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Shorter jon_mx: Media Matters lies. And do you know how I know? Because I've got this example where they told the truth!!!timschochet said:
May I attach Exhibit 1 of just how much they care about being accurate...
Yep...they may not make #### up, but they have no problem 'reporting' made up #### when it fits their bias.
What the heck does that have to do with anything?
the anti-Mormon religious bigotry is fine & dandy here at FBG by the beautiful people
I'm not a Beck guy but Soros is really a loathsome person
Why? Just because he made his money by crashing entire countries' economies? Some people can be so sensitive.
So start a thread. Sorors is worthy, as is his counterparts like Rupert Murdoch and the Koch brothers..But certainly dont listen to Beck on any subject matter... only donkeys who are incapable of reason and thought would do that.
Capitalism at its very pinnacle.Did he do things illegaly? Or did he just squeeze out as much profit witin the ruleset as he could regardless of who it hurt? I though the right loved Gordon Gecko.
No kidding. If Soros was a Republican, they would worship him as a God.
Oh hell yeah. They would be trying to change the laws to get him presidentially eligible.And they would have already put him in over Steele as the RNC chairman.
Here you go jamny... please be thoughtful on the scenario...So what are the lies?He is piling on so many lies, he should count his lucky stars that his target doesnt sue him.Lovin' the George Soros stuff.
http://mediamatters.org/research/201011110032
You just dont like the truth. You fit in very well with the American right.I do like how it went from attacking Soros. To attacking MM. To attacking Choke. All because Glen Beck and his Fox News lies were exposed exactly as such.Conservatives are JOKES. You didnt even comment on the lies and doctoring, did ya? J.O.K.E.They pop in, say another lie, make another attack, show themelves to be fools... then pop back out.
This is one is splendid. Why?It was Fox News' own doing.
He then donated 1 million to MM in Oct of 2010. "The enemy of my enemy..."
It looks as if Beck didn't edit what Soros said as much as he didn't play the whole clip. This clip:
is accurate.
I responded to your first cut-n-paste from MM, yet you haven't replied back. Now I tried to discuss the second one. Why not have a normal discussion instead of the typical screams of "LIES" and insults of "Conservatives are JOKES". Maybe Beck is spreading lies. I'd like to have my eyes open if I'm being taken for a ride. So far the two examples you posted aren't showing me deliberate lies. I'm not popping in and out making attacks. So far you seem to be the one doing it.
That reply wasnt to you.When someone comes and pisses in the place, with nothing more then personal attacks and nothing on target of the actual discssion, dont get too upset when its answered in kind. Obviously and unfortunately it got a raise out of you, hopefully it reached its intended target.
Excuse me?Thats a total lie. A very intentional one.
Isn't the quote exactly the same as the last blue-highlighted quote in your first post?
You are saying the other post (blue font) is the same as this other first post (blue font)?Isn't the quote exactly the same as the last blue-highlighted quote in your first post?
edit: and that's where you're getting me wrong. I haven't been misled because I don't know the truth yet. That's what I'm trying to find out. I don't take everything Beck says at face value, I look into it further.
What are you getting at?*** I think you are asking "whats the difference between my two posts"? A: One is stating that he was liing about the subtance. The next one is the actual doctoring of video (including playing them in an incorrect order and editing out the some of the key parts) to make-up a story for you [people who watch Fox and Beck] to buy hook-line and sinker and for your to be afraid. You should see some of the conservative forums. Its like people refuse to be thoughtful on anything they lie about. Its really an amazing and infuriating circumstance.
not word for word what Soros said? You highlighted it in post #1258 at the bottom in blue. Doctoring implies that things were played in different order or taken out in the middle. Maybe Beck didn't play the whole quote, but it seems like he didn't edit the quote he did play.
Whats the issue?
You're saying Beck lied and doctored the video, yet it seems word for word with what Soros said.
Thats just 1 part. He didnt lie about and doctor every little syllable and phrase.
