Great Childress quote on ADP (1 Viewer)

[Silver & Black]

Here's a blurb I found with a quote from Childress talking about Peterson's blocking skills. If this is true, perhaps we will see less of Chester Taylor than we thought. Here's the blurb.

Vikings | Childress expects Peterson's blocking to be better

Mon, 14 Jul 2008 08:08:05 -0700

Judd Zulgad, of the Star Tribune, reports Minnesota Vikings head coach Brad Childress expects RB Adrian Peterson to be much improved in his pass blocking, which would enable him to play on third downs this season. "I think he'll be a better pass protector this year, just within our scheme, because to be a third-down back you're not always going out," Childress said during a local television interview. "At times you're protecting with that running back and you have to be able to take on a linebacker."

 

[Silver & Black]

So, news talking about Peterson staying in on more 3rd downs this year etc., doesn't draw anyone's interest...yet we have 19 Favre threads and one talking about how Edwards is going to be one of Cleveland's starting rb's on page 1.

 

[mikel0254]

Who's Edwards and Favre???

After last years performance, the Vikes know they need ADP on the field at all times. Good sign the coach is praising his blocking skills even before camp. I think this is great news for ADP and his owners

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Childress is really evolving as a coach.

Once you get to the "keep your best players on the field as much as possible" stage of development, the sky's truly the limit.

 

[David Yudkin]

IMO, there's a difference between "on the field more on 3rd downs" and "in on all downs." I don't think this will change how much they actually give him the ball. So he may be on the field slightly more, but they're not going to give him the rock 450 times.

 

[LHUCKS]

:donk:

 

[ThePittbully]

Who is Edwards and what are you talking about?

 

[jurb26]

I think this isn't drawing the attention you expected because most people around here already assumed that Peterson was going to become a workhorse back in Minn this year anyway.

 

[T Bell]

Childress is really evolving as a coach.Once you get to the "keep your best players on the field as much as possible" stage of development, the sky's truly the limit.

 

[laughinboy_2000]

I think this isn't drawing the attention you expected because most people around here already assumed that Peterson was going to become a workhorse back in Minn this year anyway.

Yeup, that about sums it up...

 

[joffer]

I think this isn't drawing the attention you expected because most people around here already assumed that Peterson was going to become a workhorse back in Minn this year anyway.

speak for yourself. i bumped him from RB2 to.......................RB2

 

[David Yudkin]

Since we're on the subject, ADP and CT combined to touch the ball almost 450 times last year. The MIN RBs have had 500 or so touches each of the last 2 seasons.

Realistically, how many of those go to ADP? He averaged 18 last year. If he gets up to 23 and plays every game, that's like 368 touches. That still leaves 132 leftover . . .

 

[Biabreakable]

Since we're on the subject, ADP and CT combined to touch the ball almost 450 times last year. The MIN RBs have had 500 or so touches each of the last 2 seasons. Realistically, how many of those go to ADP? He averaged 18 last year. If he gets up to 23 and plays every game, that's like 368 touches. That still leaves 132 leftover . . .

Not really.2007 AD 238 carries + Chester 157 carries = 395 carries. MM 20 carries. FBs had 13 so thats 408 for RBs. Jackson had 54 carries, Bolliger another 5. That's something that may be overlooked about Jacksons value is he runs the ball quite a bit. WRs had 5 carries. Total 494.2006 Chester 303 carries + Pinner 43 carries + MM 24 carries + Fason 18 carries = 388 carries. FBs had 5 so 393 for RBs. Johnson had 29 carries, Jackson 15. WR had 5. Total 442.So while I do see AD getting quite a bit more work and Chester still getting a decent dose there is not really that many left over. I won't be suprised to see Jackson run the ball over 60 times this year. So even if the offense improves (as I expect it will) I think the passing attempts will be up. Total rushes could eclipse 500 in 2008 but even if it does I only see 440 or so of those going to AD and Chester because Jackson will get a lot also.

