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I hate posting in the first few weeks of the season, because I've made myself look silly too many times to count. With small sample sizes, it's easy to make overreactions.

I created a post before the season where I took guys that weren't getting much value, and speculated that they could become top ten players, despite having really low ADP's. I struck out on some and hit a few homers.

But the quarter point has always been a very interesting time to make decisions. If you are 0-4, there is a good chance you aren't unlucky, you just aren't any good, and it's time to make some big moves. So here are some players I would go after:

1. Jonathan Stewart -- The situation is horrible. I don't see how it can improve. There aren't enough carries for the STARTER for heavens sake. But his talent is undeniable and his owners are getting frustrated. Even in re-draft leagues, I bet this guy can be had for nickels on the dollar. In the event (however unlikely) that a trade happens, Stewart immediately vaults into super-stud status, as he does if an injury occurs. In dynasty leagues his owners probably will still value him quite a bit, but in re-drafts his value is plummeting.

2. Shonn Greene -- Only 4 carries less than LT. His miserable, embarrassing first night now a nightmare, Greene is regaining the bruiser status he had in the playoffs last year. As the season drags on, I expect to see more and more of Greene, especially as defenses get more worn out. In dynasty leagues especially, where LT has limited longterm value, Greene can be had for pennies of his talent, which a month ago was through the roof. Don't let one bad game and an LT resurgence keep you from liking the guy. He has bigtime RB talent.

3. Michael Bush -- Although Mcfadden was in my first group of guys to go get, Bush is in my second. The pendulum of value has swung all the way around. Bush is going to win the goalline job back, and if he stays healthy represents tremendous value. I'm not sure Mcfadden will be able to stay injury-free for the entire season. You can probably get Bush for peanuts. Not a bad idea right now.

4. Percy Harvin -- This guy will benefit big from Randy Moss. I don't know if his owner will trade him to you right now, but you might find an owner who thinks that the Moss acquisition is a bad thing for Percy. If you happen to find that owner, take Harvin from him quickly and thank me later.

5. Harry Douglas -- I like this guy, I really, really like this guy. He's not going to have alot of value in non-ppr leagues, but in ppr leagues, get him. He continues to learn the offense and he is going to be that 2nd option Ryan needs in the WR corps. He still hasn't had a total breakout game, but he's made some very impressive plays and is still fitting into the offense. He could explode the 2nd half of this season.

6. Michael Crabtree -- The time to get him was really before last week, as his value was completely in the floor, but you still might find an owner willing to shed him. Crabtree was universally thought of as an elite talent before the season. His talent hasn't changed. Being a diva didn't stop Randy Moss or Terrell Owens from being great WR's and it won't stop Crabtree. I'm a little less optimistic in re-draft leagues obviously, but he's still a guy who was really worked into the offense alot more in week 4. I think he will have some huge games as the season progresses.

7. Eli Manning -- A very wierd open to the season for Eli, but he has some very juicy matchups coming up. If your Eli owner has moved him to his number 2 role, Eli could represent immense value right now. His stats will come around, pull the trigger.

8. MAYBE--Mike Vick -- This is a big if. IF you have an owner that is mad that he didn't trade Vick when his value was high, you might be able to pry him off his hands for a discount. I'd say that 90% of his owners will NOT do this. But Vick is very love/hate with people, and you might find an owner that was trying to sell high and now is ready to panic. I personally would trade for Vick in a heartbeat if I could. ESPECIALLY if Kolb does pretty decent this weekend, you might see his owners panic and sell cheap. I still think Vick might win the MVP this year, of course depending if he can get back in 2 weeks as opposed to 4 or 5. We'll see.

 
Get Bush for peanuts right now? Are you nuts? :bag:

Bush owners are basically exactly where they'd hoped to be 4 weeks in. His value is anything but low.

 
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1. Jonathan Stewart -- The situation is horrible. I don't see how it can improve. There aren't enough carries for the STARTER for heavens sake. But his talent is undeniable and his owners are getting frustrated. Even in re-draft leagues, I bet this guy can be had for nickels on the dollar. In the event (however unlikely) that a trade happens, Stewart immediately vaults into super-stud status, as he does if an injury occurs. In dynasty leagues his owners probably will still value him quite a bit, but in re-drafts his value is plummeting.2. Shonn Greene -- Only 4 carries less than LT. His miserable, embarrassing first night now a nightmare, Greene is regaining the bruiser status he had in the playoffs last year. As the season drags on, I expect to see more and more of Greene, especially as defenses get more worn out. In dynasty leagues especially, where LT has limited longterm value, Greene can be had for pennies of his talent, which a month ago was through the roof. Don't let one bad game and an LT resurgence keep you from liking the guy. He has bigtime RB talent.
Both these guys could have even lower perceived value after this week. Stewart vs. Chicago and Greene vs. Minnesota. 2 very good run defenses.
 
I don't see why Harry Douglas has more value in a PPR league. He's not going to be a big reception guy with Roddy and Tony G in the mix. If anything he's more of the fewer receptions but for bigger play guy. I do like him though, I watched him last 2 weeks and he's aggressive going for the ball and seems on the verge of a big game.

I like the Shonn Greene call. His value is never going to be lower (it was a few weeks ago) with LT blowing up last week. I'm feeling the Crabtree one too.

 
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3. Michael Bush -- Although Mcfadden was in my first group of guys to go get, Bush is in my second. The pendulum of value has swung all the way around. Bush is going to win the goalline job back, and if he stays healthy represents tremendous value. I'm not sure Mcfadden will be able to stay injury-free for the entire season. You can probably get Bush for peanuts. Not a bad idea right now.
Do you like Bush's situation better than Blount in TB?
 
