Glenn Beck (2 Viewers)

[Gigantomachia]

The Giggy word games were looooooooooong overdue

Evidence that Commish does not understand philosophy.Check.

Never claimed to. But I believe that you know exactly what he is trying to get at and are just screwing around and being intenionally obtuse

No, just trying to set the record straight and protect philosophy from being banished about in ways it was never meant to be used. Personal yes, intentionally obtuse, not necessarily.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Also, lost in all this noise, is that Anita Dunn is the communications director for the Obama administration, not the setter of economic and political policy. Let's get back to basics: what she said, and the reason she's in the news this week, is because of her criticism of Fox News.

Can someone, anyone, connect on who she chooses to read has any bearing on anything involving government, and specifically her criticism of Fox News.

Its not about who she reads. Its about who her favorite political philosopher is.

 

[Gigantomachia]

Also, lost in all this noise, is that Anita Dunn is the communications director for the Obama administration, not the setter of economic and political policy. Let's get back to basics: what she said, and the reason she's in the news this week, is because of her criticism of Fox News.

Can someone, anyone, connect on who she chooses to read has any bearing on anything involving government, and specifically her criticism of Fox News.

Its not about who she reads. Its about who her favorite political philosopher is.

Why should that matter? Can you clarify?

 

[Parrothead]

That might be a definition of philosophy, but that is not the definition of philosophy.

Do you really want to go down this road with me?

Sure I do. I never said it was THE definition. I said it is A definition and by that definition (as said) it absolutely applies to the political philosophy of Mao.

Again, anyone can claim a definition, that does not mean it actually captures philosophy as a practice.This is like dealing with high school students.

But what we are talking about philosophy in general. We are talking about Mao Tse Tung's personal Political Philosophy. Since you are dealing with an inferior intellect please bless us with your wisdom and answer a couple of questions for me. #1 - What do you believe Mao Tse Tung's political philosophy entails? (clearly we have a disagreement here so I need you to explain the correct meaning of his).

#2 - You said the Great Leap was an economic plan, but wasn't this "plan" nothing more the enactment of Mao's political philosophy?

Again, Mao was eastern and they have never had an idea that matches with the idea of philosophy. Philosophy was coined by the ancient Greeks and has never been fully accepted/translated into eastern ideology. But that is a long story.Basically, ideology does not equal philosophy. Which you seem to be struggling with a bit. Clearly Mao had an ideology, that does not, however, mean that it was philosophical.

so, would you say his ideology was worth emulating?

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

That might be a definition of philosophy, but that is not the definition of philosophy.

Do you really want to go down this road with me?

Sure I do. I never said it was THE definition. I said it is A definition and by that definition (as said) it absolutely applies to the political philosophy of Mao.

Again, anyone can claim a definition, that does not mean it actually captures philosophy as a practice.This is like dealing with high school students.

But what we are talking about philosophy in general. We are talking about Mao Tse Tung's personal Political Philosophy. Since you are dealing with an inferior intellect please bless us with your wisdom and answer a couple of questions for me. #1 - What do you believe Mao Tse Tung's political philosophy entails? (clearly we have a disagreement here so I need you to explain the correct meaning of his).

#2 - You said the Great Leap was an economic plan, but wasn't this "plan" nothing more the enactment of Mao's political philosophy?

Again, Mao was eastern and they have never had an idea that matches with the idea of philosophy. Philosophy was coined by the ancient Greeks and has never been fully accepted/translated into eastern ideology. But that is a long story.Basically, ideology does not equal philosophy. Which you seem to be struggling with a bit. Clearly Mao had an ideology, that does not, however, mean that it was philosophical.

I am not struggling with anything. You do not seem capable of accepting that your precious term philosophy has several definitions. In the context of the speech that was given Mrs Dunn said political philosophy and that is what we are discussing because that is the context it was used in.

 

[Bonzai]

That might be a definition of philosophy, but that is not the definition of philosophy.

Do you really want to go down this road with me?

