Glenn Beck (2 Viewers)

[OC Zed]

Everyone wants limited government? Did you see what just happened in the House this weekend? That is anything but limited government. Have you not noticed that our government is now monopolizing the residential real estate finance industry, running the domestic car industry and picking and choosing which insolvent banks get to stay in business. So everyone really wants limited government? What a farce.

So I take it as a proponent of small government you would have preferred the collapse of the auto industry with all of its ripple effects into the suppliers who feed the factories that are left and the collapse of the banking industry which could have caused a complete meltdown of the American economy?

And, again, you choose to attack Bush or his antics and not the substance of what he is actually saying. Sorry, I don't think opposition to things like Obamacare, net neutrality, National Endowment for the Arts and Acorn are radical concepts.

Opposition to these things? Probably not "radical."But an obsession with these things? Probably deranged.

I have no problem seeing unprofitable companies fail. Failure my painful in the short run, but in the long run it spurs growth by rearranging resources to more effective uses. Bailing out failed companies only prolongs bad practices at the expense You do not understand that government cannot create wealth... it can only redistribute wealth and pick winners and losers. The policies that we have seen implemented in the last 2 years have consistently taken wealth from today's profit makers and savers and tomorrow's taxpayers and have given it to the inefficient and the losers. That's a recipe for a perpetually bad economy and, eventually, outright cronyism.

But go ahead and keep on lecturing me on how government knows best.

 

[The Commish]

Zed, is this shtick? You buy Beck's crap?

I don't think a limited form of self-government is either shtick or crap. Go ahead and goof at his antics, but I don't understand all the vitriol against the message.

Pretty sure everyone wants limited gov't. They just want it limited to what they think gov't should provide. Beck is no different.Beck is an uneducated buffoon. His sudden turn to libertarianism when it became impossible to make up defenses for GWBush is extremely self serving. I don't see how anyone with half a brain can watch him for more than 15 minutes, unless you're watching for comedic reasons.

You mean everyone except the governmnet everyone?? Lots of folks out there with their hands out waiting for the government to give them a freebie....just sayin'

 

[OC Zed]

I have no problem seeing unprofitable companies fail. Failure my painful in the short run, but in the long run it spurs growth by rearranging resources to more effective uses. Bailing out failed companies only prolongs bad practices at the expense

Fantastic. You'd be sitting on a cinder of a country, financially speaking, saying, "Well, at least I held onto my principles."

You do not understand that government cannot create wealth... it can only redistribute wealth and pick winners and losers.

(A) This is absolutely not true. The government can create value by investing in infrastructure which spurs development and growth and, yes, wealth.(B) The job of the government is not to enrich the richest. The job of the government is to enact the social policies which the electorate put them into office to do. If that is lassaiez-faire capitalism, that's what it is. If that is inspecting your food to make sure you don't die of a bacteria, that's what it is. If that's taking a little off the top to make sure that seniors can retire with some dignity, that's what it is.

The government is not a profit center. The government is our agreed-upon mechanism of social organization.

You have an errant belief that markets cannot correct themselves. History has always proven otherwise. Government magically correcting markets? Um, not so much.You are also wrong that government creates wealth. Where do you think the government gets the money to pay for those bridges and roads? Do you think it magically falls from the sky? No, it's ripped from taxpayers and distributed to a special interest group. Do others benefit? Absolutely. But it's not a multiplier effect given the inherent delays, waste, fraud and inefficiencies that come with every government handout. If this was such a grand idea, why don't we do this perpetually? It's akin to alchemy, right? Why didn't this work for Japan? They did it bigger and better than anyone else and they've only been saddled with massive debts that its population is struggling to service. And our budget deficits are much, much worse.

You make the mistake thinking that by government throwing money at "investment" it will automatically spur "development" and "growth." The problem is that the government has a horrible track record of investing taxpayer money towards the most efficient and valuable uses. Hence development and growth is minimized, if not re-tarded.

And, finally, the job of the government is neither to "enrich the richest" nor "enact the social polices which the electorate put them into office to do." The job of government is to protect and to enforce rights. Do you know what those are?

So, I really have to know... you are an LHUCKS' alias, right?