And Harvin owners (and Peterson and Favre owners for that matter) are nothing but encouraged with the Moss acquisition. What Harvin owner is gonna want to look at that move as anything but positive? No way they rush to sell.

I like most of your others though...

 
Get Bush for peanuts right now? Are you nuts? :shrug:

Bush owners are basically exactly where they'd hoped to be 4 weeks in. His value is anything but low.
Really? Coming off of an injury and McFadden looking pretty good probably wasn't where most owners would have picture Bush draft time.
 
shader said:
3. Michael Bush -- Although Mcfadden was in my first group of guys to go get, Bush is in my second. The pendulum of value has swung all the way around. Bush is going to win the goalline job back, and if he stays healthy represents tremendous value. I'm not sure Mcfadden will be able to stay injury-free for the entire season. You can probably get Bush for peanuts. Not a bad idea right now.
Do you like Bush's situation better than Blount in TB?
considering that McFadden is nursing a sore hammy...i think it might be a bit late to get Bush for a discount.
 
shader said:
3. Michael Bush -- Although Mcfadden was in my first group of guys to go get, Bush is in my second. The pendulum of value has swung all the way around. Bush is going to win the goalline job back, and if he stays healthy represents tremendous value. I'm not sure Mcfadden will be able to stay injury-free for the entire season. You can probably get Bush for peanuts. Not a bad idea right now.
Do you like Bush's situation better than Blount in TB?
considering that McFadden is nursing a sore hammy...i think it might be a bit late to get Bush for a discount.
Actually, he's sitting on our ww right now. I'd have to drop Blount to get him. But I'm not even sure he'd start for me right now (Hillis, Best, McCoy, DWill in a ppr league)
 
I don't see why Harry Douglas has more value in a PPR league. He's not going to be a big reception guy with Roddy and Tony G in the mix. If anything he's more of the fewer receptions but for bigger play guy. I do like him though, I watched him last 2 weeks and he's aggressive going for the ball and seems on the verge of a big game. I like the Shonn Greene call. His value is never going to be lower (it was a few weeks ago) with LT blowing up last week. I'm feeling the Crabtree one too.
I got to thinking about that exact thing as I was driving home after this post. Douglas really hasn't had alot of receptions thus-far and so maybe he'll be more of a big play guy, thus would actually be LESS valuable in PPR's.However, I just tend to think that his catches are going to get higher and higher and I can see him being a bigtime safety valve for Ryan in the future. Maybe I'm wrong, but as he gets acclimated into the offense, this is what I think could happen.
 
Get Bush for peanuts right now? Are you nuts? :shrug:

Bush owners are basically exactly where they'd hoped to be 4 weeks in. His value is anything but low.
Really? Coming off of an injury and McFadden looking pretty good probably wasn't where most owners would have picture Bush draft time.
Coming off a hand injury, whoopie! Did you not see the oft-injured McFadden pull up last week with another hamstring injury? You gotta be kidding me that Bush is a buy-low right now.

 
Like green, really like Douglas in dynasty because he can be had cheap. Bush doesn't seem to be cheap but his owners can't be thrilled with mcfaddens start, even if he's injured.

 
Get Bush for peanuts right now? Are you nuts? :goodposting:Bush owners are basically exactly where they'd hoped to be 4 weeks in. His value is anything but low.
The Bush owner in my league thought Bush would be the main starter and that Mcfadden would be a 3rd down back. I can't imagine that Bush has met anyone's expectations.
 
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Get Bush for peanuts right now? Are you nuts? :goodposting:

Bush owners are basically exactly where they'd hoped to be 4 weeks in. His value is anything but low.
Really? Coming off of an injury and McFadden looking pretty good probably wasn't where most owners would have picture Bush draft time.
Coming off a hand injury, whoopie! Did you not see the oft-injured McFadden pull up last week with another hamstring injury? You gotta be kidding me that Bush is a buy-low right now.
McFadden is like the number 5 RB in the league right now. One poster has actually mentioned that he's on waivers. These type of posts don't apply in all leagues, as some owners value some players differently than others.

But I can assure you that Michael Bush's value has fallen bigtime to many owners, though not necessarily the owners in your league(s).

Crosseyed, I'd dump Blount for Bush all day long. I don't really like Blount myself. Seemed very slow to the hole when I watched him in the pre-season with Tennessee.

 
Get Bush for peanuts right now? Are you nuts? :goodposting:

Bush owners are basically exactly where they'd hoped to be 4 weeks in. His value is anything but low.
The Bush owner in my league thought Bush would be the main starter and that Mcfadden would be a 3rd down back. I can't imagine that Bush has met anyone's expectations.
It's your topic, not mine. So, "Go get these guys" has nothing to do with whether or not expectations were met for the first four weeks. Two different topics. Look, if you want to start another thread about where you thought numbers WOULD BE right now, go for it...as useless as it may be.You're saying people should go get Bush when his value just skyrocketed; it's ridiculous.

 
Don't bother with Douglas. Is he even going to have the job when whathisname comes back?

I think McFadden is the smarter buy low in Oakland. Play up the Bush stealing his job concerns. McFadden has looked very, very, good.

Shonn Greene has a brutal playoff schedule. But I'd buy him now and sell him in a month.

Eli...meh. Guy's upside is lower top 10. Pass.

