Given Vincent Jackson's current status will he play in 2010? (1 Viewer)

[Louisville Slugger]

The trade deadline for Vincent Jackson has come and gone and at the moment football doesn't seem to be in his foreseeable future. That said it wasn't for lack of trying. According to several reports V.Jax worked out a deal with a mystery team (rumored to be the Rams) that the Cahrgers shot down at the last minute.

As it stands know even if V.Jax is traded he wouldn't be eligable to come back until week 7 after serving his double suspenison that quite frankly I don't understand...From what I understand the players union is taking offense to Jackson's double suspension and may take action on it.

The Chargers seem willing to deal Jackson. Jackson wants to be dealt. Doesn't it seem logical that cooler heads will prevail and Jackson will play somewhere in 2010?

Are there any Charger fans out there who may know what is going on? It seems like both sides lose f Jackson doen't play this season.

 

[Thumper]

The trade deadline for Vincent Jackson has come and gone and at the moment football doesn't seem to be in his foreseeable future. That said it wasn't for lack of trying. According to several reports V.Jax worked out a deal with a mystery team (rumored to be the Rams) that the Cahrgers shot down at the last minute.

As it stands know even if V.Jax is traded he wouldn't be eligable to come back until week 7 after serving his double suspenison that quite frankly I don't understand...From what I understand the players union is taking offense to Jackson's double suspension and may take action on it.

The Chargers seem willing to deal Jackson. Jackson wants to be dealt. Doesn't it seem logical that cooler heads will prevail and Jackson will play somewhere in 2010?

Are there any Charger fans out there who may know what is going on? It seems like both sides lose f Jackson doen't play this season.

I have no idea if Jackson will play or not, but the players union isn't going to let this go down without a fight according to several reports today.Vincent Jackson: NFLPA prepared to fight for V-Jax

Although the NFL insists that Vincent Jackson will remain on the roster exempt list no matter what team he is on, the NFLPA is prepared to take the case to arbitration.

Being on the roster exempt list precludes Jackson from playing in three games after signing and reporting. Combined with Jackson's three-game suspension, that means he is ineligible to play until Week 7. But the union appears willing to fight this ruling, saying that a trade would free V-Jax from his roster exempt status. A ruling in Jackson's favor here could make potential trade partners such as the Seahawks more interested

 

[thehornet]

jackson is a moron. he probably has ruined his career. taken himself out of the spotlight in his prime. really smart.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

jackson is a moron. he probably has ruined his career. taken himself out of the spotlight in his prime. really smart.

LOL. Yeah, nobody's talking about Vincent Jackson right now. I know that's not really what you meant by that statement, but I thought the wording was funny.We'll see if Jackson is/was a moron when all of this gets resolved. Time will tell.I will say this though, if he had played this year for $3M and gotten badly hurt, he ABSOLUTELY would have been a moron for accepting that "deal" in retrospect.There seems to be a TON of disagreement on what Jackson is really "worth" out there. And maybe he is (or his agents are) overplaying his hand a bit. But I don't anyone could claim that his next long-term contract wouldn't EASILY net him $15M+ guaranteed (and probably a lot more, but I'll lowball for the sake of the detractors). And that is whether he sits this year or not. Heck, even if there is no 2010 NFL season, he'll still command that when he returns (and people love to double-count that "extra" year, but the fact is he wouldn't be playing that year in that scenario regardless, so it's fairly irrelevant - we are talking about one year here).Given that reality, I TOTALLY understand not wanting to play for $3M this year (for a team that he was TOTALLY under-valued and under-paid by).

 

[thehornet]

jackson is a moron. he probably has ruined his career. taken himself out of the spotlight in his prime. really smart.

LOL. Yeah, nobody's talking about Vincent Jackson right now. I know that's not really what you meant by that statement, but I thought the wording was funny.We'll see if Jackson is/was a moron when all of this gets resolved. Time will tell.I will say this though, if he had played this year for $3M and gotten badly hurt, he ABSOLUTELY would have been a moron for accepting that "deal" in retrospect.

he would have been a moron for playing out his contract? he screwed up. not aj smith.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

jackson is a moron. he probably has ruined his career. taken himself out of the spotlight in his prime. really smart.

LOL. Yeah, nobody's talking about Vincent Jackson right now. I know that's not really what you meant by that statement, but I thought the wording was funny.We'll see if Jackson is/was a moron when all of this gets resolved. Time will tell.I will say this though, if he had played this year for $3M and gotten badly hurt, he ABSOLUTELY would have been a moron for accepting that "deal" in retrospect.

he would have been a moron for playing out his contract? he screwed up. not aj smith.

He's not under contract.

 

[JbizzleMan]

jackson is a moron. he probably has ruined his career. taken himself out of the spotlight in his prime. really smart.

LOL. Yeah, nobody's talking about Vincent Jackson right now. I know that's not really what you meant by that statement, but I thought the wording was funny.We'll see if Jackson is/was a moron when all of this gets resolved. Time will tell.I will say this though, if he had played this year for $3M and gotten badly hurt, he ABSOLUTELY would have been a moron for accepting that "deal" in retrospect.