Published Tue Jul 15 1:57:38 p.m. ET 2008 (RotoWire) Update: Jackson has bench-pressed 405 pounds and run a 4.54 40-yard dash, both stellar numbers for a quarterback, while working out with trainer Tom Shaw this offseason, the St. Paul Pioneer Press reports. Analysis: Jackson will be one of the more mobile starting quarterbacks in the league, though he still must prove that he can be an effective passer at the NFL level. He remains the one major question mark on a Vikings' team that features an elite offensive line, a great running game and a talented defense.

It would be great to see AD get significantly more than 300 carries but I see Chester still spelling him quite a bit.AD 280-330 carries. Chester 110-150 carries. I don't see other RBs contributing as much in 2008 as they did the past 2 seasons unless injury forces the issue.

 

[bolldpt]

Childress says he "expects" ADP to be much improved. Doesnt mean he does. Just caught my attention when i read it.

 

[King of the Jungle]

IMO, there's a difference between "on the field more on 3rd downs" and "in on all downs." I don't think this will change how much they actually give him the ball. So he may be on the field slightly more, but they're not going to give him the rock 450 times.

As a ADP owner, I hope he goes not see the ball 450 times. I think 18-20 carries, 3-5 catch opps is plenty to do damage.

 

[David Yudkin]

Since we're on the subject, ADP and CT combined to touch the ball almost 450 times last year. The MIN RBs have had 500 or so touches each of the last 2 seasons. Realistically, how many of those go to ADP? He averaged 18 last year. If he gets up to 23 and plays every game, that's like 368 touches. That still leaves 132 leftover . . .

Not really.2007 AD 238 carries + Chester 157 carries = 395 carries. MM 20 carries. FBs had 13 so thats 408 for RBs. Jackson had 54 carries, Bolliger another 5. That's something that may be overlooked about Jacksons value is he runs the ball quite a bit. WRs had 5 carries. Total 494.2006 Chester 303 carries + Pinner 43 carries + MM 24 carries + Fason 18 carries = 388 carries. FBs had 5 so 393 for RBs. Johnson had 29 carries, Jackson 15. WR had 5. Total 442.So while I do see AD getting quite a bit more work and Chester still getting a decent dose there is not really that many left over. I won't be suprised to see Jackson run the ball over 60 times this year. So even if the offense improves (as I expect it will) I think the passing attempts will be up. Total rushes could eclipse 500 in 2008 but even if it does I only see 440 or so of those going to AD and Chester because Jackson will get a lot also.

Published Tue Jul 15 1:57:38 p.m. ET 2008 (RotoWire) Update: Jackson has bench-pressed 405 pounds and run a 4.54 40-yard dash, both stellar numbers for a quarterback, while working out with trainer Tom Shaw this offseason, the St. Paul Pioneer Press reports. Analysis: Jackson will be one of the more mobile starting quarterbacks in the league, though he still must prove that he can be an effective passer at the NFL level. He remains the one major question mark on a Vikings' team that features an elite offensive line, a great running game and a talented defense.

It would be great to see AD get significantly more than 300 carries but I see Chester still spelling him quite a bit.AD 280-330 carries. Chester 110-150 carries. I don't see other RBs contributing as much in 2008 as they did the past 2 seasons unless injury forces the issue.

FBG has MIN RB down for 428 carries and 66 receptions = 494 in 2007 and 393 carries and 106 receptions = 499 in 2006.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

I have a hard time giving any weight to anything a coach says in July. But if Chester can block, and can give Jackson that extra second...it would be silly to use AP in that role, even if he's improving. I'd rather use Chester and keep AP fresh in case the first down was achieved.

I think he's probably trying tor praise AP through the media and encourage him to keep working hard by dangling an "every-down back" carrot.

 

[Raider Nation]

Reports say AP is killing himself working on his catching this offseason. Would seem to go hand-in-hand with the blocking.

3rd down... here he comes!