 
Get Bush for peanuts right now? Are you nuts? :loco:

Bush owners are basically exactly where they'd hoped to be 4 weeks in. His value is anything but low.
The Bush owner in my league thought Bush would be the main starter and that Mcfadden would be a 3rd down back. I can't imagine that Bush has met anyone's expectations.
It's your topic, not mine. So, "Go get these guys" has nothing to do with whether or not expectations were met for the first four weeks. Two different topics. Look, if you want to start another thread about where you thought numbers WOULD BE right now, go for it...as useless as it may be.You're saying people should go get Bush when his value just skyrocketed; it's ridiculous.
:goodposting: shader - I like the effort you put into these. You could use a bit of tweaking with this list.

 
Get Bush for peanuts right now? Are you nuts? :goodposting:

Bush owners are basically exactly where they'd hoped to be 4 weeks in. His value is anything but low.
The Bush owner in my league thought Bush would be the main starter and that Mcfadden would be a 3rd down back. I can't imagine that Bush has met anyone's expectations.
It's your topic, not mine. So, "Go get these guys" has nothing to do with whether or not expectations were met for the first four weeks. Two different topics. Look, if you want to start another thread about where you thought numbers WOULD BE right now, go for it...as useless as it may be.You're saying people should go get Bush when his value just skyrocketed; it's ridiculous.
How did his value skyrocket? If I were a Bush owner, he'd have much less value to me than he did at the outset of the pre-season.
 
Don't bother with Douglas. Is he even going to have the job when whathisname comes back? I think McFadden is the smarter buy low in Oakland. Play up the Bush stealing his job concerns. McFadden has looked very, very, good.Shonn Greene has a brutal playoff schedule. But I'd buy him now and sell him in a month.Eli...meh. Guy's upside is lower top 10. Pass.
Douglas isn't hitting the pine for ol whatshisname. He's in the starting lineup to stay.You may be right on Shonn Greene's playoff schedule. Sometimes when I make these lists, I'm thinking more in a dynasty perspective. Perhaps next time I'll focus on one or the other, dynasty or re-draft.Regardless, I think Greene's owners are still panicking over LT and he can be had cheap.
 
look at s greene schedule towards the end. Brutal. I'd go with Ricky Williams / F Jones.
Shonn Greene's Weeks 13-16 (points allowed ranking to RBs in brackets):@NE (15) MIA (14) @PIT (29) @CHI (16)Only the Pittsburgh game is a major concern. Furthermore, weather could play a factor in any of those games which would only serve to skew towards the run. LT is a great feel-good comeback story. Let's see what that 32-year old west coast RB is doing come December.
 
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I hate posting in the first few weeks of the season, because I've made myself look silly too many times to count. With small sample sizes, it's easy to make overreactions.I created a post before the season where I took guys that weren't getting much value, and speculated that they could become top ten players, despite having really low ADP's. I struck out on some and hit a few homers. But the quarter point has always been a very interesting time to make decisions. If you are 0-4, there is a good chance you aren't unlucky, you just aren't any good, and it's time to make some big moves. So here are some players I would go after:1. Jonathan Stewart -- The situation is horrible. I don't see how it can improve. There aren't enough carries for the STARTER for heavens sake. But his talent is undeniable and his owners are getting frustrated. Even in re-draft leagues, I bet this guy can be had for nickels on the dollar. In the event (however unlikely) that a trade happens, Stewart immediately vaults into super-stud status, as he does if an injury occurs. In dynasty leagues his owners probably will still value him quite a bit, but in re-drafts his value is plummeting.2. Shonn Greene -- Only 4 carries less than LT. His miserable, embarrassing first night now a nightmare, Greene is regaining the bruiser status he had in the playoffs last year. As the season drags on, I expect to see more and more of Greene, especially as defenses get more worn out. In dynasty leagues especially, where LT has limited longterm value, Greene can be had for pennies of his talent, which a month ago was through the roof. Don't let one bad game and an LT resurgence keep you from liking the guy. He has bigtime RB talent.3. Michael Bush -- Although Mcfadden was in my first group of guys to go get, Bush is in my second. The pendulum of value has swung all the way around. Bush is going to win the goalline job back, and if he stays healthy represents tremendous value. I'm not sure Mcfadden will be able to stay injury-free for the entire season. You can probably get Bush for peanuts. Not a bad idea right now.4. Percy Harvin -- This guy will benefit big from Randy Moss. I don't know if his owner will trade him to you right now, but you might find an owner who thinks that the Moss acquisition is a bad thing for Percy. If you happen to find that owner, take Harvin from him quickly and thank me later.5. Harry Douglas -- I like this guy, I really, really like this guy. He's not going to have alot of value in non-ppr leagues, but in ppr leagues, get him. He continues to learn the offense and he is going to be that 2nd option Ryan needs in the WR corps. He still hasn't had a total breakout game, but he's made some very impressive plays and is still fitting into the offense. He could explode the 2nd half of this season.6. Michael Crabtree -- The time to get him was really before last week, as his value was completely in the floor, but you still might find an owner willing to shed him. Crabtree was universally thought of as an elite talent before the season. His talent hasn't changed. Being a diva didn't stop Randy Moss or Terrell Owens from being great WR's and it won't stop Crabtree. I'm a little less optimistic in re-draft leagues obviously, but he's still a guy who was really worked into the offense alot more in week 4. I think he will have some huge games as the season progresses.7. Eli Manning -- A very wierd open to the season for Eli, but he has some very juicy matchups coming up. If your Eli owner has moved him to his number 2 role, Eli could represent immense value right now. His stats will come around, pull the trigger.8. MAYBE--Mike Vick -- This is a big if. IF you have an owner that is mad that he didn't trade Vick when his value was high, you might be able to pry him off his hands for a discount. I'd say that 90% of his owners will NOT do this. But Vick is very love/hate with people, and you might find an owner that was trying to sell high and now is ready to panic. I personally would trade for Vick in a heartbeat if I could. ESPECIALLY if Kolb does pretty decent this weekend, you might see his owners panic and sell cheap. I still think Vick might win the MVP this year, of course depending if he can get back in 2 weeks as opposed to 4 or 5. We'll see.
I reallly like your calls. Unfortunately your Mcfadden/Bush right up completely confused me, i had to check the date of the post really quick. Mcfadden was injured already, and Bush is starting. Bush's value has already gone through the roof and Mcfadden is already hurt. Also regarding Eli, i just think there are others available. I would rather go for Orton, even though his value is high, he is probably a backup and can be had for less than his value. Even play mathups like Bradford this week before pay to get Eli. I have Vick, but also picked up Kolb who should be available and play in some games. This guy has talent and a lot of weapons on his team. Once he feels comfortable, he may just fall into line.
 