The guy can trip in his house and get hurt. If I'm VJ I am taking the guaranteed $3.2 million. It's not exactly chump change...

 

[thehornet]

jackson is a moron. he probably has ruined his career. taken himself out of the spotlight in his prime. really smart.

LOL. Yeah, nobody's talking about Vincent Jackson right now. I know that's not really what you meant by that statement, but I thought the wording was funny.We'll see if Jackson is/was a moron when all of this gets resolved. Time will tell.I will say this though, if he had played this year for $3M and gotten badly hurt, he ABSOLUTELY would have been a moron for accepting that "deal" in retrospect.

he would have been a moron for playing out his contract? he screwed up. not aj smith.

He's not under contract.

he couldnt play until he signed his tender. the bolts controlled him. i'd say he was obligated.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

jackson is a moron. he probably has ruined his career. taken himself out of the spotlight in his prime. really smart.

LOL. Yeah, nobody's talking about Vincent Jackson right now. I know that's not really what you meant by that statement, but I thought the wording was funny.We'll see if Jackson is/was a moron when all of this gets resolved. Time will tell.I will say this though, if he had played this year for $3M and gotten badly hurt, he ABSOLUTELY would have been a moron for accepting that "deal" in retrospect.

he would have been a moron for playing out his contract? he screwed up. not aj smith.

God am I sick of this blatant lack of understanding (and sorry about the rant, this applies to a LOT more people that you). Not only did he play out his FULL rookie contract (which pretty much NO successful non-first-rounder ever does), he was RIDICULOUSLY underpaid for it for basically the whole time. He has paid his dues more than any other player I can think of. Name me a guy who done more for less over the past 5 years. Please.It is only the fluke of the no-cap season that is holding him hostage here. While the Chargers hold his "rights", he is under no obligation to play for them - legally, contractually, morally, or any other way. While he can ONLY play for the Chargers (per the CBA fluke), he doesn't "have" to play for anyone (any more than a rookie has to play for the team that drafted him if they happened to offer him less than half of his market value).

 

[T.Rex]

Jackson is a tool. He thinks he's better then he is and just found out teams dont think so either. One team was willing to rent him but im guessing San Diego probably wanted a 2nd and he was deemed wanting.

Just like the hot commodity years ago Joey Galloway. He was on his way to being a great receiver pulled something similar and his career never was the same. He will hit the market next year and will get far less money then he probably would have got this year.

He's one mistake from a year long suspension and it's obvious he's a stubborn self absorbed individual.

Magic 8 ball says "outlook not so good"

edit to add.. If Chris Johnson can play for 3 million I see no reason the suspended Vincent Jackson isnt willing to do so..

 

[geoff8695]

It may seem like a long shot that Vincent Jackson will play in 2010, however I believe there is a better than 50/50 chance he will...

SCENARIO #1:

If SD misses Jackson enough and the passing game struggles or sustains injuries at WR, then it is still possible to try to work things out in the short term in such a way that Vincent rejoins the Chargers for 2010 and helps them in their hunt for postseason play and a Super Bowl appearance (certainly the least likely scenario, but not impossible and keeps the bolts options open for several more weeks - not a bad thing from an organizational standpoint really). This would likely require a great deal of very difficult behind the scenes promises and massaging of egos to try and appear as though neither side is caving in to the other publicly. Doubt things work out this way, but never say never...

SCENARIO #2:

Let's assume that Jackson really does have a one year deal worked out with Seattle or St. Louis. Reportedly it was SD whose asking price was too high and blocked the trade. Well it would be a gutsy gamble on AJs part, but he may want to wait until the NFL trade deadline to lower his asking price and try to revive the deal. Assuming a draft pick is involved that is higher than a potential compensatory pick (perhaps a 2nd or an early 3rd), then what better way to maximize that pick than holding VJax back from the lambs or seahags until the last possible moment.

Why let Jackson be available as soon as week 4 to another team when the Chargers benefit from that team losing games. The later Jackson is available to another team, the less he will benefit that team's 2010 W-L record, and obviously the more benefit AJ and the Chargers will derive from any draft pick(s) involved in the deal. IF the other team is still willing to take Jackson a few weeks later (HUGE gamble), then SD has done all it can to maximize their return of draft pick(s) involved in the trade and even if they lower their September 4th asking price, they can still get more for Jackson than they would have in terms of a potential compensatory pick if he walks next season.

AJ is stubborn, but he's smart enough to hedge his bets and maximize the return on investment.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

jackson is a moron. he probably has ruined his career. taken himself out of the spotlight in his prime. really smart.

LOL. Yeah, nobody's talking about Vincent Jackson right now. I know that's not really what you meant by that statement, but I thought the wording was funny.We'll see if Jackson is/was a moron when all of this gets resolved. Time will tell.I will say this though, if he had played this year for $3M and gotten badly hurt, he ABSOLUTELY would have been a moron for accepting that "deal" in retrospect.

he would have been a moron for playing out his contract? he screwed up. not aj smith.

He's not under contract.

he couldnt play until he signed his tender. the bolts controlled him. i'd say he was obligated.

