"Great" college QB (1 Viewer)

[Da Guru]

And lets just leave it at that.

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

And lets just leave it at that.

Will you say this in 5 years also about this guy? Terrelle Pryor

 

[CrossEyed]

Still a bit early to decide that's where it ends.

 

[Da Guru]

And lets just leave it at that.

Will you say this in 5 years also about this guy? Terrelle Pryor

Who knows..some guys are better suited for college than the pros. Vince seems to be one of them. The Titans defense has been playing great so he does not have to do much, but I am nor sure he can do much.

 

[SSOG]

Eh, he was no Tim Tebow...

 

[gianmarco]

How quickly we forget how well he did as a rookie last year. Granted, I don't think he looks as good as he did last year and there's reason for doubt, but the guy doesn't even have 2 full seasons under his belt and has literally NO weapons around him save an above average running game. That, and he's been hampered by injuries as well.

I don't know about you, but I will be withholding a judgement of "bust" for a little while longer. I can also say that he doesn't single handedly LOSE games like quite a few other struggling young QB's.

ETA--Compared to last year, his completion % is up, his YPA is up, and his QB rating is up. Again, I know his INT's are up as well and TD's are down, but there are signs that he is somewhat improving with limited help from his supporting cast.

 

[Da Guru]

How quickly we forget how well he did as a rookie last year. Granted, I don't think he looks as good as he did last year and there's reason for doubt, but the guy doesn't even have 2 full seasons under his belt and has literally NO weapons around him save an above average running game. That, and he's been hampered by injuries as well.I don't know about you, but I will be withholding a judgement of "bust" for a little while longer. I can also say that he doesn't single handedly LOSE games like quite a few other struggling young QB's.

The Titans are very good on the offensive and defensive lines..they control much of the game. I am not saying he is going to be a bust, but he really does not have to do anything for Tenn to stay in the game.Young was drafted high because of those game against Michigan and USC, he will not be that QB in the NFL. Nobody will.

 

[King of the Jungle]

His accuracy is terrible. He should be running more if they want to win this game.

 

[EBF]

The thing about Young is that he has never been a good PASSER and passing is what an NFL QB is ultimately paid to do. I think he has some upside and some great leadership qualities, but the idea that he has been good in the NFL is a myth. His QB rating as a rookie was 66.7. His QB rating this year was 71.1. That's Cleo Lemon/Tarvaris Jackson territory. Even perennial laughing stock Joey Harrington posted a 77.2 QB rating this season.

It's kind of unfair to compare Vince Young to Michael Vick, but...isn't he a lot like Michael Vick?

Different body type. Similar playing style and NFL impact.

 

[NeverEnough]

Vick #2

 

[Jack Burton]

VY will have his ups and downs early in his career until he puts it all together. I think he will wind up having a very productive NFL career.

 

[money.never.sleeps]

What's Vince Young's record as a starter in the NFL? Exactly. Boggles my mind how all he does is win ball games yet people say this & that about him in a negative light.

 

[awesomeness]

why was my post deleted?

 

[EBF]

What's Vince Young's record as a starter in the NFL? Exactly. Boggles my mind how all he does is win ball games yet people say this & that about him in a negative light.

Correlation vs. causation?Jeff Fisher might be the best coach in the NFL. I'd say having him on the sidelines automatically gives a team a chance to win most weeks. But this is not a good football team.

 

[caglassc]

Let the Titans build around Young (adding players, tweaking their offense, etc) and then let's see. Next season will be a very, very important one for Young and the Titans.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Don't forget he played injured today.

 

[RaiderBones]

What's Vince Young's record as a starter in the NFL? Exactly. Boggles my mind how all he does is win ball games yet people say this & that about him in a negative light.

I would disagree here. The Titans defense and running game wins games not Vince Young.Edited to add that I'm not saying Vince Young won't be a good QB and weapons added to the WR position will help alot but lets give credit were credit is due. I think the defense and the running game deserves most of the credit for the Titans wins.

 

[TxBuckeye]

What's Vince Young's record as a starter in the NFL? Exactly. Boggles my mind how all he does is win ball games yet people say this & that about him in a negative light.

I thought it was a team sport!?!

 

[FavreCo]

What's Vince Young's record as a starter in the NFL? Exactly. Boggles my mind how all he does is win ball games yet people say this & that about him in a negative light.

I would disagree here. The Titans defense and running game wins games not Vince Young.

Exactly. He's a game manager.