Get Bush for peanuts right now? Are you nuts? :loco:

Bush owners are basically exactly where they'd hoped to be 4 weeks in. His value is anything but low.
The Bush owner in my league thought Bush would be the main starter and that Mcfadden would be a 3rd down back. I can't imagine that Bush has met anyone's expectations.
It's your topic, not mine. So, "Go get these guys" has nothing to do with whether or not expectations were met for the first four weeks. Two different topics. Look, if you want to start another thread about where you thought numbers WOULD BE right now, go for it...as useless as it may be.You're saying people should go get Bush when his value just skyrocketed; it's ridiculous.
How did his value skyrocket? If I were a Bush owner, he'd have much less value to me than he did at the outset of the pre-season.
:mellow: So, want to change your topic now, huh? Adding that last part (about the "outset of the pre-season") to your "Go get these guys now" topic is just a way for you to backtrack. Nobody cares where he was a month or two ago, that's long gone, and it was never the topic. You are telling people here to "go out and get" a player. Fine, but your premise here was value, or buy low, and you are listing a guy who's value just went way up. Owners have waited for him to come back, and now they get the added benefit of an injury to McFadden, making the situation perfect for him. It's laughable that I am even explaining this right now.

If you honestly don't realize how Bush's value just went up, then you probably shouldn't be doing these threads. All you had to do was admit that he shouldn't be on the list. Fighting it makes you look silly.

 
Get Bush for peanuts right now? Are you nuts? :mellow:

Bush owners are basically exactly where they'd hoped to be 4 weeks in. His value is anything but low.
Really? Coming off of an injury and McFadden looking pretty good probably wasn't where most owners would have picture Bush draft time.
Coming off a hand injury, whoopie! Did you not see the oft-injured McFadden pull up last week with another hamstring injury? You gotta be kidding me that Bush is a buy-low right now.
the problem is your statement is saying "this is a perfect scenario for Bush owners" when it really isn't. Optimal would be McFadden playing like garbage and getting hurt. As it stands now no matter what Bush does, McFadden will play a big factor when he comes back. That is far, far from "Bush owners are basically exactly where they'd hope to be 4 weeks in." Granted his value is significantly higher then a "buy low" but he still has a best case scenario of a split RBBC in a few weeks.
 
After the way the first one of these threads turned out, I must say you have cajones sir. :boxing:

Disagree on Greene, Douglas, and Crabtree.

The others make sense. I do not think Greene can be heralded as returning to form yet. We'll see, but the luster is off for me.

 
Get Bush for peanuts right now? Are you nuts? :boxing:Bush owners are basically exactly where they'd hoped to be 4 weeks in. His value is anything but low.
The Bush owner in my league thought Bush would be the main starter and that Mcfadden would be a 3rd down back. I can't imagine that Bush has met anyone's expectations.
I don't think the other owner will give him up cheap. he drafted him high, held on to him for 4 weeks, and now McFadden has a bum Hammy. Bush owners are HOLDING right now.
 
Get Bush for peanuts right now? Are you nuts? :boxing:

Bush owners are basically exactly where they'd hoped to be 4 weeks in. His value is anything but low.
Really? Coming off of an injury and McFadden looking pretty good probably wasn't where most owners would have picture Bush draft time.
Coming off a hand injury, whoopie! Did you not see the oft-injured McFadden pull up last week with another hamstring injury? You gotta be kidding me that Bush is a buy-low right now.
the problem is your statement is saying "this is a perfect scenario for Bush owners" when it really isn't. Optimal would be McFadden playing like garbage and getting hurt. As it stands now no matter what Bush does, McFadden will play a big factor when he comes back. That is far, far from "Bush owners are basically exactly where they'd hope to be 4 weeks in." Granted his value is significantly higher then a "buy low" but he still has a best case scenario of a split RBBC in a few weeks.
This thread is really about undervalued players and I can see where Bush is still undervalued. Sure it will be a committee, but McFadden isn't getting 24 carries a game any more. No matter how healthy he gets. The Raiders are running well and Bush looks pretty strong.
 
shader said:
3. Michael Bush -- Although Mcfadden was in my first group of guys to go get, Bush is in my second. The pendulum of value has swung all the way around. Bush is going to win the goalline job back, and if he stays healthy represents tremendous value. I'm not sure Mcfadden will be able to stay injury-free for the entire season. You can probably get Bush for peanuts. Not a bad idea right now.
Do you like Bush's situation better than Blount in TB?
considering that McFadden is nursing a sore hammy...i think it might be a bit late to get Bush for a discount.
Actually, he's sitting on our ww right now. I'd have to drop Blount to get him. But I'm not even sure he'd start for me right now (Hillis, Best, McCoy, DWill in a ppr league)
Here's the problem with many Owners....whether he starts or not for YOU, grab him!!!! At the very least you take him away from another Owner and more importantly when/if Run DMC doesn't get healthy quick you have some nice trade bait.In my big money league I own 6 RBs in a 16 player league...I am sitting back fielding one offer after another for BUsh, Torain, Addai and just standing pat.....until I get that offerf I can't refuse...it's coming as RBs are dropping like flies :boxing:
 