 

[ElGatoLoco]

at all the people in this thread that get so worked up over Glenn Beck.Also, it seems like 90% of the comments against Beck have to do with his style and not his message. That's telling.

That's because 90% of his schtick is style, and what substance there may be is lost in all the BS.

 

[OC Zed]

I have no problem seeing unprofitable companies fail. Failure my painful in the short run, but in the long run it spurs growth by rearranging resources to more effective uses. Bailing out failed companies only prolongs bad practices at the expense

Fantastic. You'd be sitting on a cinder of a country, financially speaking, saying, "Well, at least I held onto my principles."

You do not understand that government cannot create wealth... it can only redistribute wealth and pick winners and losers.

(A) This is absolutely not true. The government can create value by investing in infrastructure which spurs development and growth and, yes, wealth.(B) The job of the government is not to enrich the richest. The job of the government is to enact the social policies which the electorate put them into office to do. If that is lassaiez-faire capitalism, that's what it is. If that is inspecting your food to make sure you don't die of a bacteria, that's what it is. If that's taking a little off the top to make sure that seniors can retire with some dignity, that's what it is.

The government is not a profit center. The government is our agreed-upon mechanism of social organization.

You have an errant belief that markets cannot correct themselves. History has always proven otherwise. Government magically correcting markets? Um, not so much.You are also wrong that government creates wealth. Where do you think the government gets the money to pay for those bridges and roads? Do you think it magically falls from the sky? No, it's ripped from taxpayers and distributed to a special interest group. Do others benefit? Absolutely. But it's not a multiplier effect given the inherent delays, waste, fraud and inefficiencies that come with every government handout. If this was such a grand idea, why don't we do this perpetually? It's akin to alchemy, right? Why didn't this work for Japan? They did it bigger and better than anyone else and they've only been saddled with massive debts that its population is struggling to service. And our budget deficits are much, much worse.

You make the mistake thinking that by government throwing money at "investment" it will automatically spur "development" and "growth." The problem is that the government has a horrible track record of investing taxpayer money towards the most efficient and valuable uses. Hence development and growth is minimized, if not re-tarded.

And, finally, the job of the government is neither to "enrich the richest" nor "enact the social polices which the electorate put them into office to do." The job of government is to protect and to enforce rights. Do you know what those are?

So, I really have to know... you are an LHUCKS' alias, right?

A lot of naked assertions in here. Maybe you should try putting some clothes on some of them.Your concept of government, however, is flawed. Government is a social maximizer which extends beyond the small circle of rights. You don't have a "right" to have a stop light at a busy intersection, but most people think that it's generally a good idea as it reduces accidents, saves trips to the hospital, etc. So the government puts in, maintains, and monitors the stop light. This has absolutely zero to do with any "rights" issue. People think that it's just generally a good idea. The EPA, the DOJ, the SEC, the FDA... all these are conceptually stop lights (there's some cross-over into rights issues, but they're basically just civil enforcers). But to answer your question of do I know what rights are, my answer is yes, and probably much better than you do. I'm an attorney; are you?

You also have an errant faith in markets. Markets are, unfortunately, not self-correcting. I've worked in anti-trust; I've looked back at the genesis of it in the 1930's; I've worked on market manipulation cases; and I have friends who have worked in the investment banking industry. Believe me: the market is often, and regularly, manipulated. That doesn't mean that government always fixes it; it doesn't. But the government at least provides a check on an unbridled market. Look back at Adam Smith, the father of economics: he abhorred monopolistic cartels. He did not believe in a completely free, lassaiez-faire marketplace.

You have your history wrong. You have your concepts wrong. And you have assertions that have no factual support. Otherwise, you provided an enlightening and enriching perspective.

You choose to live in a glass bubble of a government induced utopia. Have at it.

 

[OC Zed]

Although I have to say, to use the abstract concept of a "self-correcting market" in reference to last year's financial meltdown and near complete collapse of the US economy very quaint. Thanks for that; you made me smile.

Oh, and the fact that all of the evidence indicating government's distortions as the root cause of last year's financial meltdown was completely to you says it all.

 

[OC Zed]

You choose to live in a glass bubble of a government induced utopia. Have at it.

Yes. It's called the "real world" and "history."You might wanna check it out some time.

Like I said.