 

[Buckna]

What's Vince Young's record as a starter in the NFL? Exactly. Boggles my mind how all he does is win ball games yet people say this & that about him in a negative light.

I remember this argument being made all time in defense of Vick in his first few seasons. People on both sides of an argument often forget football is a team sport and looking at W/L record is an over-simplification.

 

[ninerfanatic492000]

What's Vince Young's record as a starter in the NFL? Exactly. Boggles my mind how all he does is win ball games yet people say this & that about him in a negative light.

well there is a difference than your team winning and 'you' being the reason they are winning. vince isn't the reason they have won many of those games. vince has had more direct effects in the losing then he has had winning. and if i use your logic then the Bears shouldn't look to replace Orton/Grossman as both have pretty good winning percentages as well. Rex even took the Bears to a Super Bowl-he won those games to get them there right- he's awesome(LMAO)

 

[money.never.sleeps]

What's Vince Young's record as a starter in the NFL? Exactly. Boggles my mind how all he does is win ball games yet people say this & that about him in a negative light.

I remember this argument being made all time in defense of Vick in his first few seasons. People on both sides of an argument often forget football is a team sport and looking at W/L record is an over-simplification.

True, so why is this a discussion bashing Vince Young when the TEAM is winning and has done nothing but WIN when he has been QB there? And in response to above statement... If you recall last year Vince Young single handedly WON games late in the 4th when Tennessee had no business winning.

 

[FavreCo]

VY has no one to throw the football to. Roydell Williams is the best WR on that team and he was out today.

I was waiting for this one. Same excuse Vick supporters gave. Then the year that Vick is nowhere to be found, Roddy White goes for 1000 yards and has his career year. There is no coincidence. Just like Vick did in ATL, Young makes the WR look worse than they really are.

 

[menobrown]

VY had the worse group of WR's in the NFL and Lendale White was not striking fear in opposing defenses either. If the Titans will get him some help he'll build on what he did as a rookie.

 

[Brewzers]

VY has no one to throw the football to. Roydell Williams is the best WR on that team and he was out today.

I was waiting for this one. Same excuse Vick supporters gave. Then the year that Vick is nowhere to be found, Roddy White goes for 1000 yards and has his career year. There is no coincidence. Just like Vick did in ATL, Young makes the WR look worse than they really are.

VY & Vick are different type of QBs, why is that so hard to see? Roddy White is a good pedigree round 1 pick, he should be getting his 1000 yds/season. Roydell and Gage are round 4 and 5 after thoughts. Give VY some real WRs and lets just see what happens before final judgements are made.

 

[SSOG]

It's kind of unfair to compare Vince Young to Michael Vick, but...isn't he a lot like Michael Vick?Different body type. Similar playing style and NFL impact.

The one problem with the Vick comparison is the 2002 season, when Vick averaged 7 yards per attempt and posted an 81.6 QB rating and a 2:1 TD:INT ratio in just his second year in the league. The problem for Vick is that he had three true strengths- a cannon arm, reasonable downfield accuracy, and an ability to make defenses pay with his legs when they don't keep enough men around the LoS. In 2002, he played in a system designed to emphasise that strength- a system predicated on passing deep if defenses played up against the run or running if defenses played back to defend the deep ball. The next time he was healthy, he was playing in an offense predicated on the short passing game, an offense designed to take advantage of players with great accuracy, quick decision-making skills, a throw-first mentality, and who don't care if defenders get clustered around the LoS. Basically, the exact opposite of Vick's skillset. They should make an instructional video of Mora's decision to install the WCO in Atlanta and title it "how to NOT fit your scheme to your personnel 101". Prior to that, Vick was actually showing flashes of being a serviceable passer at the NFL level... and with running skills like that, serviceable is plenty good enough to be a legit NFL QB. If Vick had Reeves for his entire career, I think we'd have a far different opinion of him right now.As far as Vince Young "just winning football games", Young has a lower career winning percentage than Kyle Orton. I rest my case.

 

[FUBAR]

VY has no one to throw the football to. Roydell Williams is the best WR on that team and he was out today.

I was waiting for this one. Same excuse Vick supporters gave. Then the year that Vick is nowhere to be found, Roddy White goes for 1000 yards and has his career year. There is no coincidence. Just like Vick did in ATL, Young makes the WR look worse than they really are.

