Going ALL IN with Mike James (1 Viewer)

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All evidence to contrary, I'm a believer that Mike James is going to be VERY fantasy relevant ROS. It's been well pointed out by now that Doug Martin hasn't had a great year and so if he couldn't get the Bucs run game going then how can James get it going when he's clearly the inferior RB of the two. Well I believe he'll make up for that in the passing game. Doug Martin was never really a pass catching type of back so it didn't really make sense to have him run routes out the backfield but with Mike James he can most definitely do that AND be successful.

Another thing in his favor is the fact that Vincent Jackson has been tearing it up lately and Glennon only has eyes for him so he should clearly be the main focal point for defenses the rest of the season which could open things up for James.

And finally, as a wildcard, Greg Schiano himself. Everything he's done this season with how he runs the team just makes you scratch your head. So why not add another head scratcher. Your star RB goes down, back up comes in, so why not decide to feature said backup even MORE. Not just in the run game but get him plenty of touches in the pass game as well. Sounds like a dumb idea right? Then take a second to think about what Greg Schiano has done so far this season.

I have the #1 waiver priority and am using it on MJ and starting MJ this week.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Doug Martin was never really a pass catching type of back so it didn't really make sense to have him run routes out the backfield but with Mike James he can most definitely do that AND be successful.

 

[SameSongNDance]

PPR I'd likely have no problem flexing him this week but CAR has been pretty darn good against both the rush and pass this year.

In standard, for example, I envision a 6-8 points week.

 

[Pietaster2]

Colorful post, but I'd save your WW priority. If Mike James was so good, why didn't he get more snaps before Martin went down? Martin is many times the player James is, and couldn't get anything done behind that awful line.

This will be an RBBC with Rainey, and James will probably put up RB3 stat lines each week. Not what I'd spend the #1 WW priority on.

Also, Martin is a superb pass catcher.

 

[SameSongNDance]

Colorful post, but I'd save your WW priority. If Mike James was so good, why didn't he get more snaps before Martin went down? Martin is many times the player James is, and couldn't get anything done behind that awful line.

This will be an RBBC with Rainey, and James will probably put up RB3 stat lines each week. Not what I'd spend the #1 WW priority on.

Also, Martin is a superb pass catcher.

Don't forget about Leonard either. He might not be a special player but he's pretty solid and will get work as well.

 

[Longtucky Lemmings]

Colorful post, but I'd save your WW priority. If Mike James was so good, why didn't he get more snaps before Martin went down? Martin is many times the player James is, and couldn't get anything done behind that awful line.

This will be an RBBC with Rainey, and James will probably put up RB3 stat lines each week. Not what I'd spend the #1 WW priority on.

Also, Martin is a superb pass catcher.

I wonder if James' lack of snaps might have more to do with Schiano being a believer in the "Workhorse Back" philosophy. Seems to me he does prefer to give the keys to one guy and run him into the ground.

Now, I'm by no means arguing Mike James is in the same talent tier as Martin but if Schiano is a workhorse kinda guy it might bode well for James' value ROS.

 

[Black]

Doug Martin was never really a pass catching type of back so it didn't really make sense to have him run routes out the backfield but with Mike James he can most definitely do that AND be successful.

 

[FF Ninja]

I'm no Martin fan, but if Martin was struggling then so too will Mike James. I'd have to be extremely desperate to start him in 0ppr and in a fairly sad state to be starting him in ppr.

Rather than going all in, I'd probably fold this hand. I liken this to a Jack-8 off suit. A starting RB has value, but this one is probably not going to win you anything.

 

[Shawn]

I'm thinking of waivering this guy just to fill in for Matt Forte's bye then dropping unless he puts up stellar stats.

 

[gradin123]

I think the one thing working in his favor is that he seems to be good at pass protection which is the big issue with young RB's. That should allow him to stay on the field more.

Still it is not out of the realm of possibility Doug Martin returns. Sidney Rice played through a torn labrum in 2011 and I watched him a lot that year and I really didn't notice it in his play. He ended having his year shortened by multiple concussions but his shoulder wasn't a big issue. Rice ended up having surgery after the season on his shoulder and returned the next year.

Also, in basketball Dwight Howard played through a torn labrum this year and was effective.

Not all torn labrums are equal. After a week or two of rest Martin may be able to play through it.

 

[Gottabesweet]

This thread kills that.

 

[Longtucky Lemmings]

Martin sure is talking like he thinks he'll be back sooner than later

 

[Chaka]

I think the only true hope you should have for the Bucs running game would be the return of Carl Nicks to full strength. If that happens then there may be something to see here. Otherwise he is worth rostering but I wouldn't hold my breath for his production.