 

[Desert_Power]

Although I have to say, to use the abstract concept of a "self-correcting market" in reference to last year's financial meltdown and near complete collapse of the US economy very quaint. Thanks for that; you made me smile.

Oh, and the fact that all of the evidence indicating government's distortions as the root cause of last year's financial meltdown was completely to you says it all.

 

[jamny]

So many people will bash Beck for some of his more over-the-top comments or tearful monologues, so how about a little credit for his recent show discussing issues within the black community. Someone tell me how this has no value and he should be taken off the air:

Part One

 

[tomarken]

GB The Onion

 

[urbanhack]

good stuff glenn

 

[17seconds]

GB The Onion

"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."

I thought that bit sucked. Offensive even.There are better ways to make fun of the silver gopher.

 

[urbanhack]

good stuff glenn

Because no-one who promotes conspiracy theories would say they aren't.

"I don't believe the Bravo story at all......" while he posts it on the board.

what a doosh

 

[perry147]

So many people will bash Beck for some of his more over-the-top comments or tearful monologues, so how about a little credit for his recent show discussing issues within the black community. Someone tell me how this has no value and he should be taken off the air:

Part One

Let me get this straight if I walk along a pick up a piece of trash flouting by, then I can on the next block grab an old lady and crap on her face then beat her to death while having my rottweiler sodomize her.I just want to make sure we are clear.

**PS - This is what he is SUPPOSED TO DO. Why in the heck do SOME people want to be thanked for doing their GD job? This is like the father saying he takes can of his kids, Chris Rock style.

 

[General Malaise]

Is he still fake crying?

 

[jamny]

Great week of Beck so far.

 

[perry147]

Great week of Beck so far.

Is he crying again?

 

[jamny]

Great week of Beck so far.

Is he crying again?

this is kinda equal to the Obama telepromter jokes. I've watched a couple of days a week for months and only have seen it once when he talked about how the Nazi's would have treated his handicapped daughter. will he cry?

 

[jon_mx]

Great week of Beck so far.

Is he crying again?

this is kinda equal to the Obama telepromter jokes. I've watched a couple of days a week for months and only have seen it once when he talked about how the Nazi's would have treated his handicapped daughter. will he cry?

He cried today. He was mocking that ridiculous movie that they opened up the Copenhagen conference with. Global Warmers are shameless in their fear-mongering.

 

[jamny]

Great week of Beck so far.

Is he crying again?

this is kinda equal to the Obama telepromter jokes. I've watched a couple of days a week for months and only have seen it once when he talked about how the Nazi's would have treated his handicapped daughter. will he cry?

He cried today. He was mocking that ridiculous movie that they opened up the Copenhagen conference with. Global Warmers are shameless in their fear-mongering.

That movie/video deserves it's own thread.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Jon Stewart again. This one was a bit of a stretch and not all that funny to me, but as long as it makes fun of Glenn Beck it should probably be posted here.

 

[cstu]

Glenn Beck is very educational - I just learned today that progressives hate the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. I really hope the word gets out about these people who hate America.

 

[D_House]

Article from Forbes - Glenn Beck Inc.

Money quote:

With a deadpan, Beck insists that he is not political: "I could give a flying crap about the political process." Making money, on the other hand, is to be taken very seriously, and controversy is its own coinage. "We're an entertainment company," Beck says.

Commentaries on the article collected by The Atlantic - Glenn Beck's Exasperating $32 Million Year

 

[Novice2]

Who is this Maurice Strong?

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Stewart, on Beck's claim that Fox is the only network willing to show footage of the flotilla incident.

 

[The Commish]

Stewart, on Beck's claim that Fox is the only network willing to show footage of the flotilla incident.

 

[ericttspikes]

Stewart, on Beck's claim that Fox is the only network willing to show footage of the flotilla incident.

"Either Mr. Beck lives in a cloistered world of paranoid delusion that is impervious to a priori evidence that contradicts his worldview....or"

 

[cubd8]

Does Fox make any money from this show? Despite the ratings, aren't there over 200 sponsors who pulled their business because of things that he says?

 

[pantherclub]

Stewart, on Beck's claim that Fox is the only network willing to show footage of the flotilla incident.