Interesting, yet while Atlanta invested 1st round picks in WRs, Young has made Justin Gage look like a halfway decent WR, doubling his previous highs. Some would say Young makes Gage look better than he is. Roydell is ok, Moulds is well past being a good WR, and Brandon Jones can't stay healthy. None of these would be good anywhere.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

How quickly we forget how well he did as a rookie last year. Granted, I don't think he looks as good as he did last year and there's reason for doubt, but the guy doesn't even have 2 full seasons under his belt and has literally NO weapons around him save an above average running game. That, and he's been hampered by injuries as well.I don't know about you, but I will be withholding a judgement of "bust" for a little while longer. I can also say that he doesn't single handedly LOSE games like quite a few other struggling young QB's.

The Titans are very good on the offensive and defensive lines..they control much of the game. I am not saying he is going to be a bust, but he really does not have to do anything for Tenn to stay in the game.Young was drafted high because of those game against Michigan and USC, he will not be that QB in the NFL. Nobody will.

Were they very good on the OL today?

 

[the hairy scotsman]

VY has no one to throw the football to. Roydell Williams is the best WR on that team and he was out today.

I was waiting for this one. Same excuse Vick supporters gave. Then the year that Vick is nowhere to be found, Roddy White goes for 1000 yards and has his career year. There is no coincidence. Just like Vick did in ATL, Young makes the WR look worse than they really are.

VY & Vick are different type of QBs, why is that so hard to see? Roddy White is a good pedigree round 1 pick, he should be getting his 1000 yds/season. Roydell and Gage are round 4 and 5 after thoughts. Give VY some real WRs and lets just see what happens before final judgements are made.

I'm sure Young would love to have Roddy White to throw to. Def asubstantial upgrade.Also, losing Chow would be addition by subtraction.

 

[bcr8f]

And lets just leave it at that.

And getting rid of every WR was a good move.

 

[FavreCo]

VY has no one to throw the football to. Roydell Williams is the best WR on that team and he was out today.

I was waiting for this one. Same excuse Vick supporters gave. Then the year that Vick is nowhere to be found, Roddy White goes for 1000 yards and has his career year. There is no coincidence. Just like Vick did in ATL, Young makes the WR look worse than they really are.

VY & Vick are different type of QBs, why is that so hard to see? Roddy White is a good pedigree round 1 pick, he should be getting his 1000 yds/season. Roydell and Gage are round 4 and 5 after thoughts. Give VY some real WRs and lets just see what happens before final judgements are made.

I'm sure Young would love to have Roddy White to throw to. Def asubstantial upgrade.

I know he would. On that note, Roddy White would love for Vince Young to stay as far away from him as possible.Also, Roydell Williams is a very good WR. Just because someone is a 4th or 5th rounder, they are not top of the line (Brandon Marshall)? I would love to have Williams on my fantasy team but he has no QB.

 

[EBF]

It's kind of unfair to compare Vince Young to Michael Vick, but...isn't he a lot like Michael Vick?Different body type. Similar playing style and NFL impact.

The one problem with the Vick comparison is the 2002 season, when Vick averaged 7 yards per attempt and posted an 81.6 QB rating and a 2:1 TD:INT ratio in just his second year in the league. The problem for Vick is that he had three true strengths- a cannon arm, reasonable downfield accuracy, and an ability to make defenses pay with his legs when they don't keep enough men around the LoS. In 2002, he played in a system designed to emphasise that strength- a system predicated on passing deep if defenses played up against the run or running if defenses played back to defend the deep ball. The next time he was healthy, he was playing in an offense predicated on the short passing game, an offense designed to take advantage of players with great accuracy, quick decision-making skills, a throw-first mentality, and who don't care if defenders get clustered around the LoS. Basically, the exact opposite of Vick's skillset. They should make an instructional video of Mora's decision to install the WCO in Atlanta and title it "how to NOT fit your scheme to your personnel 101". Prior to that, Vick was actually showing flashes of being a serviceable passer at the NFL level... and with running skills like that, serviceable is plenty good enough to be a legit NFL QB. If Vick had Reeves for his entire career, I think we'd have a far different opinion of him right now.As far as Vince Young "just winning football games", Young has a lower career winning percentage than Kyle Orton. I rest my case.

I just remember all of the offseason VY hype this past year and how eerily similar it was to the Vick hype after Vick's first season as a starter. Let's all remember that in the NFL, a quarterback is someone who THROWS THE FOOTBALL. When you look at the passing numbers, Cutler is clearly the top QB from that draft class.

 

[money.never.sleeps]

It's kind of unfair to compare Vince Young to Michael Vick, but...isn't he a lot like Michael Vick?Different body type. Similar playing style and NFL impact.

