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Giants WRs=Patriots WRs? (1 Viewer)

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FOXBOROUGH, Mass. — Plaxico Burress has made some amazing catches.

And this amazing statement:

His Giants may have better receivers than the Patriots' very deep group of Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Donte' Stallworth and Jabar Gaffney.

The response from New England? No laughter, no putdowns, no he-said-what?

Just check out what happens on the field.

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"The good thing about the National Football League and I think in life, you have opportunities," Patriots safety Rodney Harrison said, "an opportunity to make sure that comes to light. So we'll see."

The wide-receiver advantage belongs to New England as it prepares for the Super Bowl against New York next Sunday in Glendale, Ariz.

Moss set an NFL single-season record with 23 touchdown catches, one more than Jerry Rice. Welker tied for the league lead with 112 receptions. Stallworth made catches that gained at least 30 yards in seven of the Patriots 18 games. And Gaffney scored six touchdowns, including an 8-yarder in the last minute to give New England a 27-24 win at Baltimore and a 12-0 record.

That's pretty tough to keep up with.

Harrison, a 14-year veteran, said the group "is the best I've ever been around."

By comparison, the Giants production falls short.

Burress was outstanding with 70 catches for 1,025 yards and 12 touchdowns. Amani Toomer was solid, catching 59 passes for 760 yards and three scores. After that, the numbers fall off.

The tight end matchup is more even.

New York's Jeremy Shockey caught 57 passes for 619 yards and three touchdowns but was sidelined for the season after 11 games. New England's Benjamin Watson had 36 catches for 389 yards in the regular season, but six went for touchdowns. He added two scoring catches against Jacksonville in the divisional playoff game.

Burress, though, is very confident, no matter what the numbers say.

"We have guys that can go out and do things just as well or maybe better than some of those guys," he said last week.

In the Patriots 38-35 win over the Giants in the final game of the regular season, the 6-foot-5 Burress caught two touchdown passes from Eli Manning. He also burned 5-9 cornerback Ellis Hobbs for a 52-yard completion.

"He's got such long arms," Hobbs said. "A normal throw from Eli that is too high for an average receiver is like normal for" Burress.

In last Sunday's NFC championship win over the Green Bay Packers, Burress overwhelmed 6-foot-1 cornerback Al Harris and set a Giants postseason record of 11 catches, picking up 151 yards.

"Plaxico is a really good receiver. I know him personally," Stallworth said. "He's a great player and he's out there to make plays for his team, just like we're trying to do for our team. We're not playing against those guys. I'm not going to be covering Plaxico or anything like that any time soon, so comparisons don't mean anything right now."

Tom Brady and his receivers were the main reasons why New England set an NFL single-season scoring record of 589 points. New York had 373.

The Patriots also led the NFL with 295.7 yards passing per game. The Giants averaged 197.1, ranking way back at 21st in the league.

But Moss had a total of just two receptions in the Patriots' two playoff games as Jacksonville and San Diego guarded him with two or three defenders.

"It's not about catches and stats," Harrison said. "It's all about wining. Coach Belichick, whether you're a free agent, a draft pick or a guy that's been here for five (or) eight years, he tells you (to) check your ego at the door, and that's what Randy's been doing."

Stallworth has done that, too. A deep threat, he's usually the third or fourth option when Brady surveys the field for his tempting choice of wide receivers.

But there's some consolation in Stallworth's belief that he's part of the best receiving corps he's played on in his six NFL seasons.

"Obviously, when you have a guy like Randy, and Wes is being able to work the slot really well, and Jabar," Stallworth said. "We wouldn't be able to do what we're doing if the guys up front weren't giving Tom a whole lot of time, and, obviously, Tom getting us the ball, so it's not only receivers. But talent-wise, we're pretty deep."

Burress, though, ranks the Giants' receivers in the Super Bowl right up there with Moss and his partners who have helped Brady set an NFL record of 50 touchdown passes in a season.

"I don't see why not," Burress said. "We're both going to be on the same field."

The Associated Press

 
I love this time of year . . . when the media will write and report anything to try to still the pot and tey to solicit a response from players, coaches, fans, and anyone willing to listen.

 
Neither squad compares to Wesley Walker and Al Toon...NEITHER!!!!!!

Other news today, Mike Vrabel's second cousin has the sniffles...how will this impact the Pats D???

 
the giants WR arent even close to touching the patriots depth or talent.

 
I'm a Giants fan.....I think we got good WR's, but not even close to the Pats..... Moss, Stallworth, and Welker could be ones on a lot of teams.

