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[Kraft...]

He could do well to do a John Oliver type show with sportsyness.

Not. a. chance. in. hell. He doesn't have the charisma to hold a show together. He's not a "in front of the camera" guy, as much as he'd like that to be the case.

Totally agree with this.

Yeah, I remember he did and Iverson skit on Kimmel back in the day and was turrible

 

[Capella]

The deadspin podcast today was so good. They are LOVING this.

I love when Magery runs off his list of fictional Simmons friends names (Beef-o and the Squelch )

 

[Long Ball Larry]

I think Google or Apple are massive longshots. I think it takes some momentum to get off the ground in terms of housing and managing content providers, not just streaming them, and they just aren't there yet. Nor do I think it's a big area for either, they both have much bigger fish to try in terms of opportunities.

Just thinking out loud here as a lot of this is new to me... TV networks rarely make short-term money on sports rights. They are willing to overpay for live sports to draw large amounts of advertiser-friendly eyeballs to their network(s), hope to retain them for other programming, and make it all back in volume. For a streamer, I suppose they would have to be able to boost new subscription numbers high enough and/or raise subscription rates high enough to justify the price tag. There presumably wouldn't be much of a residual value on that sporting event, either: the appeal of large library of archived sporting events as limited as, say, ESPN Classic's ratings.When Netflix spends a Brinks truck full of money on House Of Cards, the lifespan of that investment turning into money is much broader. They're good shows so people want to watch them, would choose Netflix over another streamer like Amazon Prime because of the exclusivity, recurring revenue potential from the shows' rewstchability, and could still land new customers years after release from folks who were late to cut the cord and are curious about these Web-only shows they've heard so much about.

that had better be a damn big sports audience to buy that show over developing several pieces of relatively evergreen content for the same money.

Legitimate points. But I also think that the growing market of cord-cutters still could be something to exploit. Many of us on this board have mentioned (maybe we are not representative) that the only thing tying us to cable is sports. If Netflix could get even a small amount of sports, it might be enough for me to get my fix. Like if they had TNT instead of Sling or some other college basketball package, I could still watch most NFL OTA and get a bit of NBA and college basketball. And I would rather have Netflix with that addition at $20 than Sling. But the cost might still be too high.

I think that Netflix or Amazon could figure something out because they think about where things are going and distribution, rather than tangible assets. Google could have a chance because they are always willing to experiment with stuff, but unlikely because they are so terrible at bringing things to fruition.

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

The deadspin podcast today was so good. They are LOVING this.

I love when Magery runs off his list of fictional Simmons friends names (Beef-o and the Squelch )

I didn't know Deadspin had a podcast. subscribed and downloaded every episode after reading this post.

 

[Capella]

The deadspin podcast today was so good. They are LOVING this.

I love when Magery runs off his list of fictional Simmons friends names (Beef-o and the Squelch )

I didn't know Deadspin had a podcast. subscribed and downloaded every episode after reading this post.

Yea. Just started back up about a month ago -- deadcast for anyone else.

 

[Tick]

The deadspin podcast today was so good. They are LOVING this.

I love when Magery runs off his list of fictional Simmons friends names (Beef-o and the Squelch )

Yeah, this was good. Magery pointing out how Simmons's pieces are so out of place among better writers at Grantland was an interesting one.

Many people owe a lot to Simmons blazing a trail, but I think Simmons loses sight of the amount of luck he had. He believes that he pulled himself up by his bootstraps, and his quality was so tremendous that it eventually won out. That's part of it, but if he were born 2 years later, he's just another snarky sports writer, and someone else is being hailed as the blogger trailblazer. Head-to-head, there are lots of better writers out there, in no matter how you define the contest.

But man, 30 for 30... that wasn't lucky; it's his greatest achievement and should be lauded.

 

[culdeus]

What is deadspins beef with Simmons. And why have they been on his nuts for all these years. It's one of the original internet feuds.

 

[Jack White]

The deadspin podcast today was so good. They are LOVING this.