The one problem with the Vick comparison is the 2002 season, when Vick averaged 7 yards per attempt and posted an 81.6 QB rating and a 2:1 TD:INT ratio in just his second year in the league. The problem for Vick is that he had three true strengths- a cannon arm, reasonable downfield accuracy, and an ability to make defenses pay with his legs when they don't keep enough men around the LoS. In 2002, he played in a system designed to emphasise that strength- a system predicated on passing deep if defenses played up against the run or running if defenses played back to defend the deep ball. The next time he was healthy, he was playing in an offense predicated on the short passing game, an offense designed to take advantage of players with great accuracy, quick decision-making skills, a throw-first mentality, and who don't care if defenders get clustered around the LoS. Basically, the exact opposite of Vick's skillset. They should make an instructional video of Mora's decision to install the WCO in Atlanta and title it "how to NOT fit your scheme to your personnel 101". Prior to that, Vick was actually showing flashes of being a serviceable passer at the NFL level... and with running skills like that, serviceable is plenty good enough to be a legit NFL QB. If Vick had Reeves for his entire career, I think we'd have a far different opinion of him right now.As far as Vince Young "just winning football games", Young has a lower career winning percentage than Kyle Orton. I rest my case.

I just remember all of the offseason VY hype this past year and how eerily similar it was to the Vick hype after Vick's first season as a starter. Let's all remember than in the NFL, a quarterback is someone who THROWS THE FOOTBALL. When you look at the passing numbers, Cutler is clearly the top QB from that draft class.

WRONG... A QB is someone who LEADS the Offensive Unit.

 

[EBF]

It's kind of unfair to compare Vince Young to Michael Vick, but...isn't he a lot like Michael Vick?Different body type. Similar playing style and NFL impact.

The one problem with the Vick comparison is the 2002 season, when Vick averaged 7 yards per attempt and posted an 81.6 QB rating and a 2:1 TD:INT ratio in just his second year in the league. The problem for Vick is that he had three true strengths- a cannon arm, reasonable downfield accuracy, and an ability to make defenses pay with his legs when they don't keep enough men around the LoS. In 2002, he played in a system designed to emphasise that strength- a system predicated on passing deep if defenses played up against the run or running if defenses played back to defend the deep ball. The next time he was healthy, he was playing in an offense predicated on the short passing game, an offense designed to take advantage of players with great accuracy, quick decision-making skills, a throw-first mentality, and who don't care if defenders get clustered around the LoS. Basically, the exact opposite of Vick's skillset. They should make an instructional video of Mora's decision to install the WCO in Atlanta and title it "how to NOT fit your scheme to your personnel 101". Prior to that, Vick was actually showing flashes of being a serviceable passer at the NFL level... and with running skills like that, serviceable is plenty good enough to be a legit NFL QB. If Vick had Reeves for his entire career, I think we'd have a far different opinion of him right now.As far as Vince Young "just winning football games", Young has a lower career winning percentage than Kyle Orton. I rest my case.

I just remember all of the offseason VY hype this past year and how eerily similar it was to the Vick hype after Vick's first season as a starter. Let's all remember than in the NFL, a quarterback is someone who THROWS THE FOOTBALL. When you look at the passing numbers, Cutler is clearly the top QB from that draft class.

WRONG... A QB is someone who LEADS the Offensive Unit.

And that's something Vince Young hasn't been very good at. The Titans were in the bottom third of the league in points scored and appear to be utterly incapable of coming back from any more than a one possession deficit to win a football game.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

VY has no one to throw the football to. Roydell Williams is the best WR on that team and he was out today.

I was waiting for this one. Same excuse Vick supporters gave. Then the year that Vick is nowhere to be found, Roddy White goes for 1000 yards and has his career year. There is no coincidence. Just like Vick did in ATL, Young makes the WR look worse than they really are.

VY & Vick are different type of QBs, why is that so hard to see? Roddy White is a good pedigree round 1 pick, he should be getting his 1000 yds/season. Roydell and Gage are round 4 and 5 after thoughts. Give VY some real WRs and lets just see what happens before final judgements are made.

I'm sure Young would love to have Roddy White to throw to. Def asubstantial upgrade.

I know he would. On that note, Roddy White would love for Vince Young to stay as far away from him as possible.Also, Roydell Williams is a very good WR. Just because someone is a 4th or 5th rounder, they are not top of the line (Brandon Marshall)? I would love to have Williams on my fantasy team but he has no QB.

Roydell is an NFL wr, but I wouldn't say he's a "very good" NFL wr. On most teams, he'd be a 3, 4, or 5. Also, his best year as a pro was this year. His other seasons haven't even come close.Face it. The Titans don't have even one wr that any other team would even loosely term "go to".