Sure I do. I never said it was THE definition. I said it is A definition and by that definition (as said) it absolutely applies to the political philosophy of Mao.

Again, anyone can claim a definition, that does not mean it actually captures philosophy as a practice.This is like dealing with high school students.

But what we are talking about philosophy in general. We are talking about Mao Tse Tung's personal Political Philosophy. Since you are dealing with an inferior intellect please bless us with your wisdom and answer a couple of questions for me. #1 - What do you believe Mao Tse Tung's political philosophy entails? (clearly we have a disagreement here so I need you to explain the correct meaning of his).

#2 - You said the Great Leap was an economic plan, but wasn't this "plan" nothing more the enactment of Mao's political philosophy?

Again, Mao was eastern and they have never had an idea that matches with the idea of philosophy. Philosophy was coined by the ancient Greeks and has never been fully accepted/translated into eastern ideology. But that is a long story.Basically, ideology does not equal philosophy. Which you seem to be struggling with a bit. Clearly Mao had an ideology, that does not, however, mean that it was philosophical.

All types of fantastic semantics in here.

 

[jamny]

Yet more ratings for Glenn Beck. Rush who?

 

[Gigantomachia]

I am not struggling with anything. You do not seem capable of accepting that your precious term philosophy has several definitions. In the context of the speech that was given Mrs Dunn said political philosophy and that is what we are discussing because that is the context it was used in.

I'm sorry, what is your research work in again?

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

I am not struggling with anything. You do not seem capable of accepting that your precious term philosophy has several definitions. In the context of the speech that was given Mrs Dunn said political philosophy and that is what we are discussing because that is the context it was used in.

I'm sorry, what is your research work in again?

Thats your reply? Thanks for playing.

 

[Gigantomachia]

so, would you say his ideology was worth emulating?

Difficult question to address in this format. Some of the underlying currents are interesting I must admit, but the lack of response inherent in the system his ideals necessitate make it extremely problematic. And since I lean more toward anarchy than social utopianism I am naturally adverse to most socially holistic ideologies.Does that answer your questions?

 

[Bonfire]

When in doubt deny all terms and definitions

 

[Gigantomachia]

I am not struggling with anything. You do not seem capable of accepting that your precious term philosophy has several definitions. In the context of the speech that was given Mrs Dunn said political philosophy and that is what we are discussing because that is the context it was used in.

I'm sorry, what is your research work in again?

Thats your reply? Thanks for playing.

And that is your response? So we are just supposed to take your word on what it means to talk about philosophy?Wow, just, wow.

 

[Gigantomachia]

When in doubt deny all terms and definitions

What does that mean?

 

[Parrothead]

so, would you say his ideology was worth emulating?

Difficult question to address in this format. Some of the underlying currents are interesting I must admit, but the lack of response inherent in the system his ideals necessitate make it extremely problematic. And since I lean more toward anarchy than social utopianism I am naturally adverse to most socially holistic ideologies.Does that answer your questions?

good answer..personally, it is troubling to me that a member of the administration would use Mao as a source of inspiration, mistakenly labeled as political philosophy..

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

And that is your response? So we are just supposed to take your word on what it means to talk about philosophy?Wow, just, wow.

Once again since you missed it:

I am not struggling with anything. You do not seem capable of accepting that your precious term philosophy has several definitions. In the context of the speech that was given Mrs Dunn said political philosophy and that is what we are discussing because that is the context it was used in.

You won't even accept one of the definitions of the word not to mention the definition and context the word was used in during the speech. Talk about wow just wow...

 

[Gigantomachia]

so, would you say his ideology was worth emulating?

Difficult question to address in this format. Some of the underlying currents are interesting I must admit, but the lack of response inherent in the system his ideals necessitate make it extremely problematic. And since I lean more toward anarchy than social utopianism I am naturally adverse to most socially holistic ideologies.Does that answer your questions?

good answer..personally, it is troubling to me that a member of the administration would use Mao as a source of inspiration, mistakenly labeled as political philosophy..

Agreement between Parrot and Gig, look out!

