Gibril Wilson officially a Raider (1 Viewer)

[KellysHeroes]

I know he wants 11 Mil Gauranteed... but offer that in a 4 too 5 yr contract and it doesn't seem that much. Wilson has always impressed me, even last yr when the Giants Defense was laughable... Wilson was still putting up so good #s.

 

[pinda]

probably cause he wants the 11 or 12 guaranteed over the first part of the contract, i think the franchise number for S was around 4.5 per year, so i can't see him taking 11/12 over 4/5 years....it's probably 11 over the first 2/3 years, in which case I can see why the Giants are passing.

 

[houndirish]

Don't make the mistake of judging Wilson on his numbers. Wilson is a better fantasy safety than NFL safety. Wilson is good, but not great. He is a skilled blitzer but is only average in coverage. The Giants have purposely brought in young safeties (Butler, Johnson) the last few years knowing Wilson's price tag would be high. I'd rather see Gibril stay with Big Blue but I put the chances of it happening at maybe 40%

 

[trader jake]

Gibril Wilson may not be an elite safety but he's a playmaker in the secondary and multiple teams could use that. He's also enetering his prime years of production and shouldn't have too much difficulty finding a new employer if the Giants don't wise up and resign him.

 

[Rozelle]

Wilson should benefit from what appears to be a a weak class at the safety position. Wilson is more of a SS than FS, average in coverage is not bad for a SS, you want more from your FS. But then again its all about interchanging them nowadays

 

[KellysHeroes]

Wilson should benefit from what appears to be a a weak class at the safety position. Wilson is more of a SS than FS, average in coverage is not bad for a SS, you want more from your FS. But then again its all about interchanging them nowadays

sounding like the Eagles are very interested... I think he would make a great replacement for Dawk

 

[Zoomanji]

Wilson should benefit from what appears to be a a weak class at the safety position. Wilson is more of a SS than FS, average in coverage is not bad for a SS, you want more from your FS. But then again its all about interchanging them nowadays

sounding like the Eagles are very interested... I think he would make a great replacement for Dawk

That would be nice!

 

[zadok]

Wilson should benefit from what appears to be a a weak class at the safety position. Wilson is more of a SS than FS, average in coverage is not bad for a SS, you want more from your FS. But then again its all about interchanging them nowadays

sounding like the Eagles are very interested... I think he would make a great replacement for Dawk

That would be nice!

Probably just this:http://www.philly.com/inquirer/sports/2008..._at_safety.html

 

[Zoomanji]

Wilson should benefit from what appears to be a a weak class at the safety position. Wilson is more of a SS than FS, average in coverage is not bad for a SS, you want more from your FS. But then again its all about interchanging them nowadays

sounding like the Eagles are very interested... I think he would make a great replacement for Dawk

That would be nice!

Probably just this:http://www.philly.com/inquirer/sports/2008..._at_safety.html

ehhhhhh, that's just Brookover saying that Wilson would be a good fit. Just throwing more crap on the wall to see what sticks.

 

[trader jake]

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...8/SPMNVASGT.DTL

In addition, the Raiders may be ready to pounce on Giants free safety Gibril Wilson, 26, who just came off a monster season with the Super Bowl champion team and is set to become an unrestricted free agent. The Eagles, Jaguars and Falcons also are interested in Wilson, who has 11 interceptions in four NFL seasons in New York.

But Wilson apparently wants to return to the Bay Area, multiple NFL sources said, and the Raiders will be the leader to sign him.

A San Jose native who played at Oak Grove High, Wilson started 31 of the last 32 games for the Giants, the most of any defensive player on the team. But he won't come cheap. Wilson is said to be seeking at least $5 million a season and at least $11 million guaranteed.

The Raiders make sense if they plan on dumping Michael Huff. There are also reports linking Wilson to the Eagles, Falcons, and Jaguars.

 

[Rozelle]

You would think Houston would make a play for Wilson, but he may be too pricey for them.

 

[Rozelle]

Gibril rumored to be a Raider ...

Someone familiar with the situation tells Newsday that free agent S Gibril Wilson is expected to sign a deal with the Raiders.

The deal would be for $6-6.5 million a year, more than he was initially said to be seeking. It looks like Oakland will keep Michael Huff at strong safety in 2008, rather than move him to his more natural spot on the weak side.

Source: Newsday

 

[KellysHeroes]

Gibril rumored to be a Raider ...

Someone familiar with the situation tells Newsday that free agent S Gibril Wilson is expected to sign a deal with the Raiders.

The deal would be for $6-6.5 million a year, more than he was initially said to be seeking. It looks like Oakland will keep Michael Huff at strong safety in 2008, rather than move him to his more natural spot on the weak side.

Source: Newsday

His value stays the same as top 5 DB?

