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I basically never invite salespeople into my house but at Home Depot the dude from SolarCity convinced me to have an in-home consult this weekend. Apparently there is little or no upfront cost and you can save a decent amount on electricity. Right now we pay $150-$300 a month in electricity so I'm thinking there must be some savings there, even leasing the equipment.

Anybody do this? I think it's mostly just in CA right now. Searching the net everything seems to be legit with SolarCity. One concern I have is that our roof is 20yrs old and clay so it might be a bad idea for them to be up there bolting stuff in. Could cause a leak or make it difficult to repair the roof it it leaks for another reason. Is it better to do this after you get a new roof?

 
If your roof is 20 years old, you should absolutely wait until it is replaced. Clay roofs in particular are more difficult to install solar on. Shame on the SolarCity sales person for trying to sell you this system.

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I basically never invite salespeople into my house but at Home Depot the dude from SolarCity convinced me to have an in-home consult this weekend. Apparently there is little or no upfront cost and you can save a decent amount on electricity. Right now we pay $150-$300 a month in electricity so I'm thinking there must be some savings there, even leasing the equipment.Anybody do this? I think it's mostly just in CA right now. Searching the net everything seems to be legit with SolarCity. One concern I have is that our roof is 20yrs old and clay so it might be a bad idea for them to be up there bolting stuff in. Could cause a leak or make it difficult to repair the roof it it leaks for another reason. Is it better to do this after you get a new roof?
 
Solar installers out here won't install on a roof over 6 years old... I'm researching the savings as well.

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If your roof is 20 years old, you should absolutely wait until it is replaced. Clay roofs in particular are more difficult to install solar on. Shame on the SolarCity sales person for trying to sell you this system.

'17seconds said:
I basically never invite salespeople into my house but at Home Depot the dude from SolarCity convinced me to have an in-home consult this weekend. Apparently there is little or no upfront cost and you can save a decent amount on electricity. Right now we pay $150-$300 a month in electricity so I'm thinking there must be some savings there, even leasing the equipment.Anybody do this? I think it's mostly just in CA right now. Searching the net everything seems to be legit with SolarCity. One concern I have is that our roof is 20yrs old and clay so it might be a bad idea for them to be up there bolting stuff in. Could cause a leak or make it difficult to repair the roof it it leaks for another reason. Is it better to do this after you get a new roof?
Thanks for the headsup. I haven't been sold anything yet, I meant the appt is this weekend 11/10. Just talked to a guy at HD.He did mention that the clay roof is more difficult and may cost more.
 
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You are still connected to the grid, so your house will not lose power even if something happened to the solar panels. If the grid goes down, your solar system would also stop working (this is done for safety reasons). There is a way to install a "throw switch" that would enable your solar system to work independently of the grid, but I don't believe local codes will allow for this to happen (again for safety reasons).

What happens when you lose power?
 
You are still connected to the grid, so your house will not lose power even if something happened to the solar panels. If the grid goes down, your solar system would also stop working (this is done for safety reasons). There is a way to install a "throw switch" that would enable your solar system to work independently of the grid, but I don't believe local codes will allow for this to happen (again for safety reasons).

What happens when you lose power?
What's the safety reason? People will learn they don't need the electric company? Seriously though I have no idea and was hoping you could explain it.
 
You are still connected to the grid, so your house will not lose power even if something happened to the solar panels. If the grid goes down, your solar system would also stop working (this is done for safety reasons). There is a way to install a "throw switch" that would enable your solar system to work independently of the grid, but I don't believe local codes will allow for this to happen (again for safety reasons).

What happens when you lose power?
What's the safety reason? People will learn they don't need the electric company? Seriously though I have no idea and was hoping you could explain it.
If the power goes down, a utility worker could be working on the grid somewhere. If your solar system is sending electricity back up to the grid, that utility worker would be in significant danger. So when solar companies install the panels, they make sure that the solar system will automatically shut down when the grid does go down.
 
Anybody with recent experiences? We're considering it now. What questions do I need to make sure I ask?

I'd like to hear about any positive or negative experiences. I'm in Phoenix if anybody used a local company they liked.

 
Anybody with recent experiences? We're considering it now. What questions do I need to make sure I ask?