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4. Percy Harvin -- This guy will benefit big from Randy Moss. I don't know if his owner will trade him to you right now, but you might find an owner who thinks that the Moss acquisition is a bad thing for Percy. If you happen to find that owner, take Harvin from him quickly and thank me later.
Not buying it. Farve came back for one too many years. At Farve's age he needs a better offensive line. Another depth threat WR is not gonna help much. He needed a Wes Welker, not a Randy Moss.
 
shader said:
3. Michael Bush -- Although Mcfadden was in my first group of guys to go get, Bush is in my second. The pendulum of value has swung all the way around. Bush is going to win the goalline job back, and if he stays healthy represents tremendous value. I'm not sure Mcfadden will be able to stay injury-free for the entire season. You can probably get Bush for peanuts. Not a bad idea right now.
Do you like Bush's situation better than Blount in TB?
considering that McFadden is nursing a sore hammy...i think it might be a bit late to get Bush for a discount.
Actually, he's sitting on our ww right now. I'd have to drop Blount to get him. But I'm not even sure he'd start for me right now (Hillis, Best, McCoy, DWill in a ppr league)
Here's the problem with many Owners....whether he starts or not for YOU, grab him!!!! At the very least you take him away from another Owner and more importantly when/if Run DMC doesn't get healthy quick you have some nice trade bait.In my big money league I own 6 RBs in a 16 player league...I am sitting back fielding one offer after another for BUsh, Torain, Addai and just standing pat.....until I get that offerf I can't refuse...it's coming as RBs are dropping like flies :goodposting:
The problem is that we have short benches and I have to cut someone loose to pick him up. That's why I was asking for opinions on Blount. I don't want to grab a short term value while cutting loose a long term value.
 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
This has been an amazing week.

This to me seems like a combined trade-for/sign-off-WW listing and the mining may be richer than any since or outside of Week 1.

I would say leave Vick out of this; he was aimed for a Top-3 finish and people have not simply forgotten that.

Stewart I don't get, is he rising because Williams will be traded? Or because Stew will?

Torain, Greene, Bush were all cheap gets LAST weekend, not this week.

This is how I have `em, in order:

Tate

Torain

Wallace

Bess

Greene

M. Bush

FAVRE

Harvin

Douglas

Eli Manning (I get the schedule part, good point)

Giants WR's (Ditto, why not bump them all if you're bumping Eli?)

Giants DST (Ditto)

Hernandez

Welker

Shiancoe

Saints WR's (look at the schedule, they will reemerge)

Crabtree?: NO.
What's the scoop on Harry Douglas?

 
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I hate posting in the first few weeks of the season, because I've made myself look silly too many times to count. With small sample sizes, it's easy to make overreactions.I created a post before the season where I took guys that weren't getting much value, and speculated that they could become top ten players, despite having really low ADP's. I struck out on some and hit a few homers. But the quarter point has always been a very interesting time to make decisions. If you are 0-4, there is a good chance you aren't unlucky, you just aren't any good, and it's time to make some big moves. So here are some players I would go after:1. Jonathan Stewart -- The situation is horrible. I don't see how it can improve. There aren't enough carries for the STARTER for heavens sake. But his talent is undeniable and his owners are getting frustrated. Even in re-draft leagues, I bet this guy can be had for nickels on the dollar. In the event (however unlikely) that a trade happens, Stewart immediately vaults into super-stud status, as he does if an injury occurs. In dynasty leagues his owners probably will still value him quite a bit, but in re-drafts his value is plummeting.2. Shonn Greene -- Only 4 carries less than LT. His miserable, embarrassing first night now a nightmare, Greene is regaining the bruiser status he had in the playoffs last year. As the season drags on, I expect to see more and more of Greene, especially as defenses get more worn out. In dynasty leagues especially, where LT has limited longterm value, Greene can be had for pennies of his talent, which a month ago was through the roof. Don't let one bad game and an LT resurgence keep you from liking the guy. He has bigtime RB talent.3. Michael Bush -- Although Mcfadden was in my first group of guys to go get, Bush is in my second. The pendulum of value has swung all the way around. Bush is going to win the goalline job back, and if he stays healthy represents tremendous value. I'm not sure Mcfadden will be able to stay injury-free for the entire season. You can probably get Bush for peanuts. Not a bad idea right now.4. Percy Harvin -- This guy will benefit big from Randy Moss. I don't know if his owner will trade him to you right now, but you might find an owner who thinks that the Moss acquisition is a bad thing for Percy. If you happen to find that owner, take Harvin from him quickly and thank me later.5. Harry Douglas -- I like this guy, I really, really like this guy. He's not going to have alot of value in non-ppr leagues, but in ppr leagues, get him. He continues to learn the offense and he is going to be that 2nd option Ryan needs in the WR corps. He still hasn't had a total breakout game, but he's made some very impressive plays and is still fitting into the offense. He could explode the 2nd half of this season.6. Michael Crabtree -- The time to get him was really before last week, as his value was completely in the floor, but you still might find an owner willing to shed him. Crabtree was universally thought of as an elite talent before the season. His talent hasn't changed. Being a diva didn't stop Randy Moss or Terrell Owens from being great WR's and it won't stop Crabtree. I'm a little less optimistic in re-draft leagues obviously, but he's still a guy who was really worked into the offense alot more in week 4. I think he will have some huge games as the season progresses.7. Eli Manning -- A very wierd open to the season for Eli, but he has some very juicy matchups coming up. If your Eli owner has moved him to his number 2 role, Eli could represent immense value right now. His stats will come around, pull the trigger.8. MAYBE--Mike Vick -- This is a big if. IF you have an owner that is mad that he didn't trade Vick when his value was high, you might be able to pry him off his hands for a discount. I'd say that 90% of his owners will NOT do this. But Vick is very love/hate with people, and you might find an owner that was trying to sell high and now is ready to panic. I personally would trade for Vick in a heartbeat if I could. ESPECIALLY if Kolb does pretty decent this weekend, you might see his owners panic and sell cheap. I still think Vick might win the MVP this year, of course depending if he can get back in 2 weeks as opposed to 4 or 5. We'll see.
I reallly like your calls. Unfortunately your Mcfadden/Bush right up completely confused me, i had to check the date of the post really quick. Mcfadden was injured already, and Bush is starting. Bush's value has already gone through the roof and Mcfadden is already hurt. Also regarding Eli, i just think there are others available. I would rather go for Orton, even though his value is high, he is probably a backup and can be had for less than his value. Even play mathups like Bradford this week before pay to get Eli. I have Vick, but also picked up Kolb who should be available and play in some games. This guy has talent and a lot of weapons on his team. Once he feels comfortable, he may just fall into line.
Orton is a backup?
 
