Glenn Beck (1 Viewer)

[Challenge Everything]

BTW, Glen Beck ratings came out...amazing...#1 in 25-40 Demo....#2 overall.

Glenn Beck Tops 1M Viewers in Demo Thursday, #1 on Cable News

By Chris Ariens on Oct 17, 2009 10:41 AM

On Thursday, with the Anita Dunn-FNC frenzy still percolating, Glenn Beck had the #1 show on cable news in the A25-54 demo averaging 1M viewers. Beck was second only to Bill O'Reilly in Total Viewers with 3.22M. And this is where we remind you Beck's show airs at 5pmET/2pmPT.

People like to have reinforcement of their personal views. People also like to hear a voice say something they are afraid of saying. Even if what is thought and what is said as well as heard have no truth to it. Beck is near the top of the list of people who say things others want to that are opinions... very little to no fact backing these opinions. Good luck with the Beck love and misinformation. Same goes for Rush.

Where is all this misinformation??? Beck plays video and audio of people then gives his commentary on it. You may think his opinions and antics are over the top, but to say it is misinformation is just wrong. So far the only piece of information the white house pointed out was wrong is when Beck misidentified the Canadian city which lost nearly a billion dollars during the Olympics. Surprisingly, the white house disposed of Van Jones at the same time they were attacking Beck, giving Beck more legitimacy. Beck seems to be the only one willing to really expose the left-wing lunacy who populates the White House, and the fact that the white house seems to be using taxpayer money to monitor and attack Beck is pretty disturbing.

Misinformation, in this case, means that he plays a part of a quote and finishes the statement off with his own commentary. In this case, it means that he plays a part of a quote which is in description of a larger question and finishes it off with his own commentary. In this case, he plays the quote and does not give appropriate context as to the what, where, when, why, who, and how in which the statement was made. The misinformation comes in when he plays a soundbite, which is ~20 seconds or however long it is when the real soundbite is much longer and then adds in his commentary to the portion that was played.Misinformation comes in the form of his commentary. The quotes stand for themselves as snippets of what the full intention of it really was. Anything can be taken out of context as well as skewed to fit an agenda. Beck and others take snippets of information without ever giving the full context or the full meaning of what is stated thus misinforming the viewer that does watch him and then spreads his "news" as fact.

If you have to ask where the misinformation is... unfortunately, you might have already been indoctrinated into the "snippet and quote" media many cable news channels use. Unfortunately, it would appear, you are allowing Beck to tell you what to think instead of informing yourself to the full picture and coming to your own conclusion.

 

[jon_mx]

BTW, the red phone Beck installed was pure genius. The White House can smear Beck behind his back with unsupported accusations, but so far they have been afraid to call in and challenge Beck on any fact. Over 3 million viewers and growing.

Prediction: in one year his audience will be less than half that. Assuming he hasn't been committed to an insane asylum or "day spa" for "exhaustion" by then.

Beck will be #1 in all categories by next year....close to 4 million viewers

 

[jon_mx]

Misinformation, in this case, means that he plays a part of a quote and finishes the statement off with his own commentary. In this case, it means that he plays a part of a quote which is in description of a larger question and finishes it off with his own commentary. In this case, he plays the quote and does not give appropriate context as to the what, where, when, why, who, and how in which the statement was made. The misinformation comes in when he plays a soundbite, which is ~20 seconds or however long it is when the real soundbite is much longer and then adds in his commentary to the portion that was played.Misinformation comes in the form of his commentary. The quotes stand for themselves as snippets of what the full intention of it really was. Anything can be taken out of context as well as skewed to fit an agenda. Beck and others take snippets of information without ever giving the full context or the full meaning of what is stated thus misinforming the viewer that does watch him and then spreads his "news" as fact. If you have to ask where the misinformation is... unfortunately, you might have already been indoctrinated into the "snippet and quote" media many cable news channels use. Unfortunately, it would appear, you are allowing Beck to tell you what to think instead of informing yourself to the full picture and coming to your own conclusion.

As opposed to the left, who just makes up quotes completely like they did with Rush. Rush had fake quotes blasted all over the media this week. This is ridiculous. These people from Jeramiah Wright to Van Jones to this new lady all say the same BS about snippets. What a bunch of crap. It wasn't like they took three words and filled in the rest. All these so-called 'snippets' had numerous sentences before and after with all the context needed to make a judgement. You have to be on crack to claim it is misinformation. It is clear as day what they said and meant. Do you need a 30 minute clip? Beck plays more than enough to get context...much more than you typically see in the news.