 
"We have guys that can go out and do things just as well or maybe better than some of those guys," he said last week.

I'm sorry but this quote doesn't mean he said the Giants WR corp is better than the Pats WR corp. This is the Foxboro media :(

 
"We have guys that can go out and do things just as well or maybe better than some of those guys," he said last week.

I'm sorry but this quote doesn't mean he said the Giants WR corp is better than the Pats WR corp. This is the Foxboro media :no:
It's an AP story.
 
The AP should be more than a little ashamed of this story.

Burress is clearly not saying the Giants WRs are better than the Patriots WRs. He actually gives quite a measured, reasonable response... and yet the AP writer attempts to turn it into this "amazing" sensational, hold the front page, melodrama.

Very poor journalism.

 
"We have guys that can go out and do things just as well or maybe better than some of those guys," he said last week.

I'm sorry but this quote doesn't mean he said the Giants WR corp is better than the Pats WR corp. This is the Foxboro media :rolleyes:
It's an AP story.
:thumbup: Nothing is funnier than when an idiot is convinced someone else was fishing, and is proven completely wrong. Damn, the original post even said ASSOCIATED PRESS.

 
"We have guys that can go out and do things just as well or maybe better than some of those guys," he said last week.

I'm sorry but this quote doesn't mean he said the Giants WR corp is better than the Pats WR corp. This is the Foxboro media :thumbup:
It's an AP story.
:mellow: Nothing is funnier than when an idiot is convinced someone else was fishing, and is proven completely wrong. Damn, the original post even said ASSOCIATED PRESS.
Thanks. I corrected myself. Have a great day yourself...
 
Moss > Plax

Welker > Amani

Stallworth > S. Smith II

Gafney > Tyree

Watson > Boss

No not equal at all -- sorry.

 
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Moss > Buress

Toomer > Stallworth

Welker > Smith

However I think Smith could very good down the road. However he is still a rookie. It's a very close, however NE is deeper when you get below 3 WRs.

 
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Moss > Buress Toomer > StallworthWelker > SmithHowever I think Smith could very good down the road. However he is still a rookie. It's a very close, however NE is deeper when you get below 3 WRs.
I don't think you can compare Toomer vs. Stallworth. Toomer is NYG #2; Welker is NE #2. Welker > Toomer.I do agree about The Other Steve Smith though. I live out in LA and saw him a lot at USC. I thought of all the SC WRs to come out recently he had the best chance at success.He runs good routes and has decent hands. For some reason though scouts are more concerned with how fast you can run. (Which really doesn't matter if you aren't running where you are supposed to ...)
 
"He's got such long arms," Hobbs said. "A normal throw from Eli that is too high for an average receiver is like normal for" Burress.
Surprised no one pulled this quote out yet. Sounds like clipboard material to me. More so than the obvious twisting of Plaxico's words.
 
"He's got such long arms," Hobbs said. "A normal throw from Eli that is too high for an average receiver is like normal for" Burress.
Surprised no one pulled this quote out yet. Sounds like clipboard material to me. More so than the obvious twisting of Plaxico's words.
That's actually a good catch, Switz. Pretty funny little backhanded swipe at Eli by Hobbs. Wonder if it was intentional.
 
Gafney > Tyree
Depending on how much each are used, Tyree may have the edge therd. He's terrific on ST and some weeks neither guy does too too much
Not even close. Gaffney could be a #1 on most NFL teams, I don't think anyone would say that about Tyree.
He can? Really? Homer?
LOL! No, I hate the Patriots. But Gaffney is a solid WR, potential #1. He's had some injury issues early in his career, and he's not better than Moss/Stallworth, so he's sitting at #4 as Welker is a perfect slot WR. But on another team he's got definite starter talent. I would say if you really have issues with that, you must be the homer, a Giants one.
 
Burress wasn't saying the Giants WRs were better, but it is comical how everyone here seems to forget about Brady in this discussion. Can we just assume that Moss, Welker, et. al. are greatly benefitting from Brady's excellence, and the numbers reflect it. It's almost impossible to say that Burress, Toomer, and Smith wouldn't be putting up similar numbers in the Patriots offense.

Look at Burress's numbers over the past three seasons in NY, with inconsistent QB play, and try to tell me that if he would have been traded to the Patriots before the season, we wouldn't be looking at similar numbers as Moss, contingent on his health. Heck, most of the posters here thought Moss was on the decline. What a difference a great QB in a passing offense makes.