 

[Air Stich]

I don't think James is going to be a stud ROW, but for gods sake, USE YOUR F'ING WAIVER PRIORITY ALREADY! What are you saving it for if not for a guy like James?

There's nothing more overrated in fantasy football than your waiver priority.

 

[packersfan]

Martin sure is talking like he thinks he'll be back sooner than later

What did he say?

 

[tdhartis]

I don't think James is going to be a stud ROW, but for gods sake, USE YOUR F'ING WAIVER PRIORITY ALREADY! What are you saving it for if not for a guy like James?

There's nothing more overrated in fantasy football than your waiver priority.

 

[voiceofunreason]

All evidence to contrary, I'm a believer that Mike James is going to be VERY fantasy relevant ROS. It's been well pointed out by now that Doug Martin hasn't had a great year and so if he couldn't get the Bucs run game going then how can James get it going when he's clearly the inferior RB of the two. Well I believe he'll make up for that in the passing game. Doug Martin was never really a pass catching type of back so it didn't really make sense to have him run routes out the backfield but with Mike James he can most definitely do that AND be successful.

Another thing in his favor is the fact that Vincent Jackson has been tearing it up lately and Glennon only has eyes for him so he should clearly be the main focal point for defenses the rest of the season which could open things up for James.

And finally, as a wildcard, Greg Schiano himself. Everything he's done this season with how he runs the team just makes you scratch your head. So why not add another head scratcher. Your star RB goes down, back up comes in, so why not decide to feature said backup even MORE. Not just in the run game but get him plenty of touches in the pass game as well. Sounds like a dumb idea right? Then take a second to think about what Greg Schiano has done so far this season.

I have the #1 waiver priority and am using it on MJ and starting MJ this week.

I'm actually totally buying into this because after reading your thread about how crazy Schiano is, I think you might be him. So this is solid inside info. Tell me, any chance of Jamarcus Russel being next years opening day qb?

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I don't think James is going to be a stud ROW, but for gods sake, USE YOUR F'ING WAIVER PRIORITY ALREADY! What are you saving it for if not for a guy like James?

There's nothing more overrated in fantasy football than your waiver priority.

well, if you burned it last week, then chances are somebody will beat you to this guy this week.

 

[tdhartis]

I don't think James is going to be a stud ROW, but for gods sake, USE YOUR F'ING WAIVER PRIORITY ALREADY! What are you saving it for if not for a guy like James?

There's nothing more overrated in fantasy football than your waiver priority.

well, if you burned it last week, then chances are somebody will beat you to this guy this week.

I think he's referring to "a guy like James," as in a RB that may be the starter for the ROS. If that's not the type of player you've been waiting to use your priority on, then who is? Top-flight handcuffs are likely already rostered in most leagues, so it's more of a rarity then it seems when a starting RB goes down long-term and it happens to be on a team where the guy is widely available.

If someone burned their priority on someone like Randle (DAL) last week and someone beats them to James this week because of it, that was either a poor decision or a desperation move, and another story entirely. People truly sitting on their waiver priority are usually waiting for a situation exactly like this.

 

[Apple Jack]

I don't think James is going to be a stud ROW, but for gods sake, USE YOUR F'ING WAIVER PRIORITY ALREADY! What are you saving it for if not for a guy like James?

There's nothing more overrated in fantasy football than your waiver priority.

Glad I played it smart with my WW priority to this point and was able to pick up mark jones.

 

[Diamond]

I don't think James is going to be a stud ROW, but for gods sake, USE YOUR F'ING WAIVER PRIORITY ALREADY! What are you saving it for if not for a guy like James?

There's nothing more overrated in fantasy football than your waiver priority.

Glad I played it smart with my WW priority to this point and was able to pick up mark jones.

Uh-oh. I think you may have wasted it on the wrong guy.

 

[Chaka]

I don't think James is going to be a stud ROW, but for gods sake, USE YOUR F'ING WAIVER PRIORITY ALREADY! What are you saving it for if not for a guy like James?

There's nothing more overrated in fantasy football than your waiver priority.

well, if you burned it last week, then chances are somebody will beat you to this guy this week.

Last week you probably should have burned it on Boykins.

 

[Apple Jack]

I don't think James is going to be a stud ROW, but for gods sake, USE YOUR F'ING WAIVER PRIORITY ALREADY! What are you saving it for if not for a guy like James?

There's nothing more overrated in fantasy football than your waiver priority.

Glad I played it smart with my WW priority to this point and was able to pick up mark jones.