 

[Challenge Everything]

Misinformation, in this case, means that he plays a part of a quote and finishes the statement off with his own commentary. In this case, it means that he plays a part of a quote which is in description of a larger question and finishes it off with his own commentary. In this case, he plays the quote and does not give appropriate context as to the what, where, when, why, who, and how in which the statement was made. The misinformation comes in when he plays a soundbite, which is ~20 seconds or however long it is when the real soundbite is much longer and then adds in his commentary to the portion that was played.Misinformation comes in the form of his commentary. The quotes stand for themselves as snippets of what the full intention of it really was. Anything can be taken out of context as well as skewed to fit an agenda. Beck and others take snippets of information without ever giving the full context or the full meaning of what is stated thus misinforming the viewer that does watch him and then spreads his "news" as fact. If you have to ask where the misinformation is... unfortunately, you might have already been indoctrinated into the "snippet and quote" media many cable news channels use. Unfortunately, it would appear, you are allowing Beck to tell you what to think instead of informing yourself to the full picture and coming to your own conclusion.

As opposed to the left, who just makes up quotes completely like they did with Rush. Rush had fake quotes blasted all over the media this week. This is ridiculous. These people from Jeramiah Wright to Van Jones to this new lady all say the same BS about snippets. What a bunch of crap. It wasn't like they took three words and filled in the rest. All these so-called 'snippets' had numerous sentences before and after with all the context needed to make a judgement. You have to be on crack to claim it is misinformation. It is clear as day what they said and meant. Do you need a 30 minute clip? Beck plays more than enough to get context...much more than you typically see in the news.

Did I or have I ever parleyed my thoughts above to not include others? You are the one being ridiculous because you are resorting to low ball tactics to use for your fights. I have never, will never, back up the "snippet and quote" media that you adhere to. Because you use the "the left does it therefore the right should" response simply shows your lack of knowledge when it comes to what "news" is all about. Take the high road and move away from all "snippet and quote" media and you will be much better off.And, to say "the left does the same" is a rather elementary form of debate. I do not see the "left" do it nor do I see the "right" do it. I do see individuals with agendas do it though and those same agenda ridden people are the ones who continue to do it because it pays them to do it. The individuals who do not listen to the "snippet and quote" media are the ones not paying for it out of their pocket. If you and others quit paying these guys, the tactic would die out. Unfortunately, it does not look to be dead yet but that does not mean the people who do it are still worthless... because that type of "media" is worthless. HTH

 

[Mr. Retukes]

BTW, the red phone Beck installed was pure genius. The White House can smear Beck behind his back with unsupported accusations, but so far they have been afraid to call in and challenge Beck on any fact. Over 3 million viewers and growing.

Prediction: in one year his audience will be less than half that. Assuming he hasn't been committed to an insane asylum or "day spa" for "exhaustion" by then.

Beck will be #1 in all categories by next year....close to 4 million viewers

Do you say that because you think he will be able to keep the visual trainwreck/soap opera going, causing another million people to watch the freakshow just to see what crazy things he will say next? Or do you say that because you believe there's another million people out there who earnestly believe the things that he says and want to subscribe to his newsletter?

 

[Brutis]

BTW, the red phone Beck installed was pure genius. The White House can smear Beck behind his back with unsupported accusations, but so far they have been afraid to call in and challenge Beck on any fact. Over 3 million viewers and growing.

Prediction: in one year his audience will be less than half that. Assuming he hasn't been committed to an insane asylum or "day spa" for "exhaustion" by then.

Beck will be #1 in all categories by next year....close to 4 million viewers

Do you say that because you think he will be able to keep the visual trainwreck/soap opera going, causing another million people to watch the freakshow just to see what crazy things he will say next? Or do you say that because you believe there's another million people out there who earnestly believe the things that he says and want to subscribe to his newsletter?

A lot of Obama hate out there, deal with it.B

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

So you see no problem in saying:A: She has the right to say, read, think or believe whatever she wants; andB: I'm going to join the lynch mob to try to get her thrown out of her job for believing and saying something even though it has nothing to do with her job.Hokay!

Libertarians believe that being free and independent is a great way to live. We want a system which encourages all people to choose what they want from life; that lets them live, love, work, play, and dream their own way.

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The Libertarian way is a caring, people-centered approach to politics. We believe each individual is unique. We want a system which respects the individual and encourages us to discover the best within ourselves and develop our full potential.