He was a Restricted Free Agent. He was under no contract. He chose not to play. Not that complicated and there certainly was no obligation.

 

[meatwad1]

Whether he likes it or not, his behavior has a huge effect on what is going on right now. Getting in legal trouble once is one thing, once you do the same thing twice, teams are going to generally steer clear of your services unless they are cheap.

Had he not been in all this trouble, some team would have been willing to sign him and give up a pick. This is no different than anyone else who gets a drunk driving ticket...if you got one yesterday and were out looking for any type of job, your prospects would be a lot dimmer. If you had two, you would probably have to look at ways to employ yourself. Employers do not want to have to deal with that kind of stuff.

 

[craxie]

SCENARIO #1:

If SD misses Jackson enough and the passing game struggles or sustains injuries at WR, then it is still possible to try to work things out in the short term

AJ would rather go 0-16 than back downi cannot impress enough how much VJ is D-O-N-E with the Chargers

Doubt things work out this way, but never say never...

I'll say 'never'

Why let Jackson be available as soon as week 4 to another team when the Chargers benefit from that team losing games.

It's a clever thought . . . it's funny . . . but that will never be a consideration

 

[thehornet]

jackson is a moron. he probably has ruined his career. taken himself out of the spotlight in his prime. really smart.

LOL. Yeah, nobody's talking about Vincent Jackson right now. I know that's not really what you meant by that statement, but I thought the wording was funny.We'll see if Jackson is/was a moron when all of this gets resolved. Time will tell.I will say this though, if he had played this year for $3M and gotten badly hurt, he ABSOLUTELY would have been a moron for accepting that "deal" in retrospect.

he would have been a moron for playing out his contract? he screwed up. not aj smith.

God am I sick of this blatant lack of understanding (and sorry about the rant, this applies to a LOT more people that you). Not only did he play out his FULL rookie contract (which pretty much NO successful non-first-rounder ever does), he was RIDICULOUSLY underpaid for it for basically the whole time. He has paid his dues more than any other player I can think of. Name me a guy who done more for less over the past 5 years. Please.It is only the fluke of the no-cap season that is holding him hostage here. While the Chargers hold his "rights", he is under no obligation to play for them - legally, contractually, morally, or any other way. While he can ONLY play for the Chargers (per the CBA fluke), he doesn't "have" to play for anyone (any more than a rookie has to play for the team that drafted him if they happened to offer him less than half of his market value).

i get it dude. just because he isnt under contract doesnt mean he isnt controlled by SD. seems as though you dont understand the restricted part of this situation.

 

[David Yudkin]

Shefter was talking about this on Mike and Mike this morning. Jackson's tender got reduced to around $1 million when he didn't sign the initial $3m million RFA tender (just like Logan Mankins). With him missing 6 games, that means we would have to come back to play for like $600K.

The only reason he got in this mess is due to the lack of a CBA beyond this season. That changed the threshold for a UFA from 4 years to 6 years. Jackson has played 5 seasons.

Since there won't be football next year without a CBA, Jackson would qualify as a UFA next year (unless they change the rules), so he really has no incentive to play this year. Given that he wants a $50 million deal with $30 million guaranteed, risking an injury for $600K is not that great an option when (he thinks( he could go out on the open market whenever a new CBA is agreed upon.

So whether he plays on the Chargers or another team, without a new contract, he probably won't want to play this year.

 

[az_prof]

I am not judging VJax's intention to hold out, but people who make him sound like a victim or a hero for playing out his contract are being a bit naive. The claim that he 'played out his rookie contract which is almost unheard of' is really an exaggeration. Most rookie contracts are played out; the exception is when a player plays far and above beyond expectations. If you look at VJax, his first year he did nothing. Surely he wouldn't expect a new contract based on it. His second year he had 27 receptions. His first two years he under performed his contract and draft status as a second round pick. Third year he had 41 receptions for 623 yards; again, probably slightly below what you would expect from a second round pick in his third year. He didn't break out until his fourth year, and while good, it wasn't like he was a top receiver; he had 59 for just over a thousand yards. It certainly wasn't the kind of year where a guy could expect a new contract extension. It wasn't until his fifth year where he really had a top notch season. And now he is a RFA.

So, it isn't accurate to pretend that he has been a patient player just playing out his contract while being underpaid. He wasn't under paid given what he did. And in the meantime he has had two DUIs and a league suspension of three games that could become much longer if he gets drunk and drives one more time.

Another consideration is age and the potential Hold Out in 2011. He is not young; he is 27 now. If he doesn't play this season and there is a hold out in 2011, by the time he suits up again in 2012 he will have missed two years of football and he will be 29 years old. His negotiating leverage was not that good and he should have tried to sign a three year deal for much less than he was seeking.

 

[Tau837]

jackson is a moron. he probably has ruined his career. taken himself out of the spotlight in his prime. really smart.

LOL. Yeah, nobody's talking about Vincent Jackson right now. I know that's not really what you meant by that statement, but I thought the wording was funny.We'll see if Jackson is/was a moron when all of this gets resolved. Time will tell.

