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[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Also since I am not that bright I need you to explain to me how the Great Leap Forward which lead to almost 40 million deaths is a philosophy that should be revered by anyone let alone an American holding a major position in our Government.

You can start by looking up the definition of "philosophy". You'll find that the Great Leap Forward is not one.

Hmm...
The discipline comprising logic, ethics, aesthetics, metaphysics, and epistemology
Investigation of the nature, causes, or principles of reality, knowledge, or values, based on logical reasoning rather than empirical methods.
A set of ideas or beliefs relating to a particular field or activity; an underlying theory
A system of values by which one livesSeems all of these definitions are what led Mao to bring the Great Leap Forward to China. Then again I am clearly not as smurt as you are.

 

[jon_mx]

Nothing I have said has anything to do with the Republicans or voters. My point is only that Beck does not offer verifiable sources, nothing more nothing less.But believe what you like.ETA: and yes, I take this issue serious, as I deal daily with people trying to make arguments without any verifiable sources. People think they can spew whatever crap they want and don't have to support it. But then I reckon that should not surprise anyone.

Yeah, all Beck does is play video tape of people saying stuff in their own words That is pretty crazy.....while CNN and MSNBC use Wekipedia as a source for their quotes.

You clearly do not have the tools necessary for such a debate.Move along.

Stupid me, pointing out facts....You are right you can't debate the facts.

 

[Gigantomachia]

Since clearly you are more enlightened than I am, could you please explain to me how Hitlers political philosophy is either better or worse than Mao's? I know Hitler only killed 6 million Jewish people which makes him look like a piker next to Mao. But clearly you know far more than I do.Also since I am not that bright I need you to explain to me how the Great Leap Forward which lead to almost 40 million deaths is a philosophy that should be revered by anyone let alone an American holding a major position in our Government.

Because history books gloss over all the political murders done by socialists-commies because those murders can be rationalized as part of their social justice philosophy that is dear to their hearts. They don't want to hear that about their dear leaders, so I am on ignore. Evil me, suggesting Chairman Moa is evil. They just don't want to face the truth that history proves socialism sucks.

How was Mao evil? He made mistakes yes, but your claim of deaths is about 10 million higher than the actual event, and those were not expected by Mao, i.e., it is not like he set out to kill those people.Way to spin it though.

 

[Gigantomachia]

Nothing I have said has anything to do with the Republicans or voters. My point is only that Beck does not offer verifiable sources, nothing more nothing less.But believe what you like.ETA: and yes, I take this issue serious, as I deal daily with people trying to make arguments without any verifiable sources. People think they can spew whatever crap they want and don't have to support it. But then I reckon that should not surprise anyone.

Yeah, all Beck does is play video tape of people saying stuff in their own words That is pretty crazy.....while CNN and MSNBC use Wekipedia as a source for their quotes.

You clearly do not have the tools necessary for such a debate.Move along.

Stupid me, pointing out facts....You are right you can't debate the facts.

What facts? Picking and choosing comments out of context does not equal facts. Though as I said, you appear to lack the tools required, so I should know better than to attempt a rational discussion with a

 

[IvanKaramazov]

How was Mao evil? He made mistakes yes,

This thread is the thread that keeps on giving up the awesome.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

This tells you all you need to know.Who posted in: Glenn BeckGigantomachia 72

exhibit A as to why Beck is a millionaire The libs in here are tripping over themselves telling me how Beck is marginalizing voters away from the Rs, but when I ask for proof, they are

From "Private Parts" about Howard Stern, but fits here:

Researcher: The average radio listener listens for eighteen minutes. The average Howard Stern fan listens for - are you ready for this? - an hour and twenty minutes.Pig Vomit: How can that be?Researcher: Answer most commonly given? "I want to see what he'll say next."Pig Vomit: Okay, fine. But what about the people who hate Stern?Researcher: Good point. The average Stern hater listens for two and a half hours a day.Pig Vomit: But... if they hate him, why do they listen?Researcher: Most common answer? "I want to see what he'll say next."

I think of this very thing everytime I see a thread like this or hear someone cry about Hannity or Limbaugh.

 

[E Street Brat]

Since clearly you are more enlightened than I am, could you please explain to me how Hitlers political philosophy is either better or worse than Mao's? I know Hitler only killed 6 million Jewish people which makes him look like a piker next to Mao. But clearly you know far more than I do.Also since I am not that bright I need you to explain to me how the Great Leap Forward which lead to almost 40 million deaths is a philosophy that should be revered by anyone let alone an American holding a major position in our Government.