Same as above

"A free and competitive market allocates resources in the most efficient manner. Each person has the right to offer goods and services to others on the free market. The only proper role of government in the economic realm is to protect property rights, adjudicate disputes, and provide a legal framework in which voluntary trade is protected. All efforts by government to redistribute wealth, or to control or manage trade, are improper in a free society." - Libertarian Party Platform, Section 2.0

Not sure the Political Philosophy of Mao fits any of these. Thus a Libertarian would not want anyone to hold public office who would be against the basic principals. Can we agree to that? So by me challenging her thoughts and beliefs is exactly what it is to be a Libertarian because our great Constitution and inalienable rights gives us the opportunity to do so. Mao's Philosophy challenges that and that is why I do not find it acceptable FOR ME. Get it?

 

[Widbil83]

BTW, the red phone Beck installed was pure genius. The White House can smear Beck behind his back with unsupported accusations, but so far they have been afraid to call in and challenge Beck on any fact. Over 3 million viewers and growing.

Prediction: in one year his audience will be less than half that. Assuming he hasn't been committed to an insane asylum or "day spa" for "exhaustion" by then.

Beck will be #1 in all categories by next year....close to 4 million viewers

Beck will probably be moved to primetime by then and have double the viewers he has now if not more.

 

[Daywalker]

Let the Republicans dig their own grave. Just quicken their downward-spiral towards irrelevancy. As the country browns the debate will be between the Democrats and the Progressives. Hundered years from now the term Republican will be like Whig. Good riddance.

 

[FatMax]

I haven't been following this thread at all, and I really don't care to. I just wanted to drop my favorite Beck clip. My apologies if someone has beat me to the punch.

 

[Daywalker]

I haven't been following this thread at all, and I really don't care to. I just wanted to drop my favorite Beck clip. My apologies if someone has beat me to the punch.

What would have been a suitable C? Communism? Crypts? Condoms?

 

[jon_mx]

Let the Republicans dig their own grave. Just quicken their downward-spiral towards irrelevancy. As the country browns the debate will be between the Democrats and the Progressives. Hundered years from now the term Republican will be like Whig. Good riddance.

The only problem with that is the Democrats are diggin much much faster. Their aggressive left-wing big government agenda is really pissing off the public. It has nothing to do with hating Obama, and everything to do with hating trillion dollar budget deficits, more taxes, and more government control over their life. The opinion of the democrat-controlled Congress is dropping faster than Obama. GOP is picking up 20-40 seats in the house in 2010 despite their weakness.. There is a good opportunity for a new party, but I don't see one gaining any steam. Right now Beck is leading the opposition, and it is not hurting the GOP. The GOP is doing a terrible job of making the case for themselves.

 

[Brutis]

Let the Republicans dig their own grave. Just quicken their downward-spiral towards irrelevancy. As the country browns the debate will be between the Democrats and the Progressives. Hundered years from now the term Republican will be like Whig. Good riddance.

The only problem with that is the Democrats are diggin much much faster. Their aggressive left-wing big government agenda is really pissing off the public. It has nothing to do with hating Obama, and everything to do with hating trillion dollar budget deficits, more taxes, and more government control over their life. case for themselves.

Why would anyone be in favor of this? I'll never understand it.

 

[jon_mx]

I have no idea why anyone would favor it, but Obama and the Democrats are pushing higher taxes, increasing energy and insurance costs for everyone, bigger deficit spending, more regulation and bureaucracy. It is no mystery why Congress's approval ratings are in the tank and Obama is losing independents fast.

 

[The Commish]

BTW, Glen Beck ratings came out...amazing...#1 in 25-40 Demo....#2 overall.

Glenn Beck Tops 1M Viewers in Demo Thursday, #1 on Cable News

By Chris Ariens on Oct 17, 2009 10:41 AM

On Thursday, with the Anita Dunn-FNC frenzy still percolating, Glenn Beck had the #1 show on cable news in the A25-54 demo averaging 1M viewers. Beck was second only to Bill O'Reilly in Total Viewers with 3.22M. And this is where we remind you Beck's show airs at 5pmET/2pmPT.

I explain this phenomena as the lhucks affect....others like to call it the trainwreck affect. Either way, good for him for making the spectacle of himself. The one thing that I love about him is he doesn't pretend to be something he's not. I can't count how many times I have heard him qualify his comments as "his opinion" and readily admit that he's "not a journalist". He's just there to stir up the crazy right and seems to be doing a pretty good job. He even has some of the left good and worked up too.

 

[The Commish]

Let the Republicans dig their own grave. Just quicken their downward-spiral towards irrelevancy. As the country browns the debate will be between the Democrats and the Progressives. Hundered years from now the term Republican will be like Whig. Good riddance.