Does Beck ever respond to these types of segments about his show? Because it seems to me that Beck is obviously lying or crazy or both.

 

[jon_mx]

Does Fox make any money from this show? Despite the ratings, aren't there over 200 sponsors who pulled their business because of things that he says?

I don't think there are any ad time not being sold for Beck. Liberals are obsessed with shutting down Beck, but it is a losing cause. No one really cares except the fringees. Besides, it is extremely hypocritical considering they cry like babies when all their whacked out ideas don't get aired. I don't get it.

 

[pantherclub]

Does Fox make any money from this show? Despite the ratings, aren't there over 200 sponsors who pulled their business because of things that he says?

I don't think there are any ad time not being sold for Beck. Liberals are obsessed with shutting down Beck, but it is a losing cause. No one really cares except the fringees. Besides, it is extremely hypocritical considering they cry like babies when all their whacked out ideas don't get aired. I don't get it.

Just curious but did you watch the clip and do you have any comments on it?

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Liberals are obsessed with shutting down Beck . . .

Assuming this is true -- why? It'd be like the Titans obsessing over shutting down Jaxson de Ville.

 

[The Commish]

Does Fox make any money from this show? Despite the ratings, aren't there over 200 sponsors who pulled their business because of things that he says?

I don't think there are any ad time not being sold for Beck. Liberals are obsessed with shutting down Beck, but it is a losing cause. No one really cares except the fringees. Besides, it is extremely hypocritical considering they cry like babies when all their whacked out ideas don't get aired. I don't get it.

Is this like the folks that believe that Sarah Palin isn't a factor for the GOP? That's not working out so well for them...just sayin'

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

Stewart, on Beck's claim that Fox is the only network willing to show footage of the flotilla incident.

Does Beck ever respond to these types of segments about his show? Because it seems to me that Beck is obviously lying or crazy or both.

Beck could also simply be a moron.

 

[pantherclub]

Stewart, on Beck's claim that Fox is the only network willing to show footage of the flotilla incident.

Does Beck ever respond to these types of segments about his show? Because it seems to me that Beck is obviously lying or crazy or both.

Beck could also simply be a moron.

So true. So I am really wondering if he ever acknowledges this types of call outs. In the extremely limited time I have heard him the only thing he has said was that the media is trying to destroy him and that is okay they have been trying for years and he is still here. Or something to that effect. That clip should basically expose him for what he is, a lying snake oil salesman but people will still lap up his every word.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

So true. So I am really wondering if he ever acknowledges this types of call outs. In the extremely limited time I have heard him the only thing he has said was that the media is trying to destroy him and that is okay they have been trying for years and he is still here. Or something to that effect. That clip should basically expose him for what he is, a lying snake oil salesman but people will still lap up his every word.

I've only watched him a couple times - mainly because Jon Stewart made fun of him (before that I had never seen him before) - but it's clear that he runs the typical Fox News playbook which consists of: a) distort, b) attack, c) distort some more. Notice that in those steps, there is zero room for reflection or honesty. So no, I'd be willing to wager that he never addresses (at least in an intellectually honest way) this type of call out.

 

[jon_mx]

So true. So I am really wondering if he ever acknowledges this types of call outs. In the extremely limited time I have heard him the only thing he has said was that the media is trying to destroy him and that is okay they have been trying for years and he is still here. Or something to that effect. That clip should basically expose him for what he is, a lying snake oil salesman but people will still lap up his every word.

I've only watched him a couple times - mainly because Jon Stewart made fun of him (before that I had never seen him before) - but it's clear that he runs the typical Fox News playbook which consists of: a) distort, b) attack, c) distort some more. Notice that in those steps, there is zero room for reflection or honesty. So no, I'd be willing to wager that he never addresses (at least in an intellectually honest way) this type of call out.

As if any media is honest and not slanted. Beck is an opinion guy and opinion are like rear ends. Everyone has one and in the country everyone is free to share theirs. It is funny a guy who watches Steward is concerned about someone who attacks and distort.

 

[pantherclub]

So true. So I am really wondering if he ever acknowledges this types of call outs. In the extremely limited time I have heard him the only thing he has said was that the media is trying to destroy him and that is okay they have been trying for years and he is still here. Or something to that effect. That clip should basically expose him for what he is, a lying snake oil salesman but people will still lap up his every word.