I will say this though, if he had played this year for $3M and gotten badly hurt, he ABSOLUTELY would have been a moron for accepting that "deal" in retrospect.

he would have been a moron for playing out his contract? he screwed up. not aj smith.

God am I sick of this blatant lack of understanding (and sorry about the rant, this applies to a LOT more people that you). Not only did he play out his FULL rookie contract (which pretty much NO successful non-first-rounder ever does), he was RIDICULOUSLY underpaid for it for basically the whole time. He has paid his dues more than any other player I can think of. Name me a guy who done more for less over the past 5 years. Please.It is only the fluke of the no-cap season that is holding him hostage here. While the Chargers hold his "rights", he is under no obligation to play for them - legally, contractually, morally, or any other way. While he can ONLY play for the Chargers (per the CBA fluke), he doesn't "have" to play for anyone (any more than a rookie has to play for the team that drafted him if they happened to offer him less than half of his market value).

For someone ranting about a lack of understanding of this situation, it's ironic that you are saying the bolded.In his first three seasons, he had a combined total of 71/1135/9 receiving in 39 games. Was he RIDICULOUSLY underpaid in those seasons?

 

[thehornet]

jackson is a moron. he probably has ruined his career. taken himself out of the spotlight in his prime. really smart.

LOL. Yeah, nobody's talking about Vincent Jackson right now. I know that's not really what you meant by that statement, but I thought the wording was funny.We'll see if Jackson is/was a moron when all of this gets resolved. Time will tell.

I will say this though, if he had played this year for $3M and gotten badly hurt, he ABSOLUTELY would have been a moron for accepting that "deal" in retrospect.

he would have been a moron for playing out his contract? he screwed up. not aj smith.

God am I sick of this blatant lack of understanding (and sorry about the rant, this applies to a LOT more people that you). Not only did he play out his FULL rookie contract (which pretty much NO successful non-first-rounder ever does), he was RIDICULOUSLY underpaid for it for basically the whole time. He has paid his dues more than any other player I can think of. Name me a guy who done more for less over the past 5 years. Please.It is only the fluke of the no-cap season that is holding him hostage here. While the Chargers hold his "rights", he is under no obligation to play for them - legally, contractually, morally, or any other way. While he can ONLY play for the Chargers (per the CBA fluke), he doesn't "have" to play for anyone (any more than a rookie has to play for the team that drafted him if they happened to offer him less than half of his market value).

For someone ranting about a lack of understanding of this situation, it's ironic that you are saying the bolded.In his first three seasons, he had a combined total of 71/1135/9 receiving in 39 games. Was he RIDICULOUSLY underpaid in those seasons?

 

[Tau837]

I am not judging VJax's intention to hold out, but people who make him sound like a victim or a hero for playing out his contract are being a bit naive. The claim that he 'played out his rookie contract which is almost unheard of' is really an exaggeration. Most rookie contracts are played out; the exception is when a player plays far and above beyond expectations. If you look at VJax, his first year he did nothing. Surely he wouldn't expect a new contract based on it. His second year he had 27 receptions. His first two years he under performed his contract and draft status as a second round pick. Third year he had 41 receptions for 623 yards; again, probably slightly below what you would expect from a second round pick in his third year. He didn't break out until his fourth year, and while good, it wasn't like he was a top receiver; he had 59 for just over a thousand yards. It certainly wasn't the kind of year where a guy could expect a new contract extension. It wasn't until his fifth year where he really had a top notch season. And now he is a RFA. So, it isn't accurate to pretend that he has been a patient player just playing out his contract while being underpaid. He wasn't under paid given what he did. And in the meantime he has had two DUIs and a league suspension of three games that could become much longer if he gets drunk and drives one more time.

 

[Riffraff]

Since his agents are loaning him the 300K+ he's due this year, he has no reason to play. Though if the Chargers defy the odds and somehow win the Super Bowl without him, he falls in the moron category IMO.

I wonder if the Chargers will be able to franchise him next year. Since we don't know what the CBA will say, it'll be interesting to see if that plays out.

 

[geoff8695]

SCENARIO #1:

If SD misses Jackson enough and the passing game struggles or sustains injuries at WR, then it is still possible to try to work things out in the short term

AJ would rather go 0-16 than back downi cannot impress enough how much VJ is D-O-N-E with the Chargers

Doubt things work out this way, but never say never...

I'll say 'never'

Why let Jackson be available as soon as week 4 to another team when the Chargers benefit from that team losing games.

It's a clever thought . . . it's funny . . . but that will never be a consideration

If VJ is "D-O-N-E with the Chargers" and reports are accurate... Then at least one team IS already willing to give Jackson a one year deal acceptable to VJax and his representatives (and reportedly only AJ and the Chargers high demands stopped this trade from happening). So why exactly can't it be a consideration?