The only problem with that is the Democrats are diggin much much faster. Their aggressive left-wing big government agenda is really pissing off the public. It has nothing to do with hating Obama, and everything to do with hating trillion dollar budget deficits, more taxes, and more government control over their life. The opinion of the democrat-controlled Congress is dropping faster than Obama. GOP is picking up 20-40 seats in the house in 2010 despite their weakness.. There is a good opportunity for a new party, but I don't see one gaining any steam. Right now Beck is leading the opposition, and it is not hurting the GOP. The GOP is doing a terrible job of making the case for themselves.

IF this is the issue with the right, and I am not convinced it is, where was this outrage with the republican leaders of this country? This deficit we have didn't all of a sudden appear in Jan 2009. You can sling comments like this around all you want, but the reality is there is probably not much merit in them. If these were really the issues EVERYONE would have been pissed off at all our politicians for the last 2-3 decades.....party be damned.

 

[bigperm]

Let the Republicans dig their own grave. Just quicken their downward-spiral towards irrelevancy. As the country browns the debate will be between the Democrats and the Progressives. Hundered years from now the term Republican will be like Whig. Good riddance.

The only problem with that is the Democrats are diggin much much faster. Their aggressive left-wing big government agenda is really pissing off the public. It has nothing to do with hating Obama, and everything to do with hating trillion dollar budget deficits, more taxes, and more government control over their life. The opinion of the democrat-controlled Congress is dropping faster than Obama. GOP is picking up 20-40 seats in the house in 2010 despite their weakness.. There is a good opportunity for a new party, but I don't see one gaining any steam. Right now Beck is leading the opposition, and it is not hurting the GOP. The GOP is doing a terrible job of making the case for themselves.

IF this is the issue with the right, and I am not convinced it is, where was this outrage with the republican leaders of this country? This deficit we have didn't all of a sudden appear in Jan 2009. You can sling comments like this around all you want, but the reality is there is probably not much merit in them. If these were really the issues EVERYONE would have been pissed off at all our politicians for the last 2-3 decades.....party be damned.

And this is Becks argument as well. It's time to get back to our roots and take responsibility as individuals and shrink government. But that's not going to happen with organizations like ACLU and Unions who feel that people who are lazy are entitled the same as those that work hard. As long as there is welfare and governmental programs that step in and lift people up who don't take responsibility for their actions, we are going to have problems as a society.

Obama is just making the issues worse in a faster manner.

 

[Class Dismissed]

Let the Republicans dig their own grave. Just quicken their downward-spiral towards irrelevancy. As the country browns the debate will be between the Democrats and the Progressives. Hundered years from now the term Republican will be like Whig. Good riddance.

The only problem with that is the Democrats are diggin much much faster. Their aggressive left-wing big government agenda is really pissing off the public. It has nothing to do with hating Obama, and everything to do with hating trillion dollar budget deficits, more taxes, and more government control over their life. The opinion of the democrat-controlled Congress is dropping faster than Obama. GOP is picking up 20-40 seats in the house in 2010 despite their weakness.. There is a good opportunity for a new party, but I don't see one gaining any steam. Right now Beck is leading the opposition, and it is not hurting the GOP. The GOP is doing a terrible job of making the case for themselves.

IF this is the issue with the right, and I am not convinced it is, where was this outrage with the republican leaders of this country? This deficit we have didn't all of a sudden appear in Jan 2009. You can sling comments like this around all you want, but the reality is there is probably not much merit in them. If these were really the issues EVERYONE would have been pissed off at all our politicians for the last 2-3 decades.....party be damned.

Where have you been?Bush had tremendously low ratings and it wasn't just independents and liberals who were pissed at him, conservatives abandoned him in droves.

Every big government initiative that Bush proposed, conservatives fought him on, in some cases, like Illegal Immigration Amnesty and Harriet Myers they actually won.

The Republicans lost the senate, lost the house, and they did so because they lost the support, both financially and at the polls of conservatives,

 

[Daywalker]

Let the Republicans dig their own grave. Just quicken their downward-spiral towards irrelevancy. As the country browns the debate will be between the Democrats and the Progressives. Hundered years from now the term Republican will be like Whig. Good riddance.

The only problem with that is the Democrats are diggin much much faster. Their aggressive left-wing big government agenda is really pissing off the public. It has nothing to do with hating Obama, and everything to do with hating trillion dollar budget deficits, more taxes, and more government control over their life. The opinion of the democrat-controlled Congress is dropping faster than Obama. GOP is picking up 20-40 seats in the house in 2010 despite their weakness.. There is a good opportunity for a new party, but I don't see one gaining any steam. Right now Beck is leading the opposition, and it is not hurting the GOP. The GOP is doing a terrible job of making the case for themselves.

