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Gordon To Miami? (1 Viewer)

I don't understand what the big deal is right now. Nobody has said that Gordon will start guaranteed. Although I do understand dropping back-up TEs, Ks, and Ds for him, I don't understand dropping Micheal Bennett and others. I have Tatum Bell sitting at RB4 for me, but I think I'll wait until I hear he is starting for sure before I drop Bell.

 
I dropped my kaks for Gordon so that he could nosh me off and then beg me to pick him up.......
That's FUNNY, :lol: :lol: :lol: LOL
Sorry, but it's not. Please keep it on NFL news here.Dans will be back in a week.Sorry, low tolerance for that stuff this week as we're doing all we can to keep this board as close to 100% NFL as we can.J
 
I haven't read this thread yet (it's next on my "to-do" list), but I've already pulled the trigger on Lamar Gordon this morning, ponying up $10 to (hopefully) give me added RB depth in a deep 12-owner league. We just held our auction/draft last night, and Gordon was one of the few backups that remained on the waiver wire when we were all done. With up to 22 players on each team (any players above the 20-player limit cost $10 each), I had to move quickly. Last year, I grabbed Boldin and Delhomme following Week One and they more than repaid my investment over the course of the season. I'm not as excited about Gordon (yet), but I do appreciate the FBG email bulletins that give me a leg up on the competition.

 
139 User(s) are reading this topic (65 Guests and 2 Anonymous Users)All I'm thinking is that this team is still going to suck and I don't see the running game being all that good. Ricky, a force in his own right, came in 9th last year at RB. Gordon isn't close to Ricky. The best this guy is going to be is 15th overall at RB, and that's really optimistic. I say Gordon finishes top 20 but barely, something like 1200 total yards and 6 TD's.

 
FWIW, I dropped my WR5, Andre Davis, for Gordon in a 10-team league. We can start 3 RBs, so if Gordon can turn into a decent play, he'll be worth it. I have Barlow, Rudi J, and Q Griffin, Lee Suggs, and W Dunn ahead of Gordon right now.

 
All I'm thinking is that this team is still going to suck and I don't see the running game being all that good. Ricky, a force in his own right, came in 9th last year at RB. Gordon isn't close to Ricky. The best this guy is going to be is 15th overall at RB, and that's really optimistic. I say Gordon finishes top 20 but barely, something like 1200 total yards and 6 TD's.
He'd have to do a lot worse than 1200/6 to be untouchable, though.
 
139 User(s) are reading this topic (65 Guests and 2 Anonymous Users)All I'm thinking is that this team is still going to suck and I don't see the running game being all that good. Ricky, a force in his own right, came in 9th last year at RB. Gordon isn't close to Ricky. The best this guy is going to be is 15th overall at RB, and that's really optimistic. I say Gordon finishes top 20 but barely, something like 1200 total yards and 6 TD's.
But I'd rather have the #15 to #20 RB on my roster sitting on my bench than helping some other WR-heavy team in my league. I picked him up in another league too knowing the guy who drafted Minor did so for depth. It's as much about defense as it is offense.
 
139 User(s) are reading this topic (65 Guests and 2 Anonymous Users)All I'm thinking is that this team is still going to suck and I don't see the running game being all that good. Ricky, a force in his own right, came in 9th last year at RB. Gordon isn't close to Ricky. The best this guy is going to be is 15th overall at RB, and that's really optimistic. I say Gordon finishes top 20 but barely, something like 1200 total yards and 6 TD's.
I just dropped Sammy Morris for him and Gordon will be my 4th RB. I would gladly take 1200 total yards and 6-8 TDs.
 
We have to remember Trung Canidate. He looked good backing up Marshall in '01 and has doing nothing since then.Gordon looked solid in '02. less so last year, and St Louis went out and drafted Jackson to back up Marshall.Going to Miami is good for Gordon, but I don't expect him to set the World on fire.And how is Gordon's ankle. Didn't he have surgery just a few weeks ago?