I love when Magery runs off his list of fictional Simmons friends names (Beef-o and the Squelch )

Yeah, this was good. Magery pointing out how Simmons's pieces are so out of place among better writers at Grantland was an interesting one.

Many people owe a lot to Simmons blazing a trail, but I think Simmons loses sight of the amount of luck he had. He believes that he pulled himself up by his bootstraps, and his quality was so tremendous that it eventually won out. That's part of it, but if he were born 2 years later, he's just another snarky sports writer, and someone else is being hailed as the blogger trailblazer. Head-to-head, there are lots of better writers out there, in no matter how you define the contest.

But man, 30 for 30... that wasn't lucky; it's his greatest achievement and should be lauded.

Every successful person surely has some good fortune along the way, breaks that go their way.

But when someone goes from bartending to making $5 million a year with one of the biggest companies in sports, you have to give him all the credit.

As much as people love to bash him, the market has spoken. No one gave him anything; he made it all happen.

 

[Rick James]

I miss the Las Vegas trip reports.

 

[Frostillicus]

Bill seems to a bit on tilt on twitter, three straight tweets to youtube videos related to Patriots Super Bowl win.

 

[Jack White]

For those who care, another opinion piece on Simmons' firing.

 

[Capella]

Bill seems to a bit on tilt on twitter, three straight tweets to youtube videos related to Patriots Super Bowl win.

Man he really is a 10-year-old. That's something my nephew would've done. How do things like that still bother him?

 

[Peyton Marino]

What is deadspins beef with Simmons. And why have they been on his nuts for all these years. It's one of the original internet feuds.

I don't know the origin but it's awesome.

 

[Rick James]

I think Magary and Simmons are very similar. I like and read both. I'm not sure why Magary thinks he's better than Simmons or whatever, he has his own annoying shtick that parallels the Sports Guy's. Deadspin just seems butthurt over the whole thing. Which I totally get, I mean Bill makes millions per year. But call it what it is-- jealousy.

 

[Capella]

I think Magary and Simmons are very similar. I like and read both. I'm not sure why Magary thinks he's better than Simmons or whatever, he has his own annoying shtick that parallels the Sports Guy's. Deadspin just seems butthurt over the whole thing. Which I totally get, I mean Bill makes millions per year. But call it what it is-- jealousy.

They are absolutely nothing alike. At all.

 

[Capella]

What is deadspins beef with Simmons. And why have they been on his nuts for all these years. It's one of the original internet feuds.

I don't know the origin but it's awesome.

I don't think they hate him, they're just very blunt. They been complimentary in the past, and IIRC Simmons even reached out to them to get some leaks out 5 or 6 years ago.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I think Magary and Simmons are very similar. I like and read both. I'm not sure why Magary thinks he's better than Simmons or whatever, he has his own annoying shtick that parallels the Sports Guy's. Deadspin just seems butthurt over the whole thing. Which I totally get, I mean Bill makes millions per year. But call it what it is-- jealousy.

Magary probably thinks he's better than Simmons because he's way, way better than Simmons.

Deadspin has an odd relationship with Simmons. They report on sports media and the internet, of course they're going to cover the story. It shouldn't be a surprise. And they are sympathetic to Simmons when the facts call for it; they don't go after him they way they go after more deserving targets like Cowherd. They've gone after ESPN for the way they fired him, too. And they frequently recognized that he was a trailblazer for sports blogging/"alternative" sports media.

 

[roadkill1292]

Bill seems to a bit on tilt on twitter, three straight tweets to youtube videos related to Patriots Super Bowl win.

That's Adebisian in its childishness. Borderline LSUCKSian.

 

[Peyton Marino]

What is deadspins beef with Simmons. And why have they been on his nuts for all these years. It's one of the original internet feuds.

I don't know the origin but it's awesome.

I don't think they hate him, they're just very blunt. They been complimentary in the past, and IIRC Simmons even reached out to them to get some leaks out 5 or 6 years ago.