I've only watched him a couple times - mainly because Jon Stewart made fun of him (before that I had never seen him before) - but it's clear that he runs the typical Fox News playbook which consists of: a) distort, b) attack, c) distort some more. Notice that in those steps, there is zero room for reflection or honesty. So no, I'd be willing to wager that he never addresses (at least in an intellectually honest way) this type of call out.

As if any media is honest and not slanted. Beck is an opinion guy and opinion are like rear ends. Everyone has one and in the country everyone is free to share theirs. It is funny a guy who watches Steward is concerned about someone who attacks and distort.

So did you watch the clip and do you have any comments about his blatant lie? That is not "slanted" that is lying. Huge difference.Can you comment on the clip please?

 

[jamny]

So true. So I am really wondering if he ever acknowledges this types of call outs. In the extremely limited time I have heard him the only thing he has said was that the media is trying to destroy him and that is okay they have been trying for years and he is still here. Or something to that effect. That clip should basically expose him for what he is, a lying snake oil salesman but people will still lap up his every word.

I've only watched him a couple times - mainly because Jon Stewart made fun of him (before that I had never seen him before) - but it's clear that he runs the typical Fox News playbook which consists of: a) distort, b) attack, c) distort some more. Notice that in those steps, there is zero room for reflection or honesty. So no, I'd be willing to wager that he never addresses (at least in an intellectually honest way) this type of call out.

As if any media is honest and not slanted. Beck is an opinion guy and opinion are like rear ends. Everyone has one and in the country everyone is free to share theirs. It is funny a guy who watches Steward is concerned about someone who attacks and distort.

So did you watch the clip and do you have any comments about his blatant lie? That is not "slanted" that is lying. Huge difference.Can you comment on the clip please?

Is it possible that at the time of recording he didn't know of another outlet broadcasting it. Not saying no one did, but maybe he didn't know.pretty lame dig here.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

So did you watch the clip and do you have any comments about his blatant lie? That is not "slanted" that is lying. Huge difference.Can you comment on the clip please?

"It's no different than what CNN and MSNBC do on a daily basis.""All news networks are biased anyway.""Glenn Beck is just an entertainer and he's never claimed otherwise.""He accomplished his goal of getting liberals riled up over nothing.""Bill Clinton....something something....Obama........liberal something..."

 

[jon_mx]

So true. So I am really wondering if he ever acknowledges this types of call outs. In the extremely limited time I have heard him the only thing he has said was that the media is trying to destroy him and that is okay they have been trying for years and he is still here. Or something to that effect. That clip should basically expose him for what he is, a lying snake oil salesman but people will still lap up his every word.

I've only watched him a couple times - mainly because Jon Stewart made fun of him (before that I had never seen him before) - but it's clear that he runs the typical Fox News playbook which consists of: a) distort, b) attack, c) distort some more. Notice that in those steps, there is zero room for reflection or honesty. So no, I'd be willing to wager that he never addresses (at least in an intellectually honest way) this type of call out.

As if any media is honest and not slanted. Beck is an opinion guy and opinion are like rear ends. Everyone has one and in the country everyone is free to share theirs. It is funny a guy who watches Steward is concerned about someone who attacks and distort.

So did you watch the clip and do you have any comments about his blatant lie? That is not "slanted" that is lying. Huge difference.Can you comment on the clip please?

No I did not watch the clip. How do you know it was a lie? It was probably a statement made out of ignorance. I assume Beck does not really watch all that much of the other networks and was just assuming things. Not an intelligent thing to do on national TV.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

So true. So I am really wondering if he ever acknowledges this types of call outs. In the extremely limited time I have heard him the only thing he has said was that the media is trying to destroy him and that is okay they have been trying for years and he is still here. Or something to that effect. That clip should basically expose him for what he is, a lying snake oil salesman but people will still lap up his every word.

I've only watched him a couple times - mainly because Jon Stewart made fun of him (before that I had never seen him before) - but it's clear that he runs the typical Fox News playbook which consists of: a) distort, b) attack, c) distort some more. Notice that in those steps, there is zero room for reflection or honesty. So no, I'd be willing to wager that he never addresses (at least in an intellectually honest way) this type of call out.