If AJ is hell-bent on "winning vs. VJax" AND "winning as NFL GM", then it makes perfect sense to upgrade the 'potential' for a 'possible' compensatory pick at the end of the 3rd or 4th into a guaranteed high 2nd or 3rd rounder (while also doing everything in his power to increase the value of the traded draft pick(s) by not making VJ available to his new team until around midseason - thereby further 'sticking it' to Jackson). Not only does AJ get vindication by 'sticking it' to Jackson, he also looks like a genius because he gets MUCH more value in trading for a hapless team's high 2nd, or even 3rd round pick, in what is expected to be a pretty good 2011 draft class.

You really don't think AJ would be giddy to the point of laughing himself to sleep the night after completing that kind of a coup?

 

[Holy Schneikes]

jackson is a moron. he probably has ruined his career. taken himself out of the spotlight in his prime. really smart.

LOL. Yeah, nobody's talking about Vincent Jackson right now. I know that's not really what you meant by that statement, but I thought the wording was funny.We'll see if Jackson is/was a moron when all of this gets resolved. Time will tell.

I will say this though, if he had played this year for $3M and gotten badly hurt, he ABSOLUTELY would have been a moron for accepting that "deal" in retrospect.

he would have been a moron for playing out his contract? he screwed up. not aj smith.

God am I sick of this blatant lack of understanding (and sorry about the rant, this applies to a LOT more people that you). Not only did he play out his FULL rookie contract (which pretty much NO successful non-first-rounder ever does), he was RIDICULOUSLY underpaid for it for basically the whole time. He has paid his dues more than any other player I can think of. Name me a guy who done more for less over the past 5 years. Please.It is only the fluke of the no-cap season that is holding him hostage here. While the Chargers hold his "rights", he is under no obligation to play for them - legally, contractually, morally, or any other way. While he can ONLY play for the Chargers (per the CBA fluke), he doesn't "have" to play for anyone (any more than a rookie has to play for the team that drafted him if they happened to offer him less than half of his market value).

For someone ranting about a lack of understanding of this situation, it's ironic that you are saying the bolded.In his first three seasons, he had a combined total of 71/1135/9 receiving in 39 games. Was he RIDICULOUSLY underpaid in those seasons?

Yes, he was. Show me another rookie, (or heck, another player) who made less money and produced more. I don't think folks understand how little Jackson has made in the NFL.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

jackson is a moron. he probably has ruined his career. taken himself out of the spotlight in his prime. really smart.

LOL. Yeah, nobody's talking about Vincent Jackson right now. I know that's not really what you meant by that statement, but I thought the wording was funny.We'll see if Jackson is/was a moron when all of this gets resolved. Time will tell.I will say this though, if he had played this year for $3M and gotten badly hurt, he ABSOLUTELY would have been a moron for accepting that "deal" in retrospect.

he would have been a moron for playing out his contract? he screwed up. not aj smith.

God am I sick of this blatant lack of understanding (and sorry about the rant, this applies to a LOT more people that you). Not only did he play out his FULL rookie contract (which pretty much NO successful non-first-rounder ever does), he was RIDICULOUSLY underpaid for it for basically the whole time. He has paid his dues more than any other player I can think of. Name me a guy who done more for less over the past 5 years. Please.It is only the fluke of the no-cap season that is holding him hostage here. While the Chargers hold his "rights", he is under no obligation to play for them - legally, contractually, morally, or any other way. While he can ONLY play for the Chargers (per the CBA fluke), he doesn't "have" to play for anyone (any more than a rookie has to play for the team that drafted him if they happened to offer him less than half of his market value).

i get it dude. just because he isnt under contract doesnt mean he isnt controlled by SD. seems as though you dont understand the restricted part of this situation.

I totally understand restricted. He is restricted to playing only for the Chargers if the Chargers want it that way. That does not mean what you said it meant, that he is obligated to play for the Chargers if he doesn't like the deal they offer. There is no obligation for him to play.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

I am not judging VJax's intention to hold out, but people who make him sound like a victim or a hero for playing out his contract are being a bit naive. The claim that he 'played out his rookie contract which is almost unheard of' is really an exaggeration. Most rookie contracts are played out; the exception is when a player plays far and above beyond expectations. If you look at VJax, his first year he did nothing. Surely he wouldn't expect a new contract based on it. His second year he had 27 receptions. His first two years he under performed his contract and draft status as a second round pick. Third year he had 41 receptions for 623 yards; again, probably slightly below what you would expect from a second round pick in his third year. He didn't break out until his fourth year, and while good, it wasn't like he was a top receiver; he had 59 for just over a thousand yards. It certainly wasn't the kind of year where a guy could expect a new contract extension. It wasn't until his fifth year where he really had a top notch season. And now he is a RFA. So, it isn't accurate to pretend that he has been a patient player just playing out his contract while being underpaid. He wasn't under paid given what he did. And in the meantime he has had two DUIs and a league suspension of three games that could become much longer if he gets drunk and drives one more time.Another consideration is age and the potential Hold Out in 2011. He is not young; he is 27 now. If he doesn't play this season and there is a hold out in 2011, by the time he suits up again in 2012 he will have missed two years of football and he will be 29 years old. His negotiating leverage was not that good and he should have tried to sign a three year deal for much less than he was seeking.