I'd like to hear about any positive or negative experiences. I'm in Phoenix if anybody used a local company they liked.
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I have no advice, but I'm thinking of doing this, too. My electric bill is only about $60 a month as it is, though, so I just don't have a lot of motivation.

 
Anybody with recent experiences? We're considering it now. What questions do I need to make sure I ask?

I'd like to hear about any positive or negative experiences. I'm in Phoenix if anybody used a local company they liked.
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A good solar company will be upfront with you on what the local grid will give you in savings and if it's worth it or not. We have a really good solar group here that I used for solar roof venting fans. They flat out told me that hooking up to the local power grid could be done, but the "rebate" made it worthless. It'd take the better part of two decades to have the system pay for itself. Conversely, if I lived in Charlotte, Duke Power makes it worth your while to hook up and could pay for it in 5 - 7 years. That's the real discussion I'd be having and you might need to talk to your power company to verify what the solar company is saying.

 
We just had solar panels installed on our roof of a new house and they were turned on in January. The local city/state and utilities have a big influence on how cost effective it is. In Austin, the city has had some very aggressive rebates but they are slowly reducing them each year. Our system cost just under $20,000 and Austin Energy had a rebate good for 50%. Then you get another 30% federal tax credit. We did a 12 month interest free loan to get the tax return. Cost to us was $6500. Our system has a total of 26 panels at 260 watts for a total of a 6.76 kW system. Our energy bill has dropped from $130 to under $10. In the summer, when the ac kicks in we are hoping for about 50% to be produced by solar. Also the billing method will vary by your location. I think the two most common ones are net metering and cost of solar. Net Metering is where you are billed for the net difference of the power you get from the grid and what you produce with the panels. Austin uses a "cost of solar" method. You get billed for the total amount of power you used and then you get a credit for the solar production. This allows you to pay the normal fees and taxes that help support the grid infrastructure that are outside of the actual electricity rates. The cost of solar is a complex algorithm calculated each year, but 75% of it is based on estimated future cost of natural gas. Apparently they can arbitrarily modify this each year instead of going thru an electricity rate adjustment process that usually takes a few years.

There are a lot of things to consider:

Age of roof needs to be rather new (maybe less than 5 years) or most companies won't install on it.

Need mostly sun, ideally no shade at all, on your roof with the panels facing south, southeast or southwest (in the northern hemishphere). West might work also with the amount of power produced being limited for a full day. Pitch of the roof should be ideally close to the latitude of your location. Any shade on the panels can significantly affect the power production (see inverters below).

An inverter is required to convert the DC power from the panels to AC. I think two of the more common inverter companies are Aurora and SMA Sunnyboy. Usually you will have one inverter for the system. If you have any shade, you can get micro-inverters on each panel. The micro inverters will allow each panel to produce the maximum power. If you use a single inverter and have any shade on a panel/panels, the entire sytem drops production to the lowest producing panel. Any solar power you produce is directed to the immediate needs of your home. Any extra power produced over what your home needs "right now" is directed to the grid and available to the utility.

Poly crystalline or mono crystalline panels. Mono panels are the more mature manufacturing process where the silicon is grown from a single crystal. Poly panels are a less expensive, newer process that grows the silicon from multiple crystals. I think the actual power production of each are very similar now. Probably the biggest difference is the poly panels will have a blue color to them and the mono panels are black. If you, or your HOA if you have one, are concerned with the aethetics (panels will be seen from the front or side of the house) you may want to go with the mono panels. Also both come in a black on black frame that eliminates the silver grid that are common to the panels. If you have seen any small solar panels along the road powering a sign or cross walk signal, they are usually the blue poly panels.

Most panels are probably around 15% efficient. Sun Power produces some of the most efficient panels (in the low 20%) but they are very expensive and usually don't make sense financially. Where they help is if you have a limited amount of roof space.

The "name" rating (in watts) of the panels is based on some standard lighting/temperature conditions. You want to look at the PTC rating which was developed at UC Davis and is a more realistic estimate of the power the panels will produce. Our panels had a STC rating of 260 watts and a PTC rating of 233 watts. On a perfect sunny day they produce about 43 kWh of power and we are using about 20-30 kWh hours in a 24 hour period.