Because history books gloss over all the political murders done by socialists-commies because those murders can be rationalized as part of their social justice philosophy that is dear to their hearts. They don't want to hear that about their dear leaders, so I am on ignore. Evil me, suggesting Chairman Moa is evil. They just don't want to face the truth that history proves socialism sucks.

How was Mao evil? He made mistakes yes, but your claim of deaths is about 10 million higher than the actual event, and those were not expected by Mao, i.e., it is not like he set out to kill those people.Way to spin it though.

opps dead people

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

How was Mao evil? He made mistakes yes,

This thread is the thread that keeps on giving up the awesome.

opps, sorry about the 40 million dead. My bad.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Also since I am not that bright I need you to explain to me how the Great Leap Forward which lead to almost 40 million deaths is a philosophy that should be revered by anyone let alone an American holding a major position in our Government.

You can start by looking up the definition of "philosophy". You'll find that the Great Leap Forward is not one.

Hmm...
The discipline comprising logic, ethics, aesthetics, metaphysics, and epistemology
Investigation of the nature, causes, or principles of reality, knowledge, or values, based on logical reasoning rather than empirical methods.
A set of ideas or beliefs relating to a particular field or activity; an underlying theory
A system of values by which one livesSeems all of these definitions are what led Mao to bring the Great Leap Forward to China. Then again I am clearly not as smurt as you are.

Try again. And this time look up Great Leap Forward.

So you do not believe that Mao's political philosophy lead to the Great Leap Forward?

 

[jon_mx]

Nothing I have said has anything to do with the Republicans or voters. My point is only that Beck does not offer verifiable sources, nothing more nothing less.But believe what you like.ETA: and yes, I take this issue serious, as I deal daily with people trying to make arguments without any verifiable sources. People think they can spew whatever crap they want and don't have to support it. But then I reckon that should not surprise anyone.

Yeah, all Beck does is play video tape of people saying stuff in their own words That is pretty crazy.....while CNN and MSNBC use Wekipedia as a source for their quotes.

You clearly do not have the tools necessary for such a debate.Move along.

Stupid me, pointing out facts....You are right you can't debate the facts.

What facts? Picking and choosing comments out of context does not equal facts. Though as I said, you appear to lack the tools required, so I should know better than to attempt a rational discussion with a

Yes, just like Jeremiah Wright was out of context...please. There is plenty of context provided to know exactly what she was saying. Mao Tse Tung should not be an inspiring figure to get any point of political philosophy from. I am sick of this out of context bullcrap. The context was completely on display in the video.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

100K deaths = Bush lied people died.

10M+ deaths = my favorite philosopher

I guess if Bush had been responsible for more deaths in Iraq, he'd be loved by liberals.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

So you do not believe that Mao's political philosophy lead to the Great Leap Forward?

That's a possibly debatable point. But that's not what you said. See bolded.

Well answer the question.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Matthias hitting a new low here.

 

[Bonzai]

Since clearly you are more enlightened than I am, could you please explain to me how Hitlers political philosophy is either better or worse than Mao's? I know Hitler only killed 6 million Jewish people which makes him look like a piker next to Mao. But clearly you know far more than I do.Also since I am not that bright I need you to explain to me how the Great Leap Forward which lead to almost 40 million deaths is a philosophy that should be revered by anyone let alone an American holding a major position in our Government.

Because history books gloss over all the political murders done by socialists-commies because those murders can be rationalized as part of their social justice philosophy that is dear to their hearts. They don't want to hear that about their dear leaders, so I am on ignore. Evil me, suggesting Chairman Moa is evil. They just don't want to face the truth that history proves socialism sucks.

How was Mao evil? He made mistakes yes, but your claim of deaths is about 10 million higher than the actual event, and those were not expected by Mao, i.e., it is not like he set out to kill those people.Way to spin it though.

lol

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

So you do not believe that Mao's political philosophy lead to the Great Leap Forward?

That's a possibly debatable point. But that's not what you said. See bolded.

Well answer the question.

I haven't read enough Mao to judge, but I have read enough to know that an economic plan like the Great Leap Forward is not a philosophy.

Then you may choose to do some more reading. A set of ideas or beliefs relating to a particular field or activity; an underlying theory

See the Great Leap Forward was the name given to a political and economical theory (see above) that was implemented by Mao Tse Tung in in the late 50s. (see the above definition)

Now for what we know.

Mao's political philosophy and implantation of the Great Leap Forward was responsible for 40 million deaths of his own countryman
One of Anita Dunn's FAVORITE political philosophers is Mao Tse Tung
Matthias is smurter than Buddy Ball 2K3

 

[jon_mx]

So you do not believe that Mao's political philosophy lead to the Great Leap Forward?