 
Burress wasn't saying the Giants WRs were better, but it is comical how everyone here seems to forget about Brady in this discussion. Can we just assume that Moss, Welker, et. al. are greatly benefitting from Brady's excellence, and the numbers reflect it. It's almost impossible to say that Burress, Toomer, and Smith wouldn't be putting up similar numbers in the Patriots offense.Look at Burress's numbers over the past three seasons in NY, with inconsistent QB play, and try to tell me that if he would have been traded to the Patriots before the season, we wouldn't be looking at similar numbers as Moss, contingent on his health. Heck, most of the posters here thought Moss was on the decline. What a difference a great QB in a passing offense makes.
Ignoring this season,Over the 2005 + 2006 seasons:Brady: 238.7 passing yards, 1.56 passing TD per gameEManning: 218.9 passing yards, 1.5 passing TD per gameSo basically prior to this year Brady completed roughly 2-3 passes more per game. If we DID NOT know what happened this season, based on regular season stats after last season it would not have been way of base to say that Brady was slightly better statistically.
 
Gafney > Tyree
Depending on how much each are used, Tyree may have the edge therd. He's terrific on ST and some weeks neither guy does too too much
Not even close. Gaffney could be a #1 on most NFL teams, I don't think anyone would say that about Tyree.
He can? Really? Homer?
Switz is a Bills fan, and relatively objective.Consider Gaffney's stats in the Patriots upset of the Chargers last year, for example (10/103/1). Then ask youself if you think Tyree is that caliber yet.
 
People used to say that Burress had Moss like talent when he was with the Steelers. He certainly looked good this year, even on a bum ankle. And as good as Moss looked, he probably isn't as good as he was with Minnesota. It's not a stretch to say that Burress is about as good as Moss right now, although Moss has had a better career.

 
Gafney > Tyree
Depending on how much each are used, Tyree may have the edge therd. He's terrific on ST and some weeks neither guy does too too much
Not even close. Gaffney could be a #1 on most NFL teams, I don't think anyone would say that about Tyree.
He can? Really? Homer?
LOL! No, I hate the Patriots. But Gaffney is a solid WR, potential #1. He's had some injury issues early in his career, and he's not better than Moss/Stallworth, so he's sitting at #4 as Welker is a perfect slot WR. But on another team he's got definite starter talent. I would say if you really have issues with that, you must be the homer, a Giants one.
cmon now, I clearly qualified that by starting with "depending how much they're used"Gaffney has 5 1 catch games and 3 no catch games, half the seasonThose weeks, a pro bowl ST player is better
 
Ignoring this season,Over the 2005 + 2006 seasons:Brady: 238.7 passing yards, 1.56 passing TD per gameEManning: 218.9 passing yards, 1.5 passing TD per gameSo basically prior to this year Brady completed roughly 2-3 passes more per game. If we DID NOT know what happened this season, based on regular season stats after last season it would not have been way of base to say that Brady was slightly better statistically.
If you add INTs to the equation,it may look very different.35 INTs Manning26 INTs BradyManning had a whopping 20 INTs this season.
 
I'm a Giants fan.....I think we got good WR's, but not even close to the Pats..... Moss, Stallworth, and Welker could be ones on a lot of teams.
No way. Welker is a good possession receiver; nothing more, nothing less. Stallworth is a great deep threat who is incapable of staying healthy for any extended period of time. Neither of those guys is a real number 1 NFL WR. Both benefited greatly in 2007 by having the best QB in the game throwing them the ball, and by Randy Moss having an off-the-charts great season. Put either Welker or Stallworth on just about any other team, and either of them would be lucky to break 1,000 yards.
 
Gafney > Tyree
Depending on how much each are used, Tyree may have the edge therd. He's terrific on ST and some weeks neither guy does too too much
Not even close. Gaffney could be a #1 on most NFL teams, I don't think anyone would say that about Tyree.
lol people really do blow things out of proportion.... #1 on most teams NFL teams is a serious stretch... #3 on most teams... alot more realistic. Do you remember the houston texans?... been there tried that... of course david carr is no tom brady... but gaffney is no #1....we will eventually get to see soon enough bc i think it's almost 99% safe to say that stallworth will not be a pat next season with that bonus they owe him... so gaffney will probably assume his role in the offense... i say he'll be good for 60 receptions 700 yards and 6 TD's.
 