 
139 User(s) are reading this topic (65 Guests and 2 Anonymous Users)All I'm thinking is that this team is still going to suck and I don't see the running game being all that good. Ricky, a force in his own right, came in 9th last year at RB. Gordon isn't close to Ricky. The best this guy is going to be is 15th overall at RB, and that's really optimistic. I say Gordon finishes top 20 but barely, something like 1200 total yards and 6 TD's.
Not a problem for me--it was either keep Buckhalter or trade him for Gordon.....hmmmmmm :hophead:
 
139 User(s) are reading this topic (65 Guests and 2 Anonymous Users)All I'm thinking is that this team is still going to suck and I don't see the running game being all that good. Ricky, a force in his own right, came in 9th last year at RB. Gordon isn't close to Ricky. The best this guy is going to be is 15th overall at RB, and that's really optimistic. I say Gordon finishes top 20 but barely, something like 1200 total yards and 6 TD's.
As a fourth rb in a very deep league I'd be more than happy with that!
 
It pains me that someone grabbed him in the middle of the night last night in a 16 team league. In a league that deep, Gordon is an awesome pickup.

 
Why is God's green earth would one not pick a potential starting RB off the waiver wire and drop a last round long shot draft pick for it???Here's the only answer I can come up with: because you can't! Sorry, but I can't help but to reason that those downplaying Gordon and declaring him bad value simply didn't have a shot at picking him up....

 
I think it's safe to assume that the Dolphins were convinced the ankle is not a problem. I doubt anyone here is going to dig up something they didn't.As far as FF is concerned, that's good enough for me.

 
Why is God's green earth would one not pick a potential starting RB off the waiver wire and drop a last round long shot draft pick for it???Here's the only answer I can come up with: because you can't! Sorry, but I can't help but to reason that those downplaying Gordon and declaring him bad value simply didn't have a shot at picking him up....
:thumbup: I was just thinking way are some of these people downplaying the pickup because they missed out on him. As a 4th RB heh can provide valueable trade bait and depth.
 
We have to remember Trung Canidate. He looked good backing up Marshall in '01 and has doing nothing since then.Gordon looked solid in '02. less so last year, and St Louis went out and drafted Jackson to back up Marshall.Going to Miami is good for Gordon, but I don't expect him to set the World on fire.And how is Gordon's ankle. Didn't he have surgery just a few weeks ago?
:yes: :goodposting:
 
it's been confirmed that Gordon will start in week 2?and that he's better than Minor?i have Minor as my RB#5.. no sense in keeping him if he's going to be a backup, but no sense in dropping him based on what people hope will happen either.

 
139 User(s) are reading this topic (65 Guests and 2 Anonymous Users)All I'm thinking is that this team is still going to suck and I don't see the running game being all that good. Ricky, a force in his own right, came in 9th last year at RB. Gordon isn't close to Ricky. The best this guy is going to be is 15th overall at RB, and that's really optimistic. I say Gordon finishes top 20 but barely, something like 1200 total yards and 6 TD's.
But I'd rather have the #15 to #20 RB on my roster sitting on my bench than helping some other WR-heavy team in my league. I picked him up in another league too knowing the guy who drafted Minor did so for depth. It's as much about defense as it is offense.
I agree with Nuclear Police. In my league I can start three (3) rb's each week.I obviously don't need any more rb's (see my roster below), But in my 12 team league there are several owners who would love to have Gordon as a 3rd rb. Some people think it is wrong to hoard rb's, But the way I look at it, They make great trade bait to upgrade my team and other teams don't have them.By the way, I dropped Garrison Hearst to pick up Gordon.
 
Some people think it is wrong to hoard rb's,
Seems to me the only people who would criticize this sound strategy are those who will be whining about how tough it is to find some as the season goes along.
 
it's been confirmed that Gordon will start in week 2?and that he's better than Minor?i have Minor as my RB#5.. no sense in keeping him if he's going to be a backup, but no sense in dropping him based on what people hope will happen either.
I just got Minor as my #5 last night, also. With a two day waiver period, though, and 8th in line for waivers, I'm guessing the news will get around and someone wil beat me to him. With regard to when he starts, FWIW,"Sep 8- Jay Glazer, of Fox Sports, reports on Foxsports.com that newly acquired Miami Dolphins RB Lamar Gordon isn't expected to start in Week 1. He is, however, expected to take over as the feature running back for the Dolphins this season. "
 
it's been confirmed that Gordon will start in week 2?and that he's better than Minor?i have Minor as my RB#5.. no sense in keeping him if he's going to be a backup, but no sense in dropping him based on what people hope will happen either.
Well, obviously nothing is set in stone, but I think its a pretty sure bet that Miami traded for Gordon because they weren't happy with what they currently have. I'd bet good money that at some point in the next few weeks Gordon will be given the opportunity to be the feature back. What he does with that opportunity and behind that offensive line remains to be seen.At this point, I think I'd rather take my chances with Gordon rather than Minor as my #5 RB.
 