That's a possibly debatable point. But that's not what you said. See bolded.

Well answer the question.

I haven't read enough Mao to judge, but I have read enough to know that an economic plan like the Great Leap Forward is not a philosophy.

http://books.google.com/books?id=k7FdM07Qf...phy&f=false"The Great Leap Forward, the Maoist philosophy......"

 

[The Commish]

Finally!!! It took 18 pages, but now the focus is on each other with all the one can handle. Keep up the good work Today is Friday and I need to be entertained and nothing says entertainment like these two groups slinging "intelligence" quips at one anothers.

 

[pantherclub]

He is breaking open the conspiracy of who really controls the media next week. Crazy is fun.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

This reminds me of that time tommygunz kept defending ACORN.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Then you may choose to do some more reading.

Whatev's. I've read more at this point in my life than you ever will have. The laughable point is you pretending, or even posing, as if this is something which would enter the realm of the possible which you would read, but yet you feel completely qualified to opine on it at length.And no, the Great Leap Forward was not a philosophy. It was an economic plan enacted, which failed.

Uh huh...NEXT!

 

[Parrothead]

So you do not believe that Mao's political philosophy lead to the Great Leap Forward?

That's a possibly debatable point. But that's not what you said. See bolded.

Well answer the question.

I haven't read enough Mao to judge, but I have read enough to know that an economic plan like the Great Leap Forward is not a philosophy.

 

[jon_mx]

Top 5 things I am learning today.....

1. Mao was a good man

2. Communism is not a philosophy

3. Listening to the introduction of a speech is out of context.

4. A unedited video clip is an unreliable source when Glen Beck plays it.

5. Sourcing bloggers on Wikipedia is reliable if they trash Rush.

 

[the moops]

Anyone post this yet?

 

[Gigantomachia]

So you do not believe that Mao's political philosophy lead to the Great Leap Forward?

That's a possibly debatable point. But that's not what you said. See bolded.

Well answer the question.

I haven't read enough Mao to judge, but I have read enough to know that an economic plan like the Great Leap Forward is not a philosophy.

He is correct. That is not a philosophy.

 

[Gigantomachia]

Then you may choose to do some more reading.

Whatev's. I've read more at this point in my life than you ever will have. The laughable point is you pretending, or even posing, as if this is something which would enter the realm of the possible which you would read, but yet you feel completely qualified to opine on it at length.And no, the Great Leap Forward was not a philosophy. It was an economic plan enacted, which failed.

Uh huh...NEXT!

What? He is correct, an economic plan grounded in a political world view is NOT a philosophy.

 

[Gigantomachia]

So you do not believe that Mao's political philosophy lead to the Great Leap Forward?

That's a possibly debatable point. But that's not what you said. See bolded.

Well answer the question.

I haven't read enough Mao to judge, but I have read enough to know that an economic plan like the Great Leap Forward is not a philosophy.

http://books.google.com/books?id=k7FdM07Qf...phy&f=false"The Great Leap Forward, the Maoist philosophy......"

She miss uses the term philosophy, which is to be expected from someone trained in anthropology. And the American Philosophical Society to which she is an honored member is not considered a philosophical organization within academic philosophical circles, either in America or Europe. But keep on keep on.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Top 5 things I am learning today.....1. Mao was a good man2. Communism is not a philosophy3. Listening to the introduction of a speech is out of context.4. A unedited video clip is an unreliable source when Glen Beck plays it.5. Sourcing bloggers on Wikipedia is reliable if they trash Rush.

Your reading comprehension is very poor then, which actually explains what you believe you have learned today.

 

[jon_mx]

Then you may choose to do some more reading.

Whatev's. I've read more at this point in my life than you ever will have. The laughable point is you pretending, or even posing, as if this is something which would enter the realm of the possible which you would read, but yet you feel completely qualified to opine on it at length.And no, the Great Leap Forward was not a philosophy. It was an economic plan enacted, which failed.

Uh huh...NEXT!

What? He is correct, an economic plan grounded in a political world view is NOT a philosophy.

It was the purest large-scale implementation of the Communist philosophy ever attempted. You are splitting hairs. We might as well be discussing what the definition of 'is' is.

 

[Parrothead]

Then you may choose to do some more reading.

Whatev's. I've read more at this point in my life than you ever will have. The laughable point is you pretending, or even posing, as if this is something which would enter the realm of the possible which you would read, but yet you feel completely qualified to opine on it at length.And no, the Great Leap Forward was not a philosophy. It was an economic plan enacted, which failed.