As if any media is honest and not slanted. Beck is an opinion guy and opinion are like rear ends. Everyone has one and in the country everyone is free to share theirs. It is funny a guy who watches Steward is concerned about someone who attacks and distort.

So did you watch the clip and do you have any comments about his blatant lie? That is not "slanted" that is lying. Huge difference.Can you comment on the clip please?

Is it possible that at the time of recording he didn't know of another outlet broadcasting it. Not saying no one did, but maybe he didn't know.pretty lame dig here.

Actually, Stewart addresses this. It's not possible.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

No I did not watch the clip. How do you know it was a lie? It was probably a statement made out of ignorance. I assume Beck does not really watch all that much of the other networks and was just assuming things. Not an intelligent thing to do on national TV.

So...your best defense of Beck is that he is ignorant? I'm sure we all believe that - I personally consider him one of the most ignorant media figures around. But why do you accept that excuse?

 

[Fallerjw]

With a deadpan, Beck insists that he is not political: "I could give a flying crap about the political process." Making money, on the other hand, is to be taken very seriously, and controversy is its own coinage. "We're an entertainment company," Beck says.

Commentaries on the article collected by The Atlantic - Glenn Beck's Exasperating $32 Million Year

When you get all bent out of shape supporting or rejecting his ideas, keep in mind that his goal is to make money. So far he has been successful in reaching that goal.

 

[pantherclub]

No I did not watch the clip. How do you know it was a lie? It was probably a statement made out of ignorance. I assume Beck does not really watch all that much of the other networks and was just assuming things. Not an intelligent thing to do on national TV.

So...your best defense of Beck is that he is ignorant? I'm sure we all believe that - I personally consider him one of the most ignorant media figures around. But why do you accept that excuse?

That is my point, he straight up lies to his audiences, makes no bones about it but yet people like Jon still eat it up and defend him. Watch the clip and see what you think

 

[Fallerjw]

With a deadpan, Beck insists that he is not political: "I could give a flying crap about the political process." Making money, on the other hand, is to be taken very seriously, and controversy is its own coinage. "We're an entertainment company," Beck says.

Commentaries on the article collected by The Atlantic - Glenn Beck's Exasperating $32 Million Year

When you get all bent out of shape supporting or rejecting his ideas, keep in mind that his goal is to make money. So far he has been successful in reaching that goal.

So he's the P. T. Barnum of politics.Somehow I think his audience would disagree.

I'm not trying to say that everything he says is false. I'm suggesting that providing insightful, honest news isn't his primary objective. He may sometimes provide factual news stories, but he may also feed on fear and insecurity to build an audience so he can make more money at times also.

 

[The Commish]

Stewart, on Beck's claim that Fox is the only network willing to show footage of the flotilla incident.

Does Beck ever respond to these types of segments about his show? Because it seems to me that Beck is obviously lying or crazy or both.

Beck could also simply be a moron.

So true. So I am really wondering if he ever acknowledges this types of call outs. In the extremely limited time I have heard him the only thing he has said was that the media is trying to destroy him and that is okay they have been trying for years and he is still here. Or something to that effect. That clip should basically expose him for what he is, a lying snake oil salesman but people will still lap up his every word.

I doubt it. There's no reason to. It's safe to say his audience doesn't wath TDS, so I doubt they even know he's lying to them. I'd guess the only time he'd have to address something like this is if FOX exposed him and we know that's not going to happen.

 

[The Commish]

No I did not watch the clip. How do you know it was a lie? It was probably a statement made out of ignorance. I assume Beck does not really watch all that much of the other networks and was just assuming things. Not an intelligent thing to do on national TV.

You know when you're in deep doo-doo when "ignorance" is your defense. I must admit, THIS is one position I don't think I'll ever see Maddow in.

 

[Balance]

Liberals are obsessed with shutting down Beck, but it is a losing cause.

Yeah, I talked to 3 liberals over the weekend. All they could talk about was shutting down Glenn Beck.

 

[perry147]

Liberals are obsessed with shutting down Beck, but it is a losing cause.

Yeah, I talked to 3 liberals over the weekend. All they could talk about was shutting down Glenn Beck.

Oh yea we want him shut down alright.