Uh-oh. I think you may have wasted it on the wrong guy.

Mort who?

 

[Gargoylez]

I am not starting James this week. Martin has under performed for me with all the chances he has got. Martin is NOT Peterson, I am not saying that... but the Vikes have a worse QB situation and he has done very well considering. Martin has not IMO.

I can't see James playing anything better than Martin and I am sure James will be spelled more often than Martin was. Thats just my opinion.

As a Bucs fan I hope James goes nutty and runs for 300 yards. Hey, it could happen. But I'll keep him on the bench in a critical week of FF with all these injuries.

 

[Nucker101]

Didn't have the FAAB $ to land this guy but I'm going to try to trade for him. He physical profile looks solid enough and I don't see Leonard as a huge threat, he'll get his touches but I expect James to be the lead back. Countless times fantasy owners have seen that fresh legs in the backfield can have a very surprising short term impact. He may not be as talented as Martin but I believe the upside is there.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

glad I saved my waiver priority for next week's craphole

 

[BlueBlazer05]

I'm in a wonky league, so he actually got me 20 points tonight as my flex.

 

[Apple Jack]

glad I saved my waiver priority for next week's craphole

Carolina's run D is pretty good and he didn't look too bad. I imagine Schiano is ripe for a Lane Kiffin airport parking lot hit, so I will stay tuned. For now, it was just bye-week relief.

 

[Keith Lewis]

Looked better than the turd he replaced

 

[Andrew74]

Looked better than the turd he replaced

Your season down the crapper?

 

[LuckyOne]

He looked OK against a top 5 rush defense. SEA next week, then a few weeks he should be worth starting.

 

[dickey moe]

I'm in a wonky league, so he actually got me 20 points tonight as my flex.

Please explain how that was possible.

 

[Leonidas]

Looked better than the turd he replaced

6.40 points in standard.

Not great.

But probably more than a lot of RB2/Flex starters will score this week.

 

[fantasycurse42]

As long as Schiano is around, watch out for Leonard vulturing TDs.

 

[BlueBlazer05]

I'm in a wonky league, so he actually got me 20 points tonight as my flex.

Please explain how that was possible.

2 points per reception, 5 rushing/receiving yards per point. Crazy, huh?

 

[Ghost Rider]

I'm in a wonky league, so he actually got me 20 points tonight as my flex.

Please explain how that was possible.

2 points per reception, 5 rushing/receiving yards per point. Crazy, huh?

I think stupid is the better word.

 

[Interseptopus]

I'm in a wonky league, so he actually got me 20 points tonight as my flex.

Please explain how that was possible.

2 points per reception, 5 rushing/receiving yards per point. Crazy, huh?

That's great, but that's like saying I can get 2000 pesos for $2, so I'm rich20 points in your league isn't much because all RBs are subject to the same scoring. So your 20 points are actually equivalent to ~10 points in standard PPR leagues, which is alright for a flex fill in, but leaves a lot to be desired.

Mike James scoring 20 points sounds great, but when you consider 30 points is a "good" score for a rb in your league, 20 looks less exciting

 

[fantasycurse42]

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7426/doug-martin

Doug Martin trying to get back by week 10

 

[BlueBlazer05]

I'm in a wonky league, so he actually got me 20 points tonight as my flex.

Please explain how that was possible.

2 points per reception, 5 rushing/receiving yards per point. Crazy, huh?

That's great, but that's like saying I can get 2000 pesos for $2, so I'm rich20 points in your league isn't much because all RBs are subject to the same scoring. So your 20 points are actually equivalent to ~10 points in standard PPR leagues, which is alright for a flex fill in, but leaves a lot to be desired.

Mike James scoring 20 points sounds great, but when you consider 30 points is a "good" score for a rb in your league, 20 looks less exciting

Well it's not great by any means, but it's a 12-teamer where we start 3 RB's plus a flex, so I can live with what James got me. Should've said that earlier, sorry.

 

[porkchopxpress]

He looked OK against a top 5 rush defense. SEA next week, then a few weeks he should be worth starting.

Yeah I didn't think he looked bad at all. Ran with some authority and actually got some backfield targets on swing passes. If their O-line could buy their QB 3 seconds to check down he might have gotten some more dumps. Once Carolina took a commanding lead they were forced to play catch up pass O and he was minimized in the offense but if they could ever stay competitive in a game he could be a halfway decent starter.

 

[ragnarok628]

3.9 YPC against Carolina? Yeah, I'll hang on to that. If the game script lets him get a decent number of carries, we should see good points and the TDs will come.

 

[Interseptopus]

I'm in a wonky league, so he actually got me 20 points tonight as my flex.