Uh huh...NEXT!

What? He is correct, an economic plan grounded in a political world view is NOT a philosophy.

so what WAS Mao's philosophy then?

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Then you may choose to do some more reading.

Whatev's. I've read more at this point in my life than you ever will have. The laughable point is you pretending, or even posing, as if this is something which would enter the realm of the possible which you would read, but yet you feel completely qualified to opine on it at length.And no, the Great Leap Forward was not a philosophy. It was an economic plan enacted, which failed.

Uh huh...NEXT!

What? He is correct, an economic plan grounded in a political world view is NOT a philosophy.

A set of ideas or beliefs relating to a particular field or activity; an underlying theory - That is a definition of philosophy and it absolutely applies to the political philosophy of Mao that was applied and then named The Great Leap.

 

[E Street Brat]

Anyone post this yet?

Dog bites man. May 2007

 

[Bonzai]

Anyone post this yet?

"We did it for a show."Insane.

 

[jamny]

Anyone post this yet?

Another example of Beck crying when not a single tear is shed.

 

[Gigantomachia]

Then you may choose to do some more reading.

Whatev's. I've read more at this point in my life than you ever will have. The laughable point is you pretending, or even posing, as if this is something which would enter the realm of the possible which you would read, but yet you feel completely qualified to opine on it at length.And no, the Great Leap Forward was not a philosophy. It was an economic plan enacted, which failed.

Uh huh...NEXT!

What? He is correct, an economic plan grounded in a political world view is NOT a philosophy.

A set of ideas or beliefs relating to a particular field or activity; an underlying theory - That is a definition of philosophy and it absolutely applies to the political philosophy of Mao that was applied and then named The Great Leap.

That might be a definition of philosophy, but that is not the definition of philosophy. Do you really want to go down this road with me?

 

[Gigantomachia]

Then you may choose to do some more reading.

Whatev's. I've read more at this point in my life than you ever will have. The laughable point is you pretending, or even posing, as if this is something which would enter the realm of the possible which you would read, but yet you feel completely qualified to opine on it at length.And no, the Great Leap Forward was not a philosophy. It was an economic plan enacted, which failed.

Uh huh...NEXT!

What? He is correct, an economic plan grounded in a political world view is NOT a philosophy.

so what WAS Mao's philosophy then?

I am not convinced he practiced philosophy, particularly since philosophy is a western ideal and Mao was grounded in eastern thought which never coined any term such as philosophy. Perhaps the closest they ever came was with Taoism, but again, they never used the term as such.

 

[the moops]

Anyone post this yet?

Another example of Beck crying when not a single tear is shed.

Maybe it should be "Beck whimpers and gets all choked up like a little girl because he misses simpler times."That work for you?

 

[The Commish]

The Giggy word games were looooooooooong overdue

 

[Gigantomachia]

Then you may choose to do some more reading.

Whatev's. I've read more at this point in my life than you ever will have. The laughable point is you pretending, or even posing, as if this is something which would enter the realm of the possible which you would read, but yet you feel completely qualified to opine on it at length.And no, the Great Leap Forward was not a philosophy. It was an economic plan enacted, which failed.

Uh huh...NEXT!

What? He is correct, an economic plan grounded in a political world view is NOT a philosophy.

It was the purest large-scale implementation of the Communist philosophy ever attempted. You are splitting hairs. We might as well be discussing what the definition of 'is' is.

Again, any political theory as such no longer remains within the limits of philosophy, as philosophy itself can never make any absolute claim to truth; the dreams that drove the hope that it might are long gone. The criticism of criticism is about as close as you get, or so Dewey argued, and most current scholars in philosophy agree.Splitting hairs, wow, talk about not understanding philosophy

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

That might be a definition of philosophy, but that is not the definition of philosophy.

Do you really want to go down this road with me?

Sure I do. I never said it was THE definition. I said it is A definition and by that definition (as I said) it absolutely applies to the political philosophy of Mao.

 

[Gigantomachia]

The Giggy word games were looooooooooong overdue

Evidence that Commish does not understand philosophy.Check.

 

[Gigantomachia]

That might be a definition of philosophy, but that is not the definition of philosophy.

Do you really want to go down this road with me?

Sure I do. I never said it was THE definition. I said it is A definition and by that definition (as said) it absolutely applies to the political philosophy of Mao.

Again, anyone can claim a definition, that does not mean it actually captures philosophy as a practice.This is like dealing with high school students.

 

[Parrothead]

The Giggy word games were looooooooooong overdue

Evidence that Commish does not understand philosophy.Check.