The panels wear out. The industry standard is panels will keep 90% of their capacity within 10 years and 80% within 25 years. The panels are estimated to reduce about .5% per year. Also the inverters are expected to be replaced after about 12-17 years. They are around $2,000-$2,500, depending on the size of your system. Some inverters now come with a receptacle that you can plug an extension cord into if you lose power from the grid and your panels are still producing energy. Not sure how effective this really is in practice.

There are hundreds and hundreds of panels to choose from but you may be limited on what each installer uses. You need to look at the financial viability of the company also as many go out of business. Many installers or panel companies have re-insurance policies to "protect you" if a company goes out of business. Many Chinese panels are very inexpensive but there have been a few bankruptcies. And yesterday, there was a warning from China that they expect a lot of bankruptcies in general across China in the next few years. Here is one list of recent panel companies that are no longer in business:

http://www.indianadg.net/gtm-updated-list-of-bankrupt-solar-companies-what-is-the-formula-for-success-for-solar-companies/

They seem to have good construction to prevent damage due to hail (or weight of snow). It helps that they are usually at about a 35-45 degree tilt so any hail hitting it is a "glancing" blow and there are some industry warranty standards against hail damage. Since they are attached to your home, most insurance companies probably cover it, but you may want to adjust your total $ coverage in case you had a catastrophic loss to your home. I have seen virtually nothing about reports of storm damage on the web but I imagine it happens.

Trying to do an off-grid system is very expensive due to the cost of batteries and many utilities won't allow it. So this is probably not an option unless you are in a more secluded area.

You want to get a company that is concerned with a good engineering design, good products (panels, inverter, mounting system) and good installation. Many "solar" companies in Austin are just roofing companies that sub contract everything out. We ended up going with a company called Circular Energy which I believe is limited to Texas.

Look at other installations your company has done and the type of roof mounting system they use. We looked at one house where the panels were not lined up properly. They should fit snug, not sag and all be on the same plane.

It helps to have a year's history of your energy bills to estimate the real savings. Generally, I think most people go for a system that provides 50-80% of their annual energy.

There seems to be quite a bit of hype around how much value solar panels add to your home. There are formulas based on the amount of your energy savings but it probably is more like the value of a pool. Some people will be attracted to it and some people will be turned off by it. It seems the younger generation starting to buy their first of second home is more interested in it.

There is a website called PWATTS that is used to estimate power production. It is based on about 20 years of local weather records and has variables for things like size of system, inverter efficiency, tilt and direction of panels, amount of sun you get locally, etc...It will give you a monthly estimate of your power production. These results will probably be used by companies in quotes you receive. Be sure you know if your quote is based on the DC or AC rating of your system. The AC rating will probably be about 90% less. Most companies will probably go with the default settings but some will jack up the inverter efficiency from the default 75% to give you a higher power production estimate. Be aware of what they are using when you are comparing quotes. You can play with the setting to get a better comparison.

http://www.nrel.gov/rredc/pvwatts/grid.html

There is a lot of links/forums on the web. This is one forum that may be helpful:

http://www.solarpaneltalk.com/forum.php?s=4d9a88d719a0c894c3d79a76ecfec7b3

Hope this all helps.

 
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I have no advice, but I'm thinking of doing this, too. My electric bill is only about $60 a month as it is, though, so I just don't have a lot of motivation.
Lucky you. I just moved into a new house, and over the winter (heat pumps) we were well over $200 a month. I'm slowly picking all the "low hanging fruit" like changing to LED lights, tweaking the 80 gallon electric water heater, additional insulation....but it's still going to be a large bill each month. Installing panels on the back side of my roof would make them nearly invisible and they'd get a lot of direct sunlight. Very interested in doing this, but curious as to the upfront cost.

 
You are still connected to the grid, so your house will not lose power even if something happened to the solar panels. If the grid goes down, your solar system would also stop working (this is done for safety reasons). There is a way to install a "throw switch" that would enable your solar system to work independently of the grid, but I don't believe local codes will allow for this to happen (again for safety reasons).

What happens when you lose power?
What's the safety reason? People will learn they don't need the electric company? Seriously though I have no idea and was hoping you could explain it.
If the power goes down, a utility worker could be working on the grid somewhere. If your solar system is sending electricity back up to the grid, that utility worker would be in significant danger. So when solar companies install the panels, they make sure that the solar system will automatically shut down when the grid does go down.
That used to be the case, but ours has a switch that stops sending the power back to the grid, and kicks on an outlet we have outside. We'd then run an extension cord to power only a few things, such as the refrigerator and maybe a light or two in our family room. And, obviously, our TV/DirecTV box.