 

[sho nuff]

His accuracy is terrible. He should be running more if they want to win this game.

Kind of hard with his Quad messed up.And accuracy looked fine on the touch pass to Troupe down the sidelines.He is young...still learning. His biggest weapon is his legs of course...and most of this year, I just don't think he had the health for his bigger runs as he had last year. That and defenses are scheming against him better.

 

[sho nuff]

The thing about Young is that he has never been a good PASSER and passing is what an NFL QB is ultimately paid to do. I think he has some upside and some great leadership qualities, but the idea that he has been good in the NFL is a myth. His QB rating as a rookie was 66.7. His QB rating this year was 71.1. That's Cleo Lemon/Tarvaris Jackson territory. Even perennial laughing stock Joey Harrington posted a 77.2 QB rating this season. It's kind of unfair to compare Vince Young to Michael Vick, but...isn't he a lot like Michael Vick?Different body type. Similar playing style and NFL impact.

I don't think you ever saw him in college if you think he was never a good passer.

 

[sho nuff]

VY has no one to throw the football to. Roydell Williams is the best WR on that team and he was out today.

I was waiting for this one. Same excuse Vick supporters gave. Then the year that Vick is nowhere to be found, Roddy White goes for 1000 yards and has his career year. There is no coincidence. Just like Vick did in ATL, Young makes the WR look worse than they really are.

Do you know who Young had out there today though?He lost 2 of his biggest targets this year (guys who were pretty average anyway)...both Scaife and Williams were out.Or is Gage scaring alot of people? Ben Troupe? Eric Moulds? Mike freakin Williams?

 

[sho nuff]

VY has no one to throw the football to. Roydell Williams is the best WR on that team and he was out today.

I was waiting for this one. Same excuse Vick supporters gave. Then the year that Vick is nowhere to be found, Roddy White goes for 1000 yards and has his career year. There is no coincidence. Just like Vick did in ATL, Young makes the WR look worse than they really are.

VY & Vick are different type of QBs, why is that so hard to see? Roddy White is a good pedigree round 1 pick, he should be getting his 1000 yds/season. Roydell and Gage are round 4 and 5 after thoughts. Give VY some real WRs and lets just see what happens before final judgements are made.

I'm sure Young would love to have Roddy White to throw to. Def asubstantial upgrade.

I know he would. On that note, Roddy White would love for Vince Young to stay as far away from him as possible.Also, Roydell Williams is a very good WR. Just because someone is a 4th or 5th rounder, they are not top of the line (Brandon Marshall)? I would love to have Williams on my fantasy team but he has no QB.

Why would Roddy want him far away? He hates having playmakers throw him the ball?Roydell is a decent WR...but he was out today. Which was part of the point this year.And Roydell is not even close to as talented as Brandon Marshall.

 

[SSOG]

The thing about Young is that he has never been a good PASSER and passing is what an NFL QB is ultimately paid to do. I think he has some upside and some great leadership qualities, but the idea that he has been good in the NFL is a myth. His QB rating as a rookie was 66.7. His QB rating this year was 71.1. That's Cleo Lemon/Tarvaris Jackson territory. Even perennial laughing stock Joey Harrington posted a 77.2 QB rating this season. It's kind of unfair to compare Vince Young to Michael Vick, but...isn't he a lot like Michael Vick?Different body type. Similar playing style and NFL impact.

I don't think you ever saw him in college if you think he was never a good passer.

Putting up good passing numbers != being a good passer. Young never had to make reads, and his mechanics were never any good, which might work in college, but which doesn't fly in the pros.

 

[SSOG]

Do you know who Young had out there today though?He lost 2 of his biggest targets this year (guys who were pretty average anyway)...both Scaife and Williams were out.Or is Gage scaring alot of people? Ben Troupe? Eric Moulds? Mike freakin Williams?

Someone argued that Roddy's a good target because he was a first rounder. Well, Troupe was a 2nd rounder who many graded out as a first, and BMW was a top-10 pick. Just something to consider if we're going to rate how good a player should be based on where they were drafted.

 

[Phlash]

People are forgetting that this guy is improving as a passer, like he did every year in college. His yards/attempt went up from 6.2 to 6.7, an increase of a half of a yard per attempt. His completion percentage went from 51.3% to 62.3%, a mind boggling increase of 11.2%! His INTs were up, and TDs were down, but he's putting up the numbers of a young McNair rather than the number of a young Vick. He almost went to the playoffs last year, and DID go to the playoffs this year. If he ups his TDs and lowers his INTs next year, we're talking about the next McNabb/McNair rather than the next Vick.