My league drafts tonight. If Gordon was on the WW, I would also pick him up immediately.My earlier comments were based on my situation ... what is his value in a draft? I hope Joe addresses this today.

 
This is driving me nuts because I'm in the late rounds of a ridiculously long e-mail draft and I JUST picked last night before I heard the news. Now I know someone will get him before my picks comes back up later today. So instead of drafting Pittman or Alstott, they get a starter in Gordon.

 
I'm thinking about picking up Gordon for Foster. I have A Green and C Brown as starters and C Martin as a backup. I like the idea of Gordon because he'll be a starter while Foster will likely remain a backup all year.

 
Anybody who doesn't think Gordan is an upgrade to Minor or Morris, who are third down backs, is rolling it with Ricky somewhere. :fro:At 6'1, 228 lbs, Gordan is the type of runner that Wannstedt covets in his offense. He runs physical between the tackles and has soft hands to catch balls in the flat and underneath. Statistically, it looks like Gordan had a tendency in 2003 to wear down towards the end of games:1ST QUARTER, Att 18, Yds 94, Avg 5.2 2ND QUARTER, Att 16, Yds 63, Avg 3.93RD QUARTER, Att 22, Yds 99, Avg 4.54TH QUARTER, Att 15, Yds 42, Avg 2.8 I'd be interested to get a take from a Ram's homer on Gordan's performance. Did it have more to do with how Martz uses his runningbacks in the 4th quarter or is this a real issue? Of course, the stats are not based on a ton of carrys, so this might not be a far assessment from that standpoint. But, considering how Miami tends to run it's backs into the ground, durability and the ability to carry the rock 25-30 times a game will be key.Maybe the real question, which has already been raised, is can the Miami offensive line open holes for Gordan and give him a chance to post RB2 numbers (which any decent starter that isn't part of a RBBC should be able to do). Does anyone have a link to any analysis on the Miami O-Line?

 
Why is God's green earth would one not pick a potential starting RB off the waiver wire and drop a last round long shot draft pick for it???Here's the only answer I can come up with: because you can't! Sorry, but I can't help but to reason that those downplaying Gordon and declaring him bad value simply didn't have a shot at picking him up....
Exactly. Getting a starting RB in a run first offense for nothing (throwaway last round pick) is a no-brainer. So he doesn't set the world on fire. He gives you depth for bye weeks and trade bait for the perennial owners that are desperate for starting RB's.I dropped him for Keary Colbert this morning. I think Colbert is a big sleeper, but I can probably pick him up later.
 
Has anyone considered the fact that Miami may want to throw the ball a little more with screnes and dump off passes because the offensive line is so bad? They may have targeted Gordon and Davenport because they can catch out of the back field and are better open field runners than Morris and Minor.

I have read a couple of articles that state that they do want to go to a more passing offense this year. They certainly do not have the WR's to do this so I can see them dumping to the tight ends more and backs out of the backfield.

Gordon would be a good match-up for this philosiphy.
Just curious, have you seen anything, anything at all in Wanny's entire head coaching career that would lead you to believe that he would actually use anything other than a battering ram between the tackles offensive game plan? I sure haven't. This guy's incredible stubborn streak will ruin his career (actually it has just about done that already) and the Dolphin's chances of winning this season.Now, I have no problem with Wanny's type of offensive game plan *** IF *** your team has a solid O-Line and the right type of RB. Last year the O-Line sucked, but at least they did have a guy that could be a battering ram (even if he was over-used, mis-used, and generally abused in that role). This year they have neither the O-Line nor the RB (Gordon is no Ricky), yet Wanny continues headlong down the same offensive road.

He was recently quoted as saying something the the effect that **Travis Minor just wasn't getting it done banging it up in there between the tackles**. No crap coach One-Track?? That is completely shocking! Barring some miracle (like having that tumor removed from his brain pan) Wanny will continue his quest to prove that there is only one way to run an offensive team and Gordon (or any other back they are likely to get) is DOOMED.