Their criticisms are mostly spot on and the two articles I've read from them dedicated to bashing Simmons ('Name Dropping Waste' and 'Simmons is a ####ty Writer') were hilarious. Don't get the sense there is necessarily hate there, but they sure as hell don't pull any punches.

 

[Jack White]

Deadspin is merely exploiting an opportunity to get clicks to its site.

 

[RedmondLonghorn]

Magary probably thinks he's better than Simmons because he's way, way better than Simmons.

Pretty much this. When Drew isn't focused on just being mean (which he certainly sometimes is), he is a very, very good writer.

 

[rockaction]

Magary probably thinks he's better than Simmons because he's way, way better than Simmons.

Pretty much this. When Drew isn't focused on just being mean (which he certainly sometimes is), he is a very, very good writer.

He even wrote an article about being mean and that he'd changed, which I found amusing.

If Simmons is an idiotic sixteen year-old-boy trying too hard to impress his friends with name-dropping and sexual exploits, Magary was that annoying cynical ####### in college who was constantly judging you because you weren't concerned enough about the university divesting itself from South Africa.

 

[Peyton Marino]

seems like we're about to get off track here.

 

[Rick James]

yeah I don't care if Magary is a "better writer" than Simmons. That wasn't what I was talking about. I mean that the dudes at Deadspin are just as sophomoric, if not moreso, as Simmons. So their criticisms don't ring very authentic to me.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

If you're in a class of dorks, even if you sit in the back of the class, you're still a dork.

 

[RUSF18]

Rembert Browne ‏@rembert 29m29 minutes ago
list of grantland pieces about deadspin, since 2011:

 

[Capella]

That would be relevant if grantland was a site designed (partially) to cover sports media.

 

[roadkill1292]

Rembert Browne ‏@rembert 29m29 minutes ago
list of grantland pieces about deadspin, since 2011:

Big deal. It's pretty snotty for a big place to tell everybody that they're so important that they don't take notice of the little place. This is nothing to applaud.

 

[TobiasFunke]

yeah I don't care if Magary is a "better writer" than Simmons. That wasn't what I was talking about. I mean that the dudes at Deadspin are just as sophomoric, if not moreso, as Simmons. So their criticisms don't ring very authentic to me.

They criticized him as "sophomoric"? I must have missed that.

 

[John Bender]

seems like we're about to get off track here.

seems like we're about to get off track here.

Finless-esque call here.

 

[Rick James]

yeah I don't care if Magary is a "better writer" than Simmons. That wasn't what I was talking about. I mean that the dudes at Deadspin are just as sophomoric, if not moreso, as Simmons. So their criticisms don't ring very authentic to me.

They criticized him as "sophomoric"? I must have missed that.

You did. Magary always rags on him for the silly nicknames and writing like he's talking to his Boston buds

 

[belljr]

I like simmons well enough bit how can you say he got lucky?

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

That would be relevant if grantland was a site designed (partially) to cover sports media.

It was probably still the Page 2 days, but I remember Simmons writing about the time he was on a panel where Buzz Bissinger flipped out on Will Leitch. Obviously, that was several Deadspin editors ago.

But Deadspin generally gives Simmons credit for what he deserves credit for. For giving voice to the fan and breaking the incestuous chain between athletes/sources and journalists. Otherwise, I'm not sure it's possible to cover Simmons without pointing out that his writing has become self-parody.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

I like simmons well enough bit how can you say he got lucky?

Anyone who hits it big gets a bit lucky. Simmons understood the power of the internet way before other sports writers and he used to write A LOT. You couldn't question his hustle, even if his shtick wore thin.

I'm sure he works very hard now, but not at being a sports columnist. Because he writes infrequently, and when he does so, he writes long sloppy mailbag or trade value columns that nobody deigns to edit.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

I like simmons well enough bit how can you say he got lucky?

Anyone who hits it big gets a bit lucky. Simmons understood the power of the internet way before other sports writers and he used to write A LOT. You couldn't question his hustle, even if his shtick wore thin.

I'm sure he works very hard now, but not at being a sports columnist. Because he writes infrequently, and when he does so, he writes long sloppy mailbag or trade value columns that nobody deigns to edit.