Get Bush for peanuts right now? Are you nuts? :bag:

Bush owners are basically exactly where they'd hoped to be 4 weeks in. His value is anything but low.
The Bush owner in my league thought Bush would be the main starter and that Mcfadden would be a 3rd down back. I can't imagine that Bush has met anyone's expectations.
It's your topic, not mine. So, "Go get these guys" has nothing to do with whether or not expectations were met for the first four weeks. Two different topics. Look, if you want to start another thread about where you thought numbers WOULD BE right now, go for it...as useless as it may be.You're saying people should go get Bush when his value just skyrocketed; it's ridiculous.
How did his value skyrocket? If I were a Bush owner, he'd have much less value to me than he did at the outset of the pre-season.
:) So, want to change your topic now, huh? Adding that last part (about the "outset of the pre-season") to your "Go get these guys now" topic is just a way for you to backtrack. Nobody cares where he was a month or two ago, that's long gone, and it was never the topic. You are telling people here to "go out and get" a player. Fine, but your premise here was value, or buy low, and you are listing a guy who's value just went way up. Owners have waited for him to come back, and now they get the added benefit of an injury to McFadden, making the situation perfect for him. It's laughable that I am even explaining this right now.

If you honestly don't realize how Bush's value just went up, then you probably shouldn't be doing these threads. All you had to do was admit that he shouldn't be on the list. Fighting it makes you look silly.
Yes, go get Michael Bush. That's what I'm telling you. Bush's value didn't just go way up and it isn't skyrocketing. Is it higher than it was before Mcfadden's injury? Of course it is. The injury gives Bush a chance to prove what he can do and carve out a role on the team, which is why I'm encouraging people to go get him, becuase I like him.And hopefully this thread has shown you that SOME leagues and SOME owners don't all feel the same way that YOU do. In fact, at least one person so far posted in this thread that Bush was on the waiver wire. I recommended that they go get him off the waiver wire.

My list wasn't a list of people who had zero value. It's a list of people who have value that is less than what I feel they will provide over the coming weeks and months. If you don't agree, move on.