 

[Interseptopus]

I wonder how motivated Tatum Bell is feeling right now

 

[Interseptopus]

In seriousness though- I think one reason AP was healthy the majority of the season (minus a fluke injury with his knee- partially torn ligament), was because of Taylor. Coming out of college AP's major critque was his running style. Many owners said he was prone to being injured due to the way he ran with the ball, which was why he was an injury risk in college.

Throw in more snaps and you increase the number of touches (maybe not ridiculously, but increased nonetheless). With more touches comes more chances for injury.

I'll believe AP's injury ridden past is behind him when he plays a full season two years in a row... until then he's a fantastic player, but someone you cannot count on for a full 16 game season. That being said, being the #1 seed in the playoffs means nothing when your #1 guy is hurt and you end up losing out the last 3 games...

Personally, I will stay away from AP. He's kept in my league, but if I'm starting a new team from scratch, I would see his trade value is more than his value to my team, and would trade him if I were in a possition of drafting him. But that's just me.

Oh yeah, and I hate the Vikings. Tampering with the god of Green and Gold. Stay on your side of the Mississippi!!!!!!

 

[Novice2]

Who is Edwards and what are you talking about?

LB outta KC who is gonna get 150 tackles ( all solo ) 15 sacks, 10 ints, 7 Force Fumbles, and 5 TD's

 

[sholditch]

Since we're on the subject, ADP and CT combined to touch the ball almost 450 times last year. The MIN RBs have had 500 or so touches each of the last 2 seasons. Realistically, how many of those go to ADP? He averaged 18 last year. If he gets up to 23 and plays every game, that's like 368 touches. That still leaves 132 leftover . . .

366 would be dumd IMO, and a Peterson owner here. With his inury history you really need to cap him at about 20 per. CT is more than capable of carrying the ball 150-180 times and being very productive. Throw in a few more to FB/3rd RB, and I'd say about 280-290 for AP. At five yards per that's enough for over 1450 rushing. Keeping him in as a blocker on thirds could bring up his targets and receptions though.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

I guess I have a hard time accepting the "injury" label that Peterson has. That hit he took in the Packer game looked like he was out for the season - I don't know many backs that aren't injured on a hit like that. Yes, I would feel better if he played an entire season, but it wasn't like he tweaked an ankle and missed 3 games or anything.

 

[Interseptopus]

I guess I have a hard time accepting the "injury" label that Peterson has. That hit he took in the Packer game looked like he was out for the season - I don't know many backs that aren't injured on a hit like that. Yes, I would feel better if he played an entire season, but it wasn't like he tweaked an ankle and missed 3 games or anything.

I think you missed what I said about his injury:

I think one reason AP was healthy the majority of the season (minus a fluke injury with his knee- partially torn ligament), was because of Taylor.

I agree that most backs are injured on a play like that. But- I will be the devil's advocate on this one- AP put himself in that position to begin with. Another back may have been running with his shoulders square and lower, making the tackle more routine. Does Brett Favre have the most durable ligments of every other QB who came before him, or is it he knows how to fall gracefully; knows how to protect his body when getting tackled and not put it in a place for risk of injury. I won't hold the injury last year against AP. But I will say I won't forget about it.

It's not that his body is just brittle. It's certain players play with body positioning that is not condusive to staying healthy. Also certain guys do not know how to fall well and protect themselves. It's just simple neuromuscular science and proprioception- some guys have an easier time knowing where their body is in space and they avoid injuries as a result, and some do not.

I think AP will be injured this year. And with a potential for increased workload... I don't know. That kind of scares me if I'm an AP owner, but at the same time they're paying Chester a good sum of money and I know they aren't going to make him exclusively a backup RB. This may just be some talk, but in the end you'll see what they had last year. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I don't care if you have the MVP back there splitting carries with the #2 RB 70-30, switching the following season to giving him 90% of the carries isn't going to equal a 20% greater output. In fact, you may see his performance DECLINE as he's tired, taking more hits, and yes, beat up and injured.