JMO, YMMV

 
Has anyone considered the fact that Miami may want to throw the ball a little more with screnes and dump off passes because the offensive line is so bad? They may have targeted Gordon and Davenport because they can catch out of the back field and are better open field runners than Morris and Minor.

I have read a couple of articles that state that they do want to go to a more passing offense this year. They certainly do not have the WR's to do this so I can see them dumping to the tight ends more and backs out of the backfield.

Gordon would be a good match-up for this philosiphy.
Just curious, have you seen anything, anything at all in Wanny's entire head coaching career that would lead you to believe that he would actually use anything other than a battering ram between the tackles offensive game plan? I sure haven't. This guy's incredible stubborn streak will ruin his career (actually it has just about done that already) and the Dolphin's chances of winning this season.Now, I have no problem with Wanny's type of offensive game plan *** IF *** your team has a solid O-Line and the right type of RB. Last year the O-Line sucked, but at least they did have a guy that could be a battering ram (even if he was over-used, mis-used, and generally abused in that role). This year they have neither the O-Line nor the RB (Gordon is no Ricky), yet Wanny continues headlong down the same offensive road.

He was recently quoted as saying something the the effect that **Travis Minor just wasn't getting it done banging it up in there between the tackles**. No crap coach One-Track?? That is completely shocking! Barring some miracle (like having that tumor removed from his brain pan) Wanny will continue his quest to prove that there is only one way to run an offensive team and Gordon (or any other back they are likely to get) is DOOMED.

JMO, YMMV
Nobody cares if Gordon is doomed, as long as he puts up 900 yards and 6 TDs.
 
Nobody cares if Gordon is doomed, as long as he puts up 900 yards and 6 TDs.
What if he puts up 550 and 3 before Wanny's insanity buries on IR? Do they care then?Personally I will be very surprised to see him last long enough to put up 900 yards (although anything is possible); and he will get STUFFED on goalline carries so he better break those TDs from outside the 10.
 
Now Bevo, would you go so far as to say you wouldn't have dropped Richie Anderson or Musa Smith (hypothetically, of course) for the DOOMED one, if someone hadn't beaten you to the punch late last night? :rotflmao:

 
It pains me that someone grabbed him in the middle of the night last night in a 16 team league. In a league that deep, Gordon is an awesome pickup.
C'mon Frank. If you were a true shark this wouldn't of happened. True Sharks never sleep! :P
 
What if he puts up 550 and 3 before Wanny's insanity buries on IR? Do they care then?Personally I will be very surprised to see him last long enough to put up 900 yards (although anything is possible); and he will get STUFFED on goalline carries so he better break those TDs from outside the 10.
This just doesn't make any sense. Are you saying he's completely worthless because he is going to get a lot of between the tackle carries and MIGHT get hurt? I mean, if this trade had taken place BEFORE most peoples drafts, Gordon would have been drafted AT LEAST as high as Travis Minor has been going, which is in the middle rounds, if not higher. So why not drop your last round pick for him? If he gets the bulk of the carries in Miami, he is a steal in the last round of any draft considering how hard it is to get starting RBs in fantasy leagues. And if he doesn't pan out, so what, you dropped a guy that wasn't gonna start on your team anyway???
 
What if he puts up 550 and 3 before Wanny's insanity buries on IR? Do they care then?Personally I will be very surprised to see him last long enough to put up 900 yards (although anything is possible); and he will get STUFFED on goalline carries so he better break those TDs from outside the 10.
This just doesn't make any sense. Are you saying he's completely worthless because he is going to get a lot of between the tackle carries and MIGHT get hurt? I mean, if this trade had taken place BEFORE most peoples drafts, Gordon would have been drafted AT LEAST as high as Travis Minor has been going, which is in the middle rounds, if not higher. So why not drop your last round pick for him? If he gets the bulk of the carries in Miami, he is a steal in the last round of any draft considering how hard it is to get starting RBs in fantasy leagues. And if he doesn't pan out, so what, you dropped a guy that wasn't gonna start on your team anyway???
Well put.Colin
 