 

[Bonzai]

I am not struggling with anything. You do not seem capable of accepting that your precious term philosophy has several definitions. In the context of the speech that was given Mrs Dunn said political philosophy and that is what we are discussing because that is the context it was used in.

In the context of the speech, which looks like a graduation speech to seniors, she the White House communications director not their economics head, is telling the graduating seniors to go out and make their mark. Don't emulate what other people have done, but figure out what your thing is, and go out and do it.If you want to talk context, let's talk context.

The lady deserves to be buried for using Mao as example, though. Horribly idiotic.

 

[Gigantomachia]

And that is your response? So we are just supposed to take your word on what it means to talk about philosophy?Wow, just, wow.

Once again since you missed it:

I am not struggling with anything. You do not seem capable of accepting that your precious term philosophy has several definitions. In the context of the speech that was given Mrs Dunn said political philosophy and that is what we are discussing because that is the context it was used in.

You won't even accept one of the definitions of the word not to mention the definition and context the word was used in during the speech. Talk about wow just wow...

It was used wrong. Doesn't matter how or when, and your lack of ability to see this just proves you hear and see whatever fits your goal, basically the extreme opposite of philosophy. Hence my question as to what you do research in hoping to see if maybe you had some kind of context from which to posit your claims.But go ahead and keep trying.

 

[Gigantomachia]

I am not struggling with anything. You do not seem capable of accepting that your precious term philosophy has several definitions. In the context of the speech that was given Mrs Dunn said political philosophy and that is what we are discussing because that is the context it was used in.

In the context of the speech, which looks like a graduation speech to seniors, she the White House communications director not their economics head, is telling the graduating seniors to go out and make their mark. Don't emulate what other people have done, but figure out what your thing is, and go out and do it.If you want to talk context, let's talk context. If you want to play six degrees to Adolf Hitler, then stop all the semantics.

Very nice.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

And that is your response? So we are just supposed to take your word on what it means to talk about philosophy?Wow, just, wow.

Once again since you missed it:

I am not struggling with anything. You do not seem capable of accepting that your precious term philosophy has several definitions. In the context of the speech that was given Mrs Dunn said political philosophy and that is what we are discussing because that is the context it was used in.

You won't even accept one of the definitions of the word not to mention the definition and context the word was used in during the speech. Talk about wow just wow...

It was used wrong. Doesn't matter how or when, and your lack of ability to see this just proves you hear and see whatever fits your goal, basically the extreme opposite of philosophy. Hence my question as to what you do research in hoping to see if maybe you had some kind of context from which to posit your claims.But go ahead and keep trying.

Once again, thats by one of the definitions. I can not help that you will not accept that the word has other definitions. By the other definitions and the one I posted Mrs Dunn used the term correctly. Now since you do not want to accept that definition there is nothing more to say.

 

[Parrothead]

so, would you say his ideology was worth emulating?

Difficult question to address in this format. Some of the underlying currents are interesting I must admit, but the lack of response inherent in the system his ideals necessitate make it extremely problematic. And since I lean more toward anarchy than social utopianism I am naturally adverse to most socially holistic ideologies.Does that answer your questions?

good answer..personally, it is troubling to me that a member of the administration would use Mao as a source of inspiration, mistakenly labeled as political philosophy..

Agreement between Parrot and Gig, look out!

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

I am not struggling with anything. You do not seem capable of accepting that your precious term philosophy has several definitions. In the context of the speech that was given Mrs Dunn said political philosophy and that is what we are discussing because that is the context it was used in.

In the context of the speech, which looks like a graduation speech to seniors, she the White House communications director not their economics head, is telling the graduating seniors to go out and make their mark. Don't emulate what other people have done, but figure out what your thing is, and go out and do it.If you want to talk context, let's talk context. If you want to play six degrees to Adolf Hitler, then stop all the semantics.

