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Faust said:
Sources: NFLPA, NFL agreed to keep collusion findings secret

NFLPA head also works for firm approved to invest in NFL

Wetzel: Why the NFLPA mess should matter to football fans
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Meh to the bolded. From a holistic view, I think the opposite. Fans shouldn't spend any time caring or concerning themselves with the NFLPA and the mess it is. Two primary factors: 1. Knowing how the sausage is made isn't going to change the taste. I think history shows us the odds are actually very high that the more you know only increases the risk of lowering overall enjoyment. And 2. It's 100% outside your circle of control. There is nothing we can do to impact it. Literally 0 influence fans have over how anything there works.

So unless you love experiencing negative emotions like anger, frustration, sadness, etc. you have absolutely nothing to gain by inserting yourself into what's going on with the NFLPA other than feeding egotism and sanctimony. You are allowed to just enjoy things in life without first/simultaneously virtue signaling about every potentially problematic facet of said thing. Working on this myself.
 
Gally said:
pinkstapler said:
1. Knowing how the sausage is made isn't going to change the taste.
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I don't think that is always true. Knowing how sausage is made is pretty disgusting and may make you not want to eat it anymore.
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Lol very fair, that was more where I was going with the end of that sentence. Most of the time, the more you "learn" about something, the greater your chances of finding a disgust for it. Kind of like the "no one has ever been a hero" philosophy. Keep digging into anyone's history and eventually you'll find something distasteful. Especially when you mix in psychology; so if you're looking with the intention of trying to find something to be upset about, you most definitely will. Even if it's primarily because you distort your perception to fit that narrative; a la self fulfilling prophecy.

So circling back to the sausage; did it really change the taste? Or did it change your perception, which then influenced your taste to change by throwing out objectivity?
 
pinkstapler said:
So circling back to the sausage; did it really change the taste? Or did it change your perception, which then influenced your taste to change by throwing out objectivity?
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Your "taste" changed. Lots of things impact your taste. So why it didn't literally change the taste necessarily the perception for you changed which changed the way it "tastes" to you.
 
Gally said:
pinkstapler said:
So circling back to the sausage; did it really change the taste? Or did it change your perception, which then influenced your taste to change by throwing out objectivity?
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Your "taste" changed. Lots of things impact your taste. So why it didn't literally change the taste necessarily the perception for you changed which changed the way it "tastes" to you.
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Yup, which is why I think sometimes we need to just enjoy things and stop feeling some moral obligation to pick apart every single thing in life to decide whether or not we are "allowed" to. So avoiding stuff which is mostly lumped in with negativity, like this NFLPA or back when people were watching pregames to see who kneels and who doesn't.... what's the point? You just risk having one less thing in life you can enjoy. To each their own, and I'll gladly be labeled selfish by strangers for it; but I've been actively trying to just ngaf about this stuff anymore. At least things that I don't have any direct impact or influence over. In essence I'm circling back to my GenX roots of "eh, whatever" lol.
 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
lol - so dude was going to strip clubs/whorehouses & writing it off on the NFLPA dime as “player development”?
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I was recruited by an out of town company in 2008 that a friend of mine worked for and when some of them were in my city they took me out to strip club were we rang up a bill over $15k. They did try and expense it, which I thought was bold considering it's a federal financial institution rooted in a small town, but it ended up being more of a hassle to them then they wanted to deal with and they just ate it.

Night was not a total loss for them though, that was the final push I needed to accept that job. I knew I had found my people. :laugh:

Anyway, my point is this is not that uncommon, though considering the high profile position he has I think I'd have just ate the charge and for sure not listed so many details, like how many trips to the VIP room,etc.
 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
lol - so dude was going to strip clubs/whorehouses & writing it off on the NFLPA dime as “player development”?

wow, that’s some chutzpah.
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It’s really a tawdry side story that buries the lede imo. This guy was a terrible union boss. He refused to resign from his main job at a large PE firm that was conflicted due to ties to the NFL, kept players in the dark about a serious issue that directly affects their comp and apparently wasn’t even going to appeal this arbitration ruling until a sports journalist made it all public. Good riddance to this clown.
 
Guy is sketch but this reinforces my feeling the players are really disorganized and their player reps stink maybe because they have too much going on. They’re ripe to be taken advantage of. This Tony Clark group keeps getting uglier. Seems like tons of smoke around some big old corrupt systems.

This was awfully odd. Not one rep asked Howell for the decision? Stupid.

“Despite the CBA stating that members of the executive committee and player reps have the right to receive copies of all arbitration rulings, that did not happen in this case: Last March, at the NFLPA's annual meeting held in Hawai'i, copies of the ruling were not shared with the NFLPA's 32 player representatives, union sources told ESPN.“

This article implies they were hidden. They simply weren’t offered. Big difference. Huge difference. You need to advocate for yourself. Somebody should have caught this, even if it’s just an interested player and not a rep.
 
Off-Seasons always have a few very nasty stories about players, coaches, owners, just people connected to the NFL. I get it statistically, there are lots of bad people and with the sheer volume of “NFL people”, there are going to be nasty stories.

Just so tired of it all. Exceedingly wealthy individuals abusing others, primarily doing what they want when they want, without consideration of others.