IF this is the issue with the right, and I am not convinced it is, where was this outrage with the republican leaders of this country? This deficit we have didn't all of a sudden appear in Jan 2009. You can sling comments like this around all you want, but the reality is there is probably not much merit in them. If these were really the issues EVERYONE would have been pissed off at all our politicians for the last 2-3 decades.....party be damned.

As long as there is welfare and governmental programs that step in and lift people up who don't take responsibility for their actions, we are going to have problems as a society.

Are you talking about the bank bailouts?

 

[the moops]

And this is Becks argument as well. It's time to get back to our roots and take responsibility as individuals and shrink government. But that's not going to happen with organizations like ACLU and Unions who feel that people who are lazy are entitled the same as those that work hard.

Do you even know what the ACLU does?

 

[Daywalker]

I have no idea why anyone would favor it, but Obama and the Democrats are pushing higher taxes, increasing energy and insurance costs for everyone, bigger deficit spending, more regulation and bureaucracy. It is no mystery why Congress's approval ratings are in the tank and Obama is losing independents fast.

Higher taxes on the top 1-2% and Universal Healthcare will eventually win out as the middle class erodes. Who doesn't want more regulations on things like, hmm, the banks that stole trillions?

 

[Gigantomachia]

And this is Becks argument as well. It's time to get back to our roots and take responsibility as individuals and shrink government. But that's not going to happen with organizations like ACLU and Unions who feel that people who are lazy are entitled the same as those that work hard.

Do you even know what the ACLU does?

The famous "bootstrap" theory. The last refuge of wanna be political intellectuals. That's right, the only reason people don't do well in this country is because they don't try hard enough. I don't think it will matter moops what perm knows or thinks he knows about the ACLU, he already thinks he knows the means of success.Sad.

 

[The Commish]

Let the Republicans dig their own grave. Just quicken their downward-spiral towards irrelevancy. As the country browns the debate will be between the Democrats and the Progressives. Hundered years from now the term Republican will be like Whig. Good riddance.

The only problem with that is the Democrats are diggin much much faster. Their aggressive left-wing big government agenda is really pissing off the public. It has nothing to do with hating Obama, and everything to do with hating trillion dollar budget deficits, more taxes, and more government control over their life. The opinion of the democrat-controlled Congress is dropping faster than Obama. GOP is picking up 20-40 seats in the house in 2010 despite their weakness.. There is a good opportunity for a new party, but I don't see one gaining any steam. Right now Beck is leading the opposition, and it is not hurting the GOP. The GOP is doing a terrible job of making the case for themselves.

IF this is the issue with the right, and I am not convinced it is, where was this outrage with the republican leaders of this country? This deficit we have didn't all of a sudden appear in Jan 2009. You can sling comments like this around all you want, but the reality is there is probably not much merit in them. If these were really the issues EVERYONE would have been pissed off at all our politicians for the last 2-3 decades.....party be damned.

Where have you been?Bush had tremendously low ratings and it wasn't just independents and liberals who were pissed at him, conservatives abandoned him in droves.

Every big government initiative that Bush proposed, conservatives fought him on, in some cases, like Illegal Immigration Amnesty and Harriet Myers they actually won.

The Republicans lost the senate, lost the house, and they did so because they lost the support, both financially and at the polls of conservatives,

Bush was RE-ELECTED....seems pretty accepting to me. His numbers didn't go in the toilet until near the end of his "reign" (the last couple years) and the conservatives turned on him as an attempt to distance themselves during election years. If one wants to think it was because of something other than politics, that's fine.....I just think that individual is naive.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Libertarians aren't allowed to disagree with someone's opinions. :noted:

 

[Gigantomachia]

Libertarians aren't allowed to disagree with someone's opinions. :noted:

Has nothing to do with agreeing or disagreeing, it has only to do with being able to support one's views with more than mere opinion. You are welcome to exist as a being of mere doxa, just don't expect anyone to give a #### about your opinions when they are trying to solve issues that demand civil discourse. Now that you can take note of.

 

[Sweet J]

And this is Becks argument as well. It's time to get back to our roots and take responsibility as individuals and shrink government. But that's not going to happen with organizations like ACLU and Unions who feel that people who are lazy are entitled the same as those that work hard.

Do you even know what the ACLU does?

The famous "bootstrap" theory. The last refuge of wanna be political intellectuals. That's right, the only reason people don't do well in this country is because they don't try hard enough. I don't think it will matter moops what perm knows or thinks he knows about the ACLU, he already thinks he knows the means of success.Sad.

I dunno, the bootstrap thing is different from the crazy ACLU bashing. I'm starting to come around on that one. There seem to be enough illegal Mexicans who come across the border in the middle of the night with nothing but the shirts on their back and rudimentary grasp of the english language, who seem to do better than fat lazy jackhole Americans. I wish we could work out some sort of trade.