 

[Rozelle]

Raiders close to signing Wilson

Dunno KellysHeroes ... I like him better as a Giant then a Raider.

 

[treat88]

The Raiders reached an agreement with former New York Giants free-agent safety Gibril Wilson on a six-year contract worth $39 million, including $16 million guaranteed.

Lot of scratch for Wilson.I think his value is largely unchanged.

http://www.nfl.com/freeagency/story;jsessi...mp;confirm=true

 

[Rozelle]

I do look for Wilson to play SS and Huff to move to FS.

 

[trader jake]

If Stuart Schweigert could be a decent fantasy player in Oakland I'm guessing Gibril will be fine.

 

[No. 16]

Wow.... great haul for the Raiders.

Asomugha at CB1 and Wilson and Huff at the safety positions. Routt/Washington is a decent combo for CB2.

Wilson is a play maker and Huff is starting to become the play maker we envisioned out of college. The Raiders D looks to be stacked if they can solve their d-line issues. I like Kelly but still have my doubts. I think all signs point to the Raiders trying to draft Dorsey or either Long.

 

[Rozelle]

Looks like a couple of the Oakland beat writers think Wilson will play SS. I wasn't real excited about him going to Oakland, but its growing on me. I have to agree with others who said ... his value is pretty much the same.

With Wilson, 26, the Raiders get an aggressive, blitzing safety who can play either from the free or strong side, allowing them to try Michael Huff at free safety.

Raiders make deal with safety Wilson

The addition of Wilson will allow the Raiders to move Michael Huff to free safety.

Raiders try to shore up at safety, get Wilson

 

[Mikey16x]

this makes me puke every time i see this... he was my favorite player aside from big brando.

 

[Rozelle]

Hall going to Oakland, should be a good thing for Wilson. With the talent they now have at the CB position, and the fact Ryan likes to play alot of man, you may see Wilson up in the box quite often.

 

[Rozelle]

PFW WWHI

Huff, Wilson taking snaps at both safety positions for Raiders

We hear the Raiders have been using starting safeties Gibril Wilson and Michael Huff interchangeably between the strong and free safety positions in offseason workouts thus far. It’s the type of flexibility head coach Lane Kiffin has wanted since he arrived in Oakland, but he didn’t have the personnel to do it last season. Wilson is considered a better fit at strong safety because of his hard-hitting, run-stuffing style, which were elements the Raiders' safety corps was lacking before the team signed him to a six-year, $39 million deal in the offseason. However, he started at free safety for the Giants as they plowed to a Super Bowl title last season. Regardless of his position, sources say Wilson’s presence should make a major impact on the team’s defense because he’s the sure tackler that Huff, a first-round pick in 2006, has yet to become. Unless Huff improves on that part of his game, Kiffin may be forced to keep him at free safety and lose the interchangeable aspect he desires.

Typical in todays NFL, no real news here. I think we still see Wilson get alot of snaps in-the-box.

 

[massraider]

PFW WWHI

Huff, Wilson taking snaps at both safety positions for Raiders

We hear the Raiders have been using starting safeties Gibril Wilson and Michael Huff interchangeably between the strong and free safety positions in offseason workouts thus far. It’s the type of flexibility head coach Lane Kiffin has wanted since he arrived in Oakland, but he didn’t have the personnel to do it last season. Wilson is considered a better fit at strong safety because of his hard-hitting, run-stuffing style, which were elements the Raiders' safety corps was lacking before the team signed him to a six-year, $39 million deal in the offseason. However, he started at free safety for the Giants as they plowed to a Super Bowl title last season. Regardless of his position, sources say Wilson’s presence should make a major impact on the team’s defense because he’s the sure tackler that Huff, a first-round pick in 2006, has yet to become. Unless Huff improves on that part of his game, Kiffin may be forced to keep him at free safety and lose the interchangeable aspect he desires.

Typical in todays NFL, no real news here. I think we still see Wilson get alot of snaps in-the-box.

This is what the coaches said, but they said that last year, and Huff was the SS.One of the Raiders beat writers made the observation that while the coaches said that, Huff was lining up at FS, and Wilson exclusively at SS. I think there may be a few times when Wilson is deep, but for the most part, I think he'll be in the box. So far anyways, this 'interchangeable' thing hasn't been shown.

 

[Rozelle]

This is what the coaches said, but they said that last year, and Huff was the SS.

One of the Raiders beat writers made the observation that while the coaches said that, Huff was lining up at FS, and Wilson exclusively at SS. I think there may be a few times when Wilson is deep, but for the most part, I think he'll be in the box. So far anyways, this 'interchangeable' thing hasn't been shown

How poor a tacker is Huff? Better off having a FS who struggles tackling, then a SS who struggles in coverage. They should be able to get the Huff issue fixed, or at least improve on it.

 

[massraider]

This is what the coaches said, but they said that last year, and Huff was the SS.