Please explain how that was possible.

2 points per reception, 5 rushing/receiving yards per point. Crazy, huh?

That's great, but that's like saying I can get 2000 pesos for $2, so I'm rich20 points in your league isn't much because all RBs are subject to the same scoring. So your 20 points are actually equivalent to ~10 points in standard PPR leagues, which is alright for a flex fill in, but leaves a lot to be desired.

Mike James scoring 20 points sounds great, but when you consider 30 points is a "good" score for a rb in your league, 20 looks less exciting

Well it's not great by any means, but it's a 12-teamer where we start 3 RB's plus a flex, so I can live with what James got me. Should've said that earlier, sorry.

No it's just you kind of boasted that he got you 20 points. Comparing apples to oranges.

In standard PPR he got 10.5 points. I'm sure a lot of people were happy with that considering a lot of things. However, if your league inflates receptions and yards, and he got 20 points, that doesn't mean that he did well in your league. He still did just as good as 10.5 in standard. Because someone else is going to go off for 30 or 40 points.

 

[fantasycurse42]

I'm in a wonky league, so he actually got me 20 points tonight as my flex.

Please explain how that was possible.

2 points per reception, 5 rushing/receiving yards per point. Crazy, huh?

That's great, but that's like saying I can get 2000 pesos for $2, so I'm rich20 points in your league isn't much because all RBs are subject to the same scoring. So your 20 points are actually equivalent to ~10 points in standard PPR leagues, which is alright for a flex fill in, but leaves a lot to be desired.

Mike James scoring 20 points sounds great, but when you consider 30 points is a "good" score for a rb in your league, 20 looks less exciting

Well it's not great by any means, but it's a 12-teamer where we start 3 RB's plus a flex, so I can live with what James got me. Should've said that earlier, sorry.

No it's just you kind of boasted that he got you 20 points. Comparing apples to oranges.

In standard PPR he got 10.5 points. I'm sure a lot of people were happy with that considering a lot of things. However, if your league inflates receptions and yards, and he got 20 points, that doesn't mean that he did well in your league. He still did just as good as 10.5 in standard. Because someone else is going to go off for 30 or 40 points.

J Charles prob averaging 80-100 a week in this format

 

[doyler]

I'm in a wonky league, so he actually got me 20 points tonight as my flex.

Please explain how that was possible.

2 points per reception, 5 rushing/receiving yards per point. Crazy, huh?

That's great, but that's like saying I can get 2000 pesos for $2, so I'm rich20 points in your league isn't much because all RBs are subject to the same scoring. So your 20 points are actually equivalent to ~10 points in standard PPR leagues, which is alright for a flex fill in, but leaves a lot to be desired.

Mike James scoring 20 points sounds great, but when you consider 30 points is a "good" score for a rb in your league, 20 looks less exciting

Well it's not great by any means, but it's a 12-teamer where we start 3 RB's plus a flex, so I can live with what James got me. Should've said that earlier, sorry.

No it's just you kind of boasted that he got you 20 points. Comparing apples to oranges.

In standard PPR he got 10.5 points. I'm sure a lot of people were happy with that considering a lot of things. However, if your league inflates receptions and yards, and he got 20 points, that doesn't mean that he did well in your league. He still did just as good as 10.5 in standard. Because someone else is going to go off for 30 or 40 points.

J Charles prob averaging 80-100 a week in this format

42.8 actually, assuming ONLY 6 points per TD and no bonuses

 

[fantasycurse42]

I'm in a wonky league, so he actually got me 20 points tonight as my flex.

Please explain how that was possible.

2 points per reception, 5 rushing/receiving yards per point. Crazy, huh?

That's great, but that's like saying I can get 2000 pesos for $2, so I'm rich20 points in your league isn't much because all RBs are subject to the same scoring. So your 20 points are actually equivalent to ~10 points in standard PPR leagues, which is alright for a flex fill in, but leaves a lot to be desired.

Mike James scoring 20 points sounds great, but when you consider 30 points is a "good" score for a rb in your league, 20 looks less exciting

Well it's not great by any means, but it's a 12-teamer where we start 3 RB's plus a flex, so I can live with what James got me. Should've said that earlier, sorry.

No it's just you kind of boasted that he got you 20 points. Comparing apples to oranges.

In standard PPR he got 10.5 points. I'm sure a lot of people were happy with that considering a lot of things. However, if your league inflates receptions and yards, and he got 20 points, that doesn't mean that he did well in your league. He still did just as good as 10.5 in standard. Because someone else is going to go off for 30 or 40 points.