 
shader said:
I hate posting in the first few weeks of the season, because I've made myself look silly too many times to count. With small sample sizes, it's easy to make overreactions.I created a post before the season where I took guys that weren't getting much value, and speculated that they could become top ten players, despite having really low ADP's. I struck out on some and hit a few homers. But the quarter point has always been a very interesting time to make decisions. If you are 0-4, there is a good chance you aren't unlucky, you just aren't any good, and it's time to make some big moves. So here are some players I would go after:1. Jonathan Stewart -- The situation is horrible. I don't see how it can improve. There aren't enough carries for the STARTER for heavens sake. But his talent is undeniable and his owners are getting frustrated. Even in re-draft leagues, I bet this guy can be had for nickels on the dollar. In the event (however unlikely) that a trade happens, Stewart immediately vaults into super-stud status, as he does if an injury occurs. In dynasty leagues his owners probably will still value him quite a bit, but in re-drafts his value is plummeting.2. Shonn Greene -- Only 4 carries less than LT. His miserable, embarrassing first night now a nightmare, Greene is regaining the bruiser status he had in the playoffs last year. As the season drags on, I expect to see more and more of Greene, especially as defenses get more worn out. In dynasty leagues especially, where LT has limited longterm value, Greene can be had for pennies of his talent, which a month ago was through the roof. Don't let one bad game and an LT resurgence keep you from liking the guy. He has bigtime RB talent.3. Michael Bush -- Although Mcfadden was in my first group of guys to go get, Bush is in my second. The pendulum of value has swung all the way around. Bush is going to win the goalline job back, and if he stays healthy represents tremendous value. I'm not sure Mcfadden will be able to stay injury-free for the entire season. You can probably get Bush for peanuts. Not a bad idea right now.4. Percy Harvin -- This guy will benefit big from Randy Moss. I don't know if his owner will trade him to you right now, but you might find an owner who thinks that the Moss acquisition is a bad thing for Percy. If you happen to find that owner, take Harvin from him quickly and thank me later.5. Harry Douglas -- I like this guy, I really, really like this guy. He's not going to have alot of value in non-ppr leagues, but in ppr leagues, get him. He continues to learn the offense and he is going to be that 2nd option Ryan needs in the WR corps. He still hasn't had a total breakout game, but he's made some very impressive plays and is still fitting into the offense. He could explode the 2nd half of this season.6. Michael Crabtree -- The time to get him was really before last week, as his value was completely in the floor, but you still might find an owner willing to shed him. Crabtree was universally thought of as an elite talent before the season. His talent hasn't changed. Being a diva didn't stop Randy Moss or Terrell Owens from being great WR's and it won't stop Crabtree. I'm a little less optimistic in re-draft leagues obviously, but he's still a guy who was really worked into the offense alot more in week 4. I think he will have some huge games as the season progresses.7. Eli Manning -- A very wierd open to the season for Eli, but he has some very juicy matchups coming up. If your Eli owner has moved him to his number 2 role, Eli could represent immense value right now. His stats will come around, pull the trigger.8. MAYBE--Mike Vick -- This is a big if. IF you have an owner that is mad that he didn't trade Vick when his value was high, you might be able to pry him off his hands for a discount. I'd say that 90% of his owners will NOT do this. But Vick is very love/hate with people, and you might find an owner that was trying to sell high and now is ready to panic. I personally would trade for Vick in a heartbeat if I could. ESPECIALLY if Kolb does pretty decent this weekend, you might see his owners panic and sell cheap. I still think Vick might win the MVP this year, of course depending if he can get back in 2 weeks as opposed to 4 or 5. We'll see.
I reallly like your calls. Unfortunately your Mcfadden/Bush right up completely confused me, i had to check the date of the post really quick. Mcfadden was injured already, and Bush is starting. Bush's value has already gone through the roof and Mcfadden is already hurt. Also regarding Eli, i just think there are others available. I would rather go for Orton, even though his value is high, he is probably a backup and can be had for less than his value. Even play mathups like Bradford this week before pay to get Eli. I have Vick, but also picked up Kolb who should be available and play in some games. This guy has talent and a lot of weapons on his team. Once he feels comfortable, he may just fall into line.
Orton is a backup?
I'm thinking the point here was Orton was not drafted by many in 1 QB leagues to be a starter. He may have forced his way into that role on certain teams after the first month of the season, but that may mean a strong percentage of teams have a good problem on their hands and would trade Orton in the right deal.
 
After the way the first one of these threads turned out, I must say you have cajones sir. :confused: Disagree on Greene, Douglas, and Crabtree. The others make sense. I do not think Greene can be heralded as returning to form yet. We'll see, but the luster is off for me.
I'm sorry, did you not like the first thread or something? Sure as Koolaid boy points out, I missed the Jerome Harrison call....But when you're picking guys with ADP's over 20 who will finish in the top ten, you obviously can't nail them all. I'm pretty happy with how that first list has worked out myself. I wish I hadn't already drafted when I wrote it out.The point of these types of threads is not to pick all the sleepers in the league, or to nail every pick, but to pick out a number of players who could really surprise and who are relatively cheap to acquire.
 
