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Going into week 5 Best has 5 TDs (1 Viewer)
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scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Uh, I'm going to say most likely no. You may have the 2nd coming of Jammal Charles if those are his numbers. No turf toe = No problem!
Will I sell for the "right price". Yes. But I doubt I'd get what I want because of perceptions due to what happened last year.
Will I sell for the "right price". Yes. But I doubt I'd get what I want because of perceptions due to what happened last year.
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Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
nope...I think there is a chance we could be talking about him as a top 5 pick in the very near future....
The point is, he had 5 touchdowns going into week 3 last year and The Shark Pool was full of threads asking this very question and the overwhelming answer was sell high immediatelly. I ignored them because I think Best is a very solid NFL talent. I happened to be wrong last year, but im still convinced hes got what it takes. Was just curious if the Shark Pools overall opinion of him has changed.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Obviously the answer to this question is "it depends." Sure, you sell him if you're getting great value in a trade.
It's clearly pointless to sell him low though if you're worried about injury. If you've drafted Best, or already own him in a dynasty/keeper, then you were willing to take on the "injury risk," and taking that risk has paid off for you. Why trade him for less than what he's worth if he's scored 5 times in the first 5 games? If you're a risk averse person then why did you draft Best in the first place?
Jahvid Best showed the explosiveness that he's capable of in week 2 against Philadelphia. He got hurt in week 3 against a tough run defense, and was never really the same.
It seems like every Lions position player comes with the caveat of "if he stays healthy." There's a good chance this will be the last season where you can get Jahvid Best or Matthew Stafford at a discount for that phrase.
It's clearly pointless to sell him low though if you're worried about injury. If you've drafted Best, or already own him in a dynasty/keeper, then you were willing to take on the "injury risk," and taking that risk has paid off for you. Why trade him for less than what he's worth if he's scored 5 times in the first 5 games? If you're a risk averse person then why did you draft Best in the first place?
Jahvid Best showed the explosiveness that he's capable of in week 2 against Philadelphia. He got hurt in week 3 against a tough run defense, and was never really the same.
It seems like every Lions position player comes with the caveat of "if he stays healthy." There's a good chance this will be the last season where you can get Jahvid Best or Matthew Stafford at a discount for that phrase.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
As some one that is a beleiver in him, it would take a great offer.
Sweet Love
IBL Representative
Obviously, it "depends" on LeShoure's involvement. He was not THAT high of a pick in the first place, and even a higher pick (think Spiller) did nothing to dethrone a much lesser back (in jackson than Best). How quickly we forget that Best was the first rounder (just one short year ago) and Leshoure was the second rounder (in 2011).
This is irrelevant to the question. Best has 5 touchdowns in 4 games. Leshore is alive somewhere playing football, but has obviously not affected Bests production.It wouldnt be hypothetical if I told you the exact circumstances of the NFL the Lions and of the Best/Leshore backfield.
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adrenaline
Footballguy
I would trade him now before he doesn't have 5 TDs in 4 weeks.
Wyld Stallyns
Footballguy
For some added perspective, said touchdowns would be against:
Wk1: @TB
Wk2: vs.KC
Wk3: @Min
Wk4: @Dal
Wk5: vs.CHI
Wk1: @TB
Wk2: vs.KC
Wk3: @Min
Wk4: @Dal
Wk5: vs.CHI
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Looks like a breeze. 4 out of 5 games on super quick tracks there.
Decent showing in the first 4 weeks, going into their toughest match-up in week 5. Their schedule doesn't particularly get easier.week 6- vs. San Fransico week 7- vs. Atlanta Falcons week 8- @ Denver Broncos week 9- BYEweek 10- @ Chicago Bears week 11- vs. Carolina Panthers week 12- vs. Green Bay Packers week 13- @ New Orleans Saints week 14- vs. Minnesota Vikings week 15- @ Oakland Raiders week 16- vs. San Diego Chargers week 17- @ Green Bay Packers
No, it's not irrelevant.