 

[The Commish]

And this is Becks argument as well. It's time to get back to our roots and take responsibility as individuals and shrink government. But that's not going to happen with organizations like ACLU and Unions who feel that people who are lazy are entitled the same as those that work hard.

Do you even know what the ACLU does?

The famous "bootstrap" theory. The last refuge of wanna be political intellectuals. That's right, the only reason people don't do well in this country is because they don't try hard enough. I don't think it will matter moops what perm knows or thinks he knows about the ACLU, he already thinks he knows the means of success.

Sad.

I'm not sure where you are going with this, but this was not what I was saying with my post that he repsonded to and that you quoted here. I am of the opinion that this country is getting lazy. People are voiting with their pocket book and voting for the path of least resistance. People are looking more and more to the government to give to them.And let me be crystal clear on this next point. I have no problem with government programs, if they are set up properly and by properly I mean set up in a way that those taking from the system are required to give back to the system. This is where I think our programs fall INCREDIBLY short. They are designed for folks to take and take and take, but they are rarely required to give back.

 

[tommyGunZ]

I am of the opinion that this country is getting lazy. People are voiting with their pocket book and voting for the path of least resistance. People are looking more and more to the government to give to them.

Why do you think this? I think there is little question that we're more efficient than past generations, due to technological advances and collective knowledge/data as a whole. But are we really more "lazy"? Is there any proof that we're really a bunch of slackers compared to our ancestors? And when did folks not vote with their pocket books and paths of least resistance?

And let me be crystal clear on this next point. I have no problem with government programs, if they are set up properly and by properly I mean set up in a way that those taking from the system are required to give back to the system. This is where I think our programs fall INCREDIBLY short. They are designed for folks to take and take and take, but they are rarely required to give back.

It is extremely difficult to measure how much one gives and takes from our system of government. It can't be measured in dollars and cents. What changes would you make to fix the problems you see?Regardless of what you think about our system, the results are that the vast majority of wealth is being consolidated amongst an extremely small group of people. On the other hand, we are the only advanced country not offering health care to our poorest/least fortunate. Are these the results you want from the society in which you live?

 

[Gigantomachia]

And this is Becks argument as well. It's time to get back to our roots and take responsibility as individuals and shrink government. But that's not going to happen with organizations like ACLU and Unions who feel that people who are lazy are entitled the same as those that work hard.

Do you even know what the ACLU does?

The famous "bootstrap" theory. The last refuge of wanna be political intellectuals. That's right, the only reason people don't do well in this country is because they don't try hard enough. I don't think it will matter moops what perm knows or thinks he knows about the ACLU, he already thinks he knows the means of success.

Sad.

I'm not sure where you are going with this, but this was not what I was saying with my post that he repsonded to and that you quoted here. I am of the opinion that this country is getting lazy. People are voiting with their pocket book and voting for the path of least resistance. People are looking more and more to the government to give to them.And let me be crystal clear on this next point. I have no problem with government programs, if they are set up properly and by properly I mean set up in a way that those taking from the system are required to give back to the system. This is where I think our programs fall INCREDIBLY short. They are designed for folks to take and take and take, but they are rarely required to give back.

Bottom line, ~70% of the country's wealth is in the hands of the top 10% of American households. That means, 90% of American households then account for 30% of the country's wealth. Anyone that thinks this current system is working is either uber rich or stupid. The claim that people need help because they are lazy or because they want help rather than work, is rhetoric plain and simple.

 

[bigperm]

I am of the opinion that this country is getting lazy. People are voiting with their pocket book and voting for the path of least resistance. People are looking more and more to the government to give to them.

Why do you think this? I think there is little question that we're more efficient than past generations, due to technological advances and collective knowledge/data as a whole. But are we really more "lazy"? Is there any proof that we're really a bunch of slackers compared to our ancestors? And when did folks not vote with their pocket books and paths of least resistance?

Yes we are much more lazy. It used to be when people could not find a job in their current location they traveled and found work. They knew if they didn't work, they couldn't support their family. Now, if you can't find work you hold your hand out for the government or other people to help you. Then you realize that it's alot easier to let the government help you then helping youself. You have people that cant afford a decent life living in large metropolitan areas with high costs of living instead of moving to places with lower costs of living.

 

[bigperm]

And this is Becks argument as well. It's time to get back to our roots and take responsibility as individuals and shrink government. But that's not going to happen with organizations like ACLU and Unions who feel that people who are lazy are entitled the same as those that work hard.