Sorry for the disruption to the story, just disgusted this morning.
 
Player reps from all 32 NFL teams, plus several additional voices, met Friday night on a call to discuss the future leadership of the NFL Players’ Association. Based on the discussion, the race for the next executive director following the resignation of Lloyd Howell is down to two candidates: JC Tretter, who has the majority of support, and Don Davis, who several league sources have shared has had a strong push from players. No timetable has been set for naming an interim executive director. A high-ranking executive in the NFL offices said Friday the league anticipates that whoever is appointed interim executive director will not be promoted to the full-time role. The league’s thinking stems from the belief that the union is ready to break from a group previously led by Howell and Tretter. But the support for Tretter during Friday’s call shows that he remains very much in contention to lead the organization. Thirty-two player representatives will vote to determine a recommendation for the interim executive director, though the final vote will be by the union’s executive committee, which comprises 11 players. There is also no timetable for the election of a full-time executive director.
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https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6502014/2025/07/18/nflpa-executive-director-howell-tretter/
https://archive.ph/hxmDL
 
I will preface what I'm about to say by stipulating that Tretter really seems to be one of the villains of this whole story, and I have very little sympathy for him. Also, he definitely should not have said what he said on Ross Tucker's podcast about players faking injuries. But am I the only one who finds it weird that the league delivers a presentation to owners about avoiding guaranteed contracts, and then the owners follow through by refusing to give them to Wilson, Murray and Jackson, and basically no teams express any interest in Lamar as a potential free agent, and Spanos congratulates Bidwell for holding the line on Murray because it will make his deal with Herbert easier, and after all this an arbitrator rules that the players can't actually prove there was any collusion, but meanwhile Tretter makes one comment on a podcast, and there doesn't seem to be any direct evidence of him or anyone else at the NFLPA urging specific players to fake injuries, and yet this one piece of evidence is enough for the players to lose that grievance?

To be clear, I believe there was obvious collusion and also that the "hold-in" players obviously faked injuries, but I don't understand the wildly different burden of proof in the two cases
 
Also, it’s obviously not as scandalous as everything else, but I still think the craziest detail that’s been reported is that Lloyd Howell asked if two parking spaces could be combined at NFLPA HQ for his SUV, and then had his new spot renumbered to 32 in honor of OJ(!)
 
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ignatiusjreilly said:
Also, it’s obviously not as scandalous as everything else, but I still think the craziest detail that’s been reported is that Lloyd Howell asked if two parking spaces could be combined at NFLPA HQ for his SUV, and then had his new spot renumbered to 32 in honor of OJ(!)
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Dude gets paid $3.4M annually to rep NFLPA & still has a part-time consultant gig with The Carlyle Group?

Carlyle has been approved to take minority ownership in NFL teams, though they haven’t yet done so….still, I cannot believe that is considered ethically acceptable. Pretty blatant conflict of interest.

Will always remember what my first (CPA) partner told me Y1: “Everyone gets one shot at integrity. One. That should always guide you.”
 
BobbyLayne said:
Dude gets paid $3.4M annually to rep NFLPA & still has a part-time consultant gig with The Carlyle Group?

Carlyle has been approved to take minority ownership in NFL teams, though they haven’t yet done so….still, I cannot believe that is considered ethically acceptable. Pretty blatant conflict of interest.

Will always remember what my first (CPA) partner told me Y1: “Everyone gets one shot at integrity. One. That should always guide you.”
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Welcome to America. Corporate States of America, that is. Imagine how much stuff like this is happening in the shadows.
 
BobbyLayne said:
ignatiusjreilly said:
Also, it’s obviously not as scandalous as everything else, but I still think the craziest detail that’s been reported is that Lloyd Howell asked if two parking spaces could be combined at NFLPA HQ for his SUV, and then had his new spot renumbered to 32 in honor of OJ(!)
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Dude gets paid $3.4M annually to rep NFLPA & still has a part-time consultant gig with The Carlyle Group?

Carlyle has been approved to take minority ownership in NFL teams, though they haven’t yet done so….still, I cannot believe that is considered ethically acceptable. Pretty blatant conflict of interest.

Will always remember what my first (CPA) partner told me Y1: “Everyone gets one shot at integrity. One. That should always guide you.”
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Yeah, but the latest episode that I linked to above suggests another blatant conflict of interest: Tretter installed Jalen Reeves-Maybin as NFLPA president over Kelvin Beachum because he could control JRM, whereas Beachum might ask too many questions about the joint entity they were creating with the baseball union (which is what the FBI is now investigating)
 
cdclopper said:
BobbyLayne said:
Dude gets paid $3.4M annually to rep NFLPA & still has a part-time consultant gig with The Carlyle Group?

Carlyle has been approved to take minority ownership in NFL teams, though they haven’t yet done so….still, I cannot believe that is considered ethically acceptable. Pretty blatant conflict of interest.

Will always remember what my first (CPA) partner told me Y1: “Everyone gets one shot at integrity. One. That should always guide you.”
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Welcome to America. Corporate States of America, that is. Imagine how much stuff like this is happening in the shadows.
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Are you still threatening people to accept trades while you’re commissioner of your league?
 
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