I am sorry I did not realize that made it acceptable that one of her favorite political philosophers was Mao Tse Tung. You clearly are ok with that, but I am not. Where and who she said it to is meaningless.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

I am not struggling with anything. You do not seem capable of accepting that your precious term philosophy has several definitions. In the context of the speech that was given Mrs Dunn said political philosophy and that is what we are discussing because that is the context it was used in.

In the context of the speech, which looks like a graduation speech to seniors, she the White House communications director not their economics head, is telling the graduating seniors to go out and make their mark. Don't emulate what other people have done, but figure out what your thing is, and go out and do it.If you want to talk context, let's talk context. If you want to play six degrees to Adolf Hitler, then stop all the semantics.

I am sorry I did not realize that made it acceptable that one of her favorite political philosophers was Mao Tse Tung. You clearly are ok with that, but I am not. Where and who she said it to is meaningless.

I see, so context doesn't matter.You would rather impose a politically correct thought control test on all government employees, regardless of how, or even if, it impacts their duties.

What is missing from the context? You can watch exactly what she said. In the speech she is talking about one tip from one of her favorite political philosophers. Now maybe I am way off here, but I dont think a person becomes someones favorite political philosopher all because of one "tip".

 

[Gigantomachia]

so, would you say his ideology was worth emulating?

Difficult question to address in this format. Some of the underlying currents are interesting I must admit, but the lack of response inherent in the system his ideals necessitate make it extremely problematic. And since I lean more toward anarchy than social utopianism I am naturally adverse to most socially holistic ideologies.Does that answer your questions?

good answer..personally, it is troubling to me that a member of the administration would use Mao as a source of inspiration, mistakenly labeled as political philosophy..

Agreement between Parrot and Gig, look out!

I thought Friday the 13 wasn't until next month.

 

[Gigantomachia]

And that is your response? So we are just supposed to take your word on what it means to talk about philosophy?Wow, just, wow.

Once again since you missed it:

I am not struggling with anything. You do not seem capable of accepting that your precious term philosophy has several definitions. In the context of the speech that was given Mrs Dunn said political philosophy and that is what we are discussing because that is the context it was used in.

You won't even accept one of the definitions of the word not to mention the definition and context the word was used in during the speech. Talk about wow just wow...

It was used wrong. Doesn't matter how or when, and your lack of ability to see this just proves you hear and see whatever fits your goal, basically the extreme opposite of philosophy. Hence my question as to what you do research in hoping to see if maybe you had some kind of context from which to posit your claims.But go ahead and keep trying.

Once again, thats by one of the definitions. I can not help that you will not accept that the word has other definitions. By the other definitions and the one I posted Mrs Dunn used the term correctly. Now since you do not want to accept that definition there is nothing more to say.

Just because something is misused by the masses does not make it right.ETA: I would think someone like you would appreciate that fact.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Once again, thats by one of the definitions. I can not help that you will not accept that the word has other definitions. By the other definitions and the one I posted Mrs Dunn used the term correctly. Now since you do not want to accept that definition there is nothing more to say.

Just because something is misused by the masses does not make it right.

Well tell that to the dictionary.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Who posted in: Glenn Beck

Gigantomanchia 100

Pretty much doubling everyone else.

 

[the moops]

Anyone post this yet?

Another example of Beck crying when not a single tear is shed.

Maybe it should be "Beck whimpers and gets all choked up like a little girl because he misses simpler times."That work for you?

Actually yes, because that would be your opinion of Beck's reaction and you would be entitled to it. Saying he cries when he doesn't actually cry is inaccurate. Not to keep bringing this up because I do find it funny when he gets emotional and think he should hold himself together but I keep hearing about him crying when he is actually not crying.A minor point but just one I find interesting.

For reals?

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

What is missing from the context? You can watch exactly what she said. In the speech she is talking about one tip from one of her favorite political philosophers. Now maybe I am way off here, but I dont think a person becomes someones favorite political philosopher all because of one "tip".

Also, based on the link in your sig, are you sure that you are a libertarian?

Statement of Principles

We, the members of the Libertarian Party, challenge the cult of the omnipotent state and defend the rights of the individual.