By the end his SECOND season, he had games like 5 for 114 and a TD and 7 for 93 and a TD, and 6 for 93 in the PLAYOFFS. He was very possibly the team's MVP for the playoffs, making giant play after giant play. He was also making considerably LESS than a million dollars that season. I'll ask again (since I was pwnd), can anyone name a receiver that came anywhere near those accomplishments that was making the kind of money he was making?If you want to make a case for him NOT overperforming in his rookie year, go right ahead. But he was a fairly raw prospect coming out of school and the Chargers knew it. Kind of high expectations to think that a raw, low 2nd rounder would be starting his rookie year, but hey, I'll give you that one. But every year after that he was making essentially nothing and making big plays when called upon. You'd have to totally ignore the playoffs (which is probably what most did by looking at the end of year stats) in his second year to remotely approach "overpaid" in his 2nd year.For comparison sake, Buster Davis was guaranteed $5.4M the day he walked into Charger's camp as a rookie. That's also about what Chris Chambers made the year SD acquired him (of course they paid him another $5M the year after that when Jackson was making him look pathetic). Those two guys BOTH made about 50% more in one year than Vincent Jackson over his ENTIRE FIVE YEAR CONTRACT.Yeah, Jackson was a SMIDGE underpaid.

 

[Louisville Slugger]

I am not judging VJax's intention to hold out, but people who make him sound like a victim or a hero for playing out his contract are being a bit naive. The claim that he 'played out his rookie contract which is almost unheard of' is really an exaggeration. Most rookie contracts are played out; the exception is when a player plays far and above beyond expectations. If you look at VJax, his first year he did nothing. Surely he wouldn't expect a new contract based on it. His second year he had 27 receptions. His first two years he under performed his contract and draft status as a second round pick. Third year he had 41 receptions for 623 yards; again, probably slightly below what you would expect from a second round pick in his third year. He didn't break out until his fourth year, and while good, it wasn't like he was a top receiver; he had 59 for just over a thousand yards. It certainly wasn't the kind of year where a guy could expect a new contract extension. It wasn't until his fifth year where he really had a top notch season. And now he is a RFA. So, it isn't accurate to pretend that he has been a patient player just playing out his contract while being underpaid. He wasn't under paid given what he did. And in the meantime he has had two DUIs and a league suspension of three games that could become much longer if he gets drunk and drives one more time.Another consideration is age and the potential Hold Out in 2011. He is not young; he is 27 now. If he doesn't play this season and there is a hold out in 2011, by the time he suits up again in 2012 he will have missed two years of football and he will be 29 years old. His negotiating leverage was not that good and he should have tried to sign a three year deal for much less than he was seeking.

By the end his SECOND season, he had games like 5 for 114 and a TD and 7 for 93 and a TD, and 6 for 93 in the PLAYOFFS. He was very possibly the team's MVP for the playoffs, making giant play after giant play. He was also making considerably LESS than a million dollars that season. I'll ask again (since I was pwnd), can anyone name a receiver that came anywhere near those accomplishments that was making the kind of money he was making?If you want to make a case for him NOT overperforming in his rookie year, go right ahead. But he was a fairly raw prospect coming out of school and the Chargers knew it. Kind of high expectations to think that a raw, low 2nd rounder would be starting his rookie year, but hey, I'll give you that one. But every year after that he was making essentially nothing and making big plays when called upon. You'd have to totally ignore the playoffs (which is probably what most did by looking at the end of year stats) in his second year to remotely approach "overpaid" in his 2nd year.For comparison sake, Buster Davis was guaranteed $5.4M the day he walked into Charger's camp as a rookie. That's also about what Chris Chambers made the year SD acquired him (of course they paid him another $5M the year after that when Jackson was making him look pathetic). Those two guys BOTH made about 50% more in one year than Vincent Jackson over his ENTIRE FIVE YEAR CONTRACT.Yeah, Jackson was a SMIDGE underpaid.

Oh well, looks like a 12th round pick just went down the drain for no reason. I doubt he will be back in 2010.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Still think he gets traded before midseason. Some team is going to deem him the missing part to a playoff run.

 

[bjabrad]

NFL player = highly paid slave

Vincent Jackson wants to be higher paid according to his market value and he deserves it. Add Chris Johnson to this list.

 

[thehornet]

I totally understand restricted. He is restricted to playing only for the Chargers if the Chargers want it that way. That does not mean what you said it meant, that he is obligated to play for the Chargers if he doesn't like the deal they offer. There is no obligation for him to play.

no, i did not say he was obligated to play for the chargers.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

I totally understand restricted. He is restricted to playing only for the Chargers if the Chargers want it that way. That does not mean what you said it meant, that he is obligated to play for the Chargers if he doesn't like the deal they offer. There is no obligation for him to play.

no, i did not say he was obligated to play for the chargers.

Actually, you did.First, you said he should have played out his contract (which of course he did).Then, when called on that, you said:

the bolts controlled him. i'd say he was obligated.

Of course you will say you didn't mean he was obligated to play (which you probably DID mean since you thought he was under contract). But I'm not sure how that could be interpreted any other way that would have any meaning. The point is that he's not OBLIGATED to do ANYTHING (by any measure) - and he isn't.It's OK to be wrong.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

NFL player = highly paid slave

Vincent Jackson wants to be higher paid according to his market value and he deserves it. Add Chris Johnson to this list.