One of the Raiders beat writers made the observation that while the coaches said that, Huff was lining up at FS, and Wilson exclusively at SS. I think there may be a few times when Wilson is deep, but for the most part, I think he'll be in the box. So far anyways, this 'interchangeable' thing hasn't been shown

How poor a tacker is Huff? Better off having a FS who struggles tackling, then a SS who struggles in coverage. They should be able to get the Huff issue fixed, or at least improve on it.

Huff wasn't a bad tackler, but he's not a hammer. More of a drag down type guy.Personally, I wanted to keep Huff at SS, and go and get Madieu. I loved Huff at SS, because he was so adept at covering TEs. We have some good ones in our division. I was in the minority, however.

The biggest issue with Huff is lack of turnovers.

The move makes sense, if you believe that Huff can make more plays at FS. I am not sure myself, but I know Wilson will be stronger vs. the run, and Huff will be better than Schweigert in center field.

The only time I can see Huff and Wilson moving around, is vs. teams with stud TEs. Maybe then the Raiders will move Huff over the TE. Just a guess, nothing I've reads or anything.

 

[KellysHeroes]

This is what the coaches said, but they said that last year, and Huff was the SS.

One of the Raiders beat writers made the observation that while the coaches said that, Huff was lining up at FS, and Wilson exclusively at SS. I think there may be a few times when Wilson is deep, but for the most part, I think he'll be in the box. So far anyways, this 'interchangeable' thing hasn't been shown

How poor a tacker is Huff? Better off having a FS who struggles tackling, then a SS who struggles in coverage. They should be able to get the Huff issue fixed, or at least improve on it.

Huff wasn't a bad tackler, but he's not a hammer. More of a drag down type guy.Personally, I wanted to keep Huff at SS, and go and get Madieu. I loved Huff at SS, because he was so adept at covering TEs. We have some good ones in our division. I was in the minority, however.

The biggest issue with Huff is lack of turnovers.

The move makes sense, if you believe that Huff can make more plays at FS. I am not sure myself, but I know Wilson will be stronger vs. the run, and Huff will be better than Schweigert in center field.

The only time I can see Huff and Wilson moving around, is vs. teams with stud TEs. Maybe then the Raiders will move Huff over the TE. Just a guess, nothing I've reads or anything.

Looking at the Giants' Stats last yr... take out the 1st game against Dallas; and they were always able to shutdown TEs. I'm some of that was Wilson.

 

[massraider]

This is what the coaches said, but they said that last year, and Huff was the SS.

One of the Raiders beat writers made the observation that while the coaches said that, Huff was lining up at FS, and Wilson exclusively at SS. I think there may be a few times when Wilson is deep, but for the most part, I think he'll be in the box. So far anyways, this 'interchangeable' thing hasn't been shown

How poor a tacker is Huff? Better off having a FS who struggles tackling, then a SS who struggles in coverage. They should be able to get the Huff issue fixed, or at least improve on it.

Huff wasn't a bad tackler, but he's not a hammer. More of a drag down type guy.Personally, I wanted to keep Huff at SS, and go and get Madieu. I loved Huff at SS, because he was so adept at covering TEs. We have some good ones in our division. I was in the minority, however.

The biggest issue with Huff is lack of turnovers.

The move makes sense, if you believe that Huff can make more plays at FS. I am not sure myself, but I know Wilson will be stronger vs. the run, and Huff will be better than Schweigert in center field.

The only time I can see Huff and Wilson moving around, is vs. teams with stud TEs. Maybe then the Raiders will move Huff over the TE. Just a guess, nothing I've reads or anything.

Looking at the Giants' Stats last yr... take out the 1st game against Dallas; and they were always able to shutdown TEs. I'm some of that was Wilson.

That would be great, as I think Huff probably has more range than Wilson, and I'd feel better if he was in deep centerfield. And I didn't watch enough Giant games, or pay enough attention to Wilson, to notice. But what I do know is the Raiders run man-to-man, and before Huff, Gonzo and Gates ate our lunch. It's the one real aspect of Huff's game that has shined.

 

[No. 16]

This is what the coaches said, but they said that last year, and Huff was the SS.

One of the Raiders beat writers made the observation that while the coaches said that, Huff was lining up at FS, and Wilson exclusively at SS. I think there may be a few times when Wilson is deep, but for the most part, I think he'll be in the box. So far anyways, this 'interchangeable' thing hasn't been shown

How poor a tacker is Huff? Better off having a FS who struggles tackling, then a SS who struggles in coverage. They should be able to get the Huff issue fixed, or at least improve on it.

Huff wasn't a bad tackler, but he's not a hammer. More of a drag down type guy.Personally, I wanted to keep Huff at SS, and go and get Madieu. I loved Huff at SS, because he was so adept at covering TEs. We have some good ones in our division. I was in the minority, however.