Our inverter that has the switch is an SMA SB3000 inverter.

 
I have no advice, but I'm thinking of doing this, too. My electric bill is only about $60 a month as it is, though, so I just don't have a lot of motivation.
Lucky you. I just moved into a new house, and over the winter (heat pumps) we were well over $200 a month. I'm slowly picking all the "low hanging fruit" like changing to LED lights, tweaking the 80 gallon electric water heater, additional insulation....but it's still going to be a large bill each month. Installing panels on the back side of my roof would make them nearly invisible and they'd get a lot of direct sunlight. Very interested in doing this, but curious as to the upfront cost.
Yeah, we moved into a new house last year. Gas heat, which lowers the electric bill to about $35 in the winter, fall, and spring, and the air brings it up to about $80-$90 in the summer.

We have pretty amazing energy efficiency in the home, which is why we bought the place. All windows are double pane, double hung, all appliances energy efficient, spray foam insulation all over.

Our last place was about $175 a month on average and slightly smaller.

 
I'm surprised solar isn't standard in the southern states. When its 90+ for like half the year and you're cranking the ac, you'd save a fortune.

 
Had a guy out today. 20 year lease. 2.9% start at $150 month slowly climbs to $224 a month by year 20. O out of pocket.

My electric bill averages $250 so seems like it would save me money. Just not sure about a 20 year lease.

 
Had a guy out today. 20 year lease. 2.9% start at $150 month slowly climbs to $224 a month by year 20. O out of pocket.

My electric bill averages $250 so seems like it would save me money. Just not sure about a 20 year lease.
How much of your use would the system offset?

Be careful with the lease. There seems to be some positives (system maintained by someone else, no upfront cost, etc.), but imo are outweighed by the negatives (savings are paltry compared to ownership). They generally will use an energy cost escalator that is higher than the industry standard to give the illusion that their savings are higher.

My analyses is from CT, though, where we have a state rebate in addition to the federal tax credit. In areas where a city or state rebate is not available, they may be a better option.

 
Any worries about issues like the power companies fighting back (might not be the correct term for this) like they are doing in Hawaii? http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/a-solar-boom-so-successfull-its-been-halted/

I can imagine that as a business model, electric companies are not happy with others doing their job and are in a self preservation mode and it can and will only get worse in the future as these panels get cheaper and improve.
I have to say, if this is the problem and people are adding more to the grid than the grid can handle, it's probably safe to assume they are generating enough solar to sustain themselves and be completely off grid. The reason folks hook to a grid now is because they live in areas where solar may not be enough by itself to sustain the house, so on those days they don't have enough, they pull from local electric. That doesn't seem to be a problem for these folks. If I were them, I'd be completely unhooking myself from their grid. I'd be interested to see the electric company's reaction to that move :)

 
The price per watt of solar is continuing to fall A LOT year over year. Personally, I'd wait until it levels off some before making the switch. Lets say today you can make the switch and it saves you 10% over the next 20 years. If you wait say 3 years, the install cost and the cost the panels will likely be 50% of what they cost today, and also they'll be more efficent. If I'm nailing something to my roof for the next 2 decades, I don't want to feel like its extremely outdated in 5 years. I'm not sure when it will be the ideal time to make the switch, but I'm reasonable confident in saying, "not yet".

 
Any worries about issues like the power companies fighting back (might not be the correct term for this) like they are doing in Hawaii? http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/a-solar-boom-so-successfull-its-been-halted/

I can imagine that as a business model, electric companies are not happy with others doing their job and are in a self preservation mode and it can and will only get worse in the future as these panels get cheaper and improve.
I have to say, if this is the problem and people are adding more to the grid than the grid can handle, it's probably safe to assume they are generating enough solar to sustain themselves and be completely off grid. The reason folks hook to a grid now is because they live in areas where solar may not be enough by itself to sustain the house, so on those days they don't have enough, they pull from local electric. That doesn't seem to be a problem for these folks. If I were them, I'd be completely unhooking myself from their grid. I'd be interested to see the electric company's reaction to that move :)
I believe that the reason that more people do not do this is that it is very cost prohibitive to store the unused power so that you can keep things running at night and on overcast days. If you think about how much it costs for the battery packs for an electric car and how few years that they last, this is not in the realm just yet.