It is, if best has 5 touchdowns, it clearly is irrelevant.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
No one knows exactly how the Best scenario is going to play out. I hold a minority point of view in that Best will get most of the carries at the beginning of the season and will miss games where Leshoure excels as the primary back. When Best comes back from injury, will he retain "most" of the snaps? I believe that at some point in the season, Leshoure will take the primary % of snaps and not look back. If you look at the Shonn Greene/LT split last year, it is bad news when the smaller back is the "primary" back. The bigger back only comes in during "ground and pound" and this makes it easy on defensive play calling. Alternatively, if your big back is your primary back in a balanced attack, defenses will not stack the line. Best should be in on all 2 minute drills, 3rd and longs, long field position situations, change-up situations, etc but I do not think the Lions should depend on him as the #1.If you are looking for fantasy value, draft both this year. Sell Best early at high value, hold Leshoure.
Arizona Ron
Footballguy
Is Best leading the Hype Train this year?
Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
I think it's completely opposite because nobody knows what to expect.You can't really deny his talent and explosiveness, it comes down to how we think he will be used and there are reasons why that is a question right now.1. The "injury" (which he played through most of the year) wasn't a blown knee or something. It was a nagging injury that didn't ever really have time to heal by nature of the NFL season. 2. He showed his talent explosiveness when he was healthy. Top 5 kind of stuff. The nagging injury however was almost the worst kind for him as it kind of zapped his quickness and explosiveness which is what his game is about.3. He also showed some toughness and played through what to my understanding can be a very painful injury.4. Stafford going down also made the picture a little more fuzzy because in many ways we don't know what to really expect of this offense heading forward. We really haven't seen all the pieces together for an extended period of time. One would think this offense is LOADED and that Best is in a great postion to be a part of that. I liked the drafting of Young.5. Leshoure: was he brought in because the front office doesn't think Best can be a primary guy? Or was he just too good to pass up and just another piece added to the puzzle? He does have talent and is more of your prototype NFL every down back so he could challenge.6. While the lack of TD's is a little concerning, even with the injury, Best had 9 games of 12 or more carries and was very involved in the passing game (58/487/2) on 80 targets.Kind of player that could be a HR and lead you to a title, or the kind of guy that you don't know whether to start him or not each week. That's tough when you are deciding to hold or trade in dynasty or spend a top 4 pick on in redraft. Training camp and preseason games may dictate the answer here. I have a feeling though if he is healthy and busts of some of those explosive plays, his ADP will go up. And at 5'9"/200, it's not like we are talking about a guy who can't handle the load. He has to be more than a "third down back". He was getting right around 20 touches a game for the first 10 weeks of the season.I am concerned about Leshoure's impact and will need to see how he progresses.
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sihaokills
Footballguy
It all depends on how involved Leshoure is
Well, it was meant to be loaded, it was meant to simulate the happenings of last year but more realistically (5 touchdowns over 4 games as opposed to 5 touchdowns over 2 games). Last year the people suggesting sell high were looking for MJD/Rice type value, top 10 RB essentially but outside of the top 3. If I had to assign a value even thought I dont think its important to the question obviously higher then his power ranking you drafted him at, which I believe right now is hovering between RB15-20. I think its more realistic that after 4 games if he has 5 touchdowns his value would be around RB 5-8. So would you trade him for L. Mccoy straight up? How about MJD? What if neither of them have a single rushing touchdown yet? 1? 2?Before his injury last year his value hit probably a career high, was curious how you guys felt if he had somewhat of a repeat.
Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
guess just really need to ask yourself....Can he be the kind of player over the course of an entire season that we saw in the first few games?And if the turf toe(s) issues are behind him does he have the talent and is he in the position to maintain that (or somewhat close, as obviously those games were monsters)?And were the turf toe issues the only reason for his dropoff?If the answer to those questions are all yes, then you are talking about a guy who would have been going in the top 3-5 picks this year. The Leshoure factor would have been minimal. But if the answer to any of those is "no" then the Leshoure factor becomes more significant.
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TopDawg
Footballguy
Better yet, what if through 4 weeks Mikel Leshoure has 5 touchdowns?? And that could be a real possibility!!!
eraclansing
Footballguy
Depends on his yardage per carry average to me. If he is averaging 2 yards per carry like he was last yr. I would sell.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
I realize we aren't headed into week 5 yet, but Jahvid's situation is eerily similar to last season.
He's had two good to great games to start the year and isn't sharing many touches. The Lions look even more explosive, Best looks explosive, and they're headed into Minnesota again for a week 3 matchup.
Are Best owners holding on to the #6 RB (in my league) or are they trying to sell before the "inevitable" injury bug hits as so many expect?