That lady who wrote 50 Shades of Grey was pretty lucky. Right place, right time. And she's no good at all. It's not even arguable.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Rembert Browne ‏@rembert 29m29 minutes ago
list of grantland pieces about deadspin, since 2011:

Way too busy covering "The Challenge." I mean c'mon.

 

[roadkill1292]

That would be relevant if grantland was a site designed (partially) to cover sports media.

It was probably still the Page 2 days, but I remember Simmons writing about the time he was on a panel where Buzz Bissinger flipped out on Will Leitch. Obviously, that was several Deadspin editors ago.

But Deadspin generally gives Simmons credit for what he deserves credit for. For giving voice to the fan and breaking the incestuous chain between athletes/sources and journalists. Otherwise, I'm not sure it's possible to cover Simmons without pointing out that his writing has become self-parody.

For somebody who wrote one of the best non-fiction sports books of all time, Buzz is out there, man.

 

[bushdocda]

So no more Simmons podcast content coming I reckon.

 

[rockaction]

That would be relevant if grantland was a site designed (partially) to cover sports media.

It was probably still the Page 2 days, but I remember Simmons writing about the time he was on a panel where Buzz Bissinger flipped out on Will Leitch. Obviously, that was several Deadspin editors ago.

But Deadspin generally gives Simmons credit for what he deserves credit for. For giving voice to the fan and breaking the incestuous chain between athletes/sources and journalists. Otherwise, I'm not sure it's possible to cover Simmons without pointing out that his writing has become self-parody.

For somebody who wrote one of the best non-fiction sports books of all time, Buzz is out there, man.

Buzz flipped out, and then loved bloggers, IIRC.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Simmons should just do his own podcast like Carolla. If Carolla's can make. 2M a year in profit I would think Simmons would easily top that figure. He could also work out a deal with a media outlet to produce sport docs. He can stay in LA and perhaps figure out something NBA related in a year or two. I doubt he goes that route though.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

2M a year in profit? What?!

 

[Tick]

I like simmons well enough bit how can you say he got lucky?

I also like Simmons, and he definitely got lucky.

I'm not saying he doesn't have talent or that he didn't work hard. I'm saying his timing was lucky. If he were born a few years later, someone else would have been the trailblazer and he'd be writing (well) for SBNation or Deadspin.

 

[Frostillicus]

I recognize all the criticisms and acknowledge them as valid, but I still looked forward to all his columns. Maybe I'm an idiot who should go watch Fast and the Furious and listen to Nickelback, but I'm still a fan.

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

So no more Simmons podcast content coming I reckon.

ESPN is going to keep "The B.S. Report" name and is considering keeping it going with a new host or rotating hosts.

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

I like simmons well enough bit how can you say he got lucky?

I also like Simmons, and he definitely got lucky.I'm not saying he doesn't have talent or that he didn't work hard. I'm saying his timing was lucky. If he were born a few years later, someone else would have been the trailblazer and he'd be writing (well) for SBNation or Deadspin.

He also caught a huge break with the Red Sox and Patriots winning titles right as he hit it big, especially the Sawx.

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

2M a year in profit? What?!

It's been reported that the Carolla podcast umbrella did $4.4MM in revenue last year and cleared $2MM in profit.

 

[Capella]

Carolla has a pretty established fanbase which donates to the show though. Simmons hasn't proved that he has that.

 

[Eephus]

So no more Simmons podcast content coming I reckon.

ESPN is going to keep "The B.S. Report" name and is considering keeping it going with a new host or rotating hosts.

Bruce Springsteen

Britney Spears

Barbra Streisand

Ben Stiller

 

[Capella]

Bayless, Skip

 

[Mr. Retukes]

Carolla has a pretty established fanbase which donates to the show though. Simmons hasn't proved that he has that.

Also, Carolla had a long history of hosting TV shows and a daily radio show. I love the "B.S. Report" but I'm not sure Simmons could pull it off 5 times a week. Hell, I'm not sure I could stand listening to him 5 times a week.