However, I wonder what would happen if an entire subdivision was built with solar in a spot like Arizona and did build a centralized storage center for nighttime usage etc. Now with that cost spread over multiple families it might be something that could work.

 
Any worries about issues like the power companies fighting back (might not be the correct term for this) like they are doing in Hawaii? http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/a-solar-boom-so-successfull-its-been-halted/

I can imagine that as a business model, electric companies are not happy with others doing their job and are in a self preservation mode and it can and will only get worse in the future as these panels get cheaper and improve.
I have to say, if this is the problem and people are adding more to the grid than the grid can handle, it's probably safe to assume they are generating enough solar to sustain themselves and be completely off grid. The reason folks hook to a grid now is because they live in areas where solar may not be enough by itself to sustain the house, so on those days they don't have enough, they pull from local electric. That doesn't seem to be a problem for these folks. If I were them, I'd be completely unhooking myself from their grid. I'd be interested to see the electric company's reaction to that move :)
I believe that the reason that more people do not do this is that it is very cost prohibitive to store the unused power so that you can keep things running at night and on overcast days. If you think about how much it costs for the battery packs for an electric car and how few years that they last, this is not in the realm just yet.

However, I wonder what would happen if an entire subdivision was built with solar in a spot like Arizona and did build a centralized storage center for nighttime usage etc. Now with that cost spread over multiple families it might be something that could work.
Yeah, there's no question that storage is still an issue, not only from a cost perspective, but from an aesthetics perspective also.

 
Any worries about issues like the power companies fighting back (might not be the correct term for this) like they are doing in Hawaii? http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/a-solar-boom-so-successfull-its-been-halted/

I can imagine that as a business model, electric companies are not happy with others doing their job and are in a self preservation mode and it can and will only get worse in the future as these panels get cheaper and improve.
I worry about this too. I have plenty of space to throw up some panels. Maybe not enough to do the whole house, but it would make a damn big dent.

 
Had a guy out today. 20 year lease. 2.9% start at $150 month slowly climbs to $224 a month by year 20. O out of pocket.

My electric bill averages $250 so seems like it would save me money. Just not sure about a 20 year lease.
Would your electric bill go completely away? Also, as mentioned before, lots of these companies go under. What happens if they do? Does someone come to your house and take the panels off?

I've thought about this, not seriously yet because aesthetics is important to my wife, but because we get a ton of sun, especially in the back of my house.

 
How efficent are these things if put on a slightly graded north facing roof line? Do they have to be south facing?

 
Had a guy out today. 20 year lease. 2.9% start at $150 month slowly climbs to $224 a month by year 20. O out of pocket.

My electric bill averages $250 so seems like it would save me money. Just not sure about a 20 year lease.
Would your electric bill go completely away? Also, as mentioned before, lots of these companies go under. What happens if they do? Does someone come to your house and take the panels off?

I've thought about this, not seriously yet because aesthetics is important to my wife, but because we get a ton of sun, especially in the back of my house.
If I were you stbugs, I'd call Greenspring Energy. They aren't going anywhere. They came and helped me here in Rock Hill with some solar fans and we've begun talking about a solution for our huge jacuzzi tub in our bathroom.

 
I'm surprised solar isn't standard in the southern states. When its 90+ for like half the year and you're cranking the ac, you'd save a fortune.
It isn't efficient in the Southeast. There is too much cloud cover and too many trees for it to be a money saver (depending on local government subsidies). The Southwest has fewer trees and clouds so it is more likely to be a break-even proposition.

We looked into it in "07 and '08 and it would have been a bad deal financially for us (South Louisiana). The people I know who have done it here are generally not that happy with it although a few did it for environmental reasons more than economic. When we need a new roof in a few years we will look into it again, but I don't think it will be worth it unless the subsidies go way up or the cost goes way down.

 
I'm surprised solar isn't standard in the southern states. When its 90+ for like half the year and you're cranking the ac, you'd save a fortune.
It isn't efficient in the Southeast. There is too much cloud cover and too many trees for it to be a money saver (depending on local government subsidies). The Southwest has fewer trees and clouds so it is more likely to be a break-even proposition.