shader said:
I hate posting in the first few weeks of the season, because I've made myself look silly too many times to count. With small sample sizes, it's easy to make overreactions.I created a post before the season where I took guys that weren't getting much value, and speculated that they could become top ten players, despite having really low ADP's. I struck out on some and hit a few homers. But the quarter point has always been a very interesting time to make decisions. If you are 0-4, there is a good chance you aren't unlucky, you just aren't any good, and it's time to make some big moves. So here are some players I would go after:1. Jonathan Stewart -- The situation is horrible. I don't see how it can improve. There aren't enough carries for the STARTER for heavens sake. But his talent is undeniable and his owners are getting frustrated. Even in re-draft leagues, I bet this guy can be had for nickels on the dollar. In the event (however unlikely) that a trade happens, Stewart immediately vaults into super-stud status, as he does if an injury occurs. In dynasty leagues his owners probably will still value him quite a bit, but in re-drafts his value is plummeting.2. Shonn Greene -- Only 4 carries less than LT. His miserable, embarrassing first night now a nightmare, Greene is regaining the bruiser status he had in the playoffs last year. As the season drags on, I expect to see more and more of Greene, especially as defenses get more worn out. In dynasty leagues especially, where LT has limited longterm value, Greene can be had for pennies of his talent, which a month ago was through the roof. Don't let one bad game and an LT resurgence keep you from liking the guy. He has bigtime RB talent.3. Michael Bush -- Although Mcfadden was in my first group of guys to go get, Bush is in my second. The pendulum of value has swung all the way around. Bush is going to win the goalline job back, and if he stays healthy represents tremendous value. I'm not sure Mcfadden will be able to stay injury-free for the entire season. You can probably get Bush for peanuts. Not a bad idea right now.4. Percy Harvin -- This guy will benefit big from Randy Moss. I don't know if his owner will trade him to you right now, but you might find an owner who thinks that the Moss acquisition is a bad thing for Percy. If you happen to find that owner, take Harvin from him quickly and thank me later.5. Harry Douglas -- I like this guy, I really, really like this guy. He's not going to have alot of value in non-ppr leagues, but in ppr leagues, get him. He continues to learn the offense and he is going to be that 2nd option Ryan needs in the WR corps. He still hasn't had a total breakout game, but he's made some very impressive plays and is still fitting into the offense. He could explode the 2nd half of this season.6. Michael Crabtree -- The time to get him was really before last week, as his value was completely in the floor, but you still might find an owner willing to shed him. Crabtree was universally thought of as an elite talent before the season. His talent hasn't changed. Being a diva didn't stop Randy Moss or Terrell Owens from being great WR's and it won't stop Crabtree. I'm a little less optimistic in re-draft leagues obviously, but he's still a guy who was really worked into the offense alot more in week 4. I think he will have some huge games as the season progresses.7. Eli Manning -- A very wierd open to the season for Eli, but he has some very juicy matchups coming up. If your Eli owner has moved him to his number 2 role, Eli could represent immense value right now. His stats will come around, pull the trigger.8. MAYBE--Mike Vick -- This is a big if. IF you have an owner that is mad that he didn't trade Vick when his value was high, you might be able to pry him off his hands for a discount. I'd say that 90% of his owners will NOT do this. But Vick is very love/hate with people, and you might find an owner that was trying to sell high and now is ready to panic. I personally would trade for Vick in a heartbeat if I could. ESPECIALLY if Kolb does pretty decent this weekend, you might see his owners panic and sell cheap. I still think Vick might win the MVP this year, of course depending if he can get back in 2 weeks as opposed to 4 or 5. We'll see.
I reallly like your calls. Unfortunately your Mcfadden/Bush right up completely confused me, i had to check the date of the post really quick. Mcfadden was injured already, and Bush is starting. Bush's value has already gone through the roof and Mcfadden is already hurt. Also regarding Eli, i just think there are others available. I would rather go for Orton, even though his value is high, he is probably a backup and can be had for less than his value. Even play mathups like Bradford this week before pay to get Eli. I have Vick, but also picked up Kolb who should be available and play in some games. This guy has talent and a lot of weapons on his team. Once he feels comfortable, he may just fall into line.
Orton is a backup?
I'm thinking the point here was Orton was not drafted by many in 1 QB leagues to be a starter. He may have forced his way into that role on certain teams after the first month of the season, but that may mean a strong percentage of teams have a good problem on their hands and would trade Orton in the right deal.
It's a horrible time to trade FOR Orton. He is scheduled to throw for over 5,000 yards. 2 weeks ago, maybe. Now you'd be lucky to get him cheap, which again, is the point of this thread. Right now, you'll pay top dollar for Orton. If you trade for him, you better hope he performs at top dollar because that's what he'll cost.You can probably get Eli for a discounted rate currently, especially if Eli's owner has another QB (like Orton, Vick, etc) that they are starting. With some juicy matchups, Eli could easily OUTPERFORM what his current value might be to his owner.And again, all owners are different. In some leagues, Michael Bush might be owned by a die-hard Louisville fan who is convinced Bush is the next superstar rb. In another league, the owner might think Mcfadden is the real deal and is looking to unload Bush while he feels he has some value due to Mcfadden's slight injury.
 
The point of everyone values players differently is very evident...i own mcfadden and tried to get Michael Bush before McFadden was injured and he wanted a 1st rounder (because that is where he drafted him) didn't even inquire after McFadden was slightly hurt...

Everyone went into buy low mode for McFadden though....got offers like this for McFadden

I give McFadden, lee Evans and Dixon

I get Felix Jones, Brian Hartline, and Golden Tate

or

I give

McFadden, Fitzpatrick and Lee evans

I get

LT, McNabb, and Devin Hester

 
Good list but I would add J. Snelling, if/when Turner gets injured he will be the one to own.
Snelling would be an instant add if Turner goes down for sure, but it's hard to predict an injury and I don't think there's enough for him with a healthy Turner.
 
Good list ...thanks for the post.

The Eli one is interesting, esp as he plays HOU this week.

I wonder if Sidney Rice is worth a shot, or if the Moss trade indicates he isn't coming back this year (or before the playoffs).

 
You are telling people here to "go out and get" a player. Fine, but your premise here was value, or buy low, and you are listing a guy who's value just went way up. Owners have waited for him to come back, and now they get the added benefit of an injury to McFadden, making the situation perfect for him. It's laughable that I am even explaining this right now.If you honestly don't realize how Bush's value just went up, then you probably shouldn't be doing these threads. All you had to do was admit that he shouldn't be on the list. Fighting it makes you look silly.
You are missing the point. The only issue here (or in any such "go get these guys" topic) is what a guy's value will be tomorrow, relative to today. What it was yesterday is mostly irrelevant.So let's say hypothetically Bush was worth $2 last week, and now this week he's worth $10 because of McFadden's injury. Wouldn't you still want to buy him right now for $10 if you thought next week he'd be worth $20?That's the beginning and the end of the analysis here.
 
shader said:
4. Percy Harvin -- This guy will benefit big from Randy Moss. I don't know if his owner will trade him to you right now, but you might find an owner who thinks that the Moss acquisition is a bad thing for Percy. If you happen to find that owner, take Harvin from him quickly and thank me later.
Not buying it. Farve came back for one too many years. At Farve's age he needs a better offensive line. Another depth threat WR is not gonna help much. He needed a Wes Welker, not a Randy Moss.
Moss is the only deep threat they have. Harvin is much more suited to be an underneath guy. :yes:
 
The point of everyone values players differently is very evident...i own mcfadden and tried to get Michael Bush before McFadden was injured and he wanted a 1st rounder (because that is where he drafted him) didn't even inquire after McFadden was slightly hurt...Everyone went into buy low mode for McFadden though....got offers like this for McFaddenI give McFadden, lee Evans and Dixon I get Felix Jones, Brian Hartline, and Golden TateorI giveMcFadden, Fitzpatrick and Lee evans I get LT, McNabb, and Devin Hester
I'd do the second one.
 

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