This just doesn't make any sense. Are you saying he's completely worthless because he is going to get a lot of between the tackle carries and MIGHT get hurt? I mean, if this trade had taken place BEFORE most peoples drafts, Gordon would have been drafted AT LEAST as high as Travis Minor has been going, which is in the middle rounds, if not higher. So why not drop your last round pick for him? If he gets the bulk of the carries in Miami, he is a steal in the last round of any draft considering how hard it is to get starting RBs in fantasy leagues. And if he doesn't pan out, so what, you dropped a guy that wasn't gonna start on your team anyway???
If you go back to my original post in this thread, what I said (essentially) was that it was humorous that people were getting excited about Gordon going to Miami.If you and others want to get a woody about a guy that has averaged 3.9 YPC for his career behind a O-Line that is much better than Miami's, in an offense that is much more dynamic than Miami's, under a head coach that is not an offensive neanderthal; hey go ahead, but I am not going to be real upbeat about his chances (in fact I'm in the other direction).And I am not saying that he is completely worthless. I picked him up in 2 of my leagues as soon as I read about this because I am reasonably sure that I can trade him (alone or in a package) to someone that believes that this guy will is anything more than a very faint semblance of Ricky. BTW, I didn't think Travis Minor was anything more than trade bait either; I drafted and traded him quickly. Maybe, I can trade Gordon to the same guy that thought Minor was going to be a quality RB for Miami?
 
wow.. for the first time, i read the story on espn first!great break FM! i picked him up in all local leagues, dynasty was unavailable, but where does this put him? after julius but before who? finally, did anyone manage to sneak gordon into the survivor pool? for days i've been saying i would update my team based on the past few weeks injuries, never got around to it. DAMN!!!
I too would like to know how he is ranked if this deal goes through, what tier of players should he be slotted with?
I'm sticking him after KJones (my RB25) and somewhere in the Dunn range of backs.I give him an early projection of:
15 GP; 14 GS; 275 carries; 4.1 YPC; 1127; 40 catches; 260 receiving yards; 9 total TDs
That would exceed what I project for Dunn, and would place him in the top-20 (heck, probably the top-15 if my TD numbers are accurate) for RBs, but without knowing exactly how he will be used, I have to keep my ranking of him a little bit low. I have to assume that a third round pick= starter and Wannie loves pounding the RB. Gordon will be starting by week 3 at the latest and will not give up the starting gig this year - he just became the Dolphins' best back and starter for a coach that has no problem giving the back the ball 380 times a year.
 
It must take a phin fan like myself to be the only ones actually feeling optimistic about the Dolphins now.By week 4 or 5, this OL will be a better OL than the craptacular collection that tried to open holes for Ricky in '03 w/o Dixon. It takes some time. James and Carney are newcomers, McKinny is FINALLY starting at C over Ruddy, but it is his first year as full time starter at the position. Only Brent Smith is returning to his spot. It will take a little while for them to gel under NFL gametime situations, but if they remain UNINJURED, they will be an improved unit.If you start seeing Dolphin starting linemen going down to injury, you can write the team's offense off, but until then, I still have hope for them to be at least mediocre instead of terrible.

 
Now Bevo, would you go so far as to say you wouldn't have dropped Richie Anderson or Musa Smith (hypothetically, of course) for the DOOMED one, if someone hadn't beaten you to the punch late last night? :rotflmao:
Nobody beat me to the punch. I picked him up in both leagues where I had the option to do so; I beat my league mates to the punch! I didn't say I wouldn't pick him up, I am fairly sure I can trade him to one of you guys that is all excited about him and get something worth having. I am just amused by all the excitement over him considering the offensive quagmire he is heading into. Good luck with him, I hope he works out for you! :thumbup:
 
Now Bevo, would you go so far as to say you wouldn't have dropped Richie Anderson or Musa Smith (hypothetically, of course) for the DOOMED one, if someone hadn't beaten you to the punch late last night? :rotflmao:
Nobody beat me to the punch. I picked him up in both leagues where I had the option to do so; I beat my league mates to the punch! I didn't say I wouldn't pick him up, I am fairly sure I can trade him to one of you guys that is all excited about him and get something worth having. I am just amused by all the excitement over him considering the offensive quagmire he is heading into. Good luck with him, I hope he works out for you! :thumbup:
I don't think 900/6 is a ringing endorsement for any RB. You said Lamar is doomed. My response was, in essence, if you don't have to give much up for him, why not pick him up?If you think people are stupid to enjoy the prospect of an undrafted RB suddenly becoming a (likely) starter, fine. But if he does anything worthwhile in the next three weeks, you will have traded a guy at a low value point (who do you really expect to get, Drew Bennett?), while the rest of us will have taken a gamble.It might pay off; it might not. Either way, we didn't give up anything valuable for the chance to gamble on Gordon. You don't even want to give him a chance. And people who don't give unproven players a chance don't win FF championships.
 