In what way?

 

[Touchdown Syndrome]

I totally understand restricted. He is restricted to playing only for the Chargers if the Chargers want it that way. That does not mean what you said it meant, that he is obligated to play for the Chargers if he doesn't like the deal they offer. There is no obligation for him to play.

no, i did not say he was obligated to play for the chargers.

Actually, you did.First, you said he should have played out his contract (which of course he did).Then, when called on that, you said:

the bolts controlled him. i'd say he was obligated.

Of course you will say you didn't mean he was obligated to play (which you probably DID mean since you thought he was under contract). But I'm not sure how that could be interpreted any other way that would have any meaning. The point is that he's not OBLIGATED to do ANYTHING (by any measure) - and he isn't.It's OK to be wrong.

 

[billyjohnson]

 

[Kenny Powers]

If Jackson is in football limbo, I think he's a lot closer to Saito's limbo than Cobb's limbo

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

By the end his SECOND season, he had games like 5 for 114 and a TD and 7 for 93 and a TD, and 6 for 93 in the PLAYOFFS. He was very possibly the team's MVP for the playoffs, making giant play after giant play. He was also making considerably LESS than a million dollars that season. I'll ask again (since I was pwnd), can anyone name a receiver that came anywhere near those accomplishments that was making the kind of money he was making?

Marques Colston, Jericho Cotchery, Brandon Marshall, Steve Smith (NYG), Mike Sims-Walker when he's healthy . . .

If you want to make a case for him NOT overperforming in his rookie year, go right ahead. But he was a fairly raw prospect coming out of school and the Chargers knew it. Kind of high expectations to think that a raw, low 2nd rounder would be starting his rookie year, but hey, I'll give you that one.

He wasn't expected to start his rookie year, and indeed he paid like a starter. He was paid like someone who played more than he did, though.

But every year after that he was making essentially nothing and making big plays when called upon.

He wasn't paid essentially nothing. He was paid like a second-rounder. That's how the slotting system works for draft picks. Aside from the top few picks, rookies (and players in their rookie contracts) make less than veterans for the same expected production. He was paid what he was supposed to be paid based on his draft slot. Draft picks generally don't hit their big payday until either they become unrestricted free agents, or until they greatly outperform their contract. In Jackson's case, he didn't greatly outperform his contract (to the point where a renegotiation would be appropriate) until 2009 when his contract was up. It sucks for him that he didn't become an unrestricted free agent this year, and you can say that the $3.2 million offered to him this year would be a gross underpayment going forward. But I don't see how you can say he was grossly underpaid his first four years in the league.

For comparison sake, Buster Davis was guaranteed $5.4M the day he walked into Charger's camp as a rookie.

Davis was a first-round pick, and has been overpaid compared to his production just like Jackson was underpaid (at least in 2009) compared to his production. But that's how those things work. Rookie contracts are based on draft slot.

 

[thehornet]

I totally understand restricted. He is restricted to playing only for the Chargers if the Chargers want it that way. That does not mean what you said it meant, that he is obligated to play for the Chargers if he doesn't like the deal they offer. There is no obligation for him to play.

no, i did not say he was obligated to play for the chargers.

Actually, you did.First, you said he should have played out his contract (which of course he did).Then, when called on that, you said:

the bolts controlled him. i'd say he was obligated.

Of course you will say you didn't mean he was obligated to play (which you probably DID mean since you thought he was under contract). But I'm not sure how that could be interpreted any other way that would have any meaning. The point is that he's not OBLIGATED to do ANYTHING (by any measure) - and he isn't.It's OK to be wrong.

no, not owned. I never said he was obligated to play for SD and didnt imply it either ANYWHERE OR EVER. If he had no obligation to SD then he could sign anywhere. but i was wrong about the contract at first. i thought he had some left.

 

[Willie Mays Hayes]

After watching the Vikings tonight, it appears there is a trade market for V-Jax's services as early as next week. They need to do something dramatic or risk losing their window with the 2010 season.

 

[jerseydevil20]

After watching the Vikings tonight, it appears there is a trade market for V-Jax's services as early as next week. They need to do something dramatic or risk losing their window with the 2010 season.

I had the same thought. Can't remember where I saw it, but wasn't there a rumor that the team that had worked out a deal was an NFC team? Seems logical that team may have been the Vikes. They passed on TJ... Maybe there will be some movement with the arbitrator this week.

 

[az_prof]

After watching the Vikings tonight, it appears there is a trade market for V-Jax's services as early as next week. They need to do something dramatic or risk losing their window with the 2010 season.

I had the same thought. Can't remember where I saw it, but wasn't there a rumor that the team that had worked out a deal was an NFC team? Seems logical that team may have been the Vikes. They passed on TJ... Maybe there will be some movement with the arbitrator this week.

What good is he though if he has to sit out 6 games; the season will be over by then for the Vikings and Rice will be back almost the same time anyway. Even three games isn't good.