We hold that all individuals have the right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives, and have the right to live in whatever manner they choose, so long as they do not forcibly interfere with the equal right of others to live in whatever manner they choose.

Governments throughout history have regularly operated on the opposite principle, that the State has the right to dispose of the lives of individuals and the fruits of their labor. Even within the United States, all political parties other than our own grant to government the right to regulate the lives of individuals and seize the fruits of their labor without their consent.

We, on the contrary, deny the right of any government to do these things, and hold that where governments exist, they must not violate the rights of any individual: namely, (1) the right to life -- accordingly we support the prohibition of the initiation of physical force against others; (2) the right to liberty of speech and action -- accordingly we oppose all attempts by government to abridge the freedom of speech and press, as well as government censorship in any form; and (3) the right to property -- accordingly we oppose all government interference with private property, such as confiscation, nationalization, and eminent domain, and support the prohibition of robbery, trespass, fraud, and misrepresentation.

One thing you do not seem to get, just because I believe something does not mean I would force that belief on you. Have a nice day.

 

[Gigantomachia]

Who posted in: Glenn BeckGigantomanchia 100Pretty much doubling everyone else.

That happens when people are throwing around as though it were fact in an area I take quite seriously; which is quite rare round these parts.

 

[Gigantomachia]

Once again, thats by one of the definitions. I can not help that you will not accept that the word has other definitions. By the other definitions and the one I posted Mrs Dunn used the term correctly. Now since you do not want to accept that definition there is nothing more to say.

Just because something is misused by the masses does not make it right.

Well tell that to the dictionary.

This is exactly why no research paper in ANY field would allow a dictionary to act as a source of information.

 

[Buckfast 1]

I just purchased a Glenn Beck t-shirt. I'm pretty excited about it.

http://cgi.ebay.com/GLENN-BECK-WWD-RADIO-T...=item5ad3b5fb4e

 

[jon_mx]

I am not struggling with anything. You do not seem capable of accepting that your precious term philosophy has several definitions. In the context of the speech that was given Mrs Dunn said political philosophy and that is what we are discussing because that is the context it was used in.

In the context of the speech, which looks like a graduation speech to seniors, she the White House communications director not their economics head, is telling the graduating seniors to go out and make their mark. Don't emulate what other people have done, but figure out what your thing is, and go out and do it.If you want to talk context, let's talk context. If you want to play six degrees to Adolf Hitler, then stop all the semantics.

I am sorry I did not realize that made it acceptable that one of her favorite political philosophers was Mao Tse Tung. You clearly are ok with that, but I am not. Where and who she said it to is meaningless.

I see, so context doesn't matter.You would rather impose a politically correct thought control test on all government employees, regardless of how, or even if, it impacts their duties.

If the Bush Administration had people giving speeches on how they are inspired by the political philosophy of Timothy McVeigh, would that not concern you? It seems Obama's circle of close friends and advisors are littered with admitted terrorists, devote communists, black theology movement, Mao adorers, etc.... It is crazy we have such kooks so close to the president. Absolutely nuts.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

One thing you do not seem to get, just because I believe something does not mean I would force that belief on you. Have a nice day.

Not me, just a government employee. Or at least only until your hypocrisy is pointed out to you. Got it.

Pretty sure you dont.

 

[Gigantomachia]

One thing you do not seem to get, just because I believe something does not mean I would force that belief on you. Have a nice day.

Not me, just a government employee. Or at least only until your hypocrisy is pointed out to you. Got it.

I wouldn't say Buddy is forcing, overreaching perhaps, but not forcing.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

One thing you do not seem to get, just because I believe something does not mean I would force that belief on you. Have a nice day.

Not me, just a government employee. Or at least only until your hypocrisy is pointed out to you. Got it.

I wouldn't say Buddy is forcing, overreaching perhaps, but not forcing.

He's not forcing his beliefs on someone else, but he is clearly indicating what beliefs are not acceptable, which is just a more limited application of the same general precept.