OK, so it wasn't his "philosophy".. Why would Anita Dunn say this:''Third lesson come from the two people i turn to most... Mao Tse-Tung and Mother Teresa...''She turns to him why? Is he a cool guy? Sharp dresser? what exactly is it about Mao that Anita respects, and/or wants to emulate??

 

[Gigantomachia]

The Giggy word games were looooooooooong overdue

Evidence that Commish does not understand philosophy.Check.

OK, so it wasn't his "philosophy".. Why would Anita Dunn say this:''Third lesson come from the two people i turn to most... Mao Tse-Tung and Mother Teresa...''She turns to him why? Is he a cool guy? Sharp dresser? what exactly is it about Mao that Anita respects, and/or wants to emulate??

Could be range of things. His actions, his hopes, his dreams, etc., etc., none of which necessitate any philosophy whatsoever.Get over it already.

 

[Spiderman]

Is there a thread talking about Keith Olbermann referring to Michelle Malkin as "A big mashed-up piece of meat with lipstick on it"???

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Anyone post this yet?

Another example of Beck crying when not a single tear is shed.

Maybe it should be "Beck whimpers and gets all choked up like a little girl because he misses simpler times."That work for you?

Beck is pathetic.

 

[Parrothead]

The Giggy word games were looooooooooong overdue

Evidence that Commish does not understand philosophy.Check.

OK, so it wasn't his "philosophy".. Why would Anita Dunn say this:

''Third lesson come from the two people i turn to most... Mao Tse-Tung and Mother Teresa...''

She turns to him why? Is he a cool guy? Sharp dresser? what exactly is it about Mao that Anita respects, and/or wants to emulate??

Could be range of things. His actions, his hopes, his dreams, etc., etc., none of which necessitate any philosophy whatsoever.Get over it already.

I'm not talking philosophy.. his ACTIONS.. what about his actions would you say are worth respecting?

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

That might be a definition of philosophy, but that is not the definition of philosophy.

Do you really want to go down this road with me?

Sure I do. I never said it was THE definition. I said it is A definition and by that definition (as said) it absolutely applies to the political philosophy of Mao.

Again, anyone can claim a definition, that does not mean it actually captures philosophy as a practice.This is like dealing with high school students.

But what we are talking about philosophy in general. We are talking about Mao Tse Tung's personal Political Philosophy. Since you are dealing with an inferior intellect please bless us with your wisdom and answer a couple of questions for me. #1 - What do you believe Mao Tse Tung's political philosophy entails? (clearly we have a disagreement here so I need you to explain the correct meaning of his philosophy to me).

#2 - You said the Great Leap was an economic plan, but wasn't this "plan" nothing more the enactment of Mao's political philosophy?

 

[The Commish]

The Giggy word games were looooooooooong overdue

Evidence that Commish does not understand philosophy.Check.

Never claimed to. But I believe that you know exactly what he is trying to get at and are just screwing around and being intenionally obtuse

 

[jamny]

Anyone post this yet?

Another example of Beck crying when not a single tear is shed.

Maybe it should be "Beck whimpers and gets all choked up like a little girl because he misses simpler times."That work for you?

Actually yes, because that would be your opinion of Beck's reaction and you would be entitled to it. Saying he cries when he doesn't actually cry is inaccurate. Not to keep bringing this up because I do find it funny when he gets emotional and think he should hold himself together but I keep hearing about him crying when he is actually not crying.A minor point but just one I find interesting.

 

[Gigantomachia]

That might be a definition of philosophy, but that is not the definition of philosophy.

Do you really want to go down this road with me?

Sure I do. I never said it was THE definition. I said it is A definition and by that definition (as said) it absolutely applies to the political philosophy of Mao.

Again, anyone can claim a definition, that does not mean it actually captures philosophy as a practice.This is like dealing with high school students.

But what we are talking about philosophy in general. We are talking about Mao Tse Tung's personal Political Philosophy. Since you are dealing with an inferior intellect please bless us with your wisdom and answer a couple of questions for me. #1 - What do you believe Mao Tse Tung's political philosophy entails? (clearly we have a disagreement here so I need you to explain the correct meaning of his).

#2 - You said the Great Leap was an economic plan, but wasn't this "plan" nothing more the enactment of Mao's political philosophy?

Again, Mao was eastern and they have never had an idea that matches with the idea of philosophy. Philosophy was coined by the ancient Greeks and has never been fully accepted/translated into eastern ideology. But that is a long story.Basically, ideology does not equal philosophy. Which you seem to be struggling with a bit. Clearly Mao had an ideology, that does not, however, mean that it was philosophical.