He's had two good to great games to start the year and isn't sharing many touches. The Lions look even more explosive, Best looks explosive, and they're headed into Minnesota again for a week 3 matchup.
Are Best owners holding on to the #6 RB (in my league) or are they trying to sell before the "inevitable" injury bug hits as so many expect?
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
You can't predict injuries and the Lions appear to have a very explosive offense. Even a mediocre back in a powerful offense can be a major fantasy factor.
zoonation
Footballguy
In PPR I'm holding. I just don't see any way this guy doesn't end up a top 10 back in that offense with very little risk of dud weeks throughout the year. He is one of a handful of "feature" backs in the league, but doesn't need to touch it 25 times a game to produce. Add to that the fact that he also appears to be the goalline back and the guy is an absolute steal as an RB2.
I don't play thinking about potential injuries. I know some do, but I don't know who I'd rather have as my RB2 right now than Best.
I don't play thinking about potential injuries. I know some do, but I don't know who I'd rather have as my RB2 right now than Best.
footballnerd
Footballguy
-jb-
Footballguy
They can't seem to run block in any format.
J/K. No, standard scoring.
footballnerd
Footballguy
Gopher State
Footballguy
Grahamburn
Footballguy
He's averaging 108.3 total yards from scrimmage per game so far, and is currently the 8th RB in my league.
His rushing totals have decreased each week, but the receiving yardage has increased. Whether or not the running game is working, Best is going to be involved in the offense.
His rushing totals have decreased each week, but the receiving yardage has increased. Whether or not the running game is working, Best is going to be involved in the offense.
You can't predict them, but if you let me pick 10 "injury-prone" players and 10 "durable" players, I'm guessing that the injury-prone ones get hurt more often than the durable ones.Despite what some people will lead us to believe, there is something to some players being more injury-prone than others. Jahvid Best appears to be one of such players.
Is anyone actually buying? I sure wouldn't. 2.9 ypc and the only time he sniffed paydirt was against the worst team in the league - and it was even in trash time. I supposed he'd have value in PPR, but that is precisely why PPR is a joke...
If you can get decent value, go for it. Maybe you can snag McGahee. He might also have low ypc but at least he is durable
But seriously, maybe an Ingram owner will give him up.
If you can get decent value, go for it. Maybe you can snag McGahee. He might also have low ypc but at least he is durable
But seriously, maybe an Ingram owner will give him up.FarEastKilla
Footballguy
Not only will I sell high, I will double short it afterwards. No way he can keep his 1.25 TD per game! (that's 20 TDs in one season) I would trade him and laugh all the way to the bank.
He's not a good runner and is really bad between the tackles but he catches a ton of balls. Eventually they will get a between the tackles runner and best will play a sproles/Reggie bush type role, but for this season the lions are kind of forced to give him carries as they have no one else.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I own him in a veteran (13th year) 12 team redraft. Nobody overvalues him. He's a hold. Even trying to package him, nobody wants him. They know Detroit can't run block and he's just a change of pace back stuck in a situation with no bell cow around. The Lions can not run the ball inside, and everyone who isn't a guppy knows that.
Lester Long
Footballguy
Best is averaging 12 yards per reception so he is equally as good in PPR as he is in standard. matter of fact he is probably worth more in standard as most RB's only average 7 or 8 yards per reception.And I also think Best is a injury prone player but in no world in a redraft league will the owner of Best trade him for Ingram and if you don't understand this than you should not go around giving advice and/or insight.Is anyone actually buying? I sure wouldn't. 2.9 ypc and the only time he sniffed paydirt was against the worst team in the league - and it was even in trash time. I supposed he'd have value in PPR, but that is precisely why PPR is a joke...If you can get decent value, go for it. Maybe you can snag McGahee. He might also have low ypc but at least he is durable
Lester Long
Footballguy
Are we speaking of some other Best? Rotoworld has him with 2 TD's.EDIT : I get it. IF he has.... my bad
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thatguy
Footballguy
I'd give up McGahee for Best in an instant.Is anyone actually buying? I sure wouldn't. 2.9 ypc and the only time he sniffed paydirt was against the worst team in the league - and it was even in trash time. I supposed he'd have value in PPR, but that is precisely why PPR is a joke...
If you can get decent value, go for it. Maybe you can snag McGahee. He might also have low ypc but at least he is durable
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