The biggest issue with Huff is lack of turnovers.

The move makes sense, if you believe that Huff can make more plays at FS. I am not sure myself, but I know Wilson will be stronger vs. the run, and Huff will be better than Schweigert in center field.

The only time I can see Huff and Wilson moving around, is vs. teams with stud TEs. Maybe then the Raiders will move Huff over the TE. Just a guess, nothing I've reads or anything.

Looking at the Giants' Stats last yr... take out the 1st game against Dallas; and they were always able to shutdown TEs. I'm some of that was Wilson.

That would be great, as I think Huff probably has more range than Wilson, and I'd feel better if he was in deep centerfield. And I didn't watch enough Giant games, or pay enough attention to Wilson, to notice. But what I do know is the Raiders run man-to-man, and before Huff, Gonzo and Gates ate our lunch. It's the one real aspect of Huff's game that has shined.

Is that due to Huff or due ot the coverage skills or Morrison and Howard? I think think Howard and Morrison play a huge role in defending TEs.

 

[Rozelle]

I rarely see any Raider games; have no idea about Morrison and Howard’s role. Offenses are looking for a mismatch, so if you can get Morrison or Howard man up on Gonzo or Gates, bingo … offense wins.

Howard definitely has the athleticism to run with TE/WO, but I could see him being a bit of a coverage liability. Here were some of the knocks I read on Howard coming out of UTEP;

average instincts …

late to key and diagnose …

shows hesitation …

poor angles …

needs to do better re-routing receivers …

marginal intelligence.

Wilson is not great but adequate in coverage, His coverage skills are probably better than the average SS. Gonzo and Gates are going to be tough to deal with no matter what.

 

[massraider]

I rarely see any Raider games; have no idea about Morrison and Howard’s role. Offenses are looking for a mismatch, so if you can get Morrison or Howard man up on Gonzo or Gates, bingo … offense wins.

Howard definitely has the athleticism to run with TE/WO, but I could see him being a bit of a coverage liability. Here were some of the knocks I read on Howard coming out of UTEP;

average instincts …

late to key and diagnose …

shows hesitation …

poor angles …

needs to do better re-routing receivers …

marginal intelligence.

Wilson is not great but adequate in coverage, His coverage skills are probably better than the average SS. Gonzo and Gates are going to be tough to deal with no matter what.

I think in the Charger/Chief games, Huff was locked up on the TE most of the time. I do recall Howard covering them as well. Regarding Howard, he has been a revelation. He is in the discussion for "fastest LB in the league", and has been pretty much fantastic in coverage. I am very aware of the knocks on him coming out of UTEP, the Raider boards were awash with the "we took an athlete, not a LB" hand-wringing, but he has been just short of a stud for us. Morrison has been great in coverage as well. There aren't two many nickel LB combos I'd take over them. The Raiders don't flop their OLB, Howard is exclusively on the right, so the only time he may cover the TE is if the TE lines up on that side.

Of course, I'd still take Gates/Gonzo over any LB in the league, but Morrison and Howard, in particular, have been great in coverage.

 

[Rozelle]

I rarely see any Raider games; have no idea about Morrison and Howard’s role. Offenses are looking for a mismatch, so if you can get Morrison or Howard man up on Gonzo or Gates, bingo … offense wins.

Howard definitely has the athleticism to run with TE/WO, but I could see him being a bit of a coverage liability. Here were some of the knocks I read on Howard coming out of UTEP;

average instincts …

late to key and diagnose …

shows hesitation …

poor angles …

needs to do better re-routing receivers …

marginal intelligence.

Wilson is not great but adequate in coverage, His coverage skills are probably better than the average SS. Gonzo and Gates are going to be tough to deal with no matter what.

I think in the Charger/Chief games, Huff was locked up on the TE most of the time. I do recall Howard covering them as well. Regarding Howard, he has been a revelation. He is in the discussion for "fastest LB in the league", and has been pretty much fantastic in coverage. I am very aware of the knocks on him coming out of UTEP, the Raider boards were awash with the "we took an athlete, not a LB" hand-wringing, but he has been just short of a stud for us. Morrison has been great in coverage as well. There aren't two many nickel LB combos I'd take over them. The Raiders don't flop their OLB, Howard is exclusively on the right, so the only time he may cover the TE is if the TE lines up on that side.

Of course, I'd still take Gates/Gonzo over any LB in the league, but Morrison and Howard, in particular, have been great in coverage.

I'm looking forward to watching some Raider games this year. I was one that didn't think alot of Howard, I expected him to be slow in picking up things, however I've heard he's played pretty good right from the start. I was surprised when I looked at his 2007 stats to see he had 6 picks and 11 PD's. So you say Raiders play left-side/right-side thing with their backers, wasn't aware of that ... Thanks for the info.