Guy has a bright future ahead of him, thats for sure.

 

[FavreCo]

Roydell is an NFL wr, but I wouldn't say he's a "very good" NFL wr. On most teams, he'd be a 3, 4, or 5. Also, his best year as a pro was this year. His other seasons haven't even come close.Face it. The Titans don't have even one wr that any other team would even loosely term "go to".

Right...because he doesn't have an NFL QB. Same was said about Roddy White.Now as far as WRs, someone said the Titan crew was the worst. There are none worse than Minnesota, followed closely SF.

 

[Phurfur]

I think he has real potential as an NFL QB. I like what I saw out of a 2nd year QB today. No he is not great now but few QB are at this stage. If I were Tenn I would be happy with his progress.

 

[Colin Dowling]

1/ He needs to run more.

2. They need a true deep threat. The WRs are not of that cut.

 

[Phurfur]

1/ He needs to run more.

2. They need a true deep threat. The WRs are not of that cut.

No, he needs to do what he is doing, pass first and run second. Running QBs have a short life in the NFL if they aren't great passers. If he continues to develop his passing game he could be around for a long time.

 

[sho nuff]

The thing about Young is that he has never been a good PASSER and passing is what an NFL QB is ultimately paid to do. I think he has some upside and some great leadership qualities, but the idea that he has been good in the NFL is a myth. His QB rating as a rookie was 66.7. His QB rating this year was 71.1. That's Cleo Lemon/Tarvaris Jackson territory. Even perennial laughing stock Joey Harrington posted a 77.2 QB rating this season. It's kind of unfair to compare Vince Young to Michael Vick, but...isn't he a lot like Michael Vick?Different body type. Similar playing style and NFL impact.

I don't think you ever saw him in college if you think he was never a good passer.

Putting up good passing numbers != being a good passer. Young never had to make reads, and his mechanics were never any good, which might work in college, but which doesn't fly in the pros.

But he was a good passer...he did make some reads.Mechanics are not everything.Favre's mechanics are still terrible.

 

[sho nuff]

Do you know who Young had out there today though?He lost 2 of his biggest targets this year (guys who were pretty average anyway)...both Scaife and Williams were out.Or is Gage scaring alot of people? Ben Troupe? Eric Moulds? Mike freakin Williams?

Someone argued that Roddy's a good target because he was a first rounder. Well, Troupe was a 2nd rounder who many graded out as a first, and BMW was a top-10 pick. Just something to consider if we're going to rate how good a player should be based on where they were drafted.

Agreed...but I think everyone here can agree that Troup and Fat Mike have been busts.And both were busts before being around Vince Young.

 

[Brewzers]

Do you know who Young had out there today though?He lost 2 of his biggest targets this year (guys who were pretty average anyway)...both Scaife and Williams were out.Or is Gage scaring alot of people? Ben Troupe? Eric Moulds? Mike freakin Williams?

Someone argued that Roddy's a good target because he was a first rounder. Well, Troupe was a 2nd rounder who many graded out as a first, and BMW was a top-10 pick. Just something to consider if we're going to rate how good a player should be based on where they were drafted.

Hmmm, I'm not going to argue whether or not VY is a good NFL QB, because I don't know. The reason I don't know is I haven't seen what he can do with a worthwhile WR crew. Week 17, I saw Jay Cutler throw a god awful pass into double coverage, however, Brandon Marshall physically out manuevered the defenders and caught the ill thrown ball. I think Jay Cutler is going to be a good QB, but on that play BM made him better than what he was. VY doesn't have anyone who can do that.

 

[sho nuff]

Roydell is an NFL wr, but I wouldn't say he's a "very good" NFL wr. On most teams, he'd be a 3, 4, or 5. Also, his best year as a pro was this year. His other seasons haven't even come close.Face it. The Titans don't have even one wr that any other team would even loosely term "go to".

Right...because he doesn't have an NFL QB. Same was said about Roddy White.Now as far as WRs, someone said the Titan crew was the worst. There are none worse than Minnesota, followed closely SF.

Id put Minny's about on part with the Titans WRs.San Frans...might be a step up from both.Quit with this, he does not have an NFL QB...saying he would be a 3, 4, or 5 on most teams takes that into account they have NFL QBs doesnt it.Roydell would get cut from the Packers...and may not make several other squads.