Once again you just can not seem to get the most important fact of this and that its MY OPINION and its WHAT I BELIEVE. Never said she couldnt, never said she should be put in jail, just that it bothers me that someone in our Government would believe like she does.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Once again you just can not seem to get the most important fact of this and that its MY OPINION and its WHAT I BELIEVE. Never said she couldnt, never said she should be put in jail, just that it bothers me that someone in our Government would believe like she does.

But it bothers you; you don't think she should be working as the White House communications director.

So that means I can't be a Libertarian? Glad you cleared that up.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Once again you just can not seem to get the most important fact of this and that its MY OPINION and its WHAT I BELIEVE. Never said she couldnt, never said she should be put in jail, just that it bothers me that someone in our Government would believe like she does.

But it bothers you; you don't think she should be working as the White House communications director.

So that means I can't be a Libertarian? Glad you cleared that up.

If you were truly libertarian you would be defending her against these smear attacks, and saying that she has the right to any individual freedom of thought that she liked as long as it didn't impact her government duties. Instead, you signed on to the Glenn Beck Crazy Train. You can decide if that means that you're not a libertarian, not informed on what it means to be a libertarian, or just an everyday hypocrite.

When did I say that she doesn't have the right to say what she wants? She has the right to say what she wants and I have the right to not agree and say what I want. You really are grasping here and IMO you look quite foolish.

 

[Gigantomachia]

Once again you just can not seem to get the most important fact of this and that its MY OPINION and its WHAT I BELIEVE. Never said she couldnt, never said she should be put in jail, just that it bothers me that someone in our Government would believe like she does.

But it bothers you; you don't think she should be working as the White House communications director.

So that means I can't be a Libertarian? Glad you cleared that up.

If you were truly libertarian you would be defending her against these smear attacks, and saying that she has the right to any individual freedom of thought that she liked as long as it didn't impact her government duties. Instead, you signed on to the Glenn Beck Crazy Train. You can decide if that means that you're not a libertarian, not informed on what it means to be a libertarian, or just an everyday hypocrite.

When did I say that she doesn't have the right to say what she wants? She has the right to say what she wants and I have the right to not agree and say what I want. You really are grasping here and IMO you look quite foolish.

This is why anarchy is better than libertarianism.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

If you were truly libertarian you would be defending her against these smear attacks, and saying that she has the right to any individual freedom of thought that she liked as long as it didn't impact her government duties. Instead, you signed on to the Glenn Beck Crazy Train. You can decide if that means that you're not a libertarian, not informed on what it means to be a libertarian, or just an everyday hypocrite.

When did I say that she doesn't have the right to say what she wants? She has the right to say what she wants and I have the right to not agree and say what I want. You really are grasping here and IMO you look quite foolish.

That's ok; I know how much your opinion counts for. The only one "grasping" here is you trying to figure out what's involved in being a libertarian. My guess is you thought it was holding on to your guns, trash talking both Republicans and Democrats when the mood suited you, and saying you don't need no guvnment. But if you actually believe in the principles of libertarianism, you would have been against this Glenn Beck Witch Hunt from the start. You would say, "She's an individual with freedoms and she doesn't need to be held up to a political think test by you." Instead you grabbed a torch and pitchfork and started running around, talking about how awful this was. And if she resigned this Sunday because it became politically infeasible for her to stay on because of the noise that Glenn Beck made and you echoed, you'd feel pretty satisfied with yourself. So as I said above, you could decide if this means that you're not really libertarian, if you still don't understand what it means to be libertarian, or if you just want to settle on being a hypocrite.

Do some reading son.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

I know the principles of libertarianism. But since you invited, this is on that website:

Consequently, we defend each person's right to engage in any activity that is peaceful and honest, and welcome the diversity that freedom brings.

Now, in this thread were you defending Anita Dunn's right to engage in reading who she wanted and believing what she wanted? Or did you ask, "One of her favorite political philosophers... this is defensible?"Seems like you need to sit down and have yourself a hard think on things and figure out exactly where it is that you stand.

