

Coming out of college, I was a true fullback. To switch over to tailback was not a smooth transition. I came in running as a fullback but playing tailback. I was looking for contact. After the third week of the season [as a rookie in 1993], with a separated shoulder and a bruised sternum and having to play 13 weeks with that, it really caused me to change my running style. I knew that if I was this beat up in my first year in the NFL, I wouldn't last four years. So I had to change my running style, and that was the best thing that ever happened to me.

FD: How did you change?

JB: I understood I had to make people miss, so I would always work on it. Since I didn't have the natural skills that a running back normally has, I had to develop them. I just worked hard at them. At practice, I may have looked silly trying to fake somebody out, but all the time it was helping my development. There were times I would do it in practice and shake somebody, but in the game I would never do it because I wasn't comfortable with it. It took time--a gradual process--and as time went on, I was able to make people miss. I think that's been my biggest asset.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_..._30/ai_70361692

 

[fruity pebbles]

If Jacobs can even get 200 carries next year, he would be a borderline top 10 back based on this year's scoring.

 

[H.K.]

If Jacobs can even get 200 carries next year, he would be a borderline top 10 back based on this year's scoring.

In standard scoring, he'd be close. 200 carries for about 880 and another 250 or so receiving and 10 TD's puts him right near Deuce at RB 10.He got virtually all the Giants' short yardage TD's this past season, so if that remains constant, which I would guess it should, he 'll get 8-10 next year. The big question is still touches. Right now we just have no idea. 200 seems like the magic number he needs to get to be pretty valuable, though.Obviously, in PPR he'd be much lower.

 

[mggoilers]

Thomas Jones by chance?

This is my pick, the former UVA star replaces the former UVA star.He would be a perfect fit, can run the ball, catch the ball, and handle all the protections. He is also a tough guy willing to play a little dinged up.

 

[Revo]

Thomas Jones by chance?

This is my pick, the former UVA star replaces the former UVA star.He would be a perfect fit, can run the ball, catch the ball, and handle all the protections. He is also a tough guy willing to play a little dinged up.

Tatum Bell makes a lot of sense for the Giants, if and when he becomes available. Make no mistake, they WILL bring in a 2nd back to compete/split carries with Jacobs.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

I think Jacobs is more than capable than handling the load.

I'm not so sure of that.I like Jacobs but he's neverhad more than 10 carries in a game.It remains to be seen whether or nothe can carry the load.His size and upright running style may work against him.I hope not because I like the kid.

 

[Bob_Magaw]

The same thing that makes me love the way Jacob runs also puts a question in my mind if he can carry the load for a full season…. He takes too many direct hits. He is going to have to change his running style a little if he wants to make it through a full season healthy. If he doesn’t, I think the hits he takes will catch up with him. Bettis did it went he left the Rams and it worked out well for him.

So did Jerome Bettis and he did all right until late in his career carrying the full load....

I thought the same thing, but realized that's because the Bus is one in a million. Others have tried (Duckett), but failed. Jacobs isn't the Bus. Might be better than Duckett, but I'm not seeing HOFer (or close to it) with Jacobs.

I can't really think of anyone to compare him to. Nobody really fits his all around size and game.

bigger, slower christian okoye?

 

[Sabertooth]

I'll say this about the Packers, Ted Thomspon won't break the bank on Green. If the Giants blow his doors off with an offer, I can see him leaving. Morency average a bit more per carry and seems capable. Noah Herron is decent depth. I could see Green Bay bring in Duckett possibly if they stick with the zone blocking scheme.

Not to mention they do like Arliss Beach, who is on IR. I agree, Green Bay won't break the bank. However, I get the impression Green would come back for less cash since he wants to be in Green Bay.

Possibly so, but he needs to get paid as much as possible. He never really broke the bank in Green Bay, always played for moderate to good money, but never top-notch coin.