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Ginn Love? (1 Viewer)

RaiderDave99

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Each year I look for a WR that goes into a top five offense with a great QB.  I think best example is when E Sanders went to Denver with Manning.  Not sure he was qualified as a sleeper but I had to have him on every one of my teams.. and it paid off.  Decker may not have been on a juggernaut offense with the Jets but came in with Marshall being the guy and ripped off a lot of TD's.

Sanders is the example to use here.  It seems to me Ginn being the #2 on a Drew Brees team makes his ceiling very high.  Yes, he can drop the ball, etc but now he has a monster slinging the rock to him.

Why isn't there more Ginn love this year?  Maybe not for him but the situation.   I think he is in the best spot a #2 guy can be in and should only see solid production as a WR2 at least.

 
I'm with you.  I think people see him as the wr3 behind snead, and that may be legitimate - brees never made fantasy stars out of devery or stills - but i see real upside after watching him up his game with cam.  He's still a boom or bust type, but there could be some very nice booms.

 
He gonna have some big games.  But good luck figuring out which ones.  He's gonna burn far more than he hits

 
Great value late. I've been snagging him late everywhere.....

 
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God do I hate saying that this alligator armed individual is undervalued but he is. We saw him line up in two wide sets during the dress rehearsal so you have to bump him up and bump Snead down to some extent. You don't want to, but you have to.

 
SameSongNDance said:
God do I hate saying that this alligator armed individual is undervalued but he is. We saw him line up in two wide sets during the dress rehearsal so you have to bump him up and bump Snead down to some extent. You don't want to, but you have to.
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I don't really understand this. I think....

A) Snead is more talented than Ginn

B) Snead is younger than Ginn

C) Snead has more experience than Ginn with Brees and the NO offense

D) I don't trust NO depth charts during the preseason based on past experience

E) Even if Snead really was only going to be on the field in 3 WR sets.... ummm, it's the Saints. They run 3WR sets all the time. Oh yeah, I forgot NOW they are going to be a running team. Sure they are. Does that mean Brees "only" throws it 630 times this season?

 
I have Ginn on a few teams that also reward return yardage.  He has been a solid WR guy the past few years in Carolina in this format.  He has been extremely cheap so I think he presents good value.

 
Warhogs said:
I have Ginn on a few teams that also reward return yardage.  He has been a solid WR guy the past few years in Carolina in this format.  He has been extremely cheap so I think he presents good value.
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Going to have many more useful games than WR in his draft range.

Not sure why people are concerned about being able to predict them. It's not like anyone else in that area is Larry Fitzgerald.

 
BoltBacker said:
I don't really understand this. I think....

A) Snead is more talented than Ginn

B) Snead is younger than Ginn

C) Snead has more experience than Ginn with Brees and the NO offense

D) I don't trust NO depth charts during the preseason based on past experience

E) Even if Snead really was only going to be on the field in 3 WR sets.... ummm, it's the Saints. They run 3WR sets all the time. Oh yeah, I forgot NOW they are going to be a running team. Sure they are. Does that mean Brees "only" throws it 630 times this season?
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A) He is

B) He is

C) He does

D) I trust what I saw during the dress rehearsal

E) They don't run 11 personal as much as you think. The league average was 52% last year, they went three wide 43% of the time. They actually lined up two wide 23% of the time which was 10% more often than the league average.

 
SameSongNDance said:
E) They don't run 11 personal as much as you think. The league average was 52% last year, they went three wide 43% of the time. They actually lined up two wide 23% of the time which was 10% more often than the league average.
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That is an interesting point. 

I guess I think of the NO offense as one that supports a big role for the slot guy(Colston, Lance Moore, latest was Snead) and because they have been near the top of total passing attempts annually(2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 4th, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd over the past 7 seasons) their total pass attempts with 3 WR's on the field feels to me like it's been high.

 
I find it hard to get excited about a 32 year old WR who has never topped 800 yards and has two cinder blocks for hands.

 
need2know said:
He gonna have some big games.  But good luck figuring out which ones.  He's gonna burn far more than he hits
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I will not touch him in non-best ball leagues. Even in those leagues I worry that Brees will bench him for too many drops. I still can't believe the Panthers didn't replace him with Wallace last year when Wallace was a FA. Newton would've had several more TDs...