 

[Joe Summer]

Vincent Jackson is obligated to sit on his couch the rest of the year.

 

[MrSoup]

Somebody just needs to go ahead and say that Vincent Jackson really isn't THAT good.

Definitely not worth the money he is asking for.

 

[two_dollars]

After watching the Vikings tonight, it appears there is a trade market for V-Jax's services as early as next week. They need to do something dramatic or risk losing their window with the 2010 season.

There's still that suspension thing..

 

[Tau837]

After watching the Vikings tonight, it appears there is a trade market for V-Jax's services as early as next week. They need to do something dramatic or risk losing their window with the 2010 season.

Jackson can't be traded until he reports. He can't report until after San Diego's third game. So he definitely can't be traded next week.Then there is the issue of whether or not he will have to sit out the extra three games for San Diego's roster exemption if he is traded. He may not be able to play until after 6 weeks. And all of that is if he is even traded, which seems unlikely at this point.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

After watching the Vikings tonight, it appears there is a trade market for V-Jax's services as early as next week. They need to do something dramatic or risk losing their window with the 2010 season.

Jackson can't be traded until he reports. He can't report until after San Diego's third game. So he definitely can't be traded next week.Then there is the issue of whether or not he will have to sit out the extra three games for San Diego's roster exemption if he is traded. He may not be able to play until after 6 weeks. And all of that is if he is even traded, which seems unlikely at this point.

What a mess. I hope VJax is good with balancing his checkbook because when he's sitting home this fall, and next fall in the lockout, he is gonna regret being so demanding.

 

[snogger]

After watching the Vikings tonight, it appears there is a trade market for V-Jax's services as early as next week. They need to do something dramatic or risk losing their window with the 2010 season.

I had the same thought. Can't remember where I saw it, but wasn't there a rumor that the team that had worked out a deal was an NFC team? Seems logical that team may have been the Vikes. They passed on TJ... Maybe there will be some movement with the arbitrator this week.

What good is he though if he has to sit out 6 games; the season will be over by then for the Vikings and Rice will be back almost the same time anyway. Even three games isn't good.

There is a good chance his suspension is reduced to 3 games. Vikings have a Bye week on week 4.. Great time to get him in the fold! Don't over pay for him, but if you can get him for a couple mid round draft picks..... If Rice comes back, and that is a big IF right now, the Receiving core will be solid if they add VJ to the Mix.. Rice, VJ, Harvin, Carmillo, Shanincoe =

 

[David Yudkin]

The part that people seem to be forgetting is that while a team might part with a couple of draft picks to get Jackson, he's still going to want a $50 million contract and half of it guaranteed.

Just getting him to play the remainder of this season seems unlikely, as he'd be playing for the same low amount, just on another team.

 

[David Yudkin]

After watching the Vikings tonight, it appears there is a trade market for V-Jax's services as early as next week. They need to do something dramatic or risk losing their window with the 2010 season.

Jackson can't be traded until he reports. He can't report until after San Diego's third game. So he definitely can't be traded next week.Then there is the issue of whether or not he will have to sit out the extra three games for San Diego's roster exemption if he is traded. He may not be able to play until after 6 weeks. And all of that is if he is even traded, which seems unlikely at this point.

I believe Jackson could be signed at any point after he signs his tender, whether he's suspended or not. The Steelers traded Holmes when he was suspended.The issue (which is being hashed out) is whether he would have to miss the 3 other games or not. So I don't think getting traded or not matters, it's when he would be eligible to play that is in question . . . whether it be for SD or another team.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

The issue (which is being hashed out) is whether he would have to miss the 3 other games or not. So I don't think getting traded or not matters, it's when he would be eligible to play that is in question . . . whether it be for SD or another team.

And his trade value for a one year deal is probably different if he can only play 10 games than it is if he can play 13.

 

[fruity pebbles]

The part that people seem to be forgetting is that while a team might part with a couple of draft picks to get Jackson, he's still going to want a $50 million contract and half of it guaranteed.Just getting him to play the remainder of this season seems unlikely, as he'd be playing for the same low amount, just on another team.

Didnt he reportedly have a one year deal worked out with another team? If i had to guess prob in the 6-7 million range. Problem was the team didnt want to pay SD what they wanted in draft picks for a one year rental.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

From Mike Florio/PFT:

The NFL believes that the placement of Chargers receiver Vincent Jackson on the roster exempt list knocks him out of the first six games of the regular season, even if he is traded. The NFL Players Association believes that a trade removes Jackson from the roster exempt list, cutting his unavailability in half.A league source tells us that the matter will be resolved via a hearing held on September 16.The issue will be resolved by Special Master Stephen Burbank, who has the initial authority to resolve certain disputes under the labor agreement. An expedited ruling is expected to be made after the hearing.Jackson's agents have said that an unnamed and, for now, unknown team had worked out a one-year contract with Jackson on Saturday, but that the Chargers and the unnamed team could not work out the terms of a trade. Presumably, that team would remain interested in trading for Jackson, if it's determined that he'd miss only three games of the season, the duration of his suspension for multiple DUI guilty pleas.