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good article on julius jones (1 Viewer)
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If the Cowboys get an offer similar to the one mentioned in the article, they should take it. Jones is an average running back. He can make the big play, like the run he had against New Orleans, but does not pick up the tough yards often enough. Barber is the guy who kept the chains moving last year. Barber would turn a broken play into a three yard gain, or turn a run that might have 3 yard potential into a six or seven yard gain. Barber has the nose for the end zone, seldom goes down on first contact and is more physical between the tackles.
There were simply too many plays last year where Jones would get the ball, run into the line, and go down on first contact for a gain of one or two yards. Yes, I know the Cowboys offensive line did not do a stellar job of run blocking last season, but MB III was running behind the exact same line and was much more effective. The Cowboys could add an RB who is just as good as JJ on the first day of the draft.
There were simply too many plays last year where Jones would get the ball, run into the line, and go down on first contact for a gain of one or two yards. Yes, I know the Cowboys offensive line did not do a stellar job of run blocking last season, but MB III was running behind the exact same line and was much more effective. The Cowboys could add an RB who is just as good as JJ on the first day of the draft.
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Author Todd Archer is a JJ owner.
Cowboys#1
Footballguy
barber can turn 2 yards into 5.. but he also turns 3 yards into 0 yards. Anyone else remember the seattle playoff game?
as a cowboy fan and non owner of either guy on my team i could care less who the starting rb is but i think Barber is seen as the be all and end all and its just not true.
as a cowboy fan and non owner of either guy on my team i could care less who the starting rb is but i think Barber is seen as the be all and end all and its just not true.
Bankerguy
Footballguy
Shhhh....you are going to ruin the MB3 party around here with all your common sense.
Every time Julius received the substantial amount of carries he put up solid numbers.
– Wk1 Jags – 17 for 72 at 4.2 (1 for 39 = 18 for 111 total)
– Wk2 Skins – 20 for 94 at 4.7
– Wk3 Titans – 23 for 122 at 5.3
– Wk4 Eagles – 26 for 100 at 3.8 (1 for 22 = 27 for 122)
– Wk5 Texans – 22 for 106 at 4.8
– Wk7 Panthers – 24 for 92 at 3.8
– Wk8 Skins – 20 for 73 at 3.7
– Wk10 Colts – 20 for 79 at 3.9 (3 for 25 = 23 for 104 total)
Eight games total where he received 17 or more carries.
Over these eight games he had 172 carries for 860 yards at a 5.0 average per carry.
Per game average over those eight games was 21.5 carries at 107.5 yards.
Even at this high rate of carries Jones was safe with the ball. He only fumbled once all year (week 2 against the Skins) in his 267 carries.
In the last six weeks Jones only got 65 carries and only rushed for 271 yards (4.1 average) but a lot of that came from one run, the 77 yarder against the Saints. To me this was also the period that the Oline started to wear down. Gurode was becoming inconsistent again and Rivera was melting right before our eyes.
With the Oline performance sinking this might be the reason that so many late carries were given to Marion Barber because he is more physical and better at yards after contact and creating his own hole and pushing the pile.
Julius also only caught 9 passes all year. I can’t fathom this. On his 9 catches he had 142 yards. That’s almost a 16 yard average per reception. Yet they only found a way to get him the ball nine times. I am hopeful however that Jason Garrett can find a way to get him the ball in the receiving game. Garrett’s former team the Dolphins got RB Ronnie Brown 33 receptions in 07.
Norv Turner, of whom I’ve heard Garrett’s offense might take some influence, found a way to get the ball into Frank Gore’s hands 61 times in the receiving game. Getting Julius into space is his strength, when he has space or a hole he looks as good as anyone in the league, why we didn’t try to get Julius into receiving space last year is beyond me and hopefully something that is rectified in 2008.
Is Jones the new Emmitt Smith? No, and we may never see the like of him again. But Jones is a solid back who has big play potential and he might play even better this year if he just gets the carries or at least a more even distribution. Marion had the advantage of coming into the game in the forth fresh against tired defenders. If Julius got some of those carries I think the stats show he could have made some plays too. It’s not a knock on Marion, I think he’s a great backup but I think his style would wear him out over whole season.
The signing of Chunk Davis for RG at the least should greatly improve the run blocking inside. Kozier, Gurode and Chunk could form an effective inside run blocking trio. Julius Jones could benefit more than any player from this new group. The new offense might also benefit Julius greatly if it involves getting the running back drawn into the passing game.
I see Julius Jones primed for a big season. The free agent additions and the new coaching style could favour him greatly. He is also in the last year of his contract and still has plenty to prove so motivation will not be an issue. What’s the real value in trading him for a second round pick even in the unlikely event we get offered it?
Outside of Peterson I can’t see anyone who could come in as a rookie and offer more than what Julius could give us this year and Peterson is way out of our range. Why not ride Julius hard this year? Forget the ‘worrying about Jones longevity’ that Bill Parcells wrought over and make full use of his talents, he might just have a super season and remind us of the freakish player we saw in his rookie year.