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People used to say that Burress had Moss like talent when he was with the Steelers. He certainly looked good this year, even on a bum ankle. And as good as Moss looked, he probably isn't as good as he was with Minnesota. It's not a stretch to say that Burress is about as good as Moss right now, although Moss has had a better career.
Moss is STILL a 4.35-4.4 guy, whereas Burress has been a 4.5 guy his whole career. Randy still has some serious wheels.
 
Ghost Rider said:
I'm a Giants fan.....I think we got good WR's, but not even close to the Pats..... Moss, Stallworth, and Welker could be ones on a lot of teams.
No way. Welker is a good possession receiver; nothing more, nothing less. Stallworth is a great deep threat who is incapable of staying healthy for any extended period of time. Neither of those guys is a real number 1 NFL WR. Both benefited greatly in 2007 by having the best QB in the game throwing them the ball, and by Randy Moss having an off-the-charts great season. Put either Welker or Stallworth on just about any other team, and either of them would be lucky to break 1,000 yards.
I don't think they're #1s either.In 07, and just 07, Welker may be the best complimentary WR I've seen. Maybe not best, maybe the phrase is most effective. When you're sitting on the couch, know it's going to Welker, seems like the D knows it's going to Welker and they need this 3rd down stop, but he catches it anyway....big props for that "in my book". Welker did that alot in 07. I think he'd be effective anywhere there's a 1 that commands attention. Stallworth's injuries are annoying. He has great moves in the open field for a WR and we're lucky if we see em' 2-3 times a year. His speed is exceptional but IMO he still plays like he's a rookie or 2nd year WR. He's always been a great potential guy, but when will he take it to another level?
 
When welker was on the dolphins complimenting chambers i always thought of him as a poor man's stokley.... now i think stokley is a poor man's welker lol.

 
Gafney > Tyree
Depending on how much each are used, Tyree may have the edge therd. He's terrific on ST and some weeks neither guy does too too much
Not even close. Gaffney could be a #1 on most NFL teams, I don't think anyone would say that about Tyree.
lol people really do blow things out of proportion.... #1 on most teams NFL teams is a serious stretch... #3 on most teams... alot more realistic. Do you remember the houston texans?... been there tried that... of course david carr is no tom brady... but gaffney is no #1....we will eventually get to see soon enough bc i think it's almost 99% safe to say that stallworth will not be a pat next season with that bonus they owe him... so gaffney will probably assume his role in the offense... i say he'll be good for 60 receptions 700 yards and 6 TD's.
I don't see how suffering through a few injury plagued seasons with David Crapp as your QB could be any sort of evidence regarding a player's talent. He was drafted as a potential #1 WR. He's shown flashes of that ability in quite a few games. Put in the right situation, he's definitely #2 if not #1 material.
 
the giants WR arent even close to touching the patriots depth or talent.
:goodposting: Plax is the only threat. Toomer is no threat at all and drops far too many passes (he is a VERY weak #2). Steve Smith I thought would be better, but he has not stepped up as I thought he would, although I expect him to be effective in the Super Bowl. Not much at TE or out of the backfield. Honestly, Manning does not have much of a supporting cast except Plax and a running game. even the OLine which has played well ion the postseason has been much better at run blocking than pass protection.
 
Gafney > Tyree
Depending on how much each are used, Tyree may have the edge therd. He's terrific on ST and some weeks neither guy does too too much
Not even close. Gaffney could be a #1 on most NFL teams, I don't think anyone would say that about Tyree.
He can? Really? Homer?
LOL! No, I hate the Patriots. But Gaffney is a solid WR, potential #1. He's had some injury issues early in his career, and he's not better than Moss/Stallworth, so he's sitting at #4 as Welker is a perfect slot WR. But on another team he's got definite starter talent. I would say if you really have issues with that, you must be the homer, a Giants one.
Gafney is not a #1 receiver and might not even be an average #2 receiver, but he is a better receiver than Tyree
 
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Ignoring this season,Over the 2005 + 2006 seasons:Brady: 238.7 passing yards, 1.56 passing TD per gameEManning: 218.9 passing yards, 1.5 passing TD per gameSo basically prior to this year Brady completed roughly 2-3 passes more per game. If we DID NOT know what happened this season, based on regular season stats after last season it would not have been way of base to say that Brady was slightly better statistically.
If you add INTs to the equation,it may look very different.35 INTs Manning26 INTs BradyManning had a whopping 20 INTs this season.
yeah, but that is not relevant to the discussion as INT's might actually help a receivers stats.
 

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