 
FF Ninja said:
I will not touch him in non-best ball leagues. Even in those leagues I worry that Brees will bench him for too many drops. I still can't believe the Panthers didn't replace him with Wallace last year when Wallace was a FA. Newton would've had several more TDs...
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I dropped him for hogan.  Got him in second to last round of a redraft.  I do think he has value, but wouldn't start him unless I had no other choice

 
need2know said:
I dropped him for hogan.  Got him in second to last round of a redraft.  I do think he has value, but wouldn't start him unless I had no other choice
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Yeah, he's one of those guys you don't want to start, but also kind of feel wary when you see he's playing against you. You know it's not the smart percentage play, and that makes it all the more infuriating if he beats you. That H2H luck...

 
need2know said:
I dropped him for hogan.  Got him in second to last round of a redraft.  I do think he has value, but wouldn't start him unless I had no other choice
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That is the thing about Ginn.  He always feels so risky.  I cannot believe at this point in his career that he is suddenly going to be a huge part of an O.  Ginn has wheels though so anything could happen. 

 
DocHolliday said:
I cannot believe at this point in his career that he is suddenly going to be a huge part of an O.  
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Define huge.  He's played 10 seasons and has never had 800 yards in a season,  but he played for some terrible Miami and San Francisco teams and was used more on special teams than in the starting lineup.  

In the last 4 years he's had 286 targets and caught 148 of them for 2237 yards and 19 touchdowns.  Meh.

In his last 3 years in Carolina he had 260 targets, 134 rec, 19 touchdowns. A little better. 

In his last two years in Carolina, he had 95 and 97 targets, 739 and 752 yards,  and 10 and 5 targets.  That's a little more interesting, but still spot starter at best. He only started 21 out of 31 games for the Panthers the last two years.  

But now he looks like the week 1 starter for drew brees, who throws for 325 yards and 2 3 touchdowns per game.  Instead of Newton who threw for 219 yards and 1.2 touchdowns per game last year. I'm interested. 

And week 1 they play the Vikings on Monday night, with Xavier Rhodes covering Thomas and somebody not as good as Rhodes covering Ginn. All eyes will be on Peterson but Ginn could be a really nice spot start or daily play. 

 
bostonfred said:
Define huge.  He's played 10 seasons and has never had 800 yards in a season,  but he played for some terrible Miami and San Francisco teams and was used more on special teams than in the starting lineup.  

In the last 4 years he's had 286 targets and caught 148 of them for 2237 yards and 19 touchdowns.  Meh.

In his last 3 years in Carolina he had 260 targets, 134 rec, 19 touchdowns. A little better. 

In his last two years in Carolina, he had 95 and 97 targets, 739 and 752 yards,  and 10 and 5 targets.  That's a little more interesting, but still spot starter at best. He only started 21 out of 31 games for the Panthers the last two years.  

But now he looks like the week 1 starter for drew brees, who throws for 325 yards and 2 3 touchdowns per game.  Instead of Newton who threw for 219 yards and 1.2 touchdowns per game last year. I'm interested. 

And week 1 they play the Vikings on Monday night, with Xavier Rhodes covering Thomas and somebody not as good as Rhodes covering Ginn. All eyes will be on Peterson but Ginn could be a really nice spot start or daily play. 
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But this has been true of Brees for about a decade now, and unless I'm missing someone other than when they had two elite outside players last year (Thomas and Cooks) the #2 outside WR on the Saints hasn't really been much of a fantasy factor.  It's usually a WR1 and then an inside player (slot receiver or TE) hogging the fantasy stats, then the rest get divied up too much.  Just being the #2 outside WR on the team doesn't seem to make you a de facto fantasy option.  You still have to be Brandin Cooks or Michael Thomas quality, which Ginn certainly is not.

The Snead suspension helps, but it's only 3 games.

 
This guy belongs in the do not draft bin.

Hard for me to imagine Brees wanting to throw to a guy so inconsistent. Ginn will bring Brees completion percentage down several points on his own if he does go to him frequently.

Devery Henderson numbers. Ginn's not even as good as Kenny Stills. The Saints don't plan to use their deep threat enough to pay them, thus why they have traded Stills and Cooks off recently.

 
Biabreakable said:
This guy belongs in the do not draft bin.

Hard for me to imagine Brees wanting to throw to a guy so inconsistent. Ginn will bring Brees completion percentage down several points on his own if he does go to him frequently.

Devery Henderson numbers. Ginn's not even as good as Kenny Stills. The Saints don't plan to use their deep threat enough to pay them, thus why they have traded Stills and Cooks off recently.
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Lol one of you worst posts ever. You're a great poster too. 

 
I like where you can get him, as a bye week flex etc, because with one play he can have a big week. Don't wanna act like he's gonna go to the Pro Bowl or something.

But to answer the problem about when to start him: He plays for the Saints. Any home game seems like a good place to start, no?

 
With a 16+ rd pick I'll take any wr with an elite qb. There aren't many guys available that late that I'd "expect" more than 60/800/4 but a mike thomas injury or simply playing well while Snead is out could make Ginn a nice swan song. Or you cut him week 2-4 for a ww pickup. When comparing late round dart throws I don't think I have a "do not draft list." 

 
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