Do you even know what the ACLU does?

The famous "bootstrap" theory. The last refuge of wanna be political intellectuals. That's right, the only reason people don't do well in this country is because they don't try hard enough. I don't think it will matter moops what perm knows or thinks he knows about the ACLU, he already thinks he knows the means of success.

Sad.

I'm not sure where you are going with this, but this was not what I was saying with my post that he repsonded to and that you quoted here. I am of the opinion that this country is getting lazy. People are voiting with their pocket book and voting for the path of least resistance. People are looking more and more to the government to give to them.And let me be crystal clear on this next point. I have no problem with government programs, if they are set up properly and by properly I mean set up in a way that those taking from the system are required to give back to the system. This is where I think our programs fall INCREDIBLY short. They are designed for folks to take and take and take, but they are rarely required to give back.

Bottom line, ~70% of the country's wealth is in the hands of the top 10% of American households. That means, 90% of American households then account for 30% of the country's wealth. Anyone that thinks this current system is working is either uber rich or stupid. The claim that people need help because they are lazy or because they want help rather than work, is rhetoric plain and simple.

Funny,"In Switzerland in 1997, the richest [one] percent owned 35 percent [of all wealth]," while in the US the richest one percent owned 21 percent of all wealth.

I guess we want to be more like the beautiful and progressive Switzerland.

 

[Gigantomachia]

"In Switzerland in 1997, the richest [one] percent owned 35 percent [of all wealth]," while in the US the richest one percent owned 21 percent of all wealth.I guess we want to be more like the beautiful and progressive Switzerland.

Your example simply proves Switzerland has similar issues, it does not add nor detract from the original claim.The lack of understanding the difference between offering arguments versus mere opinions never ceases to amaze me around here.

 

[bigperm]

"In Switzerland in 1997, the richest [one] percent owned 35 percent [of all wealth]," while in the US the richest one percent owned 21 percent of all wealth.I guess we want to be more like the beautiful and progressive Switzerland.

Your example simply proves Switzerland has similar issues, it does not add nor detract from the original claim.The lack of understanding the difference between offering arguments versus mere opinions never ceases to amaze me around here.

My example proves that no matter what you do unless you implement a pure communist government, their will always be a highly wealthier segment.

 

[tommyGunZ]

I am of the opinion that this country is getting lazy. People are voiting with their pocket book and voting for the path of least resistance. People are looking more and more to the government to give to them.

Why do you think this? I think there is little question that we're more efficient than past generations, due to technological advances and collective knowledge/data as a whole. But are we really more "lazy"? Is there any proof that we're really a bunch of slackers compared to our ancestors? And when did folks not vote with their pocket books and paths of least resistance?

Yes we are much more lazy. It used to be when people could not find a job in their current location they traveled and found work. They knew if they didn't work, they couldn't support their family. Now, if you can't find work you hold your hand out for the government or other people to help you. Then you realize that it's alot easier to let the government help you then helping youself. You have people that cant afford a decent life living in large metropolitan areas with high costs of living instead of moving to places with lower costs of living.

Sorry, but I don't put much weight in your anecdotal "it used to be" stories. Do you have any data?

 

[Gigantomachia]

"In Switzerland in 1997, the richest [one] percent owned 35 percent [of all wealth]," while in the US the richest one percent owned 21 percent of all wealth.I guess we want to be more like the beautiful and progressive Switzerland.

Your example simply proves Switzerland has similar issues, it does not add nor detract from the original claim.The lack of understanding the difference between offering arguments versus mere opinions never ceases to amaze me around here.

My example proves that no matter what you do unless you implement a pure communist government, their will always be a highly wealthier segment.

Nothing you have said proves that point. In fact, your claim is so over the top it leads me to believe there is no support for that position whatsoever.So my original claim still stands as you have offered nothing short of your own views as to what the numbers I posted mean.

 

[E Street Brat]

Let the Republicans dig their own grave. Just quicken their downward-spiral towards irrelevancy. As the country browns the debate will be between the Democrats and the Progressives. Hundered years from now the term Republican will be like Whig. Good riddance.

The only problem with that is the Democrats are diggin much much faster. Their aggressive left-wing big government agenda is really pissing off the public. It has nothing to do with hating Obama, and everything to do with hating trillion dollar budget deficits, more taxes, and more government control over their life. The opinion of the democrat-controlled Congress is dropping faster than Obama. GOP is picking up 20-40 seats in the house in 2010 despite their weakness.. There is a good opportunity for a new party, but I don't see one gaining any steam. Right now Beck is leading the opposition, and it is not hurting the GOP. The GOP is doing a terrible job of making the case for themselves.