You clearly do not understand the principals. Just because I disagree with her thinking, nor do I believe in what she does, this does not mean I do not believe she has the right to believe what she does. What do you not grasp about that? You honestly can not be this thick headed. There are tons of people that I disagree with, that have the right to say and believe as they choose, however that does not mean I must find their thinking and beliefs acceptable. I have the right to disagree with her beliefs, Glenn Beck has the right to disagree with her beliefs and stress his own and so does she. Nobody is trampling on her rights, can you understand that?

 

[jon_mx]

As far as the principles involved, you're the one who clearly does not understand the ones you like to say that you embrace.

Your definition of defending principles is very, very shallow: you claim that as long as you don't say she doesn't have the "right" to say it you're embracing libertarian values. Someone like the ACLU, however, who are true civil libertarians, not only say we're not going to infringe on someone's rights, we're going to defend that right even when we disagree with it. You see no such necessity. If this Glenn Beck Crazy Train had gotten enough steam to get her fired, you'd be giving each other high 5's and patting each other on the back, never thinking that what you just did was get someone fired for their individual beliefs which would be completely contrary to the principles which you claim to espouse.

All this discussion has proven is that the answer to the question is B: you don't really understand libertarianism.

The ACLU is more liberal than libertarian. The ACLU has no problem with the liberal ideology being preached in a public school, but a conservative ideology based on religious beliefs can't even be hinted at on public grounds. A true libertarian would have the same position no matter what viewpoint. Let's just look at abortion protestors and RICO. The ACLU was absolutely correct at opposing RICO when it was first introduced, knowing how it could be abused. But when RICO was used against anti-abortion groups to thwart their free speech, the ACLU supported its use. The ACLU 'true' libertarianism is blinded by a huge liberal bias. I know they (at least at the state level) have in cases supported religious expression of Christians, but that is pretty rare. There support of RICO to shut down anti-abortion speech was indefensible from a libertarian perspective.

 

[jon_mx]

BTW, Glen Beck ratings came out...amazing...#1 in 25-40 Demo....#2 overall.

Glenn Beck Tops 1M Viewers in Demo Thursday, #1 on Cable News

By Chris Ariens on Oct 17, 2009 10:41 AM

On Thursday, with the Anita Dunn-FNC frenzy still percolating, Glenn Beck had the #1 show on cable news in the A25-54 demo averaging 1M viewers. Beck was second only to Bill O'Reilly in Total Viewers with 3.22M. And this is where we remind you Beck's show airs at 5pmET/2pmPT.

 

[Challenge Everything]

BTW, Glen Beck ratings came out...amazing...#1 in 25-40 Demo....#2 overall.

Glenn Beck Tops 1M Viewers in Demo Thursday, #1 on Cable News

By Chris Ariens on Oct 17, 2009 10:41 AM

On Thursday, with the Anita Dunn-FNC frenzy still percolating, Glenn Beck had the #1 show on cable news in the A25-54 demo averaging 1M viewers. Beck was second only to Bill O'Reilly in Total Viewers with 3.22M. And this is where we remind you Beck's show airs at 5pmET/2pmPT.

People like to have reinforcement of their personal views. People also like to hear a voice say something they are afraid of saying. Even if what is thought and what is said as well as heard have no truth to it. Beck is near the top of the list of people who say things others want to that are opinions... very little to no fact backing these opinions. Good luck with the Beck love and misinformation. Same goes for Rush.

 

[Parrothead]

BTW, Glen Beck ratings came out...amazing...#1 in 25-40 Demo....#2 overall.

Glenn Beck Tops 1M Viewers in Demo Thursday, #1 on Cable News

By Chris Ariens on Oct 17, 2009 10:41 AM

On Thursday, with the Anita Dunn-FNC frenzy still percolating, Glenn Beck had the #1 show on cable news in the A25-54 demo averaging 1M viewers. Beck was second only to Bill O'Reilly in Total Viewers with 3.22M. And this is where we remind you Beck's show airs at 5pmET/2pmPT.