That is the MAIN part, the crux of the lying claim. I don't know if Beck lied or doctored any videos, you haven't given me any evidence yet. When Soros says "a very important flaw in the current world order, and that is that only Americans have a vote in Congress" what am I supposed to take that to mean? You tell me.Thats just 1 part. He didnt lie about and doctor every little syllabal and phrase.
You really going to sit there and say he didnt lie about and doctor what he fed you?
He flatly told you Soros wants foreigners to vote for our governement. Have some integrity.
I asked for way too much from you. I apologize. The post had a link attatched, including every video and with the edits and lies.No matter what the truth is, even if presented to you. Now you will just get stuck on 1 phrase and ignore all the lies an edits. Sad.Choke said:
Alright, never mind Choke. I've answered every one of your questions and you continue to avoid and dismiss mine.Nice talking to you.
He said what he meant. That the American way (laws) of business has to think beyond America. Yet we dont.This was plainly bolded and highlighted in blue. This was part of it that was doctored. Instead Beck/Fox has people afraid that Soros is trying to buy the Chinese (or whoever) the right to vote in America. Among other things re: Soros.
I think Choke overreached here. Soros does indeed lament the fact that foreigners do not have a vote in electing U.S. officials. Those sentences, standing alone, clearly states what Beck is arguing -- that Soros wants the U.S. to give up its sovereignty to foreigners. But Soros disregards that thought in his very next sentence, by saying that having a foreign power have a vote is not the answer. That sentence completely destroys Beck's point, and that is the sentence Beck chose not to include. If you take Soros's entire statement together, then it seems to me pretty clear that Soros is saying that it seems unjust that the U.S. policy has such influence over the rest of the world and the rest of the world has no say in affecting that policy. That's it. Maybe you still see something sinister and foreboding in that, maybe you don't. By not including that next sentence, Beck makes his job of portraying Soros as the sinister villain out to destroy the U.S. much easier. If he had included that next sentence, then Beck's argument becomes much more difficult to make. It's not so cut and dry, and he'd have to bolster it with other convincing evidence (which he doesn't have ... this was presented as the "caught red-handed" piece that tied his whole argument together). So Beck selectively edited the clip for his own benefit.
I didnt think he lamented having foreigners vote for our officials. Not at all (he even says so).I thought he lamented that the US makes the rules for the rest of the world, especially economically, and we dont work outwards but inwards.
Thanks OC.That's why I stated early on:
I'm not really sure what he means by the comment and am just looking for opinions from people that know more where Soros stands. And just to be even more critical, he says in the quote, "I don't think you can correct it by giving the Chinese government a vote in Congress." Probably a minor point, but why only say Chinese and not "foreign governments"? He seems to be a man who knows what he means when he says things.I still haven't formulated any opinion on Soros but he sure is an interesting character.
That goes to my point in another thread where Obama criticises China for purposely keeping the value of the yuan down but has no problem with the Fed's $600 billion QE.
Which thread? I started to write-up a response, but should place that in the other more appropriate thread.
Did Obama inherit a position that allows him to really worry about anything beyond Americas immediate financial situation? Maybe in time?
Yes, worry about US financial problems. So why be critical of China right now when they're doing the same thing.
I love it. You're upset that the attack went from Soros, to Media Matters, to Choke. So in order to show how wrong that it is, you go from attacking Beck, to Fox News, to ALL Conservatives.Maybe if you opened your horizons to new information like Soros wants to open borders, you'd see that some Conservatives actually support Soros' vision...Choke said:
Im guessing that what China is doing he believes could hurt America? (Which is again being inwards)
Actually Im fine with someone attacking Soros.It was the outright lies and deception that Beck/Fox put forth on the subject matter that was the problem ==> Hint: This is the Beck thread.
Probably right but the "do as I say, not as I do" attitude is interesting.
Not if he believes its intentional. Are we doing things with the dollar to intentionally hurt China?
The right will not call for Fox to fire him.