J Charles prob averaging 80-100 a week in this format

42.8 actually, assuming ONLY 6 points per TD and no bonuses

You're getting 2 points a reception, TDs have to be worth at least 12, maybe even 18.

 

[Interseptopus]

I'm in a wonky league, so he actually got me 20 points tonight as my flex.

Please explain how that was possible.

2 points per reception, 5 rushing/receiving yards per point. Crazy, huh?

That's great, but that's like saying I can get 2000 pesos for $2, so I'm rich20 points in your league isn't much because all RBs are subject to the same scoring. So your 20 points are actually equivalent to ~10 points in standard PPR leagues, which is alright for a flex fill in, but leaves a lot to be desired.

Mike James scoring 20 points sounds great, but when you consider 30 points is a "good" score for a rb in your league, 20 looks less exciting

Well it's not great by any means, but it's a 12-teamer where we start 3 RB's plus a flex, so I can live with what James got me. Should've said that earlier, sorry.

No it's just you kind of boasted that he got you 20 points. Comparing apples to oranges.

In standard PPR he got 10.5 points. I'm sure a lot of people were happy with that considering a lot of things. However, if your league inflates receptions and yards, and he got 20 points, that doesn't mean that he did well in your league. He still did just as good as 10.5 in standard. Because someone else is going to go off for 30 or 40 points.

J Charles prob averaging 80-100 a week in this format

42.8 actually, assuming ONLY 6 points per TD and no bonuses

You're getting 2 points a reception, TDs have to be worth at least 12, maybe even 18.

True

Lost fumbles must be like -5 though....

 

[fantasycurse42]

I'm in a wonky league, so he actually got me 20 points tonight as my flex.

Please explain how that was possible.

2 points per reception, 5 rushing/receiving yards per point. Crazy, huh?

That's great, but that's like saying I can get 2000 pesos for $2, so I'm rich20 points in your league isn't much because all RBs are subject to the same scoring. So your 20 points are actually equivalent to ~10 points in standard PPR leagues, which is alright for a flex fill in, but leaves a lot to be desired.

Mike James scoring 20 points sounds great, but when you consider 30 points is a "good" score for a rb in your league, 20 looks less exciting

Well it's not great by any means, but it's a 12-teamer where we start 3 RB's plus a flex, so I can live with what James got me. Should've said that earlier, sorry.

No it's just you kind of boasted that he got you 20 points. Comparing apples to oranges.

In standard PPR he got 10.5 points. I'm sure a lot of people were happy with that considering a lot of things. However, if your league inflates receptions and yards, and he got 20 points, that doesn't mean that he did well in your league. He still did just as good as 10.5 in standard. Because someone else is going to go off for 30 or 40 points.

J Charles prob averaging 80-100 a week in this format

42.8 actually, assuming ONLY 6 points per TD and no bonuses

You're getting 2 points a reception, TDs have to be worth at least 12, maybe even 18.

True

Lost fumbles must be like -5 though....

I wonder if they have a long TD bonus, like 40 points for 40 yds?

 

[ragnarok628]

 

[BlueBlazer05]

I'm in a wonky league, so he actually got me 20 points tonight as my flex.

Please explain how that was possible.

2 points per reception, 5 rushing/receiving yards per point. Crazy, huh?

That's great, but that's like saying I can get 2000 pesos for $2, so I'm rich20 points in your league isn't much because all RBs are subject to the same scoring. So your 20 points are actually equivalent to ~10 points in standard PPR leagues, which is alright for a flex fill in, but leaves a lot to be desired.

Mike James scoring 20 points sounds great, but when you consider 30 points is a "good" score for a rb in your league, 20 looks less exciting

Well it's not great by any means, but it's a 12-teamer where we start 3 RB's plus a flex, so I can live with what James got me. Should've said that earlier, sorry.

No it's just you kind of boasted that he got you 20 points. Comparing apples to oranges.

In standard PPR he got 10.5 points. I'm sure a lot of people were happy with that considering a lot of things. However, if your league inflates receptions and yards, and he got 20 points, that doesn't mean that he did well in your league. He still did just as good as 10.5 in standard. Because someone else is going to go off for 30 or 40 points.

J Charles prob averaging 80-100 a week in this format

Funny you should mention him, he's my RB1. Also, for comparison's sake, my opponent this week had LaFell at flex and he only got 10 points out of him.

 

[atcdav]

"All in" is a silly statement to make. TB is a team struggling in a major way with a very average at best QB, o-line sucks, coach sucks, maybe lost the team. James could be ok for bye week and flex but to a lesser extent than Stacy and Ellington and Ivory