EDIT:

Adding on. I will say that even without injury, we have to take into consideration the Sophomore Slump. Maroney, Bush, MJD, they all went through it. Teams have more film to judge the player on, and how their team uses that player. It's easier to defend. Take M. Vick for instance. His first year as starter he was unstoppable. After that teams figured out how to defend against his rushing abilities. Not saying AP will drop off the charts, but I think you may see his stats decline just a little. He'll still eventually (if not already) be the best in the game. But I think it's fair to say that he could experience a decline in performance this season

By no means am I saying avoid AP and don't take him with your draft pick if he comes to you. I'm just saying let's be realistic and look at this logically. This guy isn't the second coming in the football version. He is mortal. Let's not get TOO excited over him.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

I guess I have a hard time accepting the "injury" label that Peterson has. That hit he took in the Packer game looked like he was out for the season - I don't know many backs that aren't injured on a hit like that. Yes, I would feel better if he played an entire season, but it wasn't like he tweaked an ankle and missed 3 games or anything.

I think you missed what I said about his injury:

I think one reason AP was healthy the majority of the season (minus a fluke injury with his knee- partially torn ligament), was because of Taylor.

I agree that most backs are injured on a play like that. But- I will be the devil's advocate on this one- AP put himself in that position to begin with. Another back may have been running with his shoulders square and lower, making the tackle more routine. Does Brett Favre have the most durable ligments of every other QB who came before him, or is it he knows how to fall gracefully; knows how to protect his body when getting tackled and not put it in a place for risk of injury. I won't hold the injury last year against AP. But I will say I won't forget about it.

It's not that his body is just brittle. It's certain players play with body positioning that is not condusive to staying healthy. Also certain guys do not know how to fall well and protect themselves. It's just simple neuromuscular science and proprioception- some guys have an easier time knowing where their body is in space and they avoid injuries as a result, and some do not.

I think AP will be injured this year. And with a potential for increased workload... I don't know. That kind of scares me if I'm an AP owner, but at the same time they're paying Chester a good sum of money and I know they aren't going to make him exclusively a backup RB. This may just be some talk, but in the end you'll see what they had last year. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I don't care if you have the MVP back there splitting carries with the #2 RB 70-30, switching the following season to giving him 90% of the carries isn't going to equal a 20% greater output. In fact, you may see his performance DECLINE as he's tired, taking more hits, and yes, beat up and injured.

EDIT:

Adding on. I will say that even without injury, we have to take into consideration the Sophomore Slump. Maroney, Bush, MJD, they all went through it. Teams have more film to judge the player on, and how their team uses that player. It's easier to defend. Take M. Vick for instance. His first year as starter he was unstoppable. After that teams figured out how to defend against his rushing abilities. Not saying AP will drop off the charts, but I think you may see his stats decline just a little. He'll still eventually (if not already) be the best in the game. But I think it's fair to say that he could experience a decline in performance this season

By no means am I saying avoid AP and don't take him with your draft pick if he comes to you. I'm just saying let's be realistic and look at this logically. This guy isn't the second coming in the football version. He is mortal. Let's not get TOO excited over him.

I agree with what you say, and I wasn't referring just to your post, just feelings of Peterson in general.

 

[Silver & Black]

I think this is better news than you guys believe it is, especially David.

I think everyone will agree that Peterson is a special talent. However, I haven't seen one mock where he has gone #1 and have read about many experts ranking out of the top 5 because of a potential committee situation. With the exception of a series here or there to keep him fresh, I believe most of Peterson's detractors have indicated that Peterson won't be kept in on obvious passing downs and third downs.

That being said, hearing the coach talk about how he believes Peterson's pass blocking skills should improve so as to keep him on the field on third downs was perceived by me to be a very positive piece of news about ADP.

I'm not a number cruncher, but it sounds to me like Childress is going to try and keep ADP on the field as much as possible, including 3rd downs. Sure, Taylor will come in here and there to spell him and keep him fresh, but if true, I think this is very good news for Peterson and not just summer coach speak.