People like to have reinforcement of their personal views. People also like to hear a voice say something they are afraid of saying. Even if what is thought and what is said as well as heard have no truth to it. Beck is near the top of the list of people who say things others want to that are opinions... very little to no fact backing these opinions. Good luck with the Beck love and misinformation. Same goes for Rush.

I'm not so sure... there are plenty of lefties who listen to Beck.. see TGunz etc.. otherwise, why would you guys foam at the mouth every time his name is mentioned??I've seen one show-- don't like him, so I won't be adding to his ratings and $$...

 

[Challenge Everything]

I'm not so sure... there are plenty of lefties who listen to Beck.. see TGunz etc.. otherwise, why would you guys foam at the mouth every time his name is mentioned??I've seen one show-- don't like him, so I won't be adding to his ratings and $$...

Never seen his show nor intend to do so. Am not a lefty nor do I foam at the mouth when his name is mentioned. People tune in to rebuttal what he says to help prevent the spread of misinformation. That is part of the reason why Rush has so many viewers/listeners. Much of today's news is "Let me say something and you prove me wrong" whereas before it was "Let's report the facts and you make up your mind". The second philosophy still holds in network type news but the first holds in cable news which happens to be what more people watch... which is unfortunate.

 

[Parrothead]

I'm not so sure... there are plenty of lefties who listen to Beck.. see TGunz etc.. otherwise, why would you guys foam at the mouth every time his name is mentioned??I've seen one show-- don't like him, so I won't be adding to his ratings and $$...

Never seen his show nor intend to do so. Am not a lefty nor do I foam at the mouth when his name is mentioned. People tune in to rebuttal what he says to help prevent the spread of misinformation. That is part of the reason why Rush has so many viewers/listeners. Much of today's news is "Let me say something and you prove me wrong" whereas before it was "Let's report the facts and you make up your mind". The second philosophy still holds in network type news but the first holds in cable news which happens to be what more people watch... which is unfortunate.

Sorry, didn't intend to label you specifically as a lefty.. I agree with your post..

 

[jon_mx]

BTW, Glen Beck ratings came out...amazing...#1 in 25-40 Demo....#2 overall.

Glenn Beck Tops 1M Viewers in Demo Thursday, #1 on Cable News

By Chris Ariens on Oct 17, 2009 10:41 AM

On Thursday, with the Anita Dunn-FNC frenzy still percolating, Glenn Beck had the #1 show on cable news in the A25-54 demo averaging 1M viewers. Beck was second only to Bill O'Reilly in Total Viewers with 3.22M. And this is where we remind you Beck's show airs at 5pmET/2pmPT.

People like to have reinforcement of their personal views. People also like to hear a voice say something they are afraid of saying. Even if what is thought and what is said as well as heard have no truth to it. Beck is near the top of the list of people who say things others want to that are opinions... very little to no fact backing these opinions. Good luck with the Beck love and misinformation. Same goes for Rush.

Where is all this misinformation??? Beck plays video and audio of people then gives his commentary on it. You may think his opinions and antics are over the top, but to say it is misinformation is just wrong. So far the only piece of information the white house pointed out was wrong is when Beck misidentified the Canadian city which lost nearly a billion dollars during the Olympics. Surprisingly, the white house disposed of Van Jones at the same time they were attacking Beck, giving Beck more legitimacy. Beck seems to be the only one willing to really expose the left-wing lunacy who populates the White House, and the fact that the white house seems to be using taxpayer money to monitor and attack Beck is pretty disturbing.

 

[jon_mx]

BTW, the red phone Beck installed was pure genius. The White House can smear Beck behind his back with unsupported accusations, but so far they have been afraid to call in and challenge Beck on any fact. Over 3 million viewers and growing.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

BTW, the red phone Beck installed was pure genius. The White House can smear Beck behind his back with unsupported accusations, but so far they have been afraid to call in and challenge Beck on any fact. Over 3 million viewers and growing.

Prediction: in one year his audience will be less than half that. Assuming he hasn't been committed to an insane asylum or "day spa" for "exhaustion" by then.