We looked into it in "07 and '08 and it would have been a bad deal financially for us (South Louisiana). The people I know who have done it here are generally not that happy with it although a few did it for environmental reasons more than economic. When we need a new roof in a few years we will look into it again, but I don't think it will be worth it unless the subsidies go way up or the cost goes way down.
Power companies are the other component in this. For me, I live just a few miles outside of North Carolina. It makes absolute sense to do it if I lived in Charlotte, but it makes no sense living just a few miles south of Charlotte and it's all because the power company makes it worth their while in Charlotte, not so much where I live.

 
Any worries about issues like the power companies fighting back (might not be the correct term for this) like they are doing in Hawaii? http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/a-solar-boom-so-successfull-its-been-halted/

I can imagine that as a business model, electric companies are not happy with others doing their job and are in a self preservation mode and it can and will only get worse in the future as these panels get cheaper and improve.
I have to say, if this is the problem and people are adding more to the grid than the grid can handle, it's probably safe to assume they are generating enough solar to sustain themselves and be completely off grid. The reason folks hook to a grid now is because they live in areas where solar may not be enough by itself to sustain the house, so on those days they don't have enough, they pull from local electric. That doesn't seem to be a problem for these folks. If I were them, I'd be completely unhooking myself from their grid. I'd be interested to see the electric company's reaction to that move :)
The electric company would laugh at you, and within weeks you would be calling them to set up a reconnect.

 
I basically never invite salespeople into my house but at Home Depot the dude from SolarCity convinced me to have an in-home consult this weekend. Apparently there is little or no upfront cost and you can save a decent amount on electricity. Right now we pay $150-$300 a month in electricity so I'm thinking there must be some savings there, even leasing the equipment.

Anybody do this? I think it's mostly just in CA right now. Searching the net everything seems to be legit with SolarCity. One concern I have is that our roof is 20yrs old and clay so it might be a bad idea for them to be up there bolting stuff in. Could cause a leak or make it difficult to repair the roof it it leaks for another reason. Is it better to do this after you get a new roof?
I assume you are currently with SDG&E? I can look into the programs they have that would benefit you if you decide to go solar, if you are interested.

 
Any worries about issues like the power companies fighting back (might not be the correct term for this) like they are doing in Hawaii? http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/a-solar-boom-so-successfull-its-been-halted/

I can imagine that as a business model, electric companies are not happy with others doing their job and are in a self preservation mode and it can and will only get worse in the future as these panels get cheaper and improve.
I have to say, if this is the problem and people are adding more to the grid than the grid can handle, it's probably safe to assume they are generating enough solar to sustain themselves and be completely off grid. The reason folks hook to a grid now is because they live in areas where solar may not be enough by itself to sustain the house, so on those days they don't have enough, they pull from local electric. That doesn't seem to be a problem for these folks. If I were them, I'd be completely unhooking myself from their grid. I'd be interested to see the electric company's reaction to that move :)
The electric company would laugh at you, and within weeks you would be calling them to set up a reconnect.
So it's not just political threads that you don't read others' posts, it's all of them? I know folks here in the south east who are completely off the grid and are powered by solar and wind. Yes, both couples have pretty ugly storage solutions on their property, but they aren't reliant on the grid for anything. If it can be done here, I'm pretty confident it can be done in Hawaii. :shrug:

 
Any worries about issues like the power companies fighting back (might not be the correct term for this) like they are doing in Hawaii? http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/a-solar-boom-so-successfull-its-been-halted/

I can imagine that as a business model, electric companies are not happy with others doing their job and are in a self preservation mode and it can and will only get worse in the future as these panels get cheaper and improve.
I have to say, if this is the problem and people are adding more to the grid than the grid can handle, it's probably safe to assume they are generating enough solar to sustain themselves and be completely off grid. The reason folks hook to a grid now is because they live in areas where solar may not be enough by itself to sustain the house, so on those days they don't have enough, they pull from local electric. That doesn't seem to be a problem for these folks. If I were them, I'd be completely unhooking myself from their grid. I'd be interested to see the electric company's reaction to that move :)
The electric company would laugh at you, and within weeks you would be calling them to set up a reconnect.
So it's not just political threads that you don't read others' posts, it's all of them? I know folks here in the south east who are completely off the grid and are powered by solar and wind. Yes, both couples have pretty ugly storage solutions on their property, but they aren't reliant on the grid for anything. If it can be done here, I'm pretty confident it can be done in Hawaii. :shrug:
Of course it can be done if one is willing to face the reliability issues. 99.99% of us aren't.