IF this is the issue with the right, and I am not convinced it is, where was this outrage with the republican leaders of this country? This deficit we have didn't all of a sudden appear in Jan 2009. You can sling comments like this around all you want, but the reality is there is probably not much merit in them. If these were really the issues EVERYONE would have been pissed off at all our politicians for the last 2-3 decades.....party be damned.

Where have you been?Bush had tremendously low ratings and it wasn't just independents and liberals who were pissed at him, conservatives abandoned him in droves.

Every big government initiative that Bush proposed, conservatives fought him on, in some cases, like Illegal Immigration Amnesty and Harriet Myers they actually won.

The Republicans lost the senate, lost the house, and they did so because they lost the support, both financially and at the polls of conservatives,

Bush was RE-ELECTED....seems pretty accepting to me. His numbers didn't go in the toilet until near the end of his "reign" (the last couple years) and the conservatives turned on him as an attempt to distance themselves during election years. If one wants to think it was because of something other than politics, that's fine.....I just think that individual is naive.

Bush was re-elected on the war front, and because Kerry was just awful.

 

[The Commish]

Bottom line, ~70% of the country's wealth is in the hands of the top 10% of American households. That means, 90% of American households then account for 30% of the country's wealth.

Anyone that thinks this current system is working is either uber rich or stupid. The claim that people need help because they are lazy or because they want help rather than work, is rhetoric plain and simple.

What do you mean by "working"??

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Anyone that thinks this current system is working is either uber rich or stupid.

What do you mean by "working"??

Yeah, I don't think anyone in the universe thinks that the current system is optimal. Everyone wants to change it somehow -- they just disagree on how.Some people think the government needs to get more involved to do more redistribution.

Others think that, since about 95% of the redistribution the government does is regressive rather than progressive, the government needs to get less involved.

But nobody thinks that everything is currently just right.

 

[Novice2]

Must be watching a re run. Still on the Anita hearts Mao topic. The media can talk about Rush and the things he did not say but has nothing to say when someone close to the White House publicly offers a confession about their love for the little red book writer.

But i did find out that the goverment is starting back a program to study the health impact of owning a gun. So the goverment can ''nudge'' you away from guns just like they are going to ''nudge'' you away from pop burgers and fries when they take over err pass healthcare reform.

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Awesome.

 

[The Commish]

Anyone that thinks this current system is working is either uber rich or stupid.

What do you mean by "working"??

Yeah, I don't think anyone in the universe thinks that the current system is optimal. Everyone wants to change it somehow -- they just disagree on how.Some people think the government needs to get more involved to do more redistribution.

Others think that, since about 95% of the redistribution the government does is regressive rather than progressive, the government needs to get less involved.

But nobody thinks that everything is currently just right.

Which is why I pose the question. People around here piss and moan about how bad things are, but they never seem to give insight into what things would look like under their perfect scenario or how they think things should look.

 

[urbanhack]

From his show: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbbCLp0EKEs

 

[E Street Brat]

From his show: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbbCLp0EKEs

You now, but wait till Jeb Bush and Karl Rove are sitting in the white houses basement eavesdropping and laughing at you and your wife fighting over your erectile dysfunction.

 

[Fennis]

From his show: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbbCLp0EKEs

I honestly dont get how people can listen/watch this guy. He is horribly bad at what he does. He's not entertaining, funny, or interesting. The public is so incredibly simple minded.

 

[General Malaise]

:(

From his show: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbbCLp0EKEs

Everytime I see him, I get the sense I'm watching a really bad impresonation of B-grade professional wrestlers. I know I was hard on for being a crybaby, but I think what's worse is the fact that he fake cries. And I don't have a word to describe how head spinningly stupid it is that people believe he's being authentic with this.

 

[tommyGunZ]

From his show: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbbCLp0EKEs

Yet according to Saint-fan and many others, Beck is equal to Chris Matthews and Rachel Maddow. How anyone thinks they are even remotely alike is beyond me.

 

[perry147]

The GOP in a few years because of Beck and Limbaugh .

 

[E Street Brat]

The GOP in a few years because of Beck and Limbaugh .

America in a few years because of the Dems and Obama

 

[Brutis]

The GOP in a few years because of Beck and Limbaugh .

America in a few years because of the Dems and Obama

Awesome

 

[ElGatoLoco]

The GOP in a few years because of Beck and Limbaugh .

America in a few years because of the Dems and Obama

The End of the world in 2012.

 

[Fennis]

The GOP in a few years because of Beck and Limbaugh .

America in a few years because of the Dems and Obama

The End of the world in 2012.

USA is on the other side right? I think I can survive that.