If you and others want to get a woody about a guy that has averaged 3.9 YPC for his career behind a O-Line that is much better than Miami's, in an offense that is much more dynamic than Miami's, under a head coach that is not an offensive neanderthal; hey go ahead, but I am not going to be real upbeat about his chances (in fact I'm in the other direction).
I don't think anyone is "getting a woody" or expecting huge numbers out of the guy, but if he gets the bulk of the work, I think he is very valuable in fantasy leagues unless you are in a 6 team league with a bunch of mental midgets. You talk about Wannstedt's offense as if its impossible for a RB not named Ricky to have any success. I don't consider Lamar Smith to be a stud and yet under Wannstedt he had 2 very productive seasons.2000 = 1340 combined yards and 16 total TDs2001 = 1200 combined yards and 8 total TDs
 
If you think people are stupid to enjoy the prospect of an undrafted RB suddenly becoming a (likely) starter, fine. It might pay off; it might not. Either way, we didn't give up anything valuable for the chance to gamble on Gordon. You don't even want to give him a chance. And people who don't give unproven players a chance don't win FF championships.
:thumbup: I'd say the excitement right now over Gordon is VERY well deserved. The guy drafting in July who had to gamble on both SJax and Gordon behind Faulk is now looking REALLY good.The guy who surfs these boards and was able to add him last night before the news broke this a.m. is dancing a little jig.It is not because of what Gordon is EXPECTED to do, but b/c the prospect of what was being used as a RB5/dead roster space depth just became a potential starting FF player.If the VALUE of a guy who went from 75 total yards on the year to a 900 yard season (as has been put here - I see much more than that as an inevitability) with potential for a LOT more if he ends up with over 300 carries is lost on an FF player, I have to question that player's "shark" status.It certainly makes more sense to retain Gordon on your roster than the RBs who may not even see the field or are splitting in rough committees - like Tatum Bell, Anthony Thomas, Jerome Bettis, TJ Duckett, Julius Jones/Eddie George, Emmitt Smith, etc. - Gordon will probably even outscore a guy like Charlie Garner.
 
If you think people are stupid to enjoy the prospect of an undrafted RB suddenly becoming a (likely) starter, fine. It might pay off; it might not. Either way, we didn't give up anything valuable for the chance to gamble on Gordon. You don't even want to give him a chance. And people who don't give unproven players a chance don't win FF championships.
:thumbup: I'd say the excitement right now over Gordon is VERY well deserved. The guy drafting in July who had to gamble on both SJax and Gordon behind Faulk is now looking REALLY good.The guy who surfs these boards and was able to add him last night before the news broke this a.m. is dancing a little jig.It is not because of what Gordon is EXPECTED to do, but b/c the prospect of what was being used as a RB5/dead roster space depth just became a potential starting FF player.If the VALUE of a guy who went from 75 total yards on the year to a 900 yard season (as has been put here - I see much more than that as an inevitability) with potential for a LOT more if he ends up with over 300 carries is lost on an FF player, I have to question that player's "shark" status.It certainly makes more sense to retain Gordon on your roster than the RBs who may not even see the field or are splitting in rough committees - like Tatum Bell, Anthony Thomas, Jerome Bettis, TJ Duckett, Julius Jones/Eddie George, Emmitt Smith, etc. - Gordon will probably even outscore a guy like Charlie Garner.
Exactly, this helps Miami tremendously, I like this pick for Miami and I think Gordon should surprise, heck anytime you pick up a starting running back off the waivers, providing you don't give up too much, it's a deal. I was lucky to get him late last night in 3 leagues. :yes:BTW he is my 4th RB in all three leagues, how can anyone argue that!
 
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