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– Wk1 Jags – 17 for 72 at 4.2 (1 for 39 = 18 for 111 total)
– Wk2 Skins – 20 for 94 at 4.7
– Wk3 Titans – 23 for 122 at 5.3
– Wk4 Eagles – 26 for 100 at 3.8 (1 for 22 = 27 for 122)
– Wk5 Texans – 22 for 106 at 4.8
– Wk7 Panthers – 24 for 92 at 3.8
– Wk8 Skins – 20 for 73 at 3.7
– Wk10 Colts – 20 for 79 at 3.9 (3 for 25 = 23 for 104 total)
Eight games total where he received 17 or more carries.
Over these eight games he had 172 carries for 860 yards at a 5.0 average per carry.
Per game average over those eight games was 21.5 carries at 107.5 yards.
Even at this high rate of carries Jones was safe with the ball. He only fumbled once all year (week 2 against the Skins) in his 267 carries.
In the last six weeks Jones only got 65 carries and only rushed for 271 yards (4.1 average) but a lot of that came from one run, the 77 yarder against the Saints. To me this was also the period that the Oline started to wear down. Gurode was becoming inconsistent again and Rivera was melting right before our eyes.
With the Oline performance sinking this might be the reason that so many late carries were given to Marion Barber because he is more physical and better at yards after contact and creating his own hole and pushing the pile.
Julius also only caught 9 passes all year. I can’t fathom this. On his 9 catches he had 142 yards. That’s almost a 16 yard average per reception. Yet they only found a way to get him the ball nine times. I am hopeful however that Jason Garrett can find a way to get him the ball in the receiving game. Garrett’s former team the Dolphins got RB Ronnie Brown 33 receptions in 07.
Norv Turner, of whom I’ve heard Garrett’s offense might take some influence, found a way to get the ball into Frank Gore’s hands 61 times in the receiving game. Getting Julius into space is his strength, when he has space or a hole he looks as good as anyone in the league, why we didn’t try to get Julius into receiving space last year is beyond me and hopefully something that is rectified in 2008.
Is Jones the new Emmitt Smith? No, and we may never see the like of him again. But Jones is a solid back who has big play potential and he might play even better this year if he just gets the carries or at least a more even distribution. Marion had the advantage of coming into the game in the forth fresh against tired defenders. If Julius got some of those carries I think the stats show he could have made some plays too. It’s not a knock on Marion, I think he’s a great backup but I think his style would wear him out over whole season.
The signing of Chunk Davis for RG at the least should greatly improve the run blocking inside. Kozier, Gurode and Chunk could form an effective inside run blocking trio. Julius Jones could benefit more than any player from this new group. The new offense might also benefit Julius greatly if it involves getting the running back drawn into the passing game.
I see Julius Jones primed for a big season. The free agent additions and the new coaching style could favour him greatly. He is also in the last year of his contract and still has plenty to prove so motivation will not be an issue. What’s the real value in trading him for a second round pick even in the unlikely event we get offered it?
Outside of Peterson I can’t see anyone who could come in as a rookie and offer more than what Julius could give us this year and Peterson is way out of our range. Why not ride Julius hard this year? Forget the ‘worrying about Jones longevity’ that Bill Parcells wrought over and make full use of his talents, he might just have a super season and remind us of the freakish player we saw in his rookie year.
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Riffraff
Footballguy
Fantasy owners are always looking to cause change. For their own selfish reasons of course, not because it makes sense for the actual NFL team.This will probably play out the same as when Fred Taylor re-signed/restructured with JAX to nix alot of MJD's fantasy value. It's good for the NFL team.Dallas has a good committee going on, a play-off capable duo. There's not a good NFL reason to trade JJ. They would just have to turn around and draft another RB. People are over infatuated with MBarber being a solo RB. Highly unlikely it happens even next year when JJ is a free agent. Tyson will be healthier and they'll bring in another RB via draft or free agency (which could include re-signing JJ).If anyone's fantasy season hinges on JJ or MB, I feel for you.Bankerguy said:
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Riffraff
Footballguy
Some real NFL football perspective:
Of the 9 games MBarber got 8 or more carries, the Cowboys were 9-0.
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/406023/gamelogs/2006
Of the 8 games JJones had 20 or more attempts, the Cowboys were 5-2.
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/492974/gamelogs/2006
Looks like a recipe for NFL success to give JJ 20 carries and MB 10.
Of the 9 games MBarber got 8 or more carries, the Cowboys were 9-0.
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/406023/gamelogs/2006
Of the 8 games JJones had 20 or more attempts, the Cowboys were 5-2.
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/492974/gamelogs/2006
Looks like a recipe for NFL success to give JJ 20 carries and MB 10.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
nice breakdown