 
Any worries about issues like the power companies fighting back (might not be the correct term for this) like they are doing in Hawaii? http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/a-solar-boom-so-successfull-its-been-halted/

I can imagine that as a business model, electric companies are not happy with others doing their job and are in a self preservation mode and it can and will only get worse in the future as these panels get cheaper and improve.
I have to say, if this is the problem and people are adding more to the grid than the grid can handle, it's probably safe to assume they are generating enough solar to sustain themselves and be completely off grid. The reason folks hook to a grid now is because they live in areas where solar may not be enough by itself to sustain the house, so on those days they don't have enough, they pull from local electric. That doesn't seem to be a problem for these folks. If I were them, I'd be completely unhooking myself from their grid. I'd be interested to see the electric company's reaction to that move :)
The electric company would laugh at you, and within weeks you would be calling them to set up a reconnect.
So it's not just political threads that you don't read others' posts, it's all of them? I know folks here in the south east who are completely off the grid and are powered by solar and wind. Yes, both couples have pretty ugly storage solutions on their property, but they aren't reliant on the grid for anything. If it can be done here, I'm pretty confident it can be done in Hawaii. :shrug:
Of course it can be done if one is willing to face the reliability issues. 99.99% of us aren't.
Well, now that the goal posts have been shifted....what are the "reliability issues" you refer to? Not sunny every day?

 
The price per watt of solar is continuing to fall A LOT year over year. Personally, I'd wait until it levels off some before making the switch. Lets say today you can make the switch and it saves you 10% over the next 20 years. If you wait say 3 years, the install cost and the cost the panels will likely be 50% of what they cost today, and also they'll be more efficent. If I'm nailing something to my roof for the next 2 decades, I don't want to feel like its extremely outdated in 5 years. I'm not sure when it will be the ideal time to make the switch, but I'm reasonable confident in saying, "not yet".
Might as well wait for home fuel cells.

http://qz.com/117892/fuel-cells-are-ready-for-us-military-use-and-might-be-in-your-home-in-a-year/

 
The price per watt of solar is continuing to fall A LOT year over year. Personally, I'd wait until it levels off some before making the switch. Lets say today you can make the switch and it saves you 10% over the next 20 years. If you wait say 3 years, the install cost and the cost the panels will likely be 50% of what they cost today, and also they'll be more efficent. If I'm nailing something to my roof for the next 2 decades, I don't want to feel like its extremely outdated in 5 years. I'm not sure when it will be the ideal time to make the switch, but I'm reasonable confident in saying, "not yet".
Might as well wait for home fuel cells.

http://qz.com/117892/fuel-cells-are-ready-for-us-military-use-and-might-be-in-your-home-in-a-year/
Sounds like it'll be more than a year for residential use, but it might make some sense.

I still think eventually we'll end up using solar almost exclusively... there is plenty of sunlight to power everything many times over... its just a matter of getting better at capturing it, and much better at storing it.

 
The price per watt of solar is continuing to fall A LOT year over year. Personally, I'd wait until it levels off some before making the switch. Lets say today you can make the switch and it saves you 10% over the next 20 years. If you wait say 3 years, the install cost and the cost the panels will likely be 50% of what they cost today, and also they'll be more efficent. If I'm nailing something to my roof for the next 2 decades, I don't want to feel like its extremely outdated in 5 years. I'm not sure when it will be the ideal time to make the switch, but I'm reasonable confident in saying, "not yet".
If you have subsidies available, they drop as the price per watt drops (as they should). It's going to be a moving target for many years. If you can get the payback down to 7 years or less, I think it is a no brainer to install. If the technology gets a tremendous breakthrough in 7 years, upgrade.

 
How efficent are these things if put on a slightly graded north facing roof line? Do they have to be south facing?
You're in the northern hemisphere, so the son's coming from a southerly direction. You'd be reducing the panels' effectiveness if you're pointing them north. :shrug:

 
So he told me I would be paying my power company $18 a month for electricity. Keeping me in tier 1 or 2. I think it would save me money just not sure I want to use the tax credit at this time or wait to get